Speaking of which, he can't trianglate the base for obvious reasons, but if that shifts evens little bit that door will jam. A solid whack in just the wrong spot might do the trick, esp years from now. Even a little trianglation would help. A LVL beam about twice the length of the studio between the rafters and the top of your studio would work. You should have a plan and preparations for forcing that door from the inside. Remember that if you have to force it, the door may be all that is holding it up so anything heavy in there should be on the floor or solidly attached.
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I was thinking the same thing, that office is gonna be really hot, he needs some type of AC and ventilation inside, specially if he's planning on running a bunch of electronic equipment.
@@BlueBaeChai Actually, since its from his own breath it actually is Carbon dioxide poisoning (that exist too, but the effects are rather different from monoxide). Carbon monoxide poisoning will you get from combustion, like engine exhausts or from a fireplace if the chimney doesen't work properly.
Cool project and i like your instructional style! Watch out for vapor! Breathing in a sealed system with no ventilation (is it hot there?) will cause vapor to build up pretty quickly on the interior surfaces. All your computers will add heat too. Maybe add a vent fan to the top using a baffled duct. Thats how the military vent their classified vaults that they work in.
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@@imperialpresence3331 depends on your needs of course. if you can do 10+ pull ups with ease you probably don't need steps up a 3ft ledge with a sturdy handle.
@@cavemanraveman1 all that vitality could be erased with a single slip...everything this young man has built...could be ended in a single moment i'm not saying a person shouldn't get exercise and make themselves the best they can be...but...you shouldn't be doing that in your work shop...it's an accident waiting to happen..and an excuse for your insurance to deny you coverage
Solid work. This looks like an awesome setup. Two small and easy observations as an experienced audio engineer. You may want to put something soft on the walls to prevent your voice-overs from sounding hollow. You will also want to put in some kind of air exchange. Not that you'll die if you don't but you will likely notice that your productivity starts to dip as the oxygen level in your sealed room dips. You could of course just open the door when you aren't doing voice overs.
Great idea....I am jealous as my shop is not large enough to include a dedicated office. One piece of advice....attach the support legs to the floor in some fashion. Moving heavy carts under there, or moving materials in/out with your truck may spell disaster if you hit a support. Maybe some blocks with cement anchors?
It's a Nice project! Two things... I would make your storage carts 6 in shorter than planned and build a 2x6 framed sub-structure (with four legs), attached (ledger) with lag bolts and frame it so that it comes our perpendicular from the shop wall, to support your existing floor. You have a shear force issues, particularly at the back wall. Also, there are some good sources online with some simple ventilation solutions for small studios, etc.
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Soundproofing is primarily about decoupling surfaces. Sound is going to hit your sheathing, transfer through the studs and through the MDF. The caulking might help reduce some treble frequencies but bassier frequencies are going to travel through that without any problem.
I like this idea. I have 11' ceilings in my garage and storage shelve up high. I've considered doing this on the floor but an elevated room like this could solve my plywood storage problem. Food for thought. Thanks.
I like the storage system underneath. Make sure you don't work too long without letting some fresh air in. The CO2 levels will rise quickly. O2 levels will drop too. You will probably have to add ventilation to keep it cool and bring in fresh air. A large diameter fan running at a slow speed will be nearly silent. A baffle system will drop noise transmission from the outside.
@@yoniesharnessshopllc A high end video editing system (that can cost a few thousand dollars) in a woodworking workshop? Unless you want to take it out every week to blow the dust out, just no. Also accidentally bumping into it with wood beams... There definitely needs to be ventilation added. My office at work (5.2 m2) is about the same size and after about 30 minutes without ventilation I get dizzy enough to fall over. The hvac system wasn't setup right and was fixed last month. Since then no more problems. Luckily he has an outside wall so getting fresh air in there shouldn't be too difficult.
I love this office project. I see why you do not have stairs, the storage bins and all, but for me, maybe stairs, yeah, I would need stairs. As you get older, well you will see. All and all great project, and I like the use of screws. The old building expression in Florida is glue and screw and it wont come apart.
Very cool project...3 ideas for your consideration. 1. You could add a whitestripe along the inside border of your door's rails and stiles to further play off/tie in the adjacent basketball hoop. 2. Maybe you could design one of the pull out storage bins below to double as a step to make getting inside easier for when you don't feel like climbing?. 3. Consider adding a vent on the wall shared by the house so you can get conditioned air and ventilation
This is awesome I’ve got limited space and a 4’ x 8’ CNC and I need a Office so I think I’m gonna use this and store the CNC underneath bring it out to set it up and push it back in whilst running. I think the only thing I do different due to the timber prices at the moment it’ll be using plasterboard
Just a tip, when framing doors let the bottom plate run the same distance as the wall and stand it up, then when your happy with location and its secured, you cut out the bottom plate with sawzall in door opening.
I would have also considered putting the whole thing on rubber isolators to uncouple it from your house frame/concrete floor. In case anyone was ever jackhammering next door, a jet was flying overhead, someone and stomping loudly inside the house, etc... It would dampen vibrations. Making it airtight was a great Idea I didn't think about that but it makes sense.
Excellent work! I want to do something similar to this in my new garage. You've made this look "sorta" easy even thought I kn ow it was not. Thanks for sharing and thanks for the inspiration!!
Nice looking result - I would have used a decoupling glue on the outside ply to studs and added a layer of mass loaded vinyl behind your MDF sheeting and under floor for more performance. Also a carpet to reduce sound reflections. 2 Layers drywall with decoupling glue actually outperforms ply or MDF for reference... Could always add one layer on top if space isn't too tight...
Your comment about hte more air tight the room is the more sound proof it is.. You are 100% correct. That is why they call acoustic sealant acoustic sealant it stops the movement of air, sound requires air movement :)
If you can, caulk the outside seams and the seams on that ceiling too. It will help more than you might think. Twist any wires from the outside up like pigtails inside the wall so they do not effectively transmit vibration to the inside.
I was intrigued by this idea. I'm old so all the comments I would have made are already here. Besides a sealed box, this would be an interesting idea for raising any work area above some storage. We always seem to think the storage needs to go over, but maybe under is better?
you should put two 4x4's at the back also against the wall, I cant imagine those screws are rated to take the sheer load you are putting on them by themselves.
Exactly. The front is extremely strong but the attachment to the wall is weak. The floor joists are all supported by the shear strength of a total of 4 screws. At least the floor deck sits on the ledger board attached to the studs. But all the floor joists themselves are supported by the two 2x4 on the left and the right. Those are each supported by only two screws. Ideally The joists should have run perpendicular to the wall. That way each would have fasteners attaching to the ledger board. But I suppose with that much plywood sheathing, it’s probably fine. Just that it’s weird to overbuild everything while one part of the structure is weak.
@@alexdroman Screws have almost no shear strength, its kind of why they don't use them to build wood structures like houses except in very specific places like subfloor and drywall. A ledger should ALWAYS be fixed with lag bolts no matter what you are hanging from it..
@@BenTardif yep, be careful on the corners a lot of low end will build up there. I suggest building some bass trapsfor the corners if if you want total isolation
@Uncle Eidolf I meant sheet Rock as in drywall. However rock wool in interior walls will aide in dampening sound. Not sure it's something you'd want to do throughout your house however as it would be expensive, and you could achieve similar results with glass fiber insulation. If I recall correctly, proper sound breaks require a double wall with an air gap. Sound travels through any solid medium, so from drywall through the stud to drywall on other side. Double wall with air gap breaks that chain.
@Uncle Eidolf Yeah I don't disagree with what you've said. Filling void space with insulation will definitely cut down on noise transmission, and you are right that soundwaves travel easily through air pockets. What I was referring to was an acoustic break which is sometimes done at the cost of physical space in a room. Harder materials like wood behind the drywall allow for easy transmission of noise, which is why they have acoustic caulking which deadens the vibration. Honestly an easy way to cut down on noise is double up your dry wall and insulate the void space + acoustic caulking. It's not as intrusive as adding a second break wall.
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Amazing ! Please keep in mind that screws are not meant to support lateral structures and bolts or framing nails are usually preferred to support structure.
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MDF and Particle board are typically sold at 49x97" the give you an extra inch because they easily get banged up in shipping. So they give you a bit extra so you can but it down to a 48x96 and maintain a crisp edge.
Have 1 or 2 storage carts that can be pulled slightly out as stairs to your office. The tops of the stairs could be on hinges so you can have quick access tools or parts that you use often.
Suspended floor always helps with soundproofing. Ideally lay the floor on top of Rockwool. Also decoupling the inner skin of the wall from the outer skin.
i feel like the thumbs down are from people who can't do a pull-up or wouldn't be able to get in there without stairs. thanks for the videos. i am glad i found your channel.
You're going to get a million people pointing out everything you should have done, hindsight and backseat driver's are what we all do best. You did a good job with the whole building, not just for a young guy, you got real good skills already. Keep it up brother, and just remember that any trade is a lifelong study/endeavor. You'll keep on learning until you retire, if your any good. Also, when you do manual work, your body is your most important resource and you have to take good care of it. You only have one body so work safely as much as you possibly can and never compromise on that. We often take care of others much better than we do ourselves so treat yourself as if you were your own employee/child. I'm saying this because I'm old and made alot of mistakes that I hate to see in guys coming up in the business. Good luck, stay safe, and most of all, enjoy it while you can and in 30 years, pass on what you've learnt to the next generation of green-horn's coming up.
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Looking at my other comments on this video, maybe I have been watching too many engineering disaster videos. I still can't shake the feeling that climbing in and out of that a few hundred times it going to loosen the joints. Add a few hundred Lbs. of load and something like that lumber rack dumping it's load on the side and I just see it pulling part way off the wall and twisting the base. I think the 4x4's should have gone all the way up into the rafters and be attached to the floor somehow and it needs more triangulation than just plywood screwed to the front and side. I am sure it looks solid enough to a non-engineer, but that just has my engineering and mechanical senses tingling. I am sure it works, but I am sure it is not as safe and solid as it looks.
I was involved with sound damping a fire station bedroom area. MDF is solid but it causes echos dry wall is better. You may want to add EGG creat echo damping. On the lack of steps your young and strong now but one-day you will screw up you back and need stairs start on it plus a screwed up can screw your love life so don't wait.
You seem to hvae the same issue I had a while back with 2/4's being EXTRA dry and splitting... We started drilling Pilot holes.... prolbem solved no splits... FYI anywhere that wood split creates a weak spot.
Hey Ben, some accustic Tipps for the next time. Try to decouple the framing from the original wall. (Something like a rubber mat or some kork ( I don't know the English name for it) so vibrations are not transfered. Try to install a little fan to be able to breathe. Soundwise did you damp the sound from outside really gut. But you have a bunch of echo inside. That almost as bad as no isolation. At least on the wall you talk to (microphone wise) or some mobile microphone booth. :) What did you do for cooling ? And light ? How did your dogs help you working in the office. It is a way to high. ;) Greetings from Germany Thomas
Exactly what Thomas said. This is a great office and I'm positive it's exactly what you need, but it's not soundproof. Sound is vibration, so to make it soundproof, it had to be isolated from the rest of the building. As for the microphone, you can easily create a little box (briefcase size or so) with sound foam in it and strategically place the mic in the dead spot. I wish I had the space to build a little hideaway like this.
@@nicka99 I have not the same opinion. I've build some soundisolated studios before. If I remember correctly, the walls are flat wood. This reflects sound like crazy in the room. Put some foam with different densitys on the wall to break the reflections. And not totally absorb it. A beginners mistake is to isolate the room from outside but creating soundbridges and flat walls in the studio. Gained nothing. Put some foam on the walls not the whole room , than it will be better. Kill every sound in the room by absorbent material and your going crazy because it it isn't natural.
@@TheLexorius Agree with the vinyl deadening - that works great esp if you are above or below other noisy rooms. And/or I'd (strongly) recommend Homosote wall/floor board - no more expensive than 3/4 plywood, easy to use (lighter than plywood) and decent amount of structural stability, cuts easily - it's like a big thick paper plate - works really well to deaden sound - even better than 5/16 drywall, and works good to deaden echo. I made walls with homosote on each side, decoupled studs, and Rockwool since my office is immediately adjacent to the furnace. It was very effective, easy and pretty cheap. And (tho not built for podcasting / recording) it's very neutral and would work great for this purpose.
This is awesome.... 1 thing id of done is rubber COATED everything with duplicolor sound deadening underbody coating & the mdf I would have made continuous groves like a sound room and rubber COATED that But this is awesome!
I liked the video ! These are my armchair opinions: Things i would do diferently: 1 - Location - Place the room on the back of the shop, were there is a ceiling and a wal that can be used. 2 - Door - I would have instaled a sliding door. 3 - Power Outlets - 1 electrical oulet is not going to be enough (personal experience), despite one's plans, more and more equipment will acumulate inside the room. Things to add: 1 - Chalkboard or Corkboard outside/inside for post-it's, blueprints, etc... 2 - Ventilation Fan/Duct. 3 - Soundproofing material inside because of echo.
Ben, what have you done for ventilation? I just started following this build and am impatient, how will you be able to breathe in this coffin of a box?
One trick used in recording studios is to install rubber bushings between the floor foundation and the structure on top. You can also make the walls at an angle greater than 90 degrees, to prevent sound waves reflecting back and forth and building up resonate frequencies.
Ben, nice build and well thought out construction. My only concerns and possible considerations would be ventilation and some sort of steps. An injury doing stunts could alienate you from the office for months.
why not legs at the back? great video. Just watched the french cleat, both workbench videos and the workshop build all in one go after finding this channel. A very organised and skilled guy.
Great video! Thanks a lot for sharing all the process and "technical difficulties". Still don't know how you didn't have any of the dogs running over fresh paint, hahaha...
I admire DIYers so this is just a critique. There is a lot more that goes into sound proofing. this isn't the "ultimate". You could also double stud with an air gap. Caulk all stud seams in the wall cavities and out. Remove the outlet to put putty around the outlet box(really hard to do). Insulate the roof. Rockwool is good but closed cell seems to dominate. Caulk the outside seams. Put in a very well planned vent system. Make sure when sheeting the walls to use as few joints as possible. Put sound adhesive on the inside of the plywood sheeting lining each stud. Do not make a square room. and plenty of other things I cant think of at the moment.
Can't wait for the upgrade video where he installs an A/C unit for that tiny space with a human body + computers running. Then has to soundproof it so it doesn't ruin the soundproof of his soundproof chamber. *Yo dawg, I heard you like soundproofing*
You can build collapsible stairs with storage inside the void in the stairs so you can get down without breaking your neck if you forget how high you are from the ground
I'm a little worried that the back has the problem you eliminated at the front when you said "that's putting a lot of weight on a couple screws". I'd feel a lot safer if there were some vertical supports going straight to the ground! But, either way a very cool build :)
Agreed...you’re relying on the shear strength of the screws instead of compressive strength of a leg. Truth be told, you have a similar problem in the front but it’s not as bad. You can see the possible “result” of this problem here... images.app.goo.gl/HmCKoQgKCS22vRED9 Notice how the front legs are in perfect condition and the deck just completely separated from the house. Sometimes balconies are lag/carriage bolted to a ledger board; the owners exceed the sheer strength and....crunch.
He's built the office like a deck, using a ledger into studs (though I would've recommended a 2x6 or 2x8 ledger, not what is, in effect, a floor joint). Lag screws would've been better than regular screws, but he did double up on them after removing the support board. When building decks, you build a bullet-proof frame. Level, plumb, parallel and perpendicular. On top of that, you lay decking and super structure. I also would've recommended joists and rafters from front to back, rather than side to side, as well as the use of joist hangers. Again, the compressive strength of the hangers in addition to the shear strength of the screws. In an additional comment, I recommended the use of drywall, rather than plywood and MDF, as well as the addition of double- or triple-pane glazing, possibly even an exterior window. Working in a closed box is going to get very old, very fast. Take it from someone who worked from home for 15 years before it was even a thing; starting in my basement, then moving to my bonus room. Dark, poorly ventilated, heated and cooled, and cut off from the rest of the house, are not good for productivity.
@@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt yeah, i get you about the ledger board - but (and forgive my ignorance) surely the force is still primarily directed through the screws that connect the ledger to the studs? If that were lag bolts that's one thing, but just screws? Surely some vertical supports or joist hangers would be better, especially when there's no reason to NOT put them there (you'd only be losing an few inches of space depthwise for the storage carts).
No worries, guys. I've tried this before. The wall mounts will be fine. Unless he is taken to jumping around inside. Or loading up a fridge into his little cubicle. God I hope he wont take up blacksmithing and do it inside. X-S
@@figrollin The shear load absolutely act on the only fasteners in this design. With that said, the use of a ledger is standard practice. The problem here is that's not what was done. In standard deck construction, a ledger is lagged through exterior siding material and into a rim joist. These lag screws are both larger and longer than the wood screws that were used in this video. With careful planning the lag screws can even continue through the rim into floor joists. A rim structure for the deck would then be built. 2x6 timbers would suffice for this application. Metal hangers and corner braces would be added. Then floor joists would be laid in perpendicular to the ledger, again using metal hangers. A 2x2 timber could be lagged the ledger below the level of the floor joints for a belt and suspenders approach. One now has a safe, stable platform on which to build. A platform more than capable of handling the expected loads. Sometimes vlogs meant to be a "hey, look what I did" piece can come off as "instructional". In my opinion, when you show what you did, step-by-step, a piece becomes instructional. No one should take this video as such as it shows how to definitely not build a sound elevated office structure.
How long before he forgets he's 3ft off the ground when walking out the door ?
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Not long. No ventilation = reduced oxygen levels = reduced cognitive function.
Speaking of which, he can't trianglate the base for obvious reasons, but if that shifts evens little bit that door will jam. A solid whack in just the wrong spot might do the trick, esp years from now. Even a little trianglation would help. A LVL beam about twice the length of the studio between the rafters and the top of your studio would work. You should have a plan and preparations for forcing that door from the inside. Remember that if you have to force it, the door may be all that is holding it up so anything heavy in there should be on the floor or solidly attached.
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Isn't going to get a little warm and stuffy in there?
I was thinking the same thing, that office is gonna be really hot, he needs some type of AC and ventilation inside, specially if he's planning on running a bunch of electronic equipment.
@@JesusUruchurtu1 how long before he passes out with carbon dioxide poisoning.
@@a5pin Was thinking the same. CO2 monitor?
The door only needs to be closed during the voice-overs the rest of the time the door can be open or cracked.
Guys, dont worry. He's young and agile, and does stuns for a living. He's good...
If he doesnt upload again I think we can just assume Carbon dioxide poisoning
Seeing how he hasn’t replied to any comments....
@c4n4d4... disoriented, he stepped outside and landed hard on the floor 😫
It’s monoxide, but yes
@@jonjohnson102 There are some comments from him below :) Even some 'likes' :)
@@BlueBaeChai Actually, since its from his own breath it actually is Carbon dioxide poisoning (that exist too, but the effects are rather different from monoxide). Carbon monoxide poisoning will you get from combustion, like engine exhausts or from a fireplace if the chimney doesen't work properly.
Cool project and i like your instructional style! Watch out for vapor! Breathing in a sealed system with no ventilation (is it hot there?) will cause vapor to build up pretty quickly on the interior surfaces. All your computers will add heat too. Maybe add a vent fan to the top using a baffled duct. Thats how the military vent their classified vaults that they work in.
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Love it. I think too many people forget they can go UP in their workshops. Planning something similar for mine next year.
3 foot off the ground with no steps?...
@@imperialpresence3331 depends on your needs of course. if you can do 10+ pull ups with ease you probably don't need steps up a 3ft ledge with a sturdy handle.
@@cavemanraveman1 all that vitality could be erased with a single slip...everything this young man has built...could be ended in a single moment
i'm not saying a person shouldn't get exercise and make themselves the best they can be...but...you shouldn't be doing that in your work shop...it's an accident waiting to happen..and an excuse for your insurance to deny you coverage
Some say oxygen is needed to breath ;-)
Alexander Pas nah, that stuff is highly overrated
Joey Merrell did you know 100% of the people who breath oxygen die?
@@jonjohnson102 Actually, our atmosphere is mostly Nitrogen (80%). Oxygen is only about 20% of our air we breathe.
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jw11432 yes but the oxygen is really the only useful part of our atmosphere to humans
Solid work. This looks like an awesome setup. Two small and easy observations as an experienced audio engineer. You may want to put something soft on the walls to prevent your voice-overs from sounding hollow. You will also want to put in some kind of air exchange. Not that you'll die if you don't but you will likely notice that your productivity starts to dip as the oxygen level in your sealed room dips. You could of course just open the door when you aren't doing voice overs.
Great idea....I am jealous as my shop is not large enough to include a dedicated office. One piece of advice....attach the support legs to the floor in some fashion. Moving heavy carts under there, or moving materials in/out with your truck may spell disaster if you hit a support. Maybe some blocks with cement anchors?
Great little helpers! Enjoy them as much as you can. Twenty years from now you'll look back and appreciate all this time with them the more.
It's a Nice project! Two things... I would make your storage carts 6 in shorter than planned and build a 2x6 framed sub-structure (with four legs), attached (ledger) with lag bolts and frame it so that it comes our perpendicular from the shop wall, to support your existing floor. You have a shear force issues, particularly at the back wall. Also, there are some good sources online with some simple ventilation solutions for small studios, etc.
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Soundproofing is primarily about decoupling surfaces. Sound is going to hit your sheathing, transfer through the studs and through the MDF. The caulking might help reduce some treble frequencies but bassier frequencies are going to travel through that without any problem.
I like this idea. I have 11' ceilings in my garage and storage shelve up high. I've considered doing this on the floor but an elevated room like this could solve my plywood storage problem. Food for thought. Thanks.
I like the storage system underneath.
Make sure you don't work too long without letting some fresh air in. The CO2 levels will rise quickly. O2 levels will drop too. You will probably have to add ventilation to keep it cool and bring in fresh air. A large diameter fan running at a slow speed will be nearly silent. A baffle system will drop noise transmission from the outside.
I'm guessing that you're gonna put some type of AC in there? It'll be a tad warm with your computer on.
That’s all I could think about the entire video. That’s a hot box with no air circulation! :)
You could put the computer outside with cords coming into the room
Leroy Stoltzfus nice idea! Although my two monitors push out a lot of heat too.
@@yoniesharnessshopllc A high end video editing system (that can cost a few thousand dollars) in a woodworking workshop? Unless you want to take it out every week to blow the dust out, just no. Also accidentally bumping into it with wood beams...
There definitely needs to be ventilation added. My office at work (5.2 m2) is about the same size and after about 30 minutes without ventilation I get dizzy enough to fall over. The hvac system wasn't setup right and was fixed last month. Since then no more problems.
Luckily he has an outside wall so getting fresh air in there shouldn't be too difficult.
If the computer is outside the room, it would be that much quieter.
2 thumbs up for building it by yourself.
Thomas Kloppholz has the right tips for decoupling the studio (VERY important in professional studio's)
Nice build, but Id def need some stairs for those late nite editing sessions 🤙
I love this office project. I see why you do not have stairs, the storage bins and all, but for me, maybe stairs, yeah, I would need stairs. As you get older, well you will see.
All and all great project, and I like the use of screws. The old building expression in Florida is glue and screw and it wont come apart.
Very cool project...3 ideas for your consideration. 1. You could add a whitestripe along the inside border of your door's rails and stiles to further play off/tie in the adjacent basketball hoop. 2. Maybe you could design one of the pull out storage bins below to double as a step to make getting inside easier for when you don't feel like climbing?. 3. Consider adding a vent on the wall shared by the house so you can get conditioned air and ventilation
This is awesome I’ve got limited space and a 4’ x 8’ CNC and I need a Office so I think I’m gonna use this and store the CNC underneath bring it out to set it up and push it back in whilst running. I think the only thing I do different due to the timber prices at the moment it’ll be using plasterboard
Just a tip, when framing doors let the bottom plate run the same distance as the wall and stand it up, then when your happy with location and its secured, you cut out the bottom plate with sawzall in door opening.
I would have also considered putting the whole thing on rubber isolators to uncouple it from your house frame/concrete floor. In case anyone was ever jackhammering next door, a jet was flying overhead, someone and stomping loudly inside the house, etc... It would dampen vibrations. Making it airtight was a great Idea I didn't think about that but it makes sense.
Excellent work! I want to do something similar to this in my new garage. You've made this look "sorta" easy even thought I kn ow it was not. Thanks for sharing and thanks for the inspiration!!
Cool office and building video! The dogs make it super entertaining.
Nice looking result - I would have used a decoupling glue on the outside ply to studs and added a layer of mass loaded vinyl behind your MDF sheeting and under floor for more performance. Also a carpet to reduce sound reflections. 2 Layers drywall with decoupling glue actually outperforms ply or MDF for reference... Could always add one layer on top if space isn't too tight...
Your comment about hte more air tight the room is the more sound proof it is.. You are 100% correct. That is why they call acoustic sealant acoustic sealant it stops the movement of air, sound requires air movement :)
If you can, caulk the outside seams and the seams on that ceiling too. It will help more than you might think. Twist any wires from the outside up like pigtails inside the wall so they do not effectively transmit vibration to the inside.
I was intrigued by this idea. I'm old so all the comments I would have made are already here. Besides a sealed box, this would be an interesting idea for raising any work area above some storage. We always seem to think the storage needs to go over, but maybe under is better?
That’s the plan! Much easier to access if it’s under and less likely to be forgotten about
you should put two 4x4's at the back also against the wall, I cant imagine those screws are rated to take the sheer load you are putting on them by themselves.
I was just about to say that !!
I was surprised how much he reinforced the front and literally did zero reinforcing in the back
The walls are also screwed into the existing wall though a stud, but yeah that would be nice
Exactly. The front is extremely strong but the attachment to the wall is weak. The floor joists are all supported by the shear strength of a total of 4 screws. At least the floor deck sits on the ledger board attached to the studs. But all the floor joists themselves are supported by the two 2x4 on the left and the right. Those are each supported by only two screws.
Ideally The joists should have run perpendicular to the wall. That way each would have fasteners attaching to the ledger board.
But I suppose with that much plywood sheathing, it’s probably fine. Just that it’s weird to overbuild everything while one part of the structure is weak.
@@alexdroman Screws have almost no shear strength, its kind of why they don't use them to build wood structures like houses except in very specific places like subfloor and drywall. A ledger should ALWAYS be fixed with lag bolts no matter what you are hanging from it..
guys, he doesn’t need air because he’s young and agile and does stunts for a living!
best one yet haha
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way to carry that load!!! Good idea, a user that understands that screws are not structural, structure is!! or some nice beefy leg bolts
Nice vid. Acoustic foam pads may also help and make the room look really cool.
The empty room has an echo. Moving in all the hardware and gear will help get rid of it but later on I’ll be adding acoustic panels for sure!
@@BenTardif yep, be careful on the corners a lot of low end will build up there. I suggest building some bass trapsfor the corners if if you want total isolation
I cant stress this enough, wear breathing rpe when working with mdf. That stuff destroys your lungs!
I work in a lab and test for sound. Just from my experience, Sheetrock is really good at trapping noise.
Yeah, its great especially if you can double wall it. Even more so if you want to invest in acoustic caulking.
@Uncle Eidolf I meant sheet Rock as in drywall. However rock wool in interior walls will aide in dampening sound. Not sure it's something you'd want to do throughout your house however as it would be expensive, and you could achieve similar results with glass fiber insulation. If I recall correctly, proper sound breaks require a double wall with an air gap. Sound travels through any solid medium, so from drywall through the stud to drywall on other side. Double wall with air gap breaks that chain.
@Uncle Eidolf Yeah I don't disagree with what you've said. Filling void space with insulation will definitely cut down on noise transmission, and you are right that soundwaves travel easily through air pockets. What I was referring to was an acoustic break which is sometimes done at the cost of physical space in a room. Harder materials like wood behind the drywall allow for easy transmission of noise, which is why they have acoustic caulking which deadens the vibration. Honestly an easy way to cut down on noise is double up your dry wall and insulate the void space + acoustic caulking. It's not as intrusive as adding a second break wall.
CONGRATS on 100.000 subscribers! Been here since marble mountain and have been hooked ever since. Than you for always providing entertaining, clean, and creative content. Keep it up
Love the idea of using the space underneath for storage. Nicely done.
Amazing ! Please keep in mind that screws are not meant to support lateral structures and bolts or framing nails are usually preferred to support structure.
Dude you’re the free hand straight line saw king. No track saw needed here.
What is the small handheld sanding tool that you are using? It's like a little sanding wand. Never seen anything like that before.
co2 detector etc !!!!
PS.
if u want to make air conditioning unit inside u have 2 options - 2 radiators 1 iside 1 outside with 2 fans
or just take compressor from the fridge and make simple AC unit out of it :) super easy if u can take out entire unit without damaging it
Great video!
I’m curious about heating, cooling, and ventilation though...
MDF and Particle board are typically sold at 49x97" the give you an extra inch because they easily get banged up in shipping. So they give you a bit extra so you can but it down to a 48x96 and maintain a crisp edge.
As a person who struggles to work without peace and quite: I love this idea!
Have 1 or 2 storage carts that can be pulled slightly out as stairs to your office. The tops of the stairs could be on hinges so you can have quick access tools or parts that you use often.
Interesting idea. Appears tightly built. But ... claustrophobic for me. Namaste Jay
Suspended floor always helps with soundproofing. Ideally lay the floor on top of Rockwool. Also decoupling the inner skin of the wall from the outer skin.
I love your floating studio, very inspiring!!!
i feel like the thumbs down are from people who can't do a pull-up or wouldn't be able to get in there without stairs. thanks for the videos. i am glad i found your channel.
Love the blue! Once again, you show your genius. And yes, I echo the question: air?
You're going to get a million people pointing out everything you should have done, hindsight and backseat driver's are what we all do best. You did a good job with the whole building, not just for a young guy, you got real good skills already. Keep it up brother, and just remember that any trade is a lifelong study/endeavor. You'll keep on learning until you retire, if your any good. Also, when you do manual work, your body is your most important resource and you have to take good care of it. You only have one body so work safely as much as you possibly can and never compromise on that. We often take care of others much better than we do ourselves so treat yourself as if you were your own employee/child. I'm saying this because I'm old and made alot of mistakes that I hate to see in guys coming up in the business. Good luck, stay safe, and most of all, enjoy it while you can and in 30 years, pass on what you've learnt to the next generation of green-horn's coming up.
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DOG INSPECTED AND APPROVED! Hey they aren't technical difficulties they are technical enchantments!
Looking at my other comments on this video, maybe I have been watching too many engineering disaster videos. I still can't shake the feeling that climbing in and out of that a few hundred times it going to loosen the joints. Add a few hundred Lbs. of load and something like that lumber rack dumping it's load on the side and I just see it pulling part way off the wall and twisting the base. I think the 4x4's should have gone all the way up into the rafters and be attached to the floor somehow and it needs more triangulation than just plywood screwed to the front and side. I am sure it looks solid enough to a non-engineer, but that just has my engineering and mechanical senses tingling. I am sure it works, but I am sure it is not as safe and solid as it looks.
Nice work, I would have put the door on the short side in case your truck is pulled in but a minor thing to be sure
I was involved with sound damping a fire station bedroom area. MDF is solid but it causes echos dry wall is better. You may want to add EGG creat echo damping. On the lack of steps your young and strong now but one-day you will screw up you back and need stairs start on it plus a screwed up can screw your love life so don't wait.
Awesome idea and awesome job!!!! Well done!!
Ben, You build like I do except you are really good at hiding your mistakes.
Good work. I love the small office.
Love your idea of raising the room and save space.
Looks great
Like the fore thought to use the space in multiple ways
Goodness I love the creativity and boldness. That's a great build!
Great way to utilize all of your space, also your little assistants looked like they were helpful and having a good time.
You seem to hvae the same issue I had a while back with 2/4's being EXTRA dry and splitting... We started drilling Pilot holes.... prolbem solved no splits... FYI anywhere that wood split creates a weak spot.
Hey Ben, some accustic Tipps for the next time. Try to decouple the framing from the original wall. (Something like a rubber mat or some kork ( I don't know the English name for it) so vibrations are not transfered. Try to install a little fan to be able to breathe.
Soundwise did you damp the sound from outside really gut. But you have a bunch of echo inside. That almost as bad as no isolation. At least on the wall you talk to (microphone wise) or some mobile microphone booth. :)
What did you do for cooling ? And light ?
How did your dogs help you working in the office. It is a way to high. ;)
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Yeah, it's cork. Pronounced kork. Because English.
Exactly what Thomas said.
This is a great office and I'm positive it's exactly what you need, but it's not soundproof.
Sound is vibration, so to make it soundproof, it had to be isolated from the rest of the building.
As for the microphone, you can easily create a little box (briefcase size or so) with sound foam in it and strategically place the mic in the dead spot.
I wish I had the space to build a little hideaway like this.
IT doesn't need to be soundproof, only absorbent
@@nicka99 I have not the same opinion. I've build some soundisolated studios before. If I remember correctly, the walls are flat wood. This reflects sound like crazy in the room. Put some foam with different densitys on the wall to break the reflections. And not totally absorb it. A beginners mistake is to isolate the room from outside but creating soundbridges and flat walls in the studio. Gained nothing. Put some foam on the walls not the whole room , than it will be better. Kill every sound in the room by absorbent material and your going crazy because it it isn't natural.
@@TheLexorius Agree with the vinyl deadening - that works great esp if you are above or below other noisy rooms. And/or I'd (strongly) recommend Homosote wall/floor board - no more expensive than 3/4 plywood, easy to use (lighter than plywood) and decent amount of structural stability, cuts easily - it's like a big thick paper plate - works really well to deaden sound - even better than 5/16 drywall, and works good to deaden echo. I made walls with homosote on each side, decoupled studs, and Rockwool since my office is immediately adjacent to the furnace. It was very effective, easy and pretty cheap. And (tho not built for podcasting / recording) it's very neutral and would work great for this purpose.
Ingenious use of space. Very cool idea.
Workshop builds and dogs. I'm here for it.
This is awesome.... 1 thing id of done is rubber COATED everything with duplicolor sound deadening underbody coating & the mdf I would have made continuous groves like a sound room and rubber COATED that
But this is awesome!
those doggies are adorable !
great construction video
Really cool use of the space!
I liked the video !
These are my armchair opinions:
Things i would do diferently:
1 - Location - Place the room on the back of the shop, were there is a ceiling and a wal that can be used.
2 - Door - I would have instaled a sliding door.
3 - Power Outlets - 1 electrical oulet is not going to be enough (personal experience), despite one's plans, more and more equipment will acumulate inside the room.
Things to add:
1 - Chalkboard or Corkboard outside/inside for post-it's, blueprints, etc...
2 - Ventilation Fan/Duct.
3 - Soundproofing material inside because of echo.
MDF is a furniture grade product all furniture grade sheet goods are 3/4" to 1" over to allow for squaring the panel.
Wow. You are one talented and entertaining guy
Nice job Ben! Keep up the videos
Dude, this is WAY too cool. NICE job man.
Ben, what have you done for ventilation? I just started following this build and am impatient, how will you be able to breathe in this coffin of a box?
One trick used in recording studios is to install rubber bushings between the floor foundation and the structure on top. You can also make the walls at an angle greater than 90 degrees, to prevent sound waves reflecting back and forth and building up resonate frequencies.
I love the swing handles to get in and out
100k subs! Congrats.
Wow, love your skills but I think I love your tools even more! Very entertaining too! Great work, Greg (Australia)
Ben, nice build and well thought out construction. My only concerns and possible considerations would be ventilation and some sort of steps. An injury doing stunts could alienate you from the office for months.
Ben makes Ryobi tools look good!
That's not hard to do
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@@tbah9402 it's not "HARD" but it's more difficult than making a more serious brand look good.
Never seen someone throw shade so nicley
They are
why not legs at the back? great video. Just watched the french cleat, both workbench videos and the workshop build all in one go after finding this channel. A very organised and skilled guy.
why was this recomennded to me? Well, not complaining, I liked it :)
Jeez that thing could be a bunker too with that amount of reinforcements
Good work
Loves unique spaces like this. Great job!
Bravo!! Amazing work!!!!
Great video! Thanks a lot for sharing all the process and "technical difficulties".
Still don't know how you didn't have any of the dogs running over fresh paint, hahaha...
I admire DIYers so this is just a critique. There is a lot more that goes into sound proofing. this isn't the "ultimate". You could also double stud with an air gap. Caulk all stud seams in the wall cavities and out. Remove the outlet to put putty around the outlet box(really hard to do). Insulate the roof. Rockwool is good but closed cell seems to dominate. Caulk the outside seams. Put in a very well planned vent system. Make sure when sheeting the walls to use as few joints as possible. Put sound adhesive on the inside of the plywood sheeting lining each stud. Do not make a square room. and plenty of other things I cant think of at the moment.
Can't wait for the upgrade video where he installs an A/C unit for that tiny space with a human body + computers running. Then has to soundproof it so it doesn't ruin the soundproof of his soundproof chamber. *Yo dawg, I heard you like soundproofing*
Your dogs are a hoot! 🤗🤗🤗
You do good work. And you can use the outside of the walls to hold all the stuff (jigs, tools, etc.) that a shop requires.
Wowe best assistants! They got the job done for ya 👌
i gave never seen someone cut so straight with a circular saw
you know what's funny he was drawing the lines with the thing you use to cut straight lines with a skill saw
It really wasn’t that straight.Doesnt need to be for this kind of thing.
You can build collapsible stairs with storage inside the void in the stairs so you can get down without breaking your neck if you forget how high you are from the ground
I'm a little worried that the back has the problem you eliminated at the front when you said "that's putting a lot of weight on a couple screws". I'd feel a lot safer if there were some vertical supports going straight to the ground! But, either way a very cool build :)
Agreed...you’re relying on the shear strength of the screws instead of compressive strength of a leg. Truth be told, you have a similar problem in the front but it’s not as bad.
You can see the possible “result” of this problem here...
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Notice how the front legs are in perfect condition and the deck just completely separated from the house. Sometimes balconies are lag/carriage bolted to a ledger board; the owners exceed the sheer strength and....crunch.
He's built the office like a deck, using a ledger into studs (though I would've recommended a 2x6 or 2x8 ledger, not what is, in effect, a floor joint). Lag screws would've been better than regular screws, but he did double up on them after removing the support board.
When building decks, you build a bullet-proof frame. Level, plumb, parallel and perpendicular. On top of that, you lay decking and super structure.
I also would've recommended joists and rafters from front to back, rather than side to side, as well as the use of joist hangers. Again, the compressive strength of the hangers in addition to the shear strength of the screws.
In an additional comment, I recommended the use of drywall, rather than plywood and MDF, as well as the addition of double- or triple-pane glazing, possibly even an exterior window.
Working in a closed box is going to get very old, very fast. Take it from someone who worked from home for 15 years before it was even a thing; starting in my basement, then moving to my bonus room. Dark, poorly ventilated, heated and cooled, and cut off from the rest of the house, are not good for productivity.
@@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt yeah, i get you about the ledger board - but (and forgive my ignorance) surely the force is still primarily directed through the screws that connect the ledger to the studs? If that were lag bolts that's one thing, but just screws? Surely some vertical supports or joist hangers would be better, especially when there's no reason to NOT put them there (you'd only be losing an few inches of space depthwise for the storage carts).
No worries, guys. I've tried this before. The wall mounts will be fine. Unless he is taken to jumping around inside. Or loading up a fridge into his little cubicle. God I hope he wont take up blacksmithing and do it inside. X-S
@@figrollin The shear load absolutely act on the only fasteners in this design. With that said, the use of a ledger is standard practice. The problem here is that's not what was done.
In standard deck construction, a ledger is lagged through exterior siding material and into a rim joist. These lag screws are both larger and longer than the wood screws that were used in this video. With careful planning the lag screws can even continue through the rim into floor joists.
A rim structure for the deck would then be built. 2x6 timbers would suffice for this application. Metal hangers and corner braces would be added. Then floor joists would be laid in perpendicular to the ledger, again using metal hangers. A 2x2 timber could be lagged the ledger below the level of the floor joints for a belt and suspenders approach.
One now has a safe, stable platform on which to build. A platform more than capable of handling the expected loads.
Sometimes vlogs meant to be a "hey, look what I did" piece can come off as "instructional". In my opinion, when you show what you did, step-by-step, a piece becomes instructional. No one should take this video as such as it shows how to definitely not build a sound elevated office structure.
Mini split ac to keep all your things cool especially your electronics. Just a thought very awsome tho 🤔
Dude. You need ventilation. It will get hot and sweaty in there and you'll use up your O2 real fast. You can make a sound baffled air vent that works.
Plenty of room on the ceiling to add baffled air in- and outtakes and a fan.
This whole build was extremely janky....
The average human can stay in a truly airtight room for days, I think he'll be fine.
They make this thing called a nail gun. You should check it out. The pieces of metal that come out of it, have much higher shear strength, as well.
Great job. Clever stuff.
Sick job man! 👍🏼
Cut a hole in the side and add A/C-Fan for cooling and air flow. You could buy the smallest one on the market for that tiny space.