I’m an ex-proshipper and I definitely did it due to SEVERE trauma, I am now in therapy and have better coping mechanisms now! I AM PRO-RECOVERY and ANTI-HARASSMENT. You CAN get better, and harassing people only makes their mental health worse, which can lead to them being more heavily reliant on toxic coping mechanisms. About interacting with proshippers: Explain to them how proshipping is harmful without attacking them directly. Then do not interact with their content. If a proshipper starts harassing you, block and report them! Easy as that. I love y’all!! /platonic
the worst part is that they usually do that to children's media. if a child comes across this type of shit and has other people telling them that it's ok, they'll gradually learn that the type of behavior displayed in proships is "normal" and "shouldn't be a problem", leading to them either becoming the next victim or the next abuser, or even both. fiction *does* affect reality; if you display something and treat it a certain way, there are people who are going to start thinking that way because of that. one good example that comes off the top of my head is representation of autism in media: most known autistic characters are portrayed a certain way and therefore most people now think that autistic people are either completely dependant or are Sheldons. the point is, proshipping is actively harmful and leads to more victims.
proshipping should never be endorsed, Here's everything that counts as proshipping: Child x Teen Child x Adult Sibling x Sibling Pet x Adult Victim x Person who made them a victim Child x Pet Teen x Pet stay safe, yall. (If u don't know if it is proshipping, google the ages of the characters..)
Remember when rage bait use to be saying “I like pineapple on pizza” but now it’s just mostly about people saying they want to get gr-00-med or about 🍇
@@soxraya ''i want to get graped!'' then thats just... seggs? because youre technically kinda consenting here?? i dont get why people even say this for ragebait honestly
finally some1 who agrees w/ me. i do not care if its a coping mechanism, FIND OTHERS AND DONT POST IT ONLINE. like if ur gonna proship, do it in your own time, offline, and do NOT POST IT!! i aint wanna see that
It's so weird how people act like fiction doesn't affect reality. Fiction can, and does, affect it. It spreads characters, stories, legends, messages, dynamics, symbols, etc. that we are very likely able to see in real life, even if it's not exaggerated to the extent it does in fiction. This ties in to the coping mechanism argument too. You can't say "Oh, it's just fictional. It's not like it's real or anything." when you quite literally intend for it to affect something that is. Also, enjoying something doesn't automatically make it a healthy way to cope. It just means you enjoy it and that's it - you can't conflate it with a term just so you're able to justify your actions. And no therapist would recommend letting out intrusive thoughts because the whole point of an intrusive thought is that they force their way in there - they're the thoughts you DON'T want to have yet have anyways.
i think proshippers think that this behavior is normal, because theyve been manipulated by their gr00mers or whoever they were a victim of into thinking that what was happening to them is normal, especially since a lot of them are children, and they have a hard time recovering from it, thats why kids need to know who to reach out to if it ever happens to them
I hate proshipping and like bro the proshippers need to leave MLP alone 😭 And the excuses are always “oh im coping” NO YOU ARE NOT. I’ve been SA’ed and bullied and I feel like this disgusts me and traumatizes me again. This should not be normalized.
YEAH, EXCATLY!! ESPECIALLY SINCE MLP IS A *KID'S SHOW* SO LITERAL *MINORS* ARE BOUND TO SEE THESE DISGUSTING VIDEOS, AND EVEN WORSE, WHAT IF THEY GET INFLUENCED!? And i feel really bad to hear what you have gone through:( I really hope you're doing good right now!
Im glad to have a safe spot, not that long ago, i was sh and gr00m3d with my sisters by my school’s lead - higher than the board - and have not been feeling well. Ive left the school, and my sister that hasnt left is still getting gr00m3d. People say that kissing a non family member without consent on the face is just a kiss and it makes me sad :[
They also use the “oh, so we can’t write about dark topics in fiction anymore?” excuse. Yeah, that’s not the point… the point is that they’re romanticizing abuse, and that’s wrong. Me personally, I don’t consider it proship if: ✔️The narrative makes it clear it’s wrong ✔️The victim/victims are shown to be uncomfortable with the abuse. If they aren’t uncomfortable as a trauma response, that needs to be made clear as well. ✔️The abuse isn’t there for the purpose of fetish/kink/just romanticizing etc. If we are reading the perspective of a victim who’s used to abusive behavior, or reading through the eyes of an abuser who doesn’t believe they’re doing anything wrong, then the romanticizing could be used as an unreliable narrator theme. But asides from this, there really isn’t a reason to romanticize it. ✔️It’s done tastefully. It’s not there for shock value. The author has put in research or is a victim themselves. My point is, you CAN write about dark topics as long as you do it respectfully. Proshippers blatantly chose to be disrespectful, and it’s frustrating how they’ve tainted respectfully done dark fiction as a whole.
on the topic of coping mechanisms, just because something is a coping mechanism doesn't mean it's inherently healthy or that it won't have a negative impact on other people. for example - drinking can be used as a coping mechanism, but obviously alcohol is an addictive substance and overindulgence can lead to alcoholism, which can have adverse affects on a person's overall health and put strain on their relationships. when it comes to art as a coping mechanism, i don't think it's harmful on its own as long as the artists adds the appropriate warnings beforehand - in fact i think art is one of the healthier ways to vent one's feelings. my main issue with the proship community is the frequent romanticization of the subject matter of the art itself. of course it's common and for therapists to recommend expressing emotion through art, but if someone was making art of an adult grooming a child and then making that kind of dynamic out to be desirable, to me that would be a cause for concern and i don't think it should be shared online. the proship community's fixation on romanticizing grooming or other abusive actions as a coping mechanism is also alarming to me because they don't seem to want to look any deeper than that - they never ask themselves why they specifically need to romanticize abuse in order to feel better, they just do it, and as you explain in the video fiction does affect reality. it affects reality in different ways depending on the person, but desensitization is a real concern when someone is constantly reinforcing the idea that abuse is attractive to themselves (or others, if it's shared online) over and over.
@@robintf2 Not a proshipper, but a person who romanticizes their own trauma, and let me tell you, it hurts to look deeper into it. I have tried and it makes me feel awful.
another point: posting comships on the Internet is actively normalizing gr00ming, SA, gRape and inc3st, preparing other minors to be groomed or gRaped and not tell anyone because they think its a normal experience
This is what I've been saying. They are normalizing the act, not the being of a victim. They are normalizing this happening, not creating a shared community to heal.
Some proshipper told me “shipping adults and minors doesn’t make you a pedophile” and I checked their account and the FIRST POST I SAW was them making different map flag designs
"it helps me cope.." my brother in christ doing this is just gonna keep reminding you of what happened to you and youre gonna brainwash yourself into thinking its cute and hot what happened to you
I can tell you're a child with no understanding of how things work. Therapists literally recommended it, who are you to say that someone can't cope through fiction because YOU think it's "icky"? Grow up.
look, this is gonna sound really bad, but: i say it’s fine. ONLY IF 1.) they don’t share it, keep it a secret, yknow a personal thing 2.) not required, but knowing it’s bad is good. 3.) dont support public stuff
idek what to tell these people, atp just keep it off the internet...like yes its not good to do in general and its gross and disgusting but if youre REALLY gonna use it as a coping mechanism keep it to yourself. it doesn't need to be an everyone kind of thing. this isn't even censoring or silencing or wtv, normalizing that kind of behavior even in fiction will never be ok. people make it seem like it's okay to do that kind of stuff. as a victim of gr00ming and s/a...im tired. trying to read comments here abt people trying to justify it like cool whatever im a creativity censorer then bc i don't want to look at illegal ass ships. keep that shit in private if ur using it to cope. i don't know why that's so hard to not share shit like that online. please and thank you.
I TOTALLY AGREE!!! And I'm gonna share smth too, especially with the "It helps cope" excuse. No it doesn't, you're just ruining your mentality with more unhleathy use of shipping, and to confirm it to you, imagine me making a ship video of you and a family member or an ab/////sive partner and excuse it with "I'm trying to heal!!! 😢😭😢😭" IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT If you’re actually dealing with something then go to therapy, and no stop with the "therapists recommend it!!!!!!!" they didn't, in fact, they would be flabbergasted if they knew you do such thing and will likely think it's the reason behind your mental illness. Besides, there's already fandoms they can go to that has canon ince////////st so why get into other fandoms that DOESN'T and make us uncomfortable and uneasy as online users? Yeeee
There used to be a "trend" in my fandom to write smut about an (sometimes) aged up 7 year old and his 20-something brother in law. At one point, a young teenager caught wind of this and started drawing sexually explicit photos of this child NOT EVEN AGED UP as a "coping mechanism." The comments were ALL "omg this is so hot, please make more!" Babes, that isn't a coping mechanism. You are literally just giving pedophiles their food. You are a child so traumatized and chronically online that you think it's okay to do that because you don't have any other choice. I can't even be mad at them, I'm just so, so sad.
@mooonblooom Reading this hurts my stomach ☹️ my god, I hope they get help as soon as possible, not because I have something against them, but I don't want them to continue being like this 😓
Was about to give my two cents but dude "If fiction doesn't affect reality then how is it helping you cope" is just gold. EDIT, also TW: To actually give my thoughts, as a victim, Pro/Comshippers also love to make the excuse of "it's not illegal" when it pertains to "just drawings," not understanding pedophilia or (depending on where you are unfortunately) incest isn't illegal either. That's the mental disorder (AND PARAPHILIA), the ACT of what follows those intentions/thoughts is what's illegal and morally reprehensible. So sure, shipping gross shit isn't illegal or "sErIouS" in itself but the fact you're ACTIVELY acting on those impulses and desires in the form of fictionalized fantasies, is what makes you a predator and frankly, need real help if you "coping" is through the form of children being assaulted by their siblings.
"N-NUUUU!!! I CAN M-MAKE AWW DA SHIPS I WANNAA!!!! P-PUPPY P#NIS IS HAWWWT OKIII I WAS R@PED BY MA DAWGYYYYY DXXX" (As an incest and CSA survivor, I disapprove of this behavior, if you think this is okay/do this sorta stuff, gtf off the internet now... This place is NOT safe for you...)
Releasing your trauma in fiction can be healthy IF DONE RIGHT. You will not heal from portraying what has hurt you in a positive, fetishy light. It will only hurt you more. Portraying your trauma as what it is, bad and horrible, can help you process whats happened to you. Writing a fic where someone is in love and happy with someone who is abusing them will not help you process your abuse. I understand people fresh out of trauma may not understand immediatly that its harmful, which is why its so important to educate people on what is healthy as a coping mechanism.
bro as a gr00ming, online s3xual abus3, and pedophillia survivor, wth... its not a "coping mechanism" its not "its online so it doesnt harm" YES IT DOES. it triggers ppl, and basically what you said, making a safe space for predators. i mean, the first example, i was told by a person online that they were gonna... uhm, "grape" me, like wth, if you condome this behavior, go to a phyc ward, PLS..
I hate how some people try to change the definition from problematic shipping to ' Enemies to lovers ' related stuff or angsty shipping when its literally incest and weird junk You deserve a crown for dropping this video , ong ! /gen
@@anomalousanimates I would never do that???? I'm just saying nobody should care if a fictional ship is problematic or not. The only thing that would make it problematic is if it involved real people or if someone is using this ship to groom kids online.
I feel like just the hashtag“proship” alone needs to be banned from TikTok. These people need to get professional help instead of posting these things publicly and possibly putting other minors in danger.
Growing up, i experienced sa from kindergarten to past high school. Sadly due to trauma i developed a k.nk for all the abuse I experienced and fantasized being in those situations again even tho they hurt me. I also suffered from depression and felt like it was what i deserved, and it was the only way I will be loved. Using pro shipping is a very unhealthy coping mechanism!! I didn’t make my trauma public by posting tiktoks but i use to roleplay. All it did was make me relive trauma and made my mental health worse.. thankfully i am an adult now! I have gotten help, but i do regret surrounding myself in such a toxic mindset where i idolized abuse. This also can encourage minors to seek predators for validation like I have as a kid.. If this isn’t proof that this is harmful idk what to say.
@@onewackrat6990 yes it is very harmful, and i believe your story. Thank you for sharing this with me, stay strong. Reach out if you need to. Much love 💕
@@dreaming_of_you11 THANK YOU!! SOMEONE FINALLY NOTICED THAT. I do care for these people, deep down i care for everyone, i literally put helplines. They act like im throwing tomatoes at them and commenting on their videos telling them to KTS like im not????
i understand if it does help them cope, but its something you keep private. it should be private weird shipping videos to help them, not available to the public. if theres a community surrounding it it could change peoples sense of whats right and wrong and make things worse.
As also a SA survivor this hurt me bc no way this is a coping way of them fantasizing about it or smth like no you shouldn't fantasize about a deep and hurtful trauma and do it with characters
I especially hate when they say “b-but it’s a coping me mechanism cause of my trauma” like pooks idgaf mk? Your trauma is sad and I wish you didn’t go through it but ever heard of an unhealthy coping mechanism?? Even a harmful coping mechanism? I don’t honestly think it’s even helping them. I kind of feel bad for alot of them (not the p3dos and stuff) especially the children because there kind of stuck and anyone who tries to help them is just called “a hater”
Honestly its like saying popping percs, shooting her01n and snorting coke is good for you because "well its my coping mechanism so you have to let me do it and be ok with it!!" Like there are such blatant issues with that argument.
Here’s a tip if you come across a Proshipper! 1. Go to their acc 2. Don’t comment stuff like “keys!!!” Or “I hope you get 🍇” 3. Block their acc! Sending them threats won’t do shit, just block their acc!
As a rehabilitated proshipper(for reasons), plz do not send death threats (or any kinds of threats in genera) to them, no matter what they ship!! Ofc proshipping is VERY harmful and disgusting, but that doesn’t warrant things like “go kys” or “I’m going to kill you”! I’ve never posted my stuff online but definitely have gotten threats to people I’ve told and it did NOT help me quit, so plz politely ask them to DNI, in my case I give them helplines/help websites once I find out they’re a proshipper, and I don’t interact with them in general :)
@@Tartaglitwo idk who here told yall to kay why ess but not me. There are MULTIPLE helplines in my description. You’re giving me advice I’m already doing and that i’ve already done. No point at all for this comment
@@solardoezstuff xD whos telling you? There are multiple ppl who threatened me back when I believed it was a healthy option and there are still ppl doing it and Im js spreading the word.. they’re still humans and likely children! Also, plz don’t categorize me with them as again I don’t do those actions anymore and am in the process of talking to a therapist :)
not trying to be rude, i know i am not apart of this convo/arguement/ whatever this is but im pretty sure they were just spreading this to the comment section?
Another thing is that proshippers claim to be anti-harassment and “Wanting to be left alone” by “antishippers” yet they will attack anyone who they think is an “Antishipper” I got harassed by proshippers on tumblr because I explained to someone what proshipping meant and said it was gross. That’s it. And the proshippers came at me.
@@The_SD-N_lover I’m glad you don’t want people suffering, but the content of proships can still be very triggering and harmful to people. If you’re going to proship, at least do it in private.
I saw someone else make a video about how proshipping isn't okay and they got harassed from tumblr to Twitter to youtube and stuff like that. And I've been seeing more posts about normal people getting harassed by proship supporters or in some cases proshippers just because they don't agree with them and they go after them to send them dark/com ship media to make fun of them and trigger them.
Here in shipping civilization, nobody jumps for the beef. It's better to jump for the chicken than to risk the one block vertical jump for the beef for just one half hunger bar more. I became a SHIPPING PRO In shipping civilization
I had a friend who shipped our two OCs. And he made it sound great- Found out that his OC was 13…Mine was 50. But his OC was mentally 35? Idfk…I don’t talk to him that much
@@solardoezstuffactually u can be mentally a diff age but only if that age is YOUNGER my mum used to let this girl who was severely autistic and had other disorders come over and bake woth her the girl was like 16 but mentally about 5-6
Lemme make this clear.. I see apple bloom and big mac as PLATONIC*** siblings. If you come up in here making them date eachother and have big mac be some kind of rapist, then you will feel the wrath of my BOOKWORM OC-
i thought proshipping was just like "i like ALL ships (within the law and basic morals even in fiction)" but then i had a 2 hour convo with a proshipper and was horrified when they mentioned minors x adults and incest. i could see it before they fully explained it like, it gets resolved at some point/thats not the only part they like/its not obviously a fet1sh/theyre not romanticizing it and are exploring it artistically(? idk if thats the word for it), but the more i got explained the clearer it was kind of ONLY that.
i havent watched the video yet but all i've seen is ragebait proshippers, only actual proshippers i've met are geniunely nice people, and are in horrible situations. they are just trying to project their trauma onto their comforts which is bad, but apparantly certain therapists suggest it more than actual physical harm etc. i've had a friend who did their research with proshippers and usually whenever they do get the help they need, they aren't killed with rocks by professional therapists or anything like that, its actually suggested by them due to it being fictional and not harming them. even tho fiction can have an effect on reality it is more safe for proshippers to proship in a PRIVATE and safe space, harrassing them or them harrassing others will not let them heal, everyone is for letting sa or grooming victims heal until they project it out into tabboo fiction, harrassment from any side will not make anything better, dni goes both ways. it’s better to leave them alone cuz either way if it is ragebait ur just giving them attention, instead of makimg a whole video abt it
@@ILuvGerardW4yyes that is also one of my points, many proshippers have experienced sa of some sort or some kind of abuse, that leads them to thinking it is okay to project it onto other media that they like, not just because they have a sick fantasy of it. (harmful.) paras and proships are completely different people aswell and people usually mistake the two. paras have kinks and fetishes for this typa stuff such as abuse or lolis, proships are people who like to make art etc of taboo fiction like that, although some people can be both.. most proshippers are unwell teenagers who were groomed into stuff like this, its why u usually dont see proshippers over the age of 24, because they have not had their frontal lobe fully developed,
i can go on and on about why proshippers go onto do this type of stuff, but they’re just human beings at the end of the day, many of them are mischaracterized as evil people who fetishize trauma when they are simply romanticizing or drawing out their own trauma to let out emotions/ come to terms with said trauma (most abuse, sa, and grooming victims take a very long time to come to terms with their trauma, me included, i did not understand that it was never normal and i even got yelled at for not knowing such things were okay.) i sometimes wish people were more open minded with stuff like this instead of sending threats to proshippers or anything of that sort, as they are usually mentally unstable people. i hope they all get the help that they need, telling people to kts over fictional media is actually disgusting, and im upset some have actually gone through with it, i hope more people come to terms with the fact that if you just don’t like a certain proshipper or anything like that, just block them, or send KIND regards towards them and encourage them to get help. it is not that bad from my eyes as it is better than taking it out on others (as seen in documentaries, some teens have murdered over the fact that they cannot get over their sa, sometimes i wonder if people want that more than simply making two fictional characters do things..) of course both are bad, but one is more acceptable than the other obviously, i hope both antis (who harrass proships) and proshippers get better and understand that violence or any sort of harm is not good for anyone.
Honestly, while I don’t like proshippers, a lot of antishippers are very toxic and I have seen people refusing to call this out, like I’m sorry but I don’t think telling a proshipper to kill themselves and that they deserve their trauma is going to help them get rid of that coping mechanism
@@whiteasparagus4331 im not an anti shipper im simply a normal person. I agree with you!! lots of antis are being mean and stuff. Which isn’t cool of their part
I'm a proud anti and I'm in an antiship discord server and an antiship subreddit. a lot of us don't support harassment and are strictly against it. jsyk
as a former mlp fan, the appleblossom and bigmac vthing was disgusting. why the FREAK are people normalizing this. it makes my stomach churn, and im not even a vict1m of any of these things. wtf
I used to proship, a lot, I don't know why because besides my ex gf there is no trauma to be held (I used to proship before the event, which happened when I was 15). I just think I was hypersexual and slowly fell out of it due to the trauma, so I'm not proshippy anymore. I feel incredibly ashamed for it, for protecting my thoughts about it and how anyone should love anyone, but I suppose I didn't realize that kids really cannot consent to those things, since I was a myself a kid who thought I consented to a sexual relationship, while as a matter of a fact, I really had no idea what I was saying and feel disgusted with myself. Hopefully those kids grow out of this phase, too.
I do wanna point out that the definition for the word proshipper gets misunderstood a lot, and the actual meaning is anti-harrassment; darkshippers are the ones that ship illegal stuff. Proshipping was an actual movement so people wouldn't harass each other over ships but obviously now it's becoming a safe space for WEIRD weirdos.
I've been constantly exposed to that lately.. I have to remember it everyday because of how terrifying it was. Ronnie Mcnutt type of videos.. Thank you for not being weird and sharing it online 🙏🏾
Just a bit of advice, if you proship because of trauma, S@, etc, get a therapist, and i am saying this in the nicest way possible because that's not coping, and as someone who got groomed on roblox as a kid (by a 21 year old who was going to college), it's not like I proship or do anything weird like that in general. If you can't openly vent to a therapist or trust anyone, vent in your notes app and stop being weird because your weird ways may trigger others or cause ,any bad reactions. But like don't proship or support 🍇ape in general
@@SaintCharlos but they don’t tell people to share it online on websites with algorithms that will serve their video to thousands of other children (both traumatized and not)???? they don’t tell people to romanticize their own abuse to the point where they openly tell others (IN PUBLIC) that they WANT TO BE GROOMED AGAIN??? they don’t tell people to create communities around this that attract groomers and CONTINUES the cycle of abuse????? i don’t understand how you can defend this as “oh it’s a coping mechanism!!!” and “oh therapists recommend you vent your trauma as art!!!” when it’s being shared *very* publicly and at this point feels like a way to get attention more than it is a way to cope. ofc i’ve shared some of my vent works on public social media before (and i think any kid who’s made vent works has) but i think there’s a difference between making vent animatics about your trauma with proper warnings and posting them when you feel better and making cutesy tiktok edits of fictional characters being 🍇ed. At least on ao3 there are ample tags and warnings you can sort out for this kind of thing- on tiktok what people use to tag these works is constantly changing. It’s impossible to completely block it out of your fyp forever; if you watch fandom tiktoks there is a VERY good chance you’ll get a video like this recommended to you eventually, and even if there are trigger warnings at the beginning of the video, it’s going to hurt people (and as I’ve stated before not just because of the content itself).
proshippers are made in a factory istg,they all have the same: style personality humor arguments fandoms its so ez to recognize one its embarrassing ;-;
NAH ACTUALLY THOUGH !? And sometimes when it's hard to tell you go to their bio and it INSTANTLY tells you when they say "Antis" 💀 like you mean normal people? 😭
In my opinion, i HATE proshippers. however, i don’t think people should should send death threats to them who don’t support them because it will not help them in getting better in any way. BUT, proshipping will ALSO not help them. And like you said, along with it not helping them it is NOT helping others or making anyone feel better.
I am not a pro shipper myself but I did have a license therapist and told her about these people posting on social media since it was everywhere and they would say it’s a coping mechanism so I asked her if it is a good coping mechanism and I was shocked when she told me yes IF used the right way because when she has a victim of sa/🍇 they will give them toys to play with to show what happened to them and that’s what they are doing with these children tv shows basically telling their stories yes I do agree they should KEEP IT PRIVATE so we don’t have to get triggered by any of these videos
wasnt this obvious i mean maybe it was just me but how did u not know that thye give toys to kids that were (g)raped/sa'd to tell them how did the perpetrator do it
imo you should be allowed to depict disturbing topics like this as long as you don’t romanticize them and make it very clear that it’s horrible, show how traumatic it is for the characters involved, etc. having characters you can relate to is super comforting and lets you know you’re not alone
Yeah I agree. It's not like you CAN'T depict bad topics, but they would have to be researched. Not glorified, romanticized, or justified. Many people are able to relate to these topics, and it's good to be able to raise awareness on how they affect people (or anything else depending on what it is.)
THIS^^ THIS IS SO ABSOLUTELY TRUE. I say this as someone writing a Scott Pilgrim fan novel that includes a lot of triggering content to raise awareness about how messed-up and traumatizing that type of stuff could be. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, should romanticize this type of stuff. It’s just outright wrong. And the fact that I’d like to reiterate that it’s a SCOTT PILGRIM fan novel makes it more crazy, I mean… There are proshippers all over that fandom, but they’re less prevalent than the Loud House or MHA, or Bluey fandoms. But I honestly, really, really hate proshippers. Especially as I myself am a victim of one I used to know IRL.
Once tried to give a proshipper healthy advice and they started harassing me saying I was a hater and sending people and faking claims of me grooming them Said “frick you, hope things get worse lmao 😂” and blocked them Yeah that was rude, but I genuinely tried to help them yet they refused my advice. So idc LMAO. Idc if their life sucks anymore, I tried to support them but they denied any help and started to victimize themself.
0:50 Proship doesn't stand for that, the "pro" means to support(support ships), same with antiship/antis Proshippers are bad but the point you're making is just "someone might see it so it's bad!!!" when they almost always put a warning in their videos. Writing problematic relationships isn't bad, but proshippers ROMANTIZE it, which invalidates their own/someone else's trauma and just makes things worse for everyone. Not to mention a big part of proshippers are also l0li and sh0tacons trying to normalize their fetishes I do think some therapist could recommend ths, but just because they don't fully know what it means. Writing this stuff and sharing it does help, as long as you aren't romantizing it(and proshippers do that)
hey, coming as a selfshipper: how does fucking selfshipping go in the proship basket?? like bro its like making a self insert/oc and just shipping yourself w a character. But for some reason, people are making it bad. With shipping yourself with a like 1,000 year old human/demon/cryptic and the oc is like 12 years old 😭😭 like selfshipping is not even that bad but proships just made it worse
Proshipping has ruined the fandom-going experience for me for a couple shows I really like. In both of them, the biggest ship of my favourite character was an ince$t and/or ped0philia ship, and they were so pervasive and I couldn't escape it. What's worse is the people justifying the ship because "they're not related in this AU" or saying they only shipped them in AU where they weren't brothers and thus acting like they were different from pro-shippers. IMO, that's not any better, because they still looked at two siblings and decided they wanted to see/read content of them in a relationship.
@@PotatoTheShorts987 Nope, the ped0-ince$t one (yup, a double whammy) is from Hetalia, the other one which involved a teenager (maybe pre-teen, it was never clear) and a 1000+ year old guy was from an old Cartoon Network show called Xiaolin Showdown.
@@solardoezstuff thanks, it sucks since fandom-going for one of those shows was a big part of my teenage-hood, but now I'm turned off from it and can't enjoy it like I used to (there are other factors too, but the fact that the fandom is so full of proshippers who are in denial and the fact that I'll easily bump into them is a big one)
On twitter the proshipping is horrible too, and worst of all is that some proshippers have good artstyles & have no shame. People will defend proshippers and make up excuses like: "It's only fiction" "If you don't like it then don't interact, it is that simple" "There are REAL life problems out there and you're b*tching over fictional proshipping" Even victims defend these kind of behaviours
While their points are valid, they cannot be used in such contexts. The actions of these proshippers are generally problematic and, even worse, they tend to romanticise, sexualize and/or endorse these taboo "relationships". This issue is very complex and has no true answer to whether or not proshipping as a whole is ethical by the least. I have no say towards proshippers but I am against the act of coupling problematic relationships, whether or not it be fiction or reality.
“Proshippers don’t hurt anyone” YES TF THEY DO. I HAVE FIRSTHAND PROOF TW: gr00ming and p3dophilia So as a kid I fell into a circle of content creators who were proshippers and who regularly s3xualized underaged characters, and as a kid who didn’t know any better, I thought they were just joking around and I dismissed that behavior as normal, thus, that sort of thing got normalized to me. Guess what happened? I got gr00med in my teens bc I didn’t recognize my abuser’s behavior as wrong!!! The only reason it stopped is bc he stopped talking to me. PROSHIPPERS NORMALIZED THAT DYNAMIC FOR ME AND I GOT HURT BECAUSE OF IT. Don’t listen to proshippers who say what they do doesn’t hurt anyone. It’s absolute dismissive bs. Their “coping” causes real harm to real people. I’m so glad I grew up to be a well adjusted adult who can recognize problematic dynamics.
I think they’re disgusting and dislike them as well but what happened to you was unsupervised internet access. They didn’t affect you, your guardians/caretakers let you fall into a rabbit hole of disgusting content.
@@Doritoschiplivingthebestlife that’s like saying that “oh a kid on the playground broke your arm but also the parents weren’t watching to make sure that didn’t happen!!!” why can’t you blame both parties for what occurred??? why can’t you say that the parents should have been watching while also recognizing that the child *broke your arm* and clearly needs to face consequences for what they did???
first of all im really sorry that happened. second of all as a child you should have had your internet access monitored by your parents so that never should have happened. third of all, those were not proshippers, those were pr3d@t0rs hiding behind the proship label. the entire basis of being proship is that it is FICTION, and people should be allowed to explore darker themes in fiction. if a 'proshipper' is pr3ying on real children by exposing them to s3gsu@l content like what happened to you, they are automatically not a proshipper because they are literally contradicting the entire ideology. and the proship community does NOT accept people like that.
@@mooonblooom so what if I’m chronically online bro, it’s the truth, proship darkship and comship isn’t the same thing. Comship isn’t even bad at all, so is proship (it means that you do not harass any ship no matter what it is). If you don’t do research about that. You’re gonna end up with your brain molded with lies people tell you on tiktok
Reminds me how that one yt made a video on how Proshipper affected them and the proshipping community was making fun of their trauma and saying they were lyjng about being a victim of proshipping. "Proshippers are anti harassment!!!" Yeah,, uh huh
Do you mean like a disclaimer that it’s wrong or like actively criticizing it within the piece of media and not romanticizing it. Because if it’s just a disclaimer while still romanticizing it then that’s still messed up.
real!! If they would cope while writing stories that show how bad 🍇 and such is, that would actually work!! unlike.. whatever they decide to do instead
Its a form of therapy, sometime they cannot talk to people about it or they feel uncomfortable to, its a way for me to cope with my trauma and its a form of therapy for me.
im not gonna act like proshipping is a good coping mechanism, it definitely isnt, but so many people can't afford / don't have access to therapy. also , therapy doesn't make ppl's harmful coping mechanisms disappear. people who have harmful coping mechanisms (like $h) can't just choose to stop coping that way, it's never that easy
@ these are good coping mechanisms, yes , but i’m saying it’s not that easy or simple if they’re already coping in a bad way ,, it takes a lot of time and effort for people to learn how to cope in positive ways
@@ihatemyself640 ur right, it's a coping mechanism but it's VERY unhealthy since it promotes a bad mindset to the already damaged person. It's kind of like sh, it's a coping mechanism but it's an awful one to fall into (8 months clean🎉🎉🎉)
I hate it when proshippers pull out the “it’s a coping mechanism!!!” Like. How is promoting pedophilic tropes and fetishizing morally disgusting things going to help with your alcoholic dad beating you weekly
I didn't know what pedophilia was when I was younger I used to ship a problematic ship when I was 11. I thought it was normal, I thought it was okay. As I got older I realized just how messed up and disgusting that was. I used to love that ship but now that I'm more educated and mature I hate myself for ever thinking that was okay. Again I was 11, I was groomed and assaulted at 4 and was taught that was normal.
As someone who was groomed by proshippers (and was manipulated into being one when I was younger), I just wish for them to get professional help… I get it can be a coping mechanism but it’s not a healthy one.. just like SH is a coping mechanism that isn’t healthy. I feel worried about the kids that are a part of the proship/darkship/comship/whatever they call it community… where are the parents.. why isn’t anyone monitoring them.. I’m genuinely concerned for their safety and wellbeing. Small ramble here. (I also hate how people are categorizing certain topics as proship… not enemies to lovers isn’t proship, no shipping two characters that are kids together in a nonsexual manner isn’t proship [I’ve seen this brought up the most with queer ships of this type which is hypocritical as most media does this with straight ships.], and no monster x human isn’t proship… doing this either waters down or misconstrues what proshipping is.. unless it’s non-consenting or illegal in age, then these shouldn’t be categorized as such.) This was a nice watch, keep up the good work, have a nice day/gen.
tysm for informing me, and this actually really helped, since I didn't really know what a proshipper was. All of this is super disgusting, and it's really nice that you're informing other ppl that don't know about it (i'm one of them lmfao) also, I js noticed that you put resources for victims?? omg!! that is so sweet of you!!! 😭💗💗 i'm very glad that you care about everyone. stay safe!!!!
Last night I saw so many proshipper account and it distraught me. Idc how traumatized you are, that's not an excuse to fetishize, romanticize, and create literal CP art were you're supposed to be HAPPY and enjoying the fact it's an illustration of a child getting r8ped. And yes, it's quite literally rotting their brain. Shipping morally corrupt things shouldn't be a coping mechanism. In fact, thats probably the worst coping mechanism you can make up for yourself. Everytime I see these proshipper acts i think of how triggering this would be to (normal, sane) victims. Imagine seeing your abuse and trauma being glorified like that, it's disgusting. And if you're actually a victim and not using the victims you're disrespecting the heck out of for you sick messed up fetish and fantasy, then you just hurting yourself more. You're basically self harming. What happens to you is not ok and now your fantasizing about it like it is ok.. Thats what abuses would want. You're enabling more abusers and influencing young children to soon become victims. Idc if it's "fictional" its still CP!!! You're still fetishizing other peoples trauma and abuse!! It will NEVER be ok under ANY circumstance!!!
its honestly disgusting by posting it. if your fantasizing about stupid shit you should ACTUALLY keep it private. go make disgusting little headcanons and keep it in your drafts. as an ALSO victim of SA it disgusts me how ppl normalize this.
4:47 releasing intrusive thoughts is a true way to cope, but it isn't true that posting these videos is a sane way to do this. Alas, I've personally coped with abuse with art, but the only time I showed it to other people was when my therapy required to do so. I find proshipping really disgusting as even if this making people feel better it brings a lot of harm to do those abused and opportunities to abusers to do so
Sincerely i think you can proship IF YOU KEEP IT TO YOURSELF because it can affect other people. Tbh I still don’t get how it’s suppose to make you cope. But I think they are just ruining themself and making their trauma worse. Edit: 4:07 I hope you are good now 🩷
1:53 To be honest, this whole issue has bothered me a lot. Every time I entered TikTok there were always videos of proshippers, and this caused me to stop using that app. Literally watching the first example of the video made me very angry. Big Mac is my comfort/selfship character, and seeing people do this to him makes me feel really bad. They always say that their actions don't hurt and you just have to get over the content. But just thinking that there is something like that about x character that I like, makes me have a kind of rage attack 😞
I found a proship account. They were shipping bluey and the dad from bluey it was the sailor song animation meme… i tagged the account in a proship anti video and they changed there account completely😂😂
I’m an ex-proshipper and I definitely did it due to SEVERE trauma, I am now in therapy and have better coping mechanisms now!
I AM PRO-RECOVERY and ANTI-HARASSMENT. You CAN get better, and harassing people only makes their mental health worse, which can lead to them being more heavily reliant on toxic coping mechanisms.
About interacting with proshippers: Explain to them how proshipping is harmful without attacking them directly. Then do not interact with their content. If a proshipper starts harassing you, block and report them! Easy as that.
I love y’all!! /platonic
@@JackalopeAnimations im SO GLAD your recovering :3
i ate 9 bars of butter
@@Bunnykiytt that's splendiferous!!
@@LuvKayArt amazing
the worst part is that they usually do that to children's media. if a child comes across this type of shit and has other people telling them that it's ok, they'll gradually learn that the type of behavior displayed in proships is "normal" and "shouldn't be a problem", leading to them either becoming the next victim or the next abuser, or even both.
fiction *does* affect reality; if you display something and treat it a certain way, there are people who are going to start thinking that way because of that. one good example that comes off the top of my head is representation of autism in media: most known autistic characters are portrayed a certain way and therefore most people now think that autistic people are either completely dependant or are Sheldons.
the point is, proshipping is actively harmful and leads to more victims.
proshipping should never be endorsed, Here's everything that counts as proshipping:
Child x Teen
Child x Adult
Sibling x Sibling
Pet x Adult
Victim x Person who made them a victim
Child x Pet
Teen x Pet
stay safe, yall. (If u don't know if it is proshipping, google the ages of the characters..)
i think those are darkship (correct me if I’m wrong, I’m a Comshipper but not THOSE comshippers)
Dont forget ageless x child and ageless x teen
and don't forget father/mother x son/daughter.
What about pet x pet, I like making humanoid animal characters, can I ship animals together with a human consciousness (Not in a 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 way ofc)
@@SpeefyQuack I'm a proud shota fan when I see something that has shota x hag I think it's peak
"b-b-but it's rage bait!!!!!!!" idc? it still affects people, rage bait or not
fr, and half of the time these “ragebaiters” bait on serious topics
Remember when rage bait use to be saying “I like pineapple on pizza” but now it’s just mostly about people saying they want to get gr-00-med or about 🍇
@@soxraya ''i want to get graped!'' then thats just... seggs? because youre technically kinda consenting here?? i dont get why people even say this for ragebait honestly
Ik someone irl who actually is a proshipper😭
Why do it feel like proshippers just use that excuse to hide the fact they they into ped0 dynamics and other problematic stuff.
finally some1 who agrees w/ me. i do not care if its a coping mechanism, FIND OTHERS AND DONT POST IT ONLINE. like if ur gonna proship, do it in your own time, offline, and do NOT POST IT!! i aint wanna see that
“It’s just a drawing”
“It’s ragebait!!”
“They’re fictional!!”
Same mfers when they see a healthy, canon, major x major couple: GRRR 👹😡
2:10 "fiction doesn't affect reality!" for it to be a coping mechanism it NEEDS to affect reality.
@@skibidigakupo PREEEEAAACH
4:42 therapists won't recommend posting your venting stuff and intrusive thoughts to the public, dawg
It's so weird how people act like fiction doesn't affect reality. Fiction can, and does, affect it. It spreads characters, stories, legends, messages, dynamics, symbols, etc. that we are very likely able to see in real life, even if it's not exaggerated to the extent it does in fiction. This ties in to the coping mechanism argument too. You can't say "Oh, it's just fictional. It's not like it's real or anything." when you quite literally intend for it to affect something that is. Also, enjoying something doesn't automatically make it a healthy way to cope. It just means you enjoy it and that's it - you can't conflate it with a term just so you're able to justify your actions. And no therapist would recommend letting out intrusive thoughts because the whole point of an intrusive thought is that they force their way in there - they're the thoughts you DON'T want to have yet have anyways.
"i'm coping!"
...I cope by hugging my dog. You cope by drawing 18+ art of a 6 year old girl and a 50 year old man.
We are not the same.
Coping doesn't work for everyone the same
@ I'm aware. I used to cope by biting myself. But I don't think that justifies whatever the hell people are doing
@@Dave_MillerThePurpleGuy i cope by making t4t fanart or ships i like
@@buttonyarnandmanycandyhearts Honestly me too, as long as it's not something illegal or morally wrong it's fine to be honest
@@Dave_MillerThePurpleGuy Yes ofc!
i think proshippers think that this behavior is normal, because theyve been manipulated by their gr00mers or whoever they were a victim of into thinking that what was happening to them is normal, especially since a lot of them are children, and they have a hard time recovering from it, thats why kids need to know who to reach out to if it ever happens to them
I hate proshipping and like bro the proshippers need to leave MLP alone 😭 And the excuses are always “oh im coping” NO YOU ARE NOT. I’ve been SA’ed and bullied and I feel like this disgusts me and traumatizes me again. This should not be normalized.
YEAH, EXCATLY!! ESPECIALLY SINCE MLP IS A *KID'S SHOW* SO LITERAL *MINORS* ARE BOUND TO SEE THESE DISGUSTING VIDEOS, AND EVEN WORSE, WHAT IF THEY GET INFLUENCED!? And i feel really bad to hear what you have gone through:( I really hope you're doing good right now!
@ I am doing fine and well, I just need years of therapy to recover tbh. These people need to stop.
@@KatyOrAuKo All they need to do is to bar the content behind a 18+ fence. Simple as that.
@@SaintCharlos it still triggers people
@@Sillywillywonkah If it triggers people, then they need to blacklist or tag it. Simple as that.
WHY DID I READ THE TITLE AS "why pro-shipping doesn't do any harm" BRO I SCREAMED 😭
OH NO SAME 😭😭😭
@breadandcheese0 😭
Im glad to have a safe spot, not that long ago, i was sh and gr00m3d with my sisters by my school’s lead - higher than the board - and have not been feeling well. Ive left the school, and my sister that hasnt left is still getting gr00m3d. People say that kissing a non family member without consent on the face is just a kiss and it makes me sad :[
Omg..
Are you ok?
They also use the “oh, so we can’t write about dark topics in fiction anymore?” excuse. Yeah, that’s not the point… the point is that they’re romanticizing abuse, and that’s wrong.
Me personally, I don’t consider it proship if:
✔️The narrative makes it clear it’s wrong
✔️The victim/victims are shown to be uncomfortable with the abuse. If they aren’t uncomfortable as a trauma response, that needs to be made clear as well.
✔️The abuse isn’t there for the purpose of fetish/kink/just romanticizing etc. If we are reading the perspective of a victim who’s used to abusive behavior, or reading through the eyes of an abuser who doesn’t believe they’re doing anything wrong, then the romanticizing could be used as an unreliable narrator theme. But asides from this, there really isn’t a reason to romanticize it.
✔️It’s done tastefully. It’s not there for shock value. The author has put in research or is a victim themselves.
My point is, you CAN write about dark topics as long as you do it respectfully. Proshippers blatantly chose to be disrespectful, and it’s frustrating how they’ve tainted respectfully done dark fiction as a whole.
real :)
on the topic of coping mechanisms, just because something is a coping mechanism doesn't mean it's inherently healthy or that it won't have a negative impact on other people. for example - drinking can be used as a coping mechanism, but obviously alcohol is an addictive substance and overindulgence can lead to alcoholism, which can have adverse affects on a person's overall health and put strain on their relationships.
when it comes to art as a coping mechanism, i don't think it's harmful on its own as long as the artists adds the appropriate warnings beforehand - in fact i think art is one of the healthier ways to vent one's feelings. my main issue with the proship community is the frequent romanticization of the subject matter of the art itself. of course it's common and for therapists to recommend expressing emotion through art, but if someone was making art of an adult grooming a child and then making that kind of dynamic out to be desirable, to me that would be a cause for concern and i don't think it should be shared online. the proship community's fixation on romanticizing grooming or other abusive actions as a coping mechanism is also alarming to me because they don't seem to want to look any deeper than that - they never ask themselves why they specifically need to romanticize abuse in order to feel better, they just do it, and as you explain in the video fiction does affect reality. it affects reality in different ways depending on the person, but desensitization is a real concern when someone is constantly reinforcing the idea that abuse is attractive to themselves (or others, if it's shared online) over and over.
@@robintf2 Not a proshipper, but a person who romanticizes their own trauma, and let me tell you, it hurts to look deeper into it. I have tried and it makes me feel awful.
another point: posting comships on the Internet is actively normalizing gr00ming, SA, gRape and inc3st, preparing other minors to be groomed or gRaped and not tell anyone because they think its a normal experience
This is what I've been saying. They are normalizing the act, not the being of a victim. They are normalizing this happening, not creating a shared community to heal.
Some proshipper told me “shipping adults and minors doesn’t make you a pedophile” and I checked their account and the FIRST POST I SAW was them making different map flag designs
@@kreamycat9312 LMAOOO
🤦♀
Oh the irony
The only time where Ad Hominem arguement is acceptable
@@kreamycat9312 😭
"it helps me cope.." my brother in christ doing this is just gonna keep reminding you of what happened to you and youre gonna brainwash yourself into thinking its cute and hot what happened to you
I can tell you're a child with no understanding of how things work. Therapists literally recommended it, who are you to say that someone can't cope through fiction because YOU think it's "icky"? Grow up.
@@mintygreen9877 Well hey you can’t really change their opinion. It’s their Own choice… so-…
look, this is gonna sound really bad, but:
i say it’s fine. ONLY IF
1.) they don’t share it, keep it a secret, yknow a personal thing
2.) not required, but knowing it’s bad is good.
3.) dont support public stuff
I mean, she said that in the video, the first thing you said atleast
all pro shippers have a green aura with flies
idek what to tell these people, atp just keep it off the internet...like yes its not good to do in general and its gross and disgusting but if youre REALLY gonna use it as a coping mechanism keep it to yourself. it doesn't need to be an everyone kind of thing. this isn't even censoring or silencing or wtv, normalizing that kind of behavior even in fiction will never be ok. people make it seem like it's okay to do that kind of stuff. as a victim of gr00ming and s/a...im tired. trying to read comments here abt people trying to justify it like cool whatever im a creativity censorer then bc i don't want to look at illegal ass ships. keep that shit in private if ur using it to cope. i don't know why that's so hard to not share shit like that online. please and thank you.
I TOTALLY AGREE!!!
And I'm gonna share smth too, especially with the "It helps cope" excuse.
No it doesn't, you're just ruining your mentality with more unhleathy use of shipping, and to confirm it to you, imagine me making a ship video of you and a family member or an ab/////sive partner and excuse it with "I'm trying to heal!!! 😢😭😢😭" IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT
If you’re actually dealing with something then go to therapy, and no stop with the "therapists recommend it!!!!!!!" they didn't, in fact, they would be flabbergasted if they knew you do such thing and will likely think it's the reason behind your mental illness.
Besides, there's already fandoms they can go to that has canon ince////////st so why get into other fandoms that DOESN'T and make us uncomfortable and uneasy as online users? Yeeee
@@banjex. TYSM
@@solardoezstuff NPP!!! AND THANK YOU TOO FOR MAKING THIS VID!!! ^_^ I WAS WAITING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR SO LONG
There used to be a "trend" in my fandom to write smut about an (sometimes) aged up 7 year old and his 20-something brother in law. At one point, a young teenager caught wind of this and started drawing sexually explicit photos of this child NOT EVEN AGED UP as a "coping mechanism." The comments were ALL "omg this is so hot, please make more!" Babes, that isn't a coping mechanism. You are literally just giving pedophiles their food. You are a child so traumatized and chronically online that you think it's okay to do that because you don't have any other choice. I can't even be mad at them, I'm just so, so sad.
@mooonblooom Reading this hurts my stomach ☹️ my god, I hope they get help as soon as possible, not because I have something against them, but I don't want them to continue being like this 😓
The amount of people defending this is just disgusting and sad. You're mad weird if you think this is okay. That's disgusting.
yea, like who tf is LiterallyFukami and why do they care on commenting?
I thought proshipping meant someone who supports shipping, so I was confused at first, but now knowing what it actually means?? yikes!!
I'm pretty sure that is its original meaning, but weirdos twisted the meaning ig
@@iqwastaken Yup
if it's less confusing, the term darkship also refers to what the person is talking about in the video
Was about to give my two cents but dude "If fiction doesn't affect reality then how is it helping you cope" is just gold.
EDIT, also TW: To actually give my thoughts, as a victim, Pro/Comshippers also love to make the excuse of "it's not illegal" when it pertains to "just drawings," not understanding pedophilia or (depending on where you are unfortunately) incest isn't illegal either. That's the mental disorder (AND PARAPHILIA), the ACT of what follows those intentions/thoughts is what's illegal and morally reprehensible.
So sure, shipping gross shit isn't illegal or "sErIouS" in itself but the fact you're ACTIVELY acting on those impulses and desires in the form of fictionalized fantasies, is what makes you a predator and frankly, need real help if you "coping" is through the form of children being assaulted by their siblings.
"N-NUUUU!!! I CAN M-MAKE AWW DA SHIPS I WANNAA!!!! P-PUPPY P#NIS IS HAWWWT OKIII I WAS R@PED BY MA DAWGYYYYY DXXX" (As an incest and CSA survivor, I disapprove of this behavior, if you think this is okay/do this sorta stuff, gtf off the internet now... This place is NOT safe for you...)
Releasing your trauma in fiction can be healthy IF DONE RIGHT. You will not heal from portraying what has hurt you in a positive, fetishy light. It will only hurt you more. Portraying your trauma as what it is, bad and horrible, can help you process whats happened to you.
Writing a fic where someone is in love and happy with someone who is abusing them will not help you process your abuse.
I understand people fresh out of trauma may not understand immediatly that its harmful, which is why its so important to educate people on what is healthy as a coping mechanism.
@@kothepowcardfan11 thank you
THIS^^^ THISSSSS ABSOLUTELY THIS
YESSS
If fiction didn’t effect reality then representation in shows wouldn’t matter
I'm sorry but CURLY PFP?!?!! 🔥🔥🔥
@@CannibalKittyy PREACH!!
CURLY FRIES YUMYUM
@@Taekaleaf YESSSS💥💥💥💥
@@SleeplessSnakeOfficial real
bro as a gr00ming, online s3xual abus3, and pedophillia survivor, wth... its not a "coping mechanism" its not "its online so it doesnt harm" YES IT DOES. it triggers ppl, and basically what you said, making a safe space for predators. i mean, the first example, i was told by a person online that they were gonna... uhm, "grape" me, like wth, if you condome this behavior, go to a phyc ward, PLS..
I hate how some people try to change the definition from problematic shipping to ' Enemies to lovers ' related stuff or angsty shipping when its literally incest and weird junk
You deserve a crown for dropping this video , ong ! /gen
“It’s just fictional.. not real!!” OKAY? AND? ITS STILL PROBLEMATIC-
FRR!!
people use that crap about lolis, but they resemble children, and it should be looked down upon to like child-like people in sexual situations
Nobody cares.
@@SaintCharlos final words before groomers and abusers start taking advantage of younger people because they think it's normal
@@anomalousanimates I would never do that???? I'm just saying nobody should care if a fictional ship is problematic or not. The only thing that would make it problematic is if it involved real people or if someone is using this ship to groom kids online.
I feel like just the hashtag“proship” alone needs to be banned from TikTok. These people need to get professional help instead of posting these things publicly and possibly putting other minors in danger.
@@ketaminekween exactly.
Growing up, i experienced sa from kindergarten to past high school. Sadly due to trauma i developed a k.nk for all the abuse I experienced and fantasized being in those situations again even tho they hurt me. I also suffered from depression and felt like it was what i deserved, and it was the only way I will be loved. Using pro shipping is a very unhealthy coping mechanism!! I didn’t make my trauma public by posting tiktoks but i use to roleplay. All it did was make me relive trauma and made my mental health worse.. thankfully i am an adult now! I have gotten help, but i do regret surrounding myself in such a toxic mindset where i idolized abuse. This also can encourage minors to seek predators for validation like I have as a kid..
If this isn’t proof that this is harmful idk what to say.
@@onewackrat6990 yes it is very harmful, and i believe your story. Thank you for sharing this with me, stay strong. Reach out if you need to. Much love 💕
this right here. i'll never understand people who don't realize how harmful proshipping is to both victims and the people creating it.
it's so sweet how you put helplines in the description!! really shows you care :)
@@dreaming_of_you11 THANK YOU!! SOMEONE FINALLY NOTICED THAT. I do care for these people, deep down i care for everyone, i literally put helplines. They act like im throwing tomatoes at them and commenting on their videos telling them to KTS like im
not????
i understand if it does help them cope, but its something you keep private. it should be private weird shipping videos to help them, not available to the public. if theres a community surrounding it it could change peoples sense of whats right and wrong and make things worse.
As also a SA survivor this hurt me bc no way this is a coping way of them fantasizing about it or smth like no you shouldn't fantasize about a deep and hurtful trauma and do it with characters
Off topic but you messing up on the obby in the back is so funny I can see the rage as you shake your screen.
@@Graymilk-73 I WAS SO ANGRY
I especially hate when they say “b-but it’s a coping me mechanism cause of my trauma” like pooks idgaf mk? Your trauma is sad and I wish you didn’t go through it but ever heard of an unhealthy coping mechanism?? Even a harmful coping mechanism? I don’t honestly think it’s even helping them. I kind of feel bad for alot of them (not the p3dos and stuff) especially the children because there kind of stuck and anyone who tries to help them is just called “a hater”
Honestly its like saying popping percs, shooting her01n and snorting coke is good for you because "well its my coping mechanism so you have to let me do it and be ok with it!!"
Like there are such blatant issues with that argument.
Here’s a tip if you come across a Proshipper!
1. Go to their acc
2. Don’t comment stuff like “keys!!!” Or “I hope you get 🍇”
3. Block their acc!
Sending them threats won’t do shit, just block their acc!
Amazing. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Yeah its better to ignore than engage
@@-kiyospasta- I don’t send threats? the point of this video was that so i could get my feelings out 😁
As a rehabilitated proshipper(for reasons), plz do not send death threats (or any kinds of threats in genera) to them, no matter what they ship!! Ofc proshipping is VERY harmful and disgusting, but that doesn’t warrant things like “go kys” or “I’m going to kill you”! I’ve never posted my stuff online but definitely have gotten threats to people I’ve told and it did NOT help me quit, so plz politely ask them to DNI, in my case I give them helplines/help websites once I find out they’re a proshipper, and I don’t interact with them in general :)
@@Tartaglitwo idk who here told yall to kay why ess but not me. There are MULTIPLE helplines in my description. You’re giving me advice I’m already doing and that i’ve already done. No point at all for this comment
@@solardoezstuff xD whos telling you? There are multiple ppl who threatened me back when I believed it was a healthy option and there are still ppl doing it and Im js spreading the word.. they’re still humans and likely children! Also, plz don’t categorize me with them as again I don’t do those actions anymore and am in the process of talking to a therapist :)
@@Tartaglitwo im not associating you with them..
@@solardoezstuff good to know, I just assumed because you said “idk who told yall to kys”, sorry!! :0(
not trying to be rude, i know i am not apart of this convo/arguement/ whatever this is but im pretty sure they were just spreading this to the comment section?
THANK YOU FOR THIS 😭😭 I WAS ON TUMBLR TALKING ABOUT THE PROSHIPPING IN THE MOUTHWASHING FANDOM AND A GROWN ASS PROSHIPPER CALLED ME A CHILD F*CKER
I thought the pro in proshipper meant professional, like when you're a pro at something.
LMAOO I THOUGHT THIS TOO THIS IS HILARIOUS
Another thing is that proshippers claim to be anti-harassment and “Wanting to be left alone” by “antishippers” yet they will attack anyone who they think is an “Antishipper” I got harassed by proshippers on tumblr because I explained to someone what proshipping meant and said it was gross. That’s it. And the proshippers came at me.
I'm a proshipper and I never hate I don't want people to be suffering because of me :(
@@The_SD-N_lover dw i respect u as long as u dont attack ppl
@@The_SD-N_lover I’m glad you don’t want people suffering, but the content of proships can still be very triggering and harmful to people. If you’re going to proship, at least do it in private.
@ :3
I really hate how they talk like “
That’s why I hate those emoticons vro..,,
@@Andrebrahhyeah like in this part….. 3:04
AGGGHHHHH I FREKING LUV TALKING LIKE THAT 😭😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💯💯💯💯💯
I LIKE USING THOSE.... SHUCKS UHM VRO LIKE AM I HATED NOW??..
fr tho, it's so fucking disgusting, it also rlly plays into their weird baby/ child f3t!sh.
I saw someone else make a video about how proshipping isn't okay and they got harassed from tumblr to Twitter to youtube and stuff like that. And I've been seeing more posts about normal people getting harassed by proship supporters or in some cases proshippers just because they don't agree with them and they go after them to send them dark/com ship media to make fun of them and trigger them.
funny how they say proship is antiharassment but do this
noobshipping, proshipping, mastershipping, mythicshipping..............
legendshipping, hackershipping
noobshipper vs proshipper vs hackershipper..
Here in shipping civilization, nobody jumps for the beef. It's better to jump for the chicken than to risk the one block vertical jump for the beef for just one half hunger bar more.
I became a SHIPPING PRO In shipping civilization
HELP I WAS LIKE: "what is noobshipping and mythicshipping..??" UNTIL I REALIZED-
LMAO
I had a friend who shipped our two OCs. And he made it sound great- Found out that his OC was 13…Mine was 50. But his OC was mentally 35? Idfk…I don’t talk to him that much
@@M0th3r0f1lM0thSss yeahh there’s no “mentally this age” bs…
@@solardoezstuffactually u can be mentally a diff age but only if that age is YOUNGER my mum used to let this girl who was severely autistic and had other disorders come over and bake woth her the girl was like 16 but mentally about 5-6
The dululu proshippers in the comments 💀
I'd rather watch lankybox than become a proshipper
Real
anyways im a proshipper
@@yahhooilloveskibiidrizz anyways ur boosting my channel hi again!
same.
Fr
Lemme make this clear..
I see apple bloom and big mac as PLATONIC*** siblings.
If you come up in here making them date eachother and have big mac be some kind of rapist, then you will feel the wrath of my BOOKWORM OC-
that mlp tiktok slideshow genuinely made me want to cry
Fr...
i thought proshipping was just like "i like ALL ships (within the law and basic morals even in fiction)" but then i had a 2 hour convo with a proshipper and was horrified when they mentioned minors x adults and incest. i could see it before they fully explained it like, it gets resolved at some point/thats not the only part they like/its not obviously a fet1sh/theyre not romanticizing it and are exploring it artistically(? idk if thats the word for it), but the more i got explained the clearer it was kind of ONLY that.
i havent watched the video yet but all i've seen is ragebait proshippers, only actual proshippers i've met are geniunely nice people, and are in horrible situations. they are just trying to project their trauma onto their comforts which is bad, but apparantly certain therapists suggest it more than actual physical harm etc. i've had a friend who did their research with proshippers and usually whenever they do get the help they need, they aren't killed with rocks by professional therapists or anything like that, its actually suggested by them due to it being fictional and not harming them. even tho fiction can have an effect on reality it is more safe for proshippers to proship in a PRIVATE and safe space, harrassing them or them harrassing others will not let them heal, everyone is for letting sa or grooming victims heal until they project it out into tabboo fiction, harrassment from any side will not make anything better, dni goes both ways. it’s better to leave them alone cuz either way if it is ragebait ur just giving them attention, instead of makimg a whole video abt it
I had a proshipper friend, and they got graped twice, they were kind
@@ILuvGerardW4yyes that is also one of my points, many proshippers have experienced sa of some sort or some kind of abuse, that leads them to thinking it is okay to project it onto other media that they like, not just because they have a sick fantasy of it. (harmful.) paras and proships are completely different people aswell and people usually mistake the two. paras have kinks and fetishes for this typa stuff such as abuse or lolis, proships are people who like to make art etc of taboo fiction like that, although some people can be both.. most proshippers are unwell teenagers who were groomed into stuff like this, its why u usually dont see proshippers over the age of 24, because they have not had their frontal lobe fully developed,
@@aizenwizenn Yeah, mostly proshippers are teens who don't have the idea that these themes are wrong
i can go on and on about why proshippers go onto do this type of stuff, but they’re just human beings at the end of the day, many of them are mischaracterized as evil people who fetishize trauma when they are simply romanticizing or drawing out their own trauma to let out emotions/ come to terms with said trauma (most abuse, sa, and grooming victims take a very long time to come to terms with their trauma, me included, i did not understand that it was never normal and i even got yelled at for not knowing such things were okay.) i sometimes wish people were more open minded with stuff like this instead of sending threats to proshippers or anything of that sort, as they are usually mentally unstable people. i hope they all get the help that they need, telling people to kts over fictional media is actually disgusting, and im upset some have actually gone through with it, i hope more people come to terms with the fact that if you just don’t like a certain proshipper or anything like that, just block them, or send KIND regards towards them and encourage them to get help. it is not that bad from my eyes as it is better than taking it out on others (as seen in documentaries, some teens have murdered over the fact that they cannot get over their sa, sometimes i wonder if people want that more than simply making two fictional characters do things..) of course both are bad, but one is more acceptable than the other obviously, i hope both antis (who harrass proships) and proshippers get better and understand that violence or any sort of harm is not good for anyone.
@aizenwizenn I wish that people was not so mean to proshippers, they have feelings too
Honestly, while I don’t like proshippers, a lot of antishippers are very toxic and I have seen people refusing to call this out, like I’m sorry but I don’t think telling a proshipper to kill themselves and that they deserve their trauma is going to help them get rid of that coping mechanism
@@whiteasparagus4331 im not an anti shipper im simply a normal person. I agree with you!! lots of antis are being mean and stuff. Which isn’t cool of their part
I'm a proud anti and I'm in an antiship discord server and an antiship subreddit. a lot of us don't support harassment and are strictly against it. jsyk
as a former mlp fan, the appleblossom and bigmac vthing was disgusting. why the FREAK are people normalizing this. it makes my stomach churn, and im not even a vict1m of any of these things. wtf
I genuinely thought proshipping was shipping characters that didn’t interact very often T-T
that's rarepair
@@mangle18423 ohhh,that makes more sense now.
My friend thought pro shipping meant you were okay with general shipping. They had it in their bio and we had to explain what it was
@@oop5488that is what it means
I used to proship, a lot, I don't know why because besides my ex gf there is no trauma to be held (I used to proship before the event, which happened when I was 15). I just think I was hypersexual and slowly fell out of it due to the trauma, so I'm not proshippy anymore. I feel incredibly ashamed for it, for protecting my thoughts about it and how anyone should love anyone, but I suppose I didn't realize that kids really cannot consent to those things, since I was a myself a kid who thought I consented to a sexual relationship, while as a matter of a fact, I really had no idea what I was saying and feel disgusted with myself. Hopefully those kids grow out of this phase, too.
I do wanna point out that the definition for the word proshipper gets misunderstood a lot, and the actual meaning is anti-harrassment; darkshippers are the ones that ship illegal stuff. Proshipping was an actual movement so people wouldn't harass each other over ships but obviously now it's becoming a safe space for WEIRD weirdos.
heavy on the last part
Listen I draw g0re as a coping mechanism hate on me, I don't care, but atleast I don't show it to anyone, at least it isn't legitimately illegal????
I've been constantly exposed to that lately.. I have to remember it everyday because of how terrifying it was. Ronnie Mcnutt type of videos.. Thank you for not being weird and sharing it online 🙏🏾
Just a bit of advice, if you proship because of trauma, S@, etc, get a therapist, and i am saying this in the nicest way possible because that's not coping, and as someone who got groomed on roblox as a kid (by a 21 year old who was going to college), it's not like I proship or do anything weird like that in general. If you can't openly vent to a therapist or trust anyone, vent in your notes app and stop being weird because your weird ways may trigger others or cause ,any bad reactions. But like don't proship or support 🍇ape in general
Therapists encourage people to use fiction and art as coping mechanisms, actually.
@SaintCharlos oh.
@@SaintCharlos but they don’t tell people to share it online on websites with algorithms that will serve their video to thousands of other children (both traumatized and not)???? they don’t tell people to romanticize their own abuse to the point where they openly tell others (IN PUBLIC) that they WANT TO BE GROOMED AGAIN??? they don’t tell people to create communities around this that attract groomers and CONTINUES the cycle of abuse????? i don’t understand how you can defend this as “oh it’s a coping mechanism!!!” and “oh therapists recommend you vent your trauma as art!!!” when it’s being shared *very* publicly and at this point feels like a way to get attention more than it is a way to cope. ofc i’ve shared some of my vent works on public social media before (and i think any kid who’s made vent works has) but i think there’s a difference between making vent animatics about your trauma with proper warnings and posting them when you feel better and making cutesy tiktok edits of fictional characters being 🍇ed. At least on ao3 there are ample tags and warnings you can sort out for this kind of thing- on tiktok what people use to tag these works is constantly changing. It’s impossible to completely block it out of your fyp forever; if you watch fandom tiktoks there is a VERY good chance you’ll get a video like this recommended to you eventually, and even if there are trigger warnings at the beginning of the video, it’s going to hurt people (and as I’ve stated before not just because of the content itself).
Its not bad if practiced correctly. Plus, it's not like therapists will see an SA victim and tell them to do that, it really depends on the situation.
As someone who was Physically Abused, I agree 👍🏽
Proshipping when noobcarring walk in:
Noobcarring when hackermotorring walk in:
Hackermottoring when godplaning walk in:
proshippers are made in a factory istg,they all have the same:
style
personality
humor
arguments
fandoms
its so ez to recognize one its embarrassing ;-;
They are always cutecore i swear😭[no offence to the cutecore community]
@Pizzaferretsissuperswag NAHH FR
NAH ACTUALLY THOUGH !?
And sometimes when it's hard to tell you go to their bio and it INSTANTLY tells you when they say "Antis" 💀 like you mean normal people? 😭
FR
@@midanChaos REAL
AND THEN THEY HAVE "ANTIS DNI" BUT PROCEED TO INTERACT WITH ANTIS??? 😭😭
Im trying so hard to be serious and pay attention to what you are saying, but all i can think about is the many times you miss a jump in the obby XD
@@K4ND1-K4T I WAS RAGING
Why do proshippers, z00s, and pedos always have my favorite characters as their pfp... 3:
Like I saw sm said "I proship bc of my trauma, I have a close relationship with my brother" like get a therapy not proship
In my opinion, i HATE proshippers. however, i don’t think people should should send death threats to them who don’t support them because it will not help them in getting better in any way. BUT, proshipping will ALSO not help them. And like you said, along with it not helping them it is NOT helping others or making anyone feel better.
I am not a pro shipper myself but I did have a license therapist and told her about these people posting on social media since it was everywhere and they would say it’s a coping mechanism so I asked her if it is a good coping mechanism and I was shocked when she told me yes IF used the right way because when she has a victim of sa/🍇 they will give them toys to play with to show what happened to them and that’s what they are doing with these children tv shows basically telling their stories yes I do agree they should KEEP IT PRIVATE so we don’t have to get triggered by any of these videos
hooray! you are eligible for the "i am actually correct" ticket! 🎟️
wasnt this obvious i mean maybe it was just me but how did u not know that thye give toys to kids that were (g)raped/sa'd to tell them how did the perpetrator do it
@@dreaming_of_you11 Thanks!
@@XxluckydxggxX yea exactly it’s obvious they give kids or any patient who isn’t comfortable saying that so they give them toys to act it out
@@XxluckydxggxXya that’s what happens
“It’s just a drawing!!!” idc if it’s an drawing it still WEIRD????
imo you should be allowed to depict disturbing topics like this as long as you don’t romanticize them and make it very clear that it’s horrible, show how traumatic it is for the characters involved, etc. having characters you can relate to is super comforting and lets you know you’re not alone
@@disorgan1zedchaos depict them to show awareness, if that’s what you mean.
Yeah I agree. It's not like you CAN'T depict bad topics, but they would have to be researched. Not glorified, romanticized, or justified. Many people are able to relate to these topics, and it's good to be able to raise awareness on how they affect people (or anything else depending on what it is.)
THIS^^ THIS IS SO ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
I say this as someone writing a Scott Pilgrim fan novel that includes a lot of triggering content to raise awareness about how messed-up and traumatizing that type of stuff could be.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, should romanticize this type of stuff. It’s just outright wrong.
And the fact that I’d like to reiterate that it’s a SCOTT PILGRIM fan novel makes it more crazy, I mean…
There are proshippers all over that fandom, but they’re less prevalent than the Loud House or MHA, or Bluey fandoms.
But I honestly, really, really hate proshippers. Especially as I myself am a victim of one I used to know IRL.
Just don't make cheese pizza plz
@ FRFRFR
Pro shipping is literally just an excuse to be a horrible person. XC
Love the video!!!
Once tried to give a proshipper healthy advice and they started harassing me saying I was a hater and sending people and faking claims of me grooming them
Said “frick you, hope things get worse lmao 😂” and blocked them
Yeah that was rude, but I genuinely tried to help them yet they refused my advice. So idc LMAO. Idc if their life sucks anymore, I tried to support them but they denied any help and started to victimize themself.
At that point if they're harassing you, you gotta defend yourself.
0:50 Proship doesn't stand for that, the "pro" means to support(support ships), same with antiship/antis
Proshippers are bad but the point you're making is just "someone might see it so it's bad!!!" when they almost always put a warning in their videos. Writing problematic relationships isn't bad, but proshippers ROMANTIZE it, which invalidates their own/someone else's trauma and just makes things worse for everyone. Not to mention a big part of proshippers are also l0li and sh0tacons trying to normalize their fetishes
I do think some therapist could recommend ths, but just because they don't fully know what it means. Writing this stuff and sharing it does help, as long as you aren't romantizing it(and proshippers do that)
@@nambiqwq ok ty
I would rather to talk to an AI bot because, they are my therapists so.. yeah, hope y’all fine!!
hey, coming as a selfshipper:
how does fucking selfshipping go in the proship basket?? like bro its like making a self insert/oc and just shipping yourself w a character. But for some reason, people are making it bad. With shipping yourself with a like 1,000 year old human/demon/cryptic and the oc is like 12 years old 😭😭 like selfshipping is not even that bad but proships just made it worse
Yea this is true,I wouldn't call myself a selfshipper I just like ocxcanon
Selfshipping, isn’t even bad. People just shaped it in that way :c
@@generic_icewing yeah honestly
@@cybrkiddie hi, I didn’t talk about self shippers. I didn’t really care for them, but yeah i understand!
@@solardoezstuff i know, but like how does it go in the proship basket 😭
Proshipping has ruined the fandom-going experience for me for a couple shows I really like. In both of them, the biggest ship of my favourite character was an ince$t and/or ped0philia ship, and they were so pervasive and I couldn't escape it. What's worse is the people justifying the ship because "they're not related in this AU" or saying they only shipped them in AU where they weren't brothers and thus acting like they were different from pro-shippers. IMO, that's not any better, because they still looked at two siblings and decided they wanted to see/read content of them in a relationship.
Let me guess: Genshin Impact was one of them?
@@invadercat3505 im so sorry u had to go thru that :(
@@PotatoTheShorts987 Nope, the ped0-ince$t one (yup, a double whammy) is from Hetalia, the other one which involved a teenager (maybe pre-teen, it was never clear) and a 1000+ year old guy was from an old Cartoon Network show called Xiaolin Showdown.
@@solardoezstuff thanks, it sucks since fandom-going for one of those shows was a big part of my teenage-hood, but now I'm turned off from it and can't enjoy it like I used to (there are other factors too, but the fact that the fandom is so full of proshippers who are in denial and the fact that I'll easily bump into them is a big one)
@ ya dude we’re on the same page :(
On twitter the proshipping is horrible too, and worst of all is that some proshippers have good artstyles & have no shame. People will defend proshippers and make up excuses like:
"It's only fiction"
"If you don't like it then don't interact, it is that simple"
"There are REAL life problems out there and you're b*tching over fictional proshipping"
Even victims defend these kind of behaviours
While their points are valid, they cannot be used in such contexts. The actions of these proshippers are generally problematic and, even worse, they tend to romanticise, sexualize and/or endorse these taboo "relationships". This issue is very complex and has no true answer to whether or not proshipping as a whole is ethical by the least. I have no say towards proshippers but I am against the act of coupling problematic relationships, whether or not it be fiction or reality.
Also as said by one of my fiends:
"“No love is wrong”
They said.
Yeah correction some types of love ARE wrong."
“Proshippers don’t hurt anyone” YES TF THEY DO. I HAVE FIRSTHAND PROOF
TW: gr00ming and p3dophilia
So as a kid I fell into a circle of content creators who were proshippers and who regularly s3xualized underaged characters, and as a kid who didn’t know any better, I thought they were just joking around and I dismissed that behavior as normal, thus, that sort of thing got normalized to me. Guess what happened? I got gr00med in my teens bc I didn’t recognize my abuser’s behavior as wrong!!! The only reason it stopped is bc he stopped talking to me. PROSHIPPERS NORMALIZED THAT DYNAMIC FOR ME AND I GOT HURT BECAUSE OF IT. Don’t listen to proshippers who say what they do doesn’t hurt anyone. It’s absolute dismissive bs. Their “coping” causes real harm to real people. I’m so glad I grew up to be a well adjusted adult who can recognize problematic dynamics.
I'm so sorry to hear that....hope you're fine! You didn't deserve it! Infact, no one deserves it.
I think they’re disgusting and dislike them as well but what happened to you was unsupervised internet access. They didn’t affect you, your guardians/caretakers let you fall into a rabbit hole of disgusting content.
@@Doritoschiplivingthebestlife that’s like saying that “oh a kid on the playground broke your arm but also the parents weren’t watching to make sure that didn’t happen!!!” why can’t you blame both parties for what occurred??? why can’t you say that the parents should have been watching while also recognizing that the child *broke your arm* and clearly needs to face consequences for what they did???
first of all im really sorry that happened. second of all as a child you should have had your internet access monitored by your parents so that never should have happened. third of all, those were not proshippers, those were pr3d@t0rs hiding behind the proship label. the entire basis of being proship is that it is FICTION, and people should be allowed to explore darker themes in fiction. if a 'proshipper' is pr3ying on real children by exposing them to s3gsu@l content like what happened to you, they are automatically not a proshipper because they are literally contradicting the entire ideology. and the proship community does NOT accept people like that.
"proship, darkship, and comship arent the same!!!!" YOU ARE CHRONICALLY ONLINE PLEASE JUST BE NORMAL AND STOP WRITING INCEST SMUT
Fucks comship?
No, I won't stop writing incest smut behind 18+ warnings because it offends you.
@@mooonblooom so what if I’m chronically online bro, it’s the truth, proship darkship and comship isn’t the same thing. Comship isn’t even bad at all, so is proship (it means that you do not harass any ship no matter what it is). If you don’t do research about that. You’re gonna end up with your brain molded with lies people tell you on tiktok
@@mikeywxy preach ilysm ❗️❗️❗️
@@miau_pepsi ILY TOO 🙏🙏🙏
The mlp video example kinda made me shake and get jumpy. That should not be posted bcuz i feel like scared now..
Reminds me how that one yt made a video on how Proshipper affected them and the proshipping community was making fun of their trauma and saying they were lyjng about being a victim of proshipping.
"Proshippers are anti harassment!!!" Yeah,, uh huh
who wouldve guessed, the incest fandom is really bad
Its only ok if the fiction acknowledges that its wrong
Do you mean like a disclaimer that it’s wrong or like actively criticizing it within the piece of media and not romanticizing it. Because if it’s just a disclaimer while still romanticizing it then that’s still messed up.
@@mothtree7730 more like if its presented as bad, if the abuser is seen as a bad guy by the creator
THIS
Right 💯
real!!
If they would cope while writing stories that show how bad 🍇 and such is, that would actually work!! unlike.. whatever they decide to do instead
"b-but that's how I cope with my trauma 🥺" Why don't you just go to therapy instead?
Lord forbid they can’t talk to somebody about their problems
Its a form of therapy, sometime they cannot talk to people about it or they feel uncomfortable to, its a way for me to cope with my trauma and its a form of therapy for me.
im not gonna act like proshipping is a good coping mechanism, it definitely isnt, but so many people can't afford / don't have access to therapy. also , therapy doesn't make ppl's harmful coping mechanisms disappear. people who have harmful coping mechanisms (like $h) can't just choose to stop coping that way, it's never that easy
@@toxicyaoithey can journal go on walks and enjoy walks and stuff. i do that, but i never [really] (EVER) decided to proship..
@ these are good coping mechanisms, yes , but i’m saying it’s not that easy or simple if they’re already coping in a bad way ,, it takes a lot of time and effort for people to learn how to cope in positive ways
“Pr0sh1pp1ng is a coping mechanism 🥺” DNI 😂😂😂
But it is, or at least an extremely unhealthy one. I mean, just look at the people who engage in it.
(Not a proshippers js saying. )
@@ihatemyself640 ur right, it's a coping mechanism but it's VERY unhealthy since it promotes a bad mindset to the already damaged person. It's kind of like sh, it's a coping mechanism but it's an awful one to fall into (8 months clean🎉🎉🎉)
@@AnimaticAsh that's what I've been saying. Atp it needs like a medical term cause it's actually serious
EXACTLY. 😹😹🙏🙏
@@H1GH_M3PH0NEZ MISTA PHONEEEEE
I hate it when proshippers pull out the “it’s a coping mechanism!!!” Like. How is promoting pedophilic tropes and fetishizing morally disgusting things going to help with your alcoholic dad beating you weekly
I hate it when they use it as an excuse, TRAUMA is NOT your “coping mechanism”
I didn't know what pedophilia was when I was younger I used to ship a problematic ship when I was 11. I thought it was normal, I thought it was okay. As I got older I realized just how messed up and disgusting that was. I used to love that ship but now that I'm more educated and mature I hate myself for ever thinking that was okay. Again I was 11, I was groomed and assaulted at 4 and was taught that was normal.
@@ZKDiamondS exactly why ppl shouldn’t post it on the internet, lots of people like you will think it’s okay. I’m sorry for what happened to you❤️
How many shippers are there rn seriously!?!? dropshippers, proshippers 😭😭😭😭😭
DROPSHIPPERS???💀💀
Don’t forget rareshippers 😓 (probably one of the most common shippers as it’s just liking ships that aren’t canon to the form of media)
And I HATE when half of these proshippers use cutecore aesthetic LIKE STOP RUINING OUR COMMUNITY U TOMFOOLERISH BEING!
FRRRRR I love cute aesthetics and they make it seem like people with cute aesthetics r weird or like this : (
As someone who was groomed by proshippers (and was manipulated into being one when I was younger), I just wish for them to get professional help… I get it can be a coping mechanism but it’s not a healthy one.. just like SH is a coping mechanism that isn’t healthy.
I feel worried about the kids that are a part of the proship/darkship/comship/whatever they call it community… where are the parents.. why isn’t anyone monitoring them.. I’m genuinely concerned for their safety and wellbeing.
Small ramble here.
(I also hate how people are categorizing certain topics as proship… not enemies to lovers isn’t proship, no shipping two characters that are kids together in a nonsexual manner isn’t proship [I’ve seen this brought up the most with queer ships of this type which is hypocritical as most media does this with straight ships.], and no monster x human isn’t proship… doing this either waters down or misconstrues what proshipping is.. unless it’s non-consenting or illegal in age, then these shouldn’t be categorized as such.)
This was a nice watch, keep up the good work, have a nice day/gen.
tysm for informing me, and this actually really helped, since I didn't really know what a proshipper was. All of this is super disgusting, and it's really nice that you're informing other ppl that don't know about it (i'm one of them lmfao)
also, I js noticed that you put resources for victims?? omg!! that is so sweet of you!!! 😭💗💗 i'm very glad that you care about everyone. stay safe!!!!
@@Pinbfdikisser thank you!! you too :3
@@solardoezstuff ty!!!
Last night I saw so many proshipper account and it distraught me.
Idc how traumatized you are, that's not an excuse to fetishize, romanticize, and create literal CP art were you're supposed to be HAPPY and enjoying the fact it's an illustration of a child getting r8ped.
And yes, it's quite literally rotting their brain. Shipping morally corrupt things shouldn't be a coping mechanism. In fact, thats probably the worst coping mechanism you can make up for yourself. Everytime I see these proshipper acts i think of how triggering this would be to (normal, sane) victims. Imagine seeing your abuse and trauma being glorified like that, it's disgusting. And if you're actually a victim and not using the victims you're disrespecting the heck out of for you sick messed up fetish and fantasy, then you just hurting yourself more. You're basically self harming. What happens to you is not ok and now your fantasizing about it like it is ok.. Thats what abuses would want. You're enabling more abusers and influencing young children to soon become victims.
Idc if it's "fictional" its still CP!!! You're still fetishizing other peoples trauma and abuse!! It will NEVER be ok under ANY circumstance!!!
“b-but their coping!!” brother then keep it to yourself? listen, i wanna help you, but you dont have to tell everyone that you like ped0ph!la.
Yeah, like you should probably keep that more private dude
its honestly disgusting by posting it. if your fantasizing about stupid shit you should ACTUALLY keep it private. go make disgusting little headcanons and keep it in your drafts. as an ALSO victim of SA it disgusts me how ppl normalize this.
EXACTLY
ME TOO
@@f0urxy4 yeah i agree!!
Agreed like at least keep it to yourself
4:47 releasing intrusive thoughts is a true way to cope, but it isn't true that posting these videos is a sane way to do this. Alas, I've personally coped with abuse with art, but the only time I showed it to other people was when my therapy required to do so. I find proshipping really disgusting as even if this making people feel better it brings a lot of harm to do those abused and opportunities to abusers to do so
Yeah, I cope with my intrusive thoughts by going on AI bots where I know no one will see it for a reason
Because it's just gross and I hate it-
i have been exposed to that disgusting crap at one point by being exposed to 🌽 of sonic x tails... fiy: SONIC IS A GROWN ASS MAN AND TAILS IS A CHILD
@@rtyyty_2010 exactly it’s so scarring to see that 😭
Also Sonic in many canon is Tail’s adoptive father
I personally hate sontails but they don't even have canon ages anymore so ppl take that to advantage
aren’t they both 15 and 7 respectively
@@Iapere02 i just said they don't have canon ages ☠️
Sincerely i think you can proship IF YOU KEEP IT TO YOURSELF because it can affect other people. Tbh I still don’t get how it’s suppose to make you cope. But I think they are just ruining themself and making their trauma worse.
Edit: 4:07 I hope you are good now 🩷
1:53 To be honest, this whole issue has bothered me a lot. Every time I entered TikTok there were always videos of proshippers, and this caused me to stop using that app. Literally watching the first example of the video made me very angry. Big Mac is my comfort/selfship character, and seeing people do this to him makes me feel really bad. They always say that their actions don't hurt and you just have to get over the content. But just thinking that there is something like that about x character that I like, makes me have a kind of rage attack 😞
@@Dodobok Im so sorry that happened :(
@solardoezstuff Dw, and thank ya ❤️
I found a proship account. They were shipping bluey and the dad from bluey it was the sailor song animation meme… i tagged the account in a proship anti video and they changed there account completely😂😂