There needs to be a lawsuit against Walmart /Spark for this because this is essentially a agreement between driver and spark/customer. The customer and spark are saying they will pay X amount and the driver takes the job based on that amount. By allowing customers to pull tips that changes the dynamic and drivers most likely wouldn’t take the rides without the tip.
Uber does the same, many companies do... Barnum & Bailey said a new sucker is born EVERYDAY, and its true. It's not their fault as a company if drivers are dull enough to take it, its been like this for years 🤷 if the general public had any business sense they would stop,butttt 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Company is BOOOOOOMING too and your losing, hmmmm 🤔 You think spark and uber lose any money over it??? Nope 😂😂😂 They aint out to make drivers rich, they are out to please customers, not you. Your simply a tool for them they utilize and disponse of when finished. Tell me this, why don't Walmart and Uber allow some of their money to be given back when the customer is not pleased??? They charge a ton of fees. 🤫😂😂😂
Yea, STOP DOING IT!! 😂😂😂😂😂 That's like saying coconuts keep falling on your head and you don't know what to do, ummm move away from the tree??? 🤦🤣🤣🤣 Tree no good, tree bad for you. lmfao 😂😂😂 But i love the tree, its my tree 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
Still the same... Its went to a 50-50 ratio in my area.. haha.. I think its why we have so many batched and late orders these days.. Something DOES need to be done.. Locking in initial tips with the option to add additional, or a Cost+Flat Fee with the option to add additional tips should be customary and common practice across the board due to things like this.. They take advantage of the idgets and ill-informed drivers.. BEST PRACTICE - NEVER-EVER-NEVER Accept an Order unless the BASE PAY is at your accepted rates... Then, any TIPS that clear, are just an added bonus...
People adjust their tip or remove the tip only because it’s an option for them. Remove the option and you won’t be ripped off anymore. That has to stop. You cannot make a living from people removing the tip “living” money.
In my area, these customers offer a tip knowing they are going to take it away. First five express deliveries I delivered offered around $20, always got half that when they purposely removed the tip. It has nothing to do with job performance.
We need a do not deliver list or something. Walmart could care less and doesn’t have our backs. They want us to meet so-called standards, but they won’t maintain professional standards on our behalf byholding, scammers accountable. I don’t care if they pay for Walmart plus or not that’s not how this works. You don’t want to tip take your assorted the store and go get your own stuff I don’t work for free. These people knowingly remove their tips. They are well aware of what they are doing and that the delivery person needs that money there’s no excuse for it. You would expect for Walmart who’s so heavy on us about metrics to keep track of people who are constantly tip baiting people and removing their tips with no explanation at all at least send them an email saying hey, we noticed you removed this tip for someone, was there a problem with the service?
Been binge watching your videos this morning and just wanted to say say you're a good guy. It gives me hope for humanity that there are still good people out there. Best luck to you in the gig world!
They need to fix this, it's really annoying. I went 9.1 miles for $19. $10 was a tip, low and behold today they took that tip. I would not have gone 9.1 miles for $9. Spark needs to look out for their drivers more. All we can do is write these peoples names down and stop taking their orders.
I spoke with support, and I suggested that they not allow them to remove tips for no reason, because there are some clients who do it so that the order arrives quickly, but it is a scam for us drivers, we are all going to tell customer service
Doordash had to pay huge fines for this very thing. I hope Sparks / Walmart gets on the radar and gets hit for the same exact thing. You don’t go eat at a restaurant tip your waiter, go to your car and think… hmm, I want some of that tip back, walk back in and ask for half of it back.
@@themidwestexpress hopefully. You’d be surprised how quick things get fixed when what happened to DD and some other gig apps, happens to Spark. Guess they just have to experience it, to actually do something.
That's what I always say, or it's like an internet service, if your internet was bad for 3 days, do you dare not to pay your bill at the end of the month? Of course not, so why do u think it's okay to tale away what they think it's tip but I think it should be called a bid , because it's a bid offer to a private contractor, thank you ❤ for explaining it this way , so people understand ❤
I just started Spark 2 weeks ago and do doordash as well. I didn't know about tip baiting until i did Spark and already knew Walmart set this up just to get us to deliver orders after 1 delivery and option to cancel tip after 24 hours. Of course you will cancel your tip after you stuff was delivered and find any excuse to remove tip like "The driver had loud music when pulling up so no tip!" 🤣 I just take the order if they make since i ignore the tip
And also depends on how you’re displaying the groceries at the door! You can’t just throw all the bags upside down expect to get your tip. Shit Hass to be nicely stacked, organized, handles up! I’ve made an extra hundred bucks a week and added it on tips from doing the right thing! Learn retail work people.
@@sanchezs7614 you have to have the mindset of the customer is always right. You need a treat this as it’s your business and bad reviews reflect negative on your business. I mean, I don’t give a shit what you do, but don’t bitch when you don’t get the tip. I’m in a retail manager for 11 years. I know what the fuck I’m doing.
With all my being, I believe Spark themselves are tricking the system’s backend to take our tips. I don’t usually get tipped baited but once I was looking for $67 in tips for one day and only got half of it by that cutoff point. I called Spark to complain because they have also manipulated my “trip” earnings before and didn’t give me the right amount and I had screenshots that gave proof of what I was supposed to get. So I challenged them on their recordkeeping of my tips. Supposedly they looked it up, and all of a sudden I have an additional $6 in my account. I don’t even trust that that’s correct. I believe there’s even more. And it’s funny, my baiting normally happens very close to that 24 hour period, not earlier. And it happens a lot when I’m having a very productive day or I am working to make an incentive bonus. I don’t trust Spark, but I get enough pay to offset my doubts to some extent. I hate being strict with my money.
FYI: The word around is that Walmart soon will come up with a 1-hour tip window like Sam's club and remove the 24 hour window. Which I found fair. That will help us keep track of tip-baiters and mistakes also made by drivers.
No. It's not. They are facilitating fraud by allowing any amount of promised payment to be revoked by the customer, after their contract with a third party independent driver has been accepted. It's a crime, no matter how much time is given for the customer to do so.
I have no idea how Spark can even afford to pay their drivers when Walmart plus is only $98/year. Like how does that even work when these people probably get stuff delivered every week or more often?
I haven't done Spark yet because, having worked at Walmart when I was younger, I know they attract the most frugal of the frugal. And that's totally fine. I'm cheap too. But, I don't get delivered anything for that reason. I'm out here to make money, not do charity work for billion dollar companies.
They should make a minimum guarantee tip on the customers end when placing an order. I say it should be a minimum of 4.00$ and once they click on the minimum tip they can only increase it, no deducting! And of course they should have the option weather to tip or not.
I believe the #1 reason why ppl remove their tips is the substitution option. I had people complain that they almost never get what they ordered from Walmart. I stop doing curbside pick ups to try to eliminate getting tip baited and just do S&D orders and I still never get all my tips and I believe it's because people don't like the substitutes the app gives me. I'm just going to do low to no tip orders from now on so I won't be stressed out about not receiving all my tips.
😂😂😂 that's how you chosen to fight back is take crappy pay only? Bruh no wonder they do it. 🤦 What are you drinking in your water my dude, what's wrong with yall? 😂😂😂😂
California here! No always is true the hood neighborhoods because I’ve been in a nice ass neighborhood and those deliveries are already design without tip and I am like WTF lol
With Spark, I finally decided to only take orders that make sense without the tip. Also, we just got alcohol orders in my area and so far my theory is if a customer has to look you in the eye while you check their ID, they won't pull the tip. Also, I keep a pack of note paper also. Several times I know I protected myself from a bad rating with a handwritten note explaining something.
I just screen shot a full conversation i had with spark customers service, and they admitted that customers are allow to bait tip with in 48hrs, exat words. I got robbed pretty much out of $25 in tips yesterday.
I wish I had known of it at that time. (PANDEMIC) It took me a while to even take advantage of delivered groceries to my home. I kept wondering about the job but never asked.
Tip bait is frustrating because you do your best on every delivery, like you said when I saw only orders from the gettos or assisted living neighbors, I either ignore the app, work in food delivery or go home and do something distracting.
How hard is it to write down the peoples names that don’t tip correctly? I’m not being a jerk but I read a ton of complaining about the same people that don’t tip? Stop taking their orders!! My goodness, there are “note” apps in EVERY cell phone made, make a list of people that don’t tip or tip bait and just don’t take their orders….. done deal
It's OK. People work thru issues and learn what works for them. Some use apps and some paper and pens. None of it should be required.... and Walmart should fix this 😑
I never judge a trip based on the added tip. Only the pay to deliver. I try to get $2/mile trips. Most of the time that works. I may have to watch the order pop up a few times before the place a demand on it. But also with that. You probably don't wanna be doing spark in something that's only getting like 20ish mpg. Like me I have a 5 speed vibe. The back seat fold down providing a big cargo area
In my market (south of Boston) 19 out of 20 Spark orders are not profitable BECAUSE - there are NO Walmarts in the city of Boston so all the orders come from the Quincy, MA location. 12-14 miles, usually in bumper-to-bumper traffic. These will run you on average 35 minutes to an hour one-way then there’s no chance of another pick up because again there’s no Walmarts in Boston you can try to pick up an Uber ride or maybe a DoorDash but then you got to get sucked into the Boston vortex, it’s rare to find a ride or delivery back to your area. Walmart should have at the very least a warehouse somewhere in Boston. My guess is they’re working on that or maybe I should say my hope. Very rare to get an order under 13 miles - all money losers. All the local orders seem to be handled by Uber Eats and are lowballs ($9.00 for 8 stops over 80 minutes, etc.) It’s an unfortunate situation.
I have been tip baited. Customer took their $7.00 tip away. I was just left with just delivery pay of $7.39. I delivered items to a 2nd floor apartment with light weight items. Glad I remember to add address to my no delivery list. At least Spark driver was giving out incentives offers, So I was over it. I multi-app and did food deliveries. At least Ubereats only have 1 hour pending on tips.
I don't tip because.... We call those broke boys where im from 😂 Say i understand you're on a fixed budget and can't afford it sir, not all of us have our finances in order 😂😂😂
Kid you not... the order late last night shop and deliver was seven 32 packs of water, six 24 packs of coke, three 24 packs of sprite, two 2 liter bottles of soda and 2 bottles of orange juice and a giant pack of toilet paper... 35 $ order.... but then customer dropped entire tip.... 18$
@@KILLINGTHEMBEATZ1 I contacted them about it happening alot and I've only been doing it for 1.5 weeks. I asked if they make the customers give a valid reason for lowering or removing their tip. They said no and they aren't "allowed" to ask them about either and it's their money they can do what they want. So I said ok so when yall get fined just like DoorDash did die openly allowing your drivers to be tip baited, then good bc you deserve it. They said if they get enough people to complain they can report it and try for change. I'm like enough people? It's been everywhere online for months! Smh...
@@te4389 the tips kinda sucker the driver to take they low orders like 10 miles for 14 dollars but if they add the tip on the order they know drivers will take it.
I don't do heavy lifting items. I always check items before doing them. Thats a lot of water. Any heavier like, customers should store pick up those heavy items.
I haven't used the user APP in a long time. The way I understand it... They place the tip prior and can adjust (not confirm)either way after completion.
The drivers in my neck of the woods don't deal well with tip baiters. I'm sure there's been a few flat tires the morning after. For me, I screen shot all my deliveries and addresses. When I get tip baited, I add them to a 'no delivery' list. It's about all I can do.
I track every order I take and if I don't get the offered tip I mark that address in my little black book and I will never take their order again it's just that simple.
Also at Walmart the idiots that work there don’t know what is spark and I had to argue with the self check out clerk and she refused to let me go after I scanned my phone and show her that this is spark and these are the items I shopped for. She has to ask her manager and 20 minutes wasted. Also in NJ they banned bags and they will not give us bags as well. Had to fight for them too. How can you put their groceries on the floor that is another tip withdrawal and bad ratings.
With Walmart a multi billion dollar company does not care about drivers. They significantly reduced drivers pay and give customers 24 hours to adjust the tip. Spark is not driver friendly at all, and it meant to take advantage of drivers.
"Tip" baiting is fraud. Look up the term "binding estimate". They cannot remove any promised payment that is part the contract's acceptance. It is a crime to do so, for both the customer and application owner's for facilitating the fraud. They are on the hook to pay every cent that is offered to the independant third party contractor who is fullfilling the terms of their contracted offer, including the bid amount.
And my baiting is usually on the round robins. I don’t trust Spark entirely. Be careful that the trip pay makes sense first. If it’s a nice tip but trash trip amount, beware!
I am at the point now where I accept orders based on the “trip” earnings. With the few that I do have that have a tip on it, they have stayed legit lately. But I will never take one that has a really huge tip and very low trip earnings. I’m afraid of it being bait. Spark pay has really dropped this year, which requires even more strategic thinking when accepting orders.
Besides being 30-60 mins late, there is really nothing a driver can do so outrageous to merit a full tip removal, to curb abuse of tip bating, the customer should only be aloud to remove a percentage of an initial upfront tip, say 50%. This would eliminate high tip offers they know they plan to remove, and could always tip in person if they don’t agree to the 50% take back. Some would say this would cause less tipping all around, but I feel it would just make the market honest, and stop bating.
Sooo, at first, they didn't even show you that you even had a tip, but when drivers started complaining than they started showing the tips but would turn around and say, oh, the customer may or may not take their tips away???? okay, somebody is keeping these tips, and it don't sound like it's the customers!!! I have been a driver for about 6 months and it just don't add up to me. Why is it up to Walmart Spark whether I get my tips or not? Shouldn't that be up to the customers? And if it's a possibility that the customer may just take the tip back for the hell of it, shouldn't Walmart stop this policy for the sake of their drivers? No! because I believe it's Walmart Spark that is keeping some of our tips. Just think about it.
I don't want to comment about things I cannot prove. Tip transparency isn't as bad with Walmart in my opinion. I believe that many customers pull the tip or never tip at all in some markets. In my market, certain customers are not going to tip. Lots of low income and college people are using the Walmart ➕️ program which = no or low tip.
@@themidwestexpress That's my point. They know we can't prove it. But don't you think they should prove to us drivers that they are not keeping some of our tips by having the customers show prove that they have either confirmed their tips, or show why they took them away? They can at least do that, then we won't be so suspicious of Walmart spark!!
B G, I see your point. However, some people are not right. I remember seeing a video of a doordash driver pounding on a customers door who had her drive 10 miles with no tip. That lady was unhinged..... If Walmart showed us the tip baiting persons info.🤣 It would only be a matter of time before a driver would try to settle the score. 🥺☠️😰 Just protecting their interests of liability. But I do see your perspective and appreciate your input and participation here. 😀
Network all the names and addresses! We’re gonna have to come together to put a stop to this shit! Un-Batch the customers that don’t tip or initiate a return they’re not tipping anyway, so you’re not losing money! 😉
Thank you great positive tips. Yeah we do this praying that the tips don’t get pulled. It is still happening every day. No control over this . It is what it is. I tell you Walmart plus is cheap. For &99 a year and free delivery and no markups at lesst be a good citizen and tip the driver l. These piece of shit sorry I felt they are privileged that they don’t need or feel like tipping for a service. I want to ask you if you call to pick up food for yourself do you tip them? There is a nap restaurant at my area during the pandemic when everything is close for in door dining and after they resume in door dining the owner will ask me to tip 15% of every order for pickup. She has no shame to ask me to tip. I felt obligated to tip 15%. I see people pissed off-that they are not being served why I had to tip so much. If I had my way I want to tip $5. So I just want to get your opinion yes delivery should be tipped. Should pickup also be forced to tip? Thanks have a great weekend.
This sparks another video idea for me.... me and my brother were talking about this one today. Thanks for the input and questions. I honestly don't order.... and if I do, I pick it up myself.
09:04 the food stamps card got loaded via the tax payers. that is how they pay... I used to be a cashier at walmart. also EBT won't let you pay a cash tip.....EBT is food items only.... Great video... Keep up the great work...
EBT doesn’t pay for delivery. So they can tip using the pay method they used for the delivery service itself, or with non food items. In short, they can tip
I just got tip baited did a shop and deliver order. It legit took me a minute to do the shopping ave delivered well before the time. I just saw they changed tip from 7$ - 1$ what jerks. No issue whatever.
There needs to be a lawsuit against Walmart /Spark for this because this is essentially a agreement between driver and spark/customer. The customer and spark are saying they will pay X amount and the driver takes the job based on that amount. By allowing customers to pull tips that changes the dynamic and drivers most likely wouldn’t take the rides without the tip.
Uber does the same, many companies do...
Barnum & Bailey said a new sucker is born EVERYDAY, and its true.
It's not their fault as a company if drivers are dull enough to take it, its been like this for years 🤷
if the general public had any business sense they would stop,butttt 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Company is BOOOOOOMING too and your losing, hmmmm 🤔
You think spark and uber lose any money over it??? Nope 😂😂😂
They aint out to make drivers rich, they are out to please customers, not you.
Your simply a tool for them they utilize and disponse of when finished.
Tell me this, why don't Walmart and Uber allow some of their money to be given back when the customer is not pleased??? They charge a ton of fees. 🤫😂😂😂
Done over 400 trips, 9-12 trips per day. Tip baited 30 percent of the time. Something has to be done
Dang😳.... 30% is bad. What Market are you doing Spark?
Las Vegas
It's about the same in Milwaukee
Yea, STOP DOING IT!! 😂😂😂😂😂
That's like saying coconuts keep falling on your head and you don't know what to do, ummm move away from the tree??? 🤦🤣🤣🤣
Tree no good, tree bad for you. lmfao 😂😂😂
But i love the tree, its my tree 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
Still the same... Its went to a 50-50 ratio in my area.. haha.. I think its why we have so many batched and late orders these days.. Something DOES need to be done.. Locking in initial tips with the option to add additional, or a Cost+Flat Fee with the option to add additional tips should be customary and common practice across the board due to things like this.. They take advantage of the idgets and ill-informed drivers.. BEST PRACTICE - NEVER-EVER-NEVER Accept an Order unless the BASE PAY is at your accepted rates... Then, any TIPS that clear, are just an added bonus...
People adjust their tip or remove the tip only because it’s an option for them. Remove the option and you won’t be ripped off anymore. That has to stop. You cannot make a living from people removing the tip “living” money.
Agree. 💯
They are allowing fraud to take place which makes the spark application owners liable to pay out all instances of the "tip" baiting.
In my area, these customers offer a tip knowing they are going to take it away. First five express deliveries I delivered offered around $20, always got half that when they purposely removed the tip. It has nothing to do with job performance.
Yeah, I think it will be more and more common as people subscribe to the Walmart + program. Thanks for sharing and being here.
We need a do not deliver list or something. Walmart could care less and doesn’t have our backs. They want us to meet so-called standards, but they won’t maintain professional standards on our behalf byholding, scammers accountable. I don’t care if they pay for Walmart plus or not that’s not how this works. You don’t want to tip take your assorted the store and go get your own stuff I don’t work for free. These people knowingly remove their tips. They are well aware of what they are doing and that the delivery person needs that money there’s no excuse for it. You would expect for Walmart who’s so heavy on us about metrics to keep track of people who are constantly tip baiting people and removing their tips with no explanation at all at least send them an email saying hey, we noticed you removed this tip for someone, was there a problem with the service?
@@MrluisV3000 Why blame Walmart ?
@@Richard-mb2mt because they allow it and made the policy
Been binge watching your videos this morning and just wanted to say say you're a good guy. It gives me hope for humanity that there are still good people out there. Best luck to you in the gig world!
Thanks!
They need to fix this, it's really annoying. I went 9.1 miles for $19. $10 was a tip, low and behold today they took that tip. I would not have gone 9.1 miles for $9. Spark needs to look out for their drivers more. All we can do is write these peoples names down and stop taking their orders.
I don't think they care.... but totally agree.
or you can just do your job. you know in japan it's rude . I pridefully tip bait. no knock no tip deal with it. i also don't mind cold food.
@@thedeadguy Good for you. You do you
@@Izzdan i do thank you for your kind response.
@@thedeadguy of course
Thank you for covering the humanitarian side of what we do. Karma is for real!
I spoke with support, and I suggested that they not allow them to remove tips for no reason, because there are some clients who do it so that the order arrives quickly, but it is a scam for us drivers, we are all going to tell customer service
DonelI give yah a "A" for effort. However, I don't think they care or will actually do much.
Doordash had to pay huge fines for this very thing. I hope Sparks / Walmart gets on the radar and gets hit for the same exact thing.
You don’t go eat at a restaurant tip your waiter, go to your car and think… hmm, I want some of that tip back, walk back in and ask for half of it back.
I think they are working on the issue.... but not a easy thing to fix.
@@themidwestexpress hopefully. You’d be surprised how quick things get fixed when what happened to DD and some other gig apps, happens to Spark. Guess they just have to experience it, to actually do something.
That's what I always say, or it's like an internet service, if your internet was bad for 3 days, do you dare not to pay your bill at the end of the month? Of course not, so why do u think it's okay to tale away what they think it's tip but I think it should be called a bid , because it's a bid offer to a private contractor, thank you ❤ for explaining it this way , so people understand ❤
Just got my 1st tip bait $10 from some obsesse lady that I brought to her 2nd floor including 2 cases of water f that crap
Yeah... when it happens.... I just say to myself. "John, it just a free gym workout" 🤭 and shake it off. Thanks for sharing
Lol at “obese lady” 😂
I just started Spark 2 weeks ago and do doordash as well. I didn't know about tip baiting until i did Spark and already knew Walmart set this up just to get us to deliver orders after 1 delivery and option to cancel tip after 24 hours. Of course you will cancel your tip after you stuff was delivered and find any excuse to remove tip like "The driver had loud music when pulling up so no tip!" 🤣 I just take the order if they make since i ignore the tip
Thanks for sharing. 😀
@Atherid exactly! I had $90 in tips pending and received only $17 towards the end. Never again am I relying on Spark Tips
And also depends on how you’re displaying the groceries at the door! You can’t just throw all the bags upside down expect to get your tip. Shit Hass to be nicely stacked, organized, handles up! I’ve made an extra hundred bucks a week and added it on tips from doing the right thing! Learn retail work people.
@@yodead369 You don't need to know retail work to organize some groceries 😂 it common since to set the bags in a organized way or make them look neat.
@@sanchezs7614 you have to have the mindset of the customer is always right. You need a treat this as it’s your business and bad reviews reflect negative on your business. I mean, I don’t give a shit what you do, but don’t bitch when you don’t get the tip. I’m in a retail manager for 11 years. I know what the fuck I’m doing.
With all my being, I believe Spark themselves are tricking the system’s backend to take our tips. I don’t usually get tipped baited but once I was looking for $67 in tips for one day and only got half of it by that cutoff point. I called Spark to complain because they have also manipulated my “trip” earnings before and didn’t give me the right amount and I had screenshots that gave proof of what I was supposed to get. So I challenged them on their recordkeeping of my tips. Supposedly they looked it up, and all of a sudden I have an additional $6 in my account. I don’t even trust that that’s correct. I believe there’s even more. And it’s funny, my baiting normally happens very close to that 24 hour period, not earlier. And it happens a lot when I’m having a very productive day or I am working to make an incentive bonus. I don’t trust Spark, but I get enough pay to offset my doubts to some extent. I hate being strict with my money.
Still rolling with Spark?
I’m still rolling with them. This is not my means of income and so I just do it for fun. I like the challenge of it.
Tips on the app
FYI: The word around is that Walmart soon will come up with a 1-hour tip window like Sam's club and remove the 24 hour window. Which I found fair. That will help us keep track of tip-baiters and mistakes also made by drivers.
They haven't done that yet it's been a year since this comment of yours
No. It's not. They are facilitating fraud by allowing any amount of promised payment to be revoked by the customer, after their contract with a third party independent driver has been accepted. It's a crime, no matter how much time is given for the customer to do so.
Still a 24hr wait
@ they are all liars
I have no idea how Spark can even afford to pay their drivers when Walmart plus is only $98/year. Like how does that even work when these people probably get stuff delivered every week or more often?
Groceries ordered online have prices raised vs going into the store to purchase items yourself
I haven't done Spark yet because, having worked at Walmart when I was younger, I know they attract the most frugal of the frugal. And that's totally fine. I'm cheap too. But, I don't get delivered anything for that reason. I'm out here to make money, not do charity work for billion dollar companies.
Facts. Thanks for sharing
They should make a minimum guarantee tip on the customers end when placing an order. I say it should be a minimum of 4.00$ and once they click on the minimum tip they can only increase it, no deducting! And of course they should have the option weather to tip or not.
Then the base pay is effectively raised $4 for all orders.
Something should be done... but not holding my breath. Thanks for sharing Tre
Incentive baiting is definitely real right now
Yes.... 🙄
I believe the #1 reason why ppl remove their tips is the substitution option. I had people complain that they almost never get what they ordered from Walmart. I stop doing curbside pick ups to try to eliminate getting tip baited and just do S&D orders and I still never get all my tips and I believe it's because people don't like the substitutes the app gives me. I'm just going to do low to no tip orders from now on so I won't be stressed out about not receiving all my tips.
That is a good point. Thanks for sharing 👍
😂😂😂 that's how you chosen to fight back is take crappy pay only? Bruh no wonder they do it. 🤦
What are you drinking in your water my dude, what's wrong with yall? 😂😂😂😂
California here! No always is true the hood neighborhoods because I’ve been in a nice ass neighborhood and those deliveries are already design without tip and I am like WTF lol
Thanks for sharing
😃💯 thanks for sharing
I've seen more tip baiting in nicer areas....or low to no tips in my experience. Drive up to a huge gorgeous home....low tip...etc.
True that! All shapes, sizes, people and places. Thanka for sharing.
It goes both ways, unfortunately. I've been tip baited by section 8 housing and by standard residential homes in nicee areas.
Oh the rich are some of the grossest penny pinchers around.
With Spark, I finally decided to only take orders that make sense without the tip. Also, we just got alcohol orders in my area and so far my theory is if a customer has to look you in the eye while you check their ID, they won't pull the tip. Also, I keep a pack of note paper also. Several times I know I protected myself from a bad rating with a handwritten note explaining something.
Thanks for sharing and being here. The alcohol is on the way here as well. 😃
I just screen shot a full conversation i had with spark customers service, and they admitted that customers are allow to bait tip with in 48hrs, exat words. I got robbed pretty much out of $25 in tips yesterday.
Welcome to the circus
I wish I had known of it at that time. (PANDEMIC) It took me a while to even take advantage of delivered groceries to my home. I kept wondering about the job but never asked.
Tip bait is frustrating because you do your best on every delivery, like you said when I saw only orders from the gettos or assisted living neighbors, I either ignore the app, work in food delivery or go home and do something distracting.
Very true!😀
I keep wondering if I am delivering orders that were placed the night before and they couldn't get a delivery then so they remove the tip.
Yeah, those morning orders are sketchy with the tips at times as well.
Yeah I usually take the batched orders with like 8-12 deliveries that way I'm guaranteed the amount showed.
Yeah, batch orders are good but have additonal issues for sure. Thanks for sharing
How hard is it to write down the peoples names that don’t tip correctly? I’m not being a jerk but I read a ton of complaining about the same people that don’t tip? Stop taking their orders!! My goodness, there are “note” apps in EVERY cell phone made, make a list of people that don’t tip or tip bait and just don’t take their orders….. done deal
It's OK. People work thru issues and learn what works for them. Some use apps and some paper and pens. None of it should be required.... and Walmart should fix this 😑
I never judge a trip based on the added tip. Only the pay to deliver. I try to get $2/mile trips. Most of the time that works. I may have to watch the order pop up a few times before the place a demand on it. But also with that. You probably don't wanna be doing spark in something that's only getting like 20ish mpg. Like me I have a 5 speed vibe. The back seat fold down providing a big cargo area
Some good stuff here1 Thanks for sharing
In my market (south of Boston) 19 out of 20 Spark orders are not profitable BECAUSE - there are NO Walmarts in the city of Boston so all the orders come from the Quincy, MA location. 12-14 miles, usually in bumper-to-bumper traffic. These will run you on average 35 minutes to an hour one-way then there’s no chance of another pick up because again there’s no Walmarts in Boston you can try to pick up an Uber ride or maybe a DoorDash but then you got to get sucked into the Boston vortex, it’s rare to find a ride or delivery back to your area. Walmart should have at the very least a warehouse somewhere in Boston. My guess is they’re working on that or maybe I should say my hope. Very rare to get an order under 13 miles - all money losers. All the local orders seem to be handled by Uber Eats and are lowballs ($9.00 for 8 stops over 80 minutes, etc.) It’s an unfortunate situation.
Wow! Yes, everyone has a different perspective and reality. Thanks for sharing 🙂
I have been tip baited. Customer took their $7.00 tip away. I was just left with just delivery pay of $7.39. I delivered items to a 2nd floor apartment with light weight items. Glad I remember to add address to my no delivery list. At least Spark driver was giving out incentives offers, So I was over it. I multi-app and did food deliveries. At least Ubereats only have 1 hour pending on tips.
Had an order that went from 34 dollar tip to a 10 dollar tip.
I don't tip because....
We call those broke boys where im from 😂
Say i understand you're on a fixed budget and can't afford it sir, not all of us have our finances in order 😂😂😂
Kid you not... the order late last night shop and deliver was seven 32 packs of water, six 24 packs of coke, three 24 packs of sprite, two 2 liter bottles of soda and 2 bottles of orange juice and a giant pack of toilet paper... 35 $ order.... but then customer dropped entire tip.... 18$
that happened to me too smh
@@KILLINGTHEMBEATZ1 I contacted them about it happening alot and I've only been doing it for 1.5 weeks. I asked if they make the customers give a valid reason for lowering or removing their tip. They said no and they aren't "allowed" to ask them about either and it's their money they can do what they want. So I said ok so when yall get fined just like DoorDash did die openly allowing your drivers to be tip baited, then good bc you deserve it. They said if they get enough people to complain they can report it and try for change. I'm like enough people? It's been everywhere online for months! Smh...
@@te4389 the tips kinda sucker the driver to take they low orders like 10 miles for 14 dollars but if they add the tip on the order they know drivers will take it.
I don't do heavy lifting items. I always check items before doing them. Thats a lot of water. Any heavier like, customers should store pick up those heavy items.
Do the customers have to confirm the tip later?
I haven't used the user APP in a long time. The way I understand it... They place the tip prior and can adjust (not confirm)either way after completion.
The drivers in my neck of the woods don't deal well with tip baiters. I'm sure there's been a few flat tires the morning after. For me, I screen shot all my deliveries and addresses. When I get tip baited, I add them to a 'no delivery' list. It's about all I can do.
What? Drivers will vandalize a non tipper? That's insane
@@lesbolstad I live in the ghetto. I would never do anything like that.. I was just saying that some drivers might not be as kind.
Yes, not a lot of other options it seems. Thanks for sharing Hector!
I track every order I take and if I don't get the offered tip I mark that address in my little black book and I will never take their order again it's just that simple.
Nicely done ✔ 👏 👍
Do you get penalized for canceling trips?
Not penalized.... but it's best not to do it too much.
Also at Walmart the idiots that work there don’t know what is spark and I had to argue with the self check out clerk and she refused to let me go after I scanned my phone and show her that this is spark and these are the items I shopped for. She has to ask her manager and 20 minutes wasted. Also in NJ they banned bags and they will not give us bags as well. Had to fight for them too. How can you put their groceries on the floor that is another tip withdrawal and bad ratings.
Wow..... IDK what to say about no bags. Wow
With Walmart a multi billion dollar company does not care about drivers. They significantly reduced drivers pay and give customers 24 hours to adjust the tip. Spark is not driver friendly at all, and it meant to take advantage of drivers.
some days are good, some days suck.
Agreed 👍. Thanks for sharing.
"Tip" baiting is fraud. Look up the term "binding estimate". They cannot remove any promised payment that is part the contract's acceptance. It is a crime to do so, for both the customer and application owner's for facilitating the fraud. They are on the hook to pay every cent that is offered to the independant third party contractor who is fullfilling the terms of their contracted offer, including the bid amount.
Best bet for tip baiters is to leave flaming bag of dog poop on door step later on with a generic note from a random spark driver 😂😂😂
And my baiting is usually on the round robins. I don’t trust Spark entirely. Be careful that the trip pay makes sense first. If it’s a nice tip but trash trip amount, beware!
Baiting calmed down in your market or is it still a problem?
I am at the point now where I accept orders based on the “trip” earnings. With the few that I do have that have a tip on it, they have stayed legit lately. But I will never take one that has a really huge tip and very low trip earnings. I’m afraid of it being bait. Spark pay has really dropped this year, which requires even more strategic thinking when accepting orders.
Besides being 30-60 mins late, there is really nothing a driver can do so outrageous to merit a full tip removal, to curb abuse of tip bating, the customer should only be aloud to remove a percentage of an initial upfront tip, say 50%. This would eliminate high tip offers they know they plan to remove, and could always tip in person if they don’t agree to the 50% take back. Some would say this would cause less tipping all around, but I feel it would just make the market honest, and stop bating.
💯 Thanks for sharing!
Came here because my offer is sitting at 35 dollars👀
Shop and deliver?
Someone went ham on ebt that’s what that was
I think so as well.
I've got a black list. Once if fine but if you consistently do it. I'll reject you.
Hmmmmmm. Interesting
You move quick, for shop and deliver. I have to work on moving faster.
Sometimes they throw you a curveball, but overall they are pretty good. Thanks for sharing Toni. 👍
I was wanting to do this. .. not now. Working for shitty people... Hell naw.
Sooo, at first, they didn't even show you that you even had a tip, but when drivers started complaining than they started showing the tips but would turn around and say, oh, the customer may or may not take their tips away???? okay, somebody is keeping these tips, and it don't sound like it's the customers!!! I have been a driver for about 6 months and it just don't add up to me. Why is it up to Walmart Spark whether I get my tips or not? Shouldn't that be up to the customers? And if it's a possibility that the customer may just take the tip back for the hell of it, shouldn't Walmart stop this policy for the sake of their drivers? No! because I believe it's Walmart Spark that is keeping some of our tips. Just think about it.
I don't want to comment about things I cannot prove. Tip transparency isn't as bad with Walmart in my opinion. I believe that many customers pull the tip or never tip at all in some markets. In my market, certain customers are not going to tip. Lots of low income and college people are using the Walmart ➕️ program which = no or low tip.
@@themidwestexpress That's my point. They know we can't prove it. But don't you think they should prove to us drivers that they are not keeping some of our tips by having the customers show prove that they have either confirmed their tips, or show why they took them away? They can at least do that, then we won't be so suspicious of Walmart spark!!
B G, I see your point. However, some people are not right. I remember seeing a video of a doordash driver pounding on a customers door who had her drive 10 miles with no tip. That lady was unhinged..... If Walmart showed us the tip baiting persons info.🤣 It would only be a matter of time before a driver would try to settle the score. 🥺☠️😰 Just protecting their interests of liability. But I do see your perspective and appreciate your input and participation here. 😀
Slipped on ice busted my ribs at the beginning of December still healing still don’t have my rent New Year’s Eve is tomorrow.
Uhhhhg. So sorry 😞. I have had broke ribs.... so can understand. Prayers for a steady recovery and luck going forward. 🙏
Network all the names and addresses! We’re gonna have to come together to put a stop to this shit! Un-Batch the customers that don’t tip or initiate a return they’re not tipping anyway, so you’re not losing money! 😉
That is a interesting play. 🤔
@@themidwestexpress I got all the no tippers, and tip baiters labeled on Google Maps, names and house number. Hehehe 🤭
Tip bait me and your groceries will get to you when it gets to you. Hope you don't have dairy, might be a little warm by the time I drop it off.
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Thank you great positive tips. Yeah we do this praying that the tips don’t get pulled. It is still happening every day. No control over this . It is what it is. I tell you Walmart plus is cheap. For &99 a year and free delivery and no markups at lesst be a good citizen and tip the driver l. These piece of shit sorry I felt they are privileged that they don’t need or feel like tipping for a service. I want to ask you if you call to pick up food for yourself do you tip them? There is a nap restaurant at my area during the pandemic when everything is close for in door dining and after they resume in door dining the owner will ask me to tip 15% of every order for pickup. She has no shame to ask me to tip. I felt obligated to tip 15%. I see people pissed off-that they are not being served why I had to tip so much. If I had my way I want to tip $5. So I just want to get your opinion yes delivery should be tipped. Should pickup also be forced to tip? Thanks have a great weekend.
This sparks another video idea for me.... me and my brother were talking about this one today. Thanks for the input and questions. I honestly don't order.... and if I do, I pick it up myself.
09:04 the food stamps card got loaded via the tax payers. that is how they pay... I used to be a cashier at walmart. also EBT won't let you pay a cash tip.....EBT is food items only....
Great video...
Keep up the great work...
Thanks Freddy
EBT doesn’t pay for delivery. So they can tip using the pay method they used for the delivery service itself, or with non food items.
In short, they can tip
Stay out of the HOOD
I just got tip baited did a shop and deliver order. It legit took me a minute to do the shopping ave delivered well before the time. I just saw they changed tip from 7$ - 1$ what jerks. No issue whatever.
Haha... Yeah... I guess you can't complain about a minute shop. Have a great holiday and Black Friday hustle.
I’m still new. Like a week new to spark. Got a $116 trip. Looked and $94 is the tip 🫤 knew it was too good to be true smh
Made me laugh... because we all fell for it at one time. Thanks for sharing 👍