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- Wait, what does that commander do again? This week, we're talking about our favorite (and least favorite) complex commanders that require a lot of attention and knowledge to play well.
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This vodcast should have a pun counter in the corner.
They should add a "Pun Counter" for each of the guys in post production
Nobody laughed at "siriusly" or at "retrieving" but those were some of the best puns. Good job Matt
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I feel like Joey thought the "pause" was a time joke re: Obeka (judging by his reaction to focus on the time thing with his follow-up), rather than the "paws" pun it actually was, too.
Quite genuinely, I've never found wheel of misfortune that confusing? The wording is weird, in the same way that animate dead is, but in effect: Everyone choose a number. Everyone who chooses the lowest doesn't wheel, everyone else does. Highest takes damage equal to the number chosen.
Yeah it basically reads: if you choose 0 you don't Wheel, but if you choose 1 or more you Wheel.
@@EulogyfortheAngelsno it doesn't. Me and my friends always pay 20-30 life. That's how you really do it
@@Russian_engineer_bmstu If people are only paying 1 life to wheel then wheels get devalued. We have to keep paying 20+ life otherwise the price of wheeling is going to crash.
THE DOG PUNS ALL EPISODE LONG HAVE ME HOWLING!!!! 🤣
Thanks a lot for featuring my challenge Joey, happy to see it was useful :)
I absolutely love today's topic! The thing that blew my mind, I just hadn't thought of it this way, was @4:53 "the more complex the commanders get you sometimes you get decks that are pretty linear. They are asking for really specific cards if the commander is doing a specific thing" and that is something I realize I have pigeon-holed myself into with 4 of my decks. Two of them I have grown quite an affinity to. So I absolutely love complex commanders, and at the moment I have too many complex commanders and looking for simpler commanders to balance things out.
Sometimes less is more too. Something like Omnath Locust of Mana doesn't point in a specific direction, but you can build it as elf tribal, voltron, big mana landfall, you name it.
A simpler one you say? Might I recommend Konda, Lord of Eiganjo.
I love watching Joey's face glow red whenever Matt makes a pun lol
Me: Has 3 decks near completion, which need whittling and tuning.
Also Me: I should dig out Obeka and the Strixhaven Deans...
52:00 Yep... and Moraug gets even more complicated: I've seen player playing a land during they first main phase, expecting to be able to attack twice in a row...
Except, the untap trigger will happen right before their first attack phase (which is their additional one), and not for the second (aka regular) one.
Although they still get 2 attack phases, unless their creature have vigilance, they won't be able to attack twice.
I pilot a Nymris deck. It has forced me to hone my threat assesment, and to learn a lot more about priority and the stack but I truly love it.
Cathar's crusade is terrifying to keep track of when you run a Darien, King of Kjeldor deck, where you create a 1/1 token for every single point of damage you take
They each enter with +1 counters equal to the amount of tokens that just entered, and buff each other group of counters by the same amount...that's easy mode; Now try using it in a Kykar deck, where you're constantly chaining off individual spells that each give you a single spirit!
Watched this the other day then thought of a great one you missed - Cosima, God of the Voyage // The Omenkeel. What a headache.
Breya was my first CEDH deck. Was so fun. I actually love these complex interactions, my favorite part of playing!
I absolutely agree. I have taken her apart recently and I'm starting to feel that creeping regret. My favorite Marvel character is Tony Stark and Breya just gives me those feelings of brilliant ingenuity that I enjoy. I tried Inalla and while wizards is one of my favorite tribes, I feel the creatures don't provide a lot of value on their own. Even with Inalla it's just a bit underwhelming to me lately.
I made Nicol Bolas and I love Grixis control. I had a modern deck for a while that did that. While it is what I currently have and enjoy, I hear those delightful siren calls from Breya, pulling me in to rebuild her and make her my main deck for all eternity.
@@Tae_Grixis the meta has changed so much, just going back to 4 color toolbox could be great! I’ve been running Thar Meta Buster but he doesn’t do well as Naus and storm lists are becoming less popular.
When you say Thar, do you mean Ruric Thar? My three favorite styles are artifacts, control and spellslinger.
@@Tae_Grixis Exactly! He punishes people for playing unfair magic, every spell counts! But I've had a T1 Thar going first and decks can combo through it, the meta has really shifted. People can work through Stax now pretty easily.
Rocco, cabaeretti caterer can either be super duper complex, or the simplest commander ever, depending on how you build it, lots of fun either way
A video with simple Cmdrs would be greatly appreciated. Also, I would love a video of Cmdrs that use builds that go against what it's colors typically do. For example, a Spell slingers deck that isn't Izzet or artifacts deck that isn't Esper.
For spellslingers Auntie Wort says Hi^^
Artifacts: Monored (Bosh, Daretti), Izzet (Brudiclad, Jhoira), Monoblue (Urza, Emry) and Boros (Osgir)
It doesn't really feel like Mutt threw Joey a bone. At least he didn't make him turn tail; he really got dogpiled with all those puns. This TH-cam kennel really is going to the dogs.
I made them all up myself. I bet some ancestor out there is proud of me.
I bet some ancestor went like 'Good boy!' ;)
Knowledge Pool is just a pain to keep track of all the spells that get exiled with the darn thing.
Eye of the Storm can also get out of hand
@@crovax1375 At least with Knowledge Pool it's one at a time. Eye of the Storm is Knowledge Pool cranked to batshit crazy levels. You're in blue, then factor in ramp and removal, and suddenly you're looking at an easy dozen plus spells to resolve... every time someone so much as path to exiles something. >
You guys are a hoot. One deck that I have that is complex is a CEDH Teshar deck. If I go a while without playing it, I 100% forget how all of the combos work.
One of these days Joey's going to have a dad joke induced aneurysm.
Obeka was my first commander I built from ordered singles instead of building from cards I already own.
If you give an opponent Lich's Tomb, if that opponent has even more permanents they don't down. Yeah they discard a bunch of cards and lose some life. They can use that ability to their advantage by additionally sacrifice those other permanents you gave them.
Oath of Lim-Dul is the better option for this effect even if the opponent can produce black mana
Since Blim came up in the challenge the stats segment I'd like to say that Sneak Attack is a great way to cheat in bad gift creatures that can be donated for a single mana
I just found this channel... OMG ... great content and the on the fly wit and humor is amazing!
The individual parts of Chains of Mephistopheles are easy enough to follow, it just has so many steps involved you need a flow chart to follow the darn thing.
Arugh! Joey! Now the song is stuck in my head! Well played sir!
The commanders you don't play 3 - 8 beers in!
This! I shelf my Breya and Birgi decks if drinks are involved.
Im currently building a Cromat mutate deck. Just building it gives me a headache but I know I'll have a lot of fun once it's built and I get the reps in with it.
There's two izzet commanders I want to mention. I played against a newer player playing Balmor, Battlemage Captain, combined with young pyromancer effects it is such a pain to keep track of how big which creatures are. Just last week, I also played a newer player who built krark and sakashima. There's way too much going on in how to stack everything and what to select with topdeck manipulation like ponder and brainstorm etc. that he ended up buying a simpler smashy precon right then and there. He was learning quickly though, i hope he will come back to his coinflipping deck at some point, he'll be a good player soon.
I always loved Mairsil, as my most complicated deck, always thinking a lot before doing a bunch of tricky things during each player’s turn, it was and it’s still a great pleasure to play it
how am I supposed to pay attention to a complicated topic with y'all chasing pappy puns?
genuinely enjoyable to see how much fun you have together.
Also I have Cathars Crusade in my Rin & Seri and yeah it gets insane pretty quick. I added anointed precession and it gets even crazier.
I've been fine tuning my Mishra deck for a while now, so good to hear someone other than me talk about him! Do a video on mishra!!!
I'm definitely putting Reckless Impulse in my Lalilalalila deck, cheers Matt 🥳
I think I counted 5 different pronunciations! 😂😂 Lay-lee-a, Matt. 👍👍
This is a blast. You are good boys!
This episode give of major “no more rhyming and I mean it” “does anybody want a peanut” energy haha
I was building Riku when Strixhaven came out. The number of Magecraft cards I had to take out - when combined with Storm, Cascade, etc ... Gets so complicated so fast
Glissa the Traitor was my 1st commander deck I built, it's so fun. Ran it in 2014
I have a codie, the vociferous codex deck. Finding exactly what direction to go was the hard part. I settled on trying to switch my life total with my opponents then use a burn spell to finish them off
I listened to the podcast on my walk, and when i got home I had to watch the vod to see all the reactions to the puns. I think your all in the dog house now.
No joke I did a little fist pump when I saw the notification for this podcast
One of the most headache card I can think of is Coat of arms... So hard to keep track, it makes me wanna shuffle all the time.
I love this podcast. So great to listen to at work. I think the only thing that will end this show is when Joey’s head finally explodes from the overload of dad jokes
Believe it or not but I've found that Edgar Markov can get complicated very quickly; or at least his deck can. Sure he himself just makes a 1/1 vamp each time you cast a vampire spell but when you have all these different ETBs and effects and counters and everything happening at once it can start to get hard to keep track of it all.
Illusionary Mask, I'll grant you. The text and rules on THAT one are so convoluted I'd be willing to bet it gives most judges migraines.
I once accidentally added a full Stax lockdown in my Mishra Deck, all it took was Possibility Storm and Void Mirror. I never thought of using them simultaneously, but combine both and the game is OVER. x')
Not sure where to ask this, but I was thinking of putting Ebon Praetor in my Hapatra deck. It seems like it would register as 2 -1/-1 counters but I have no idea if it would actually work.
Also along those lines I'm wondering how those more obscure counters would interact with literally anything that cares about -1/-1 or +1/+1 counters. Frankenstein's Monster would probably be the most obvious example of these sort of counters.
Yes, MTG has a card called Frankenstein's Monster. And yes, it's THE Frankenstein's Monster.
Seemed a good place to ask since Dana has a penchant for digging up old, obscure cards.
wait, so you don't get to play sorcery speed cards after the additional draw phase with sphinx of the second sun?
Think of it like this: as long as Sphinx of the Second Sun is in play at the beginning of your second main phase, you get an additional beginning phase after it. So you get your normal 2nd main, then an addition beginning, then the end step.
@@zaghilol so you arent teading your second main for an additional beginning phase, you get the draw AFTER second main?
@@codelicious6590 Starting at End of Combat, you will then have your 2nd Main, followed by Untap, Upkeep, Draw, End Step.
@@codelicious6590 yeah, it's written on the card... I didn't notice, it does say "at the start" but then it says "after this phase".. I always did it wrong and even won games by playing creatures after untapping lands and drawing... guess I now know why it's not a 20 dollar card :P, anyway still perfect in my rashmi control and kenrith decks since I can use the mana at instant speed
@@codelicious6590 beginning of postcombat: sphinx trigger goes on the stack. responses. main2. beginning2. endstep.
As always, here for Matt's reaction to Dana's jokes. Never disappoints.
Once I built an Breya deck, it was focused on bringing in the most artifacts that I can to the battlefield as cheap as possible, and then when I went to test it there was an infinite combo there that I haven't seen
Jeskai Ascendancy+Tezzeret WAR
and there was another one
Edit: wrong planeswalker
Were you just bouncing Felidar Guardian or something similar? Cause it doesn't loop without a blink effect and some mana dorks (or March of the Machines and some rocks) as far as I can tell.
@@GrimoireM I don't remember now, but I think it was with artifact creatures, also I just noticed that I made a mistake, it isn't Teferi it is Tezzeret lol
But I did had Teferi WAR on the deck aswell, so there was another almost infinite combo, lol
I was trying to avoid infinite combos in my Breya deck, and I found that the key for that was taking Ashnod's Altar out. That thing goes infinite with almost anything, it's just crazy
I've personally had issues with Moraug because the player using it played all of their lands in the first main phase, but still attempted to use their regular attack while they should've been tapped down.
15:45. Mishra doesn’t prevent your stuff from being countered. Your opponents let the search ability resolve and then counter the spell
My first hand-crafted EDH deck was a Breya deck and I can confirm you will find some of the jankiest combos that exist and it's AWESOME.
with Mairsil, i put them in one pile, once i use them i flip them over and when the turn ends i put them the right way up.
with Blim, replace Lich's Tomb with Oath of Lim Dul, it does the same thing, but they are not allowed to sacrifice it.
Interesting interaction with Wheel of Misfortune. If your opponent casts Wheel and you have either Deflecting Palm or Comeuppance in hand to play, you can kill the wheel player. You don't choose a number until Wheel resolves. If your opponents allow your Deflecting Palm or Comeuppance to resolve first (targeting Wheel's ability) then whatever number you then choose, if it's the highest number, the wheel player will take that much damage. Choose something ridiculous like 999trillion and they will take 999 trillion damage
I'm kind of sad there wasn't a beat of silence where someone looked straight at the camera and just said "Woof".
On topic, I would like to shout out Winota, Joiner of Forces as being a complicated commander, specifically if built with humans that create non-human tokens. One attack step can be 4 Winota triggers, which bring in 4 token makers which trigger, and stuff gets crazy.
I love how much of a little boy Joey can be when it comes to dad jokes. Never change, Joey.
The dog puns! it was just like the bread puns in the stream chat on wednesday
My breya deck is quite simple. its litteraly just make treasures and sit on a pile of gold like a dragon while everyone kills everyone (including you!)
I don't really run complex Commanders it would seem, maybe OG Multani is the most complex, since it's Voltron that starts out with Shroud, and uses group hug to grow bigger. It's not an especially complex deck (big beaters hitting people is not rocket science), but I think it's probably the most counter-intuitive of my decks. Many of my decks are complex in practice, but usually because they are crawling with self-synergy and thus can surprise me sometimes. This is more of a beginner problem I suspect, where more experience will lead to fewer (but more entertaining) surprises.
Funny about Cathar's Crusade being too much work to bother with, even if it's technically a good card, I suspect that's probably a big part of why I ended up removing Mazirek from my Meren deck, it usually won if it came out, but tracking all the counters was not fun. Good card, but not what I was trying to do with the deck ultimately. I think I ended up with Visara the Dreadful in his place, fits the Vorthos of strong women better while offering a way to interact with creatures. Sometimes I want Ravenous Chupacabra for immediate results, but sometimes I need the real deal, a repeated 'no strings attached tap to kill' effect on a 5/5.
Has the volume got louder recently? Can't see a way to make it quieter either, already have it on the lowest volume and it's too loud to listen to at night, but it was fine a few weeks ago
I love the prismari commander Zaffai. The only problem is completing your turn before the other person gets bored lol.
I don't know if it's just me, but I find Dead Ringers and Chain of Mephistopholes quite easy to understand - a lot of the others are very complex to follow and play out, but "If you would draw, you loot instead (or mill 1 and draw if you have no cards in hand)" and "Destroy two nonblack creatures that are the same colours" both feel very... comprehensible?
Not me shouting at my screen “YOU CAN’T TEACH AN OLD DANA NEW TRICKS” repeatedly until Joey heard me…
If you think the strixhaven commands have a lot of text try reading any yugioh card.
I have a mairsil deck. It was my favorite deck to build. Playing it can be complicated though.
Good info! Thank you. My sides are maSTIFF from laughter with all those puns haha
Don't worry Joey, at least some of us laughed at the Encanto joke 😌 that song lives rent free in my head
I'd argue the reason Breya seems so complicated is mostly her edhrec page. There are a lot of combos on her page. Just craming all of them into one deck without thinking about them much can lead to a lot of times where you don't know what you should cast. Focusing on 1 or 2 combos specifically and building the deck to support them, things become a lot clearer.
Oh I've been playing sphinx of the second sun wrong this whole time
"I already used that you goober" 🤣 🤣 🤣
Nymris plays like my kalamax. I can't ever sleep if I have any instants in hand
Ok I gotta know.. what’s the intro music?! That’s so awesome!!
When i saw the title of this vid, the first thing that popped into my head was, Experiment Kraj.
I'm not sure if Matt even noticed himself with the 'track' pun after the 'retrieving' pun lol. 22:27
Could you do an UPPING THE AVERAGE on "Ruxa Patient Professor". Its o unique it would be awesome to see what you do to it
I have a Grist insect tribal deck, and I refuse to run Mazierek because I actually want to die when he's in play.
Joey.exe has stop working....dog dad joke overload
Cathars crusade is amazing but I will never run it because I don’t want to keep track of it
48:52 Those are two of my commander decks.
Joey un"leashed" his inner dad!
wait, Dana doesn't like banding?
I've always found your intro music sounds very Final Fantasy 9 - is this intentional? Awesome either way, cheers :)
Faces of the past will be great in Phenax's Petitioners
the puns where PURRfect
Had to stop halfway through this one, just way to much complexities for a new commander player. They're just barking up the wrong tree
Some of the puns in this were ruff.
Another commander that loves reckless impulse is Bell Borca
Matt is gonna break Joey soon. 🤣
Could you make a Glissa Upping the Average episode?
I dont know how I missed this episode, but Dana's opening joke was a groaner
faces of the past going in my mistform ultimus deck lmfao
Familiar is a CAT pun silly^^
Don’t fly too close to the sun Icarus.
LMAO these jokes man... I'd watch this podcast even if I didn't play Magic
How long till matt and Dana kill joey with their jokes
Joey's face was so red
command zone crew editing this should have had a drinking game for every time a dog / dad joke landed
I'm having some "electricity puns" flashbacks
That must be rather jolting.
I’m glad the hosts were having fun with those dog puns, but it started to make the podcast ruff to listen to over time.