Dude you saved my life, I was so embarrassed by my lagging performance in dungeons in demo spec, now I'm doing so much burst dps, normal mobs die in seconds 😁
@@Shannendetro yeah I made this comment during TBC and before lvl70 so I didn't even have seed of corruption, Affliction is the way to go now apparently for levelling and demo for aoe in dungeons
For the weakaura I would suggest adding a glow or something to the Immolate timer to show when you can cast it without clipping. The cast time on your Immolate will be changing with all the haste procs. If you just cast it again when the timer is somewhere between 2 and 1 seconds left then you'll probably clip it and clipping is really bad. Have a weakaura that calculates the current cast time of Immolate based on your current haste and adjust based on that
You wanna link it? Because IDK how to make WA's like that. But also you can just not clip it. Extend out more. I think a WA glowing for that would be hard since the Haste values will change constantly. Unless it like auto updates the WA? IDK, but yeah sounds dope if you have.
Another educational video. Also, if I may suggest... /cast [mod:alt,target=focus,harm] [mod:alt, target=focustarget, harm] [@mouseover,harm] [harm] [@targettarget,harm] [] Curse of Agony That is what I use; it adds more options.
@@mk177 Pardon me, but would you please reword that question so that it's grammatically correct? I don't understand the question and/or what you are asking for.
i’m super new to classic wotlk. currently leveling and just got to 30. is destro viable for leveling? currently using affliction but destro is my favorite style and lore wise
I personally find destruction to be so AMAZING for a long time for consistent burst damage. I played Destro and refused to do affliction or demonology. I did affliction sometimes for specific fights only. Otherwise, Destro!!
Destro is great in raids, but imo, demonology gameplay is much more fun. When you turn into a demon and have those nice abilities, a charge and an immolate aura, DAYUM SON, that is badass! It like having a transformation from DBZ. I love popping my meta during tough mob fights or at bosses and burning them down with that nice 20% dmg buff. Its only 2m cd so you can use it quite often, once every 3 fights. Immolation is your most powerful AOE and also he does great on single target with fire spells with that MC proc. Its also great for survival when doing daily quests and people attack you in open world. Had a rogue attack me, i put my dots on him, he used cloak, then i turned into a demon and put on my immo aura and burned him out of stealth, then we fought in melee until his face melted from all my fire damage and dots. Then i /roar at him. Gotta have a macro with the /roar emote if you play demo. XD But yeah, destro is better for raid bosses because i has more consistent dmg. Still any warlok should try demo at least once, for the fun of turning into a freakin demon! :)
if you mention it then i missed it but what about Soul Fire? have you try including it in the rotation? like with backdraft cast speed, is it worth more doing chaos + incinerate x2?
great work buddy. i think you missed immolate glyph on lvl 80. its not only 10% immolate dmg, it also pushes conflag dmg cause conflag scales with immolate dmg. immolate glyph is more dmg gain than incinerate or chaosbolt glyph.
I accidentally cut it out when I was editing. Didn't notice it until a couple of you said so. I actually prefer Immo Dung and Imp Raid, but must've slipped and edited it out.
I've been testing out using Soul fire for Backdraft procs and it seems to do more dmg, obviously you're limited by shards and if you can get the cast off but overall its doing more. Thoughts?
@@audiofun1 From what i can tell, getting an empowered Imp proc while backdraft is active is doing more damage that just spamming incinerate bc of the auto crit.
I go sf, cb, sf or if cb is on cd then I use 3 sf. It's pretty fun just shard mobs and then own them on the boss in the dungeons. Very fun way to play!
@@CrixGuides why would you want to apply a corruption with less spell power? Or are you saying that the corruption just falls off? If that is the case, why not just increase duration by 18 (16.5) seconds of the current corruption spell
@@alexdillon3152 you aware that sometime you have spell damage procs? Alot of the times people have trinkets or set bonuses that empower you for a short amount of time therefore when you apply a dot with these buffs up then it’s more powerful and when the proc falls off your next dot won’t be as strong
@@alexdillon3152 I'm stoned, i'll try to explain it: Corruption doesn't snapshot Spell Power, however it does snapshot Crit and % Dmg increases like Death's Embrace, Curse of Elements, Tricks of the Trade, etc and there will be times when you need to apply a NEW Corruption to re snap it and you won't be able to because the Corr is lower Spell Power. Example: If you prepot a Potion of Wild Magic, then do your opener and put your Corruption up, that Corr will have the 200SP & Crit from the potion. Then at 35% HP, you need to reapply a Corruption because of Deaths Embrace but since the corruption is lower Spell Power than that one you put up when you had Wild Magic up, you won't be able apply this Corruption at 35%. Pretty much just means at anytime you need to apply a corruption to snap the Crit or % dmg, you need to let your Corr fall off or Seed once then Corr back, etc
I play Destro and do decent damage in TBC. Lot of ppl in guild are saying affliction is going to be the needed spec in WOTLK. Are Destro being neutered here? What's the opinion, can we still play destro and do acceptable raid damage? We already have two affliction locks why make another. I play shadow but everything I'm finding online is saying fire destro. Don't mind changing to fire as long as it burns down bosses.
Destro is very good and BiS on some fights. Here's some logs on a Destro Naxx run I did. Mistakes were made and can do even better than that. classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TKbcBVZF9vxwfNt4#boss=-3&difficulty=0&type=damage-done
@@CrixGuides Checked out the raid logs. Nice damage. I'm seeing so much about destro doing poorly and people don't want us in their raids going into Wrath. I want to prove them wrong :) Also do know if Icy will have a Wrath Destro guide soon. I like their talent trees and rotations. Your shadowbolt pumper talent did amazing increases.
@@jesusninja2401 You can definitely prove them wrong. It's as strong, if not stronger than Affliction. I will have the Destro guide out soon! Workin hard on them this week.
it's huge. instead of immo conflag immo then rotation it's immo conflag rotation. That extra cast time over a length of time really stacks up especially as you're getting zero immo ticks per conflag without the glyph.
When do you properly use spell and firestones? I just hit 62 and from what I was reading on them in the description it didn't seem like they were any better than having a wand. Also what would you suggest as a spec the level 60 to 80? Thank you
I've been playing destro while leveling, now I hit 80 I still prefer it in HC's. Affli and Demo will probably be better in raids, but other than that I feel like destro is much better atm
A couple of things. Desto isnt a burst spec, its bursty but its consistent damage. It has no cds or exacutes. Secondly. Glyph of immolate is much better than glyph of imp. 10% more damage on immolate that directly converts into 10% conflag damage as well. Third, please for the love of god make your explanation of rotation make sense. The spec is a joke when it comes to difficulty. Its as simple as this, excluding curses (Maintain Immolate, conflag on cd, Chaos bolt on cd, Fill with incinerates) You dont need to make it so word jumbled. When you are teaching someone who is 100% new to something, you NEED to reduce the amount of words used to properly convey information they can effectively comprehend. Things like your Port shouldnt be in the portion labeled "rotation".
Destro has a strong start, but in the end it will be a scuffed fire mage with close to no support. Demo on the other hand has the best sp buff in the game and will also outgun destro more and more the deeper you go into the expansion.
Id still stay destro untill ICC drops tho, maybe have an demo/affli OS. Destro is insane even in ICC but as mentioned demo/affli pulls ahead once we get higher ilvls.
I accidentally cut it out when I was editing. Didn't notice it until a couple of you said so. I actually prefer Immo Dung and Imp Raid, but must've slipped and edited it out.
I personally find destruction to be so AMAZING for a long time for consistent burst damage. I played Destro and refused to do affliction or demonology. I did affliction sometimes for specific fights only. Otherwise, Destro!!
Dude you saved my life, I was so embarrassed by my lagging performance in dungeons in demo spec, now I'm doing so much burst dps, normal mobs die in seconds 😁
If you were doing bad damage as demo you were playing it wrong... Destro is good, way undervalued as a spec, demo is good tho as well.
@@Shannendetro yeah I made this comment during TBC and before lvl70 so I didn't even have seed of corruption, Affliction is the way to go now apparently for levelling and demo for aoe in dungeons
@@itsoktoberight4431 Destro is still strong with leveling, cant multi pull but strong single target time to kill
For the weakaura I would suggest adding a glow or something to the Immolate timer to show when you can cast it without clipping. The cast time on your Immolate will be changing with all the haste procs. If you just cast it again when the timer is somewhere between 2 and 1 seconds left then you'll probably clip it and clipping is really bad. Have a weakaura that calculates the current cast time of Immolate based on your current haste and adjust based on that
You wanna link it? Because IDK how to make WA's like that. But also you can just not clip it. Extend out more. I think a WA glowing for that would be hard since the Haste values will change constantly. Unless it like auto updates the WA? IDK, but yeah sounds dope if you have.
Another educational video. Also, if I may suggest...
/cast [mod:alt,target=focus,harm] [mod:alt, target=focustarget, harm] [@mouseover,harm] [harm] [@targettarget,harm] [] Curse of Agony
That is what I use; it adds more options.
Thank you so much!
@@CrixGuides You are welcomed! I am just trying to give back to the World of Warcraft Community!
When alt modifier put curse of agony on your focus’s target ?
@@mk177 Pardon me, but would you please reword that question so that it's grammatically correct? I don't understand the question and/or what you are asking for.
@@PaleMist trying to understand how macro works -> when modded (alt) does it put agony on the focus’s target ?
Are you going to do one on the demo / destro hybrid? ... can you compare the dps between the different specs on a target dummy?
this is what I actually came here for, hope he does one!
You should get 3 points in improved imp. Firebolt does a lot of damage (especially as you take glyph of imp, demonic power and empowered imp)
Great guide, thank you. Gave a Sub and a Like!
This is what all the gigachads have been waiting for.
i’m super new to classic wotlk. currently leveling and just got to 30. is destro viable for leveling? currently using affliction but destro is my favorite style and lore wise
Glyph of Immo was supposed to be listed in there as well, I accidentally cut it out when I was editing
These videos are amazing! Well done :D
Thank you!
Hey crix any idea why my backdraft proc isn’t showing up on the WA dots and everything else is but not the procs
I personally find destruction to be so AMAZING for a long time for consistent burst damage. I played Destro and refused to do affliction or demonology. I did affliction sometimes for specific fights only. Otherwise, Destro!!
Destro is great in raids, but imo, demonology gameplay is much more fun. When you turn into a demon and have those nice abilities, a charge and an immolate aura, DAYUM SON, that is badass! It like having a transformation from DBZ. I love popping my meta during tough mob fights or at bosses and burning them down with that nice 20% dmg buff. Its only 2m cd so you can use it quite often, once every 3 fights. Immolation is your most powerful AOE and also he does great on single target with fire spells with that MC proc. Its also great for survival when doing daily quests and people attack you in open world. Had a rogue attack me, i put my dots on him, he used cloak, then i turned into a demon and put on my immo aura and burned him out of stealth, then we fought in melee until his face melted from all my fire damage and dots. Then i /roar at him. Gotta have a macro with the /roar emote if you play demo. XD
But yeah, destro is better for raid bosses because i has more consistent dmg. Still any warlok should try demo at least once, for the fun of turning into a freakin demon! :)
if you mention it then i missed it but what about Soul Fire? have you try including it in the rotation? like with backdraft cast speed, is it worth more doing chaos + incinerate x2?
Is it possible to learn Inferno from the class trainer or do you still have to do the Quest?
I'm pretty sure it's quest
great work buddy. i think you missed immolate glyph on lvl 80. its not only 10% immolate dmg, it also pushes conflag dmg cause conflag scales with immolate dmg. immolate glyph is more dmg gain than incinerate or chaosbolt glyph.
I accidentally cut it out when I was editing. Didn't notice it until a couple of you said so. I actually prefer Immo Dung and Imp Raid, but must've slipped and edited it out.
Honestly for the destro spec the best are: life tap / immolate / imp
I mean, glyph of life tap, can't leave home without it...
Are there simulations out, yet, that compare the potential damage output of all the specs?
There are some but they're still in progress. Wowsims is one
@@cyanophage4351 Thanks
I've been testing out using Soul fire for Backdraft procs and it seems to do more dmg, obviously you're limited by shards and if you can get the cast off but overall its doing more. Thoughts?
interested in knowing more about this
@@audiofun1 From what i can tell, getting an empowered Imp proc while backdraft is active is doing more damage that just spamming incinerate bc of the auto crit.
I go sf, cb, sf or if cb is on cd then I use 3 sf. It's pretty fun just shard mobs and then own them on the boss in the dungeons. Very fun way to play!
sir , sir , SIRRRRR i thought i said no more videos now im reallllllllly torn :(
not gonna lie man...all 3 spec's look fun in wrath
Mannnnnn. They're all so much fun.
Consider this too -> chain fears are fun but dazing a warrior about to charge -> priceless
Will you do a vid on demo next ! Great video btw
He already did
Done! th-cam.com/video/yxXlw4C05XE/w-d-xo.html&t=
This dude is like the warlock version of the micromachines guy
The diablo guy? I appreciate that. He's dope
What glyphs u use ? Coz in the video u didn't use life tap glyph
How do you feel about long term destro raiding 25m/25m HC? Do you think it can keep up?
Yes!!!! I really do.
fuuck, I might have to main my warlock in wrath jeez this looks fun.
Did they fix the corruption refresh problem for affliction warlock build?
Yes, but also created another issue. We can't reapply Corruption if its lower Spell Power than the one thats on the target. Hopefully they fix it.
@@CrixGuides why would you want to apply a corruption with less spell power? Or are you saying that the corruption just falls off? If that is the case, why not just increase duration by 18 (16.5) seconds of the current corruption spell
@@CrixGuides keep up the great work!
@@alexdillon3152 you aware that sometime you have spell damage procs? Alot of the times people have trinkets or set bonuses that empower you for a short amount of time therefore when you apply a dot with these buffs up then it’s more powerful and when the proc falls off your next dot won’t be as strong
@@alexdillon3152 I'm stoned, i'll try to explain it: Corruption doesn't snapshot Spell Power, however it does snapshot Crit and % Dmg increases like Death's Embrace, Curse of Elements, Tricks of the Trade, etc and there will be times when you need to apply a NEW Corruption to re snap it and you won't be able to because the Corr is lower Spell Power.
Example: If you prepot a Potion of Wild Magic, then do your opener and put your Corruption up, that Corr will have the 200SP & Crit from the potion. Then at 35% HP, you need to reapply a Corruption because of Deaths Embrace but since the corruption is lower Spell Power than that one you put up when you had Wild Magic up, you won't be able apply this Corruption at 35%.
Pretty much just means at anytime you need to apply a corruption to snap the Crit or % dmg, you need to let your Corr fall off or Seed once then Corr back, etc
I play Destro and do decent damage in TBC. Lot of ppl in guild are saying affliction is going to be the needed spec in WOTLK. Are Destro being neutered here? What's the opinion, can we still play destro and do acceptable raid damage? We already have two affliction locks why make another. I play shadow but everything I'm finding online is saying fire destro. Don't mind changing to fire as long as it burns down bosses.
Destro is very good and BiS on some fights. Here's some logs on a Destro Naxx run I did. Mistakes were made and can do even better than that.
classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TKbcBVZF9vxwfNt4#boss=-3&difficulty=0&type=damage-done
@@CrixGuides Thx Crix I'll check them out. Love Destro it goes boom! LOL
@@CrixGuides Checked out the raid logs. Nice damage. I'm seeing so much about destro doing poorly and people don't want us in their raids going into Wrath. I want to prove them wrong :) Also do know if Icy will have a Wrath Destro guide soon. I like their talent trees and rotations. Your shadowbolt pumper talent did amazing increases.
@@jesusninja2401 You can definitely prove them wrong. It's as strong, if not stronger than Affliction. I will have the Destro guide out soon! Workin hard on them this week.
@@CrixGuides Thank you for all the hard work you do. We do appreciate it so much! Is it going to be on Icy or a video here? I'll check both.
great video thx ! btw chaos bolt can get partial resist I have a SC of that from pre-patch ptr at least
It can! Thank you so much. It's supposed to be unresistable. I wonder if it's a bug or normal
Crix content = best content there is for Wrath
You the mannnn thanks
how much of a game changer is the glyph of conflag?
it's huge. instead of immo conflag immo then rotation it's immo conflag rotation. That extra cast time over a length of time really stacks up especially as you're getting zero immo ticks per conflag without the glyph.
The biggest glyph for Destro. Daniel stated why, but yeah it's pretty OP
@@drmwatson15 then is it even a point to casting it on trash?
Damage and lots of it,haste buff,execute,mobs Goin to do before you get another immo tick etc
Hey Crix, i have a swp t6 lock. Wich Talentbuild sould i play with the pre patch.
I won't know which is BiS until I'm in there. But I love Aff and it's been pumping based off what I've seen others do on PTR
Great guides man =)
Thanks homie
What is the rolling spell addon you're running?
It's called Spell Replay
@@CrixGuides Thank you!
Was there a change to backdraft not affecting rain of fire? I thought i saw it working on beta.
Nah it wasn't Sadly
When do you properly use spell and firestones? I just hit 62 and from what I was reading on them in the description it didn't seem like they were any better than having a wand. Also what would you suggest as a spec the level 60 to 80? Thank you
The stones are used like weapon oil. You don't equip them.
Is there no real self-heal with this spec? Like how Siphon life works?
Dam this rotation looks fun! Gonna have to the next week in naxx. Bro , what weak auro do you use? All the best big boss Crix
Yo my b I see it in the description. Peace man th for the content
So do destruction warlocks want the spell stone applied or the firestone?
Nah you want to Firestone my friend
@@CrixGuides thanks! Wasn't sure if haste is still king
@@CrixGuides Doesn't firestone replace the wand? What if wand has stats you need? Or does the stone outweigh any of that?
Destro looks so fun
Man its so much fun.
I've been playing destro while leveling, now I hit 80 I still prefer it in HC's. Affli and Demo will probably be better in raids, but other than that I feel like destro is much better atm
Could you share your elvui profile from the last section of the video?
pastebin.com/zD9z1vwx There you go!
will destro locks struggle with mana a lot?
Why doesn't his conflag consume his Immo? ^^
I heard that with this skill the imp should run out of mana quickly without draining an improved soul
A couple of things. Desto isnt a burst spec, its bursty but its consistent damage. It has no cds or exacutes. Secondly. Glyph of immolate is much better than glyph of imp. 10% more damage on immolate that directly converts into 10% conflag damage as well. Third, please for the love of god make your explanation of rotation make sense. The spec is a joke when it comes to difficulty. Its as simple as this, excluding curses (Maintain Immolate, conflag on cd, Chaos bolt on cd, Fill with incinerates) You dont need to make it so word jumbled. When you are teaching someone who is 100% new to something, you NEED to reduce the amount of words used to properly convey information they can effectively comprehend. Things like your Port shouldnt be in the portion labeled "rotation".
Informative video, but you speak too quickly. Seems like you're trying to rush through the video and it's difficult to keep up.
Nahh dawg, I just talk fast af.
@@CrixGuides haha, true that. I had to listen at 85%.
@@glue38
you can pass link of bunny gif pls
what ranks of life tap are u using?
R3 and max!
What if I hate imp with all my heart and I was a big fan of demonic sacrifice?. Then I'm gonna play without imp and demon talents, fuck it
Destro has a strong start, but in the end it will be a scuffed fire mage with close to no support. Demo on the other hand has the best sp buff in the game and will also outgun destro more and more the deeper you go into the expansion.
Yea we’ve established that already my man 🫡
Id still stay destro untill ICC drops tho, maybe have an demo/affli OS. Destro is insane even in ICC but as mentioned demo/affli pulls ahead once we get higher ilvls.
u sleepin on glyph of immolate dawg buffs conflag dmg too
I accidentally cut it out when I was editing. Didn't notice it until a couple of you said so. I actually prefer Immo Dung and Imp Raid, but must've slipped and edited it out.
damn man dont burn yourself out on the beta
not prepatch
Poor video, pretty much disagree with 80% of the info
I'm sorry that you disagree. Four months later and the information is still correct my friend.
It sounds like you open your mouth only about 15% when you talk mumbling
I personally find destruction to be so AMAZING for a long time for consistent burst damage. I played Destro and refused to do affliction or demonology. I did affliction sometimes for specific fights only. Otherwise, Destro!!
Me too! It's my favorite part!
Same here. Went Affliction on the advice of an officer in guild. Lost two thirds of my damage. Went back to destro and get top damage during raids.