3 Easy Wins - Soundproofing a Workshop Wall [video 469]
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- The workshop makeover continues, and in these related videos I’ll be going through three easy things you can do to improve your workshop. In this #workshop #improvement video I’ll be opening up the wall between me and my lovely neighbours to add a bit of #soundproofing to keep their sounds out, and my sounds in. Enjoy!
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“Really has made the world of difference” he says whilst wearing hearing protection lol 😂
Yep, that’s the joke! 😂😂
Well... soundproofing is not the same as acoustic treatment :)
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Sound technician here:
To soundproof, you need the structure to be first and foremost AIR TIGHT. Because sound is a propagation of air molecules. After that you need the structure to be DENSE so that moving air can't vibrate the structure (transfer of momentum) and the vibrating structure can't then vibrate the air at the other side of the structure that defeats the air tightness.
And thirdly in the order of importance, you want the structure to e comprised of different densities of materials because every change in density means a change in impedance and that causes reflections and less of the sound energy can continue onwards.
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Resilient bars might have helped?
Made me giggle when you said “it has made a world of difference” while wearing earmuffs. Looked for a second like you forgot to take them off and thought it was rather quiet lol.
Thanks for this. I can appreciate your journey
Hope you plugged up the key hole mate 🤣
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Come on, people! We're talking about what is practically available to modify Victorian London terraces, not about how we'd start from scratch in a new build. I'm grateful for this, and so will my neighbours be. Eventually... Thanks Peter.
You must have been tempted to open that door! I don't know if I could have resisted the temptation lol
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I hope you showed your neighbour the great party wall you two had 😲
😂 Party in every sense! 🎉🥳🍾
Being air tight is an important factor. Also de-coupling structures to stop vibrations from traveling. Mounting the boards with silicone adhesive would be better than screws. there were also quite a few holes in the mdf which is exactly where the noise will get through.
Yes! If that middle layer was suspended and a different density would help terminate transmission
A sound expert I spoke to years ago, suggested that it wasn't simply density, but the changes in density which interrupts the sound wave over and over. So the more layers and changes in material the better. Looks like you have achieved that here! Looking good too!
Thanks! 👍
@@rimmersbryggeri oh I’m sure it is, this was entirely anecdotal, was just an interesting take, I thought.
Never know what you will find behind shared walls! I hope your neighbors notice a difference but just knowing you made it better is worth it.
Hope so too! 😂👍
Great video as usual. If I had to be stubborn, I would've loved to hear a before/after recording of what it sounds like from the neighbour's side, but of course we don't want to needlessly inconvenience them while they're sewing away making costumes for Othello!
That would have been good, but they weren’t in when I started! 🤷♂️👍
Three videos in one! This pack of biscuits dont stand a chance.
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Talk to your friend Gosforth Handyman, he is soundproofing his new house.
Thank you for the video I have a crybaby neighbor myself
Just did a boiler cabinet and lined it with MLV. Cuts and staples easily;killed every noise above 100Hz and client slept happily with only low rumble.
Nice! 👌👍
Hi Peter
great video mate just hope you told your neighbours what you were doing before you started the job just keep in their good books lol 🤪🤪👍
Thanks Carl - and yes, I mentioned it to them! 😂😂
Great vid Peter, you made me chuckle with the theatrical costume description. Cheers
Thanks! I know! I realised as I was saying that it was kinda stating the obvious! 😂😂
It always amazes me what we find when opening up floor or wall voids, where previous .... trades .... have work, ... nice belt and braces job on the Pete.... 👍👍
Cheers Dan! 👍
In the U.S. we have a product called Quiet Rock it's a drywall that stops sound as much as 5 sheets of 5/8 drywall. I've used it and it really effective. Prior to that we used 2 sheets of 5/8 drywall with a sheet of soundboard between.
The 5 sheets equivalent might be their claim, but unless the board is 5 times as dense (therefore 5 times as heavy for the same size) it's trying to defy physics. I'm a member of a few acoustics and studio build facebook groups and it's commonly been reported by professionals that those more expensive drywall prodycts are no more effective than thicker, regular drywall at a much lower price.
OK - I just looked up what QuietRock is made of. It is 2 sheets of drywall with one thin layer of damping material between. Yet it's 7 times more expensive than drywall.
The cheap way of achieving the same thing is to instal one layer of drywall, then use a similar damping layer like deadsheet on top, then another layer of drywall with offset joins to the first layer. That's far cheaper. And you can then increase the sound proofing with yet another drywall layer and still be cheaper.
Another advantage of this is also that you overlay the joins, thus insuring no week points. With one layer of Quietrock, you dont get that advantage.
Real studio designers have always used general consturction materials for pro builds. Occasionally you'll find some use of dissimilar layers like honeycomb glassfibre panels to lesson transferable resonances too, only occasionally though.
Wow, 3 videos today, we are spoiled 👍, it made me chuckle when you stretched to cut that sheet of MDF 😂.
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Hi Peter, a chat with Andy Mac might have been useful. He knows a thing or two about acoustics and insulation.
Hi Steve. Did you really think I didn’t?
Just been catching up on this year's Goodwood Revival where the A40s were great fun to watch, harrying the more powerful Jags and Yanks.
Mine would have been just as entertaining, but for different reasons! 😂😂
Woah! Three uploads at once! Nice. :-)
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Above these you used I used one layer of sound insulation rubber sheet 0.5mm thick, towards the inside of shop as last layer. It reduced inner 90 dB of circular saw noise to 30 dB outside including environmental nature noises. Only problematic part was I could not solve is the windows.
That’s impressive! 👍
Door was really funny.
Three videos all at once? You cannot do this to us! I don't know what to do with myself now 😱
But yay, we are being spoiled!
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I'm expecting 3 videos / week from now on :D
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I’m with you on the mask wearing for glass strand, but ear protectors for paint rolling is definitely overkill!
It was a loud roller! 😂
@@10MinuteWorkshop I thought the only sound from a roller was the ticking of the clock! ;)
Love this stuff!
I thought you would have needed to use 2 layers of fire rated plasterboard to give adequate protection to both yourself and your neighbor in the event of a fire breaking out in either premises ? (Excellent videos, always enjoy them... Keep up the good work !)
In which case it didn’t comply in the first place. 🤷♂️ And thanks! 👍
Hardiebacker board is also a good option because of its density.
Great idea, thanks! 👍
Thank you : )
Fiberglass insulation is used by many for noise attenuation, which is entirely a waste of money. It has nowhere near the the needed density. The intumescent fire caulk is also a poor soundproofing agent, but a good adhesive. It's designed to swell when heated in a fire to seal off air passages which would let the fire migrate through a wall, generally used at plumbing penetrations. Noiseproofing compounds like Green Glue work far better. Applied to the surface of the stud, creating a vibration barrier (sound). Sound attenuation is all about vibration isolation. Dense materials work well if the layers are isolated rather than secured directly forming a bridge, like a stud will do. A dual wall as you have is also a good solution.
"Fiberglass insulation is used by many for noise attenuation, which is entirely a waste of money. It has nowhere near the the needed density." What would you personally recommend in place of fiberglass? Perhaps something like rockwool?
Great video, thanks
Thanks! 👍
If you don't need fire rated sealant, any cheap acrylic sealant will do to soundproof. It's about airtightness not specialist sealants
Mass loaded vinyl is a great product for something like this BUT it is amazing how much sound will travel through the slab and there really isn't much you can do about that in your case.
Yep, short of bricking it up! 🤷♂️👍
Given the pattern of the stud work/battens and all the mdf pieces, I’m surprised you didn’t go for a Mondrian inspired look to the finished wall. 😃
😂😂 It crossed my mind! 😆
How would you rate the Trend mask you're using in this video?
Very good - th-cam.com/video/x80cm9Dv9Qw/w-d-xo.html 👍
Forgot to ask in my previous comment regarding your shop space. Do you own your shop space or do you rent/lease your shop space? When I began watching your videos, I thought you were working in your garage at your home but after seeing this video, I realized that you are working in a shop space. I have seen other videos on TH-cam where people work in shop space units. I live in Texas in the USA and we don’t have any shop space like those so I just found it very interesting.
Thanks! It’s a small rented commercial space - really rare to find them anywhere, really, and I know I is’m incredibly fortunate to have this space across the street from where I live! 👍👍
No doubt you talked to Andy Mac about this .👍
Well, I watched a couple of his vids… 😂
I'd have overboarded with two layers of plasterboard rather than the mdf. It's probably more dense and cheaper. You could've gone the whole 9 yards and resiliently mounted them but that all costs.
Would've been good to test the partition before and after too.
2 layers of plasterboard would be thicker than the rest of the wall. 🤷♂️
Hadir lagi kawan 👍
Interesting video Peter, looks like that bit of wall had been previously soundproofed as well or was that just meant to be temperature insulation?
The old Austins had their moments, but were no where near as bad as the cars from France and Italy, at least here in Oz. Bad memories of a Fiat Bulldozer, 20 odd bolts hold a protection plate on, all look similar so throw them in a pile and get on with it. Find that none of the bolts have the same thread, so what seems like days at the time, trying each bolt and hoping the ones that seem to fit are not secretly stripping as I wind them in, oh and did I mention it was 110 degrees in the shade with no shade and high humidity - a typical Queensland Summer's day.
Thanks Bob! It would have been mostly for heat insulation - there’s no official heating in these units - though I’m sure it did something for sound insulation - just not enough! My A40 was from the 60s originally - not the happiest of times from the British motor industry, though arguably better than the 70s! That Fiat sounds a nightmare - I had my fair share of questionable Fiats and Alfas in the ‘80s - I learned a lot, mostly about not touching Italian cars again for a king ling time! Hope you’re well Bob. All best, Peter.
I would have thought that the original insulation was intended as some sort of sound insulation.
If so it did a lousy job! 🤷♂️
I think the people who closed up that doorway must have been the same people who worked on my house. They literally took the door handle off, nailed the door shut and then wallpapered over it. Good fix though Peter, the only thing better would be to brick it up but I doubt they want you to do that.
Thanks! Yes, exactly that - rented workspace, whatever gets done needs to be easily returned to the original state. 👍👍
Good job, would getting a bricky for half a day with £100 of concrete commons or high density blocks would have added a lot more density. If you has got next door involved maybe you could have split the cost and may have appreciated the upgrade
Rented commercial property, no way I could make a permanent change like that without much consultation with the landlords. 🤷♂️
Not supprised its made a difference, What's the noise like when you take your ear defenders off 😂
Like the seashore! 😂
@@10MinuteWorkshop Any sea shells?
I enjoy watching your videos and I subscribed to your channel several months ago. As I watched the video and when you removed the wall, I was surprised to see that door between your shop and your neighbor’s. I was wondering if that was normal for that to be that way or if the door might have been put in after the wall that you removed had been placed there. At first, I thought you were going to use some foam insulation but I saw that you used MDF instead which is very cool since it is much more dense than the foam insulation and thus would dampen the noise better. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! Yes, the door was a complete surprise! 😂👍
Problem is, your ceiling captures a lot of the (machine) noise and transmits it to the other side too.
Is this the first video where you use ordinary not MR MDF Peter, could be a TH-cam first ?
I’ve heard that you need a physical air gap as well, in effect a stand-alone separate wall with no bridging at all to prevent noise transmitting through the wooden frame. Difficult to do with an existing stud wall I guess, and I don’t know how much difference it actually would make.
I think it probably is - certainly the first time I’ve used non-MR in a long long time! 👍
I don’t want to panic you but is that not a fire exit!?
No! It’s been a wall ever since I moved in, and probably before! 😂👍
A fire exit into someone else’s house? I don’t think so Tim.
Was the roller that noisy lol
Yep! 😂😂
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I don't think that I could have resisted knocking on the revealed door to confuse the neighbours.
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@@10MinuteWorkshop No, need to be more inventive than that, think Simpsons and little Timmy O'Toole: "Can anybody hear me? I got stuck in a wall.". Sting can lead a celebrity song to raise money. and send love to the wall. Or more appropriately Roger Waters can.
Fire door to Narnia.
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just wondering why you had ear defenders on whilst painting? 😂
My question exactly!
I fear you may have missed the joke… 😆😂
Didn't you know that paint can damage your hearing?
I know this is OCD but I'd of had the skim joint under the mft😳 not sure about the American style images to promote , otherwise great content.👍🏾
American style images?? 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop You know the ones, were you have your face up to the camera open mouthed. Some have a headline I'm quitting and when you watch they are just off on holiday images. Thumbnail ! that's the fella thumbnail.
very amused to hear you saying that it had made a world of difference, while wearing ear protection. I'm sure it did but still funny.
Yeah, that was the joke, actually… 😬😂👍
Does it work well without the Ear defenders 🤣🤣
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Can’t fool me…..!
But nearly did…..
Those noisy theatrical seamstresses and tailors are clearly still making a racket if after sound insulation you still need to wear the 3M ear cans!
Gosh….!
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A window in the door would have looked nice.
Not for my neighbours! 😂
3 uploads? What's going on? Has reality collapsed?
Sometimes you just have to get it all out there! 🤷♂️😂
I suspected the multiverse is colliding with our reality....
Ah well, we can always use more Peter Millard in this universe.
How tempted were you to knock on that door and wind up the neighbours, Peter? 😃
Very! 😂😂
Please let your neighbours know what you've done or they may think they're losing their hearing!
😂😂 All done!
Acoustic caulk??? What is this you speak of? Sounds silly to me. I've used plenty of fire caulk (Hilti) but never heard of the other. What could possibly be the difference?
You don't have to answer this. Just spouting off, really.
I’ll tell you the difference - £5 a tube! 😂😂
Sexy or not , it's very important , so thank you
Thanks! 👍
Sound is important... try to speak with no sound.... oh I have to buy some fish for dinner.... 😜🤣😂🤣👍👍👍🤗🇨🇭
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