I agree with him on one thing, and I don’t like the double standards some people have when they defend this in HSR. I remember WuWa was heavily criticized in version 1.0 for use of technobabble or jargon, yet I never heard how Luofo or penacony practically drowned us in technobabble or jargon. Reignbow arbiter? Matrix of prescience? Ambrosial arbor? Sainctus medicus? Vidyadhara? Giathara triclops? Watchmaker? Meme? Memory zone? Memoria? Dreammaster? Self-annihilator? Lots of philosophic babble too with weak presentation. Heck, if you didn’t play HI3, welt and acheron’s convo feels awkward as hell.
the double-triple names for EMANATORS, ANNIHILATORS, PATHS OF ORDER, PROPAGATION ETC., WEIRD ALIEN RACES (like gallagher) yeah we're all phd in metaphysics here
No it doesn’t lmao. Using big words confuses people we get it, but these games come from some of the most well educated nations. Just read more. All of those things, are proper names for various things. Lan, the thing Fu Xuan uses to do divination, Ambrosial Arbor is literally the name of the Tree Yaoshi planted, Sanctus medicus is a faction of people that follow abundance, same w Vidyadhra(hint it’s Dan Heng). I could go on but yea ultimately, most gacha gamers don’t/can’t pay attention long enough to understand what’s going on. It’s sad you’ll never understand what’s truly going on here lol
@@DragonSlayer79513 It seems you’re confusing understanding and presentation. It’s not that I or many don’t understand, and I definitely did. It’s just the presentation of it. You can be dissatisfied with the presentation. I’m not even afraid to criticize my favorite game. I love WuWa and actually understood the lore and terminology, but even I can acknowledge that things could have been presented in a better more fluid or more well paced way, especially in version 1.0.
@DragonSlayer79513 I agree with this comment. These "complicated words" you guys keep referring to are just easily explainable things said differently, and people just have different names for things. It really isn't that hard to get unless you're illiterate... oh wait.
14:10 at the start of hsr, they also did a lot of angle switches and included more expressions, but with the success of the game they just stopped doing it as much after a while- which is a real bummer since this actually got me so hooked after seeing those dead and vacant faces in genshin for too long
@@Kyle81290 true, i dont play genshin that much but i notice they literally improve that part, even a little. Less doing the same motion and better dynamic.
The only moment I excited is when 5 sec pre rendered cutscene appears. Why not just real-time render all this animation though? They got the money but choose dgaf.
You should please, please please try wuthering waves. The amount of times I screenshot the screen when I'm in character story is just... Way too much 😂 10+ in each story because the scenery and the angle is so beautiful and cinematic..
Still disappointed Duke Inferno got off screened… come on dude he was so cool. I wanted to see more of his gang as well, so many were hyped over the trailer for them all…and they didn’t even step a foot inside Penacony. They could’ve at least animated the fighting scene between Acheron and Duke Inferno instead of a PowerPoint slideshow :/
The gang isn´t dead (outside of duke inferno) and will be playable in the future. This was confirmed in a CN interview from the devs, but it will probably take some time for their release.
I kind of agree but i feel like it was intended to be like that... They are bunch of miserable maniacs who are and will never be noticed by their aeon no matter what they do.
@@DarkSideOfMirror Yeah I never got why people just assume this or where they got that anybody else besides Duke Inferno got merced by Acheron. I guess people just don't really actually follow the lore and go off of hearsay from incendiary hot take CC's that also don't really actually play these games all that much.
@@panjipewewe all know, duke inferno is the only one died cause he don't surrender to Acheron's request to only give his invitation to her because of his Pride as someone wanting to follow the path of destruction. But it's not the case for his sons and daughter who is spared by acheron and even one of them was already showed in the story.
Wuwa made so much about characters expression to make the dialogue time more lively and then they add the Skip button to also please the non-story enjoyer too. Even if the game is not on top, i still have big respect for them
@@SShyuka I haven't played Wuwa yet, but it looks like a really promising game. HSR devs take note about us HSR players wanting to have a room of our own, maybe they'll consider adding a skip button? Learning from other games is not a bad thing at all❤
@@Zielle4951 Wuwa doesn't have deep lore like Hsr or GI, they're still pretty new to this but during Dialogue Scene, their character doesn't always standing 1 place, at least now they do a much better work compared with 1.0
@@SShyuka Thank you for your sharing, I really enjoy playing HSR, but I aware that HSR has a lot of aspect can be improved. In the next survey, I hope the devs consider adding character expression, skip button, and continue to improve the quality of the game.
Looking at HSR objectively, it's kinda mid at best. It's a shallow turn based game with next to zero skill expression that relies entirely on character roster and Relic luck to "get good". They also keep introducing new mechanics that ignore the core combat "rules" they set up just so that they can sell you new toys without actually putting any meaningful thought or nuance into the kit design. As a "gacha", yeah it might be pretty good, but as a "turn based RPG game" it's got basically nothing going for it.
so how is that any different from other turn based games like say epic7? Atleast there no bullshit with the dev doing crap like "creating a problem" by purposely creating overtuned pvp units and selling you a solution.
Nah I think you’re dragging it, for a turn based rpg it does really well at keeping it entertaining, even the guy in the video says the combat is amazing, the problem is how slow and bad its story telling is but if you don’t care about the story telling the game will appeal to you simply from the combat because it actually makes the turn based rpg entertaining with all the different characters and their play styles along with new mechanics like exo toughness and the new enemies like hoolay who will actually make you think on how to play
@Condensed_rock fr i said too those people like if moc getting harder then 4 star can't clear end game then .. do you know what they said .. of course they tryna sell 5 star soo 4 star is not needed .. like these people cope soo hard when 4 star supposed to also help you with end game .. if someday 4 star can't clear it then it's a matter of when the old 5 star will be useless and no point of using it anymore.. i already complain soo many times explaining that sometimes i feel like everyday people getting dumber and dumber
true you need the latest dps WITH their best in slot or 2nd best in slot team comp to achieve ANYTHING. Not just one character, but a WHOLE ASS TEAM. And if you want your dps to stay relevant for more than 3-4 patches and not replace them, you better get at least E2S1
Throwing this out there because i havnt seen it said. Belobog was definitely a better told story but penacony i think "feels" better because the atmosphere was amazing i never felt more immersed then what was going on in penacony even outside of the cutscenes the amount of character you find just running around the streets was so fun to experience man it made me so excited for the future
@@MatthewCJoy its literally just a copy paste of the new hope story. Character finds out person/group is evil -> character joins underground resistance -> character with help of underground resistance beats big bad enemy. The end.
"skip button for the story = less engagement to the story = more enjoyment for the story" The math doesn't add up 😂 Inb4 "less is more" bullshit cliche, do something else while HSR plays auto in the background, but we don't talk about that do we?
@@Grayewicked you do realize youre not helping their case at all right? People want to enjoy the story but why should people sit through 6 hours of still frames and lengthy dialogue when 9/10 times they already summarized what needs to be said 30 mins into a conversation. The problem is that if you’re going to not add a skip button then either make what’s being said something that’s actually worth consuming by adding new angles animations and shortening the dialogue so it’s not a 6 hour yap fest about shit that doesn’t matter.
@@Grayewicked Take a look at Wuwa, they really make the dialogue screen with character look a lot more lively to not make us think it's a VN screen. Then they add a skip button in case players doesn't like it BUT ALSO give a summary of what happened around that time, they not just skip it, they sort it and send you to cutscene if available.
Hoyo is too busy selling characters. Penacony had such a bloated roster that they had to kill off Duke Inferno and his gang. Then there was a post somewhere regarding Duke Inferno's members and apparently going forward, they will be irrelevant or something like that?!? Wtf was the point in making that dope ass trailer for them? Even then, the roster was STILL bloated and had to fast track 1 quarter of the roster with the Myraid Celestia trailers. Amphoreus having 12 new characters isnt going to make it great. Slash that roster down to 6 and then you can tell a proper story with its characters rather than selling characters and pumping out a trash story.
i think amphoreus is just a reference to flame chasers in hi3. it wouldn’t make sense to have 6 characters lmao. i know there are 13 flame chasers, but i’m sure there’s a reason why 1 is missing in hsr
I see that triller of those organization i thought it gonna be next story about it but insted they make the new one like wtf those character gonna be at
It's literally bait on a hook for sometime in the future when they will randomly drop one of them in the small mini story patches after the main story parts (like the Fexiao-Huolay story) to get some people who quit to maybe log back into the game.
Alright I love HSR but if we want to be honest about the game issues I hate when devs are so lazy they twist the story to keep reusing the same damn asset Lets help Luka, oh no he have halucionations that magicaly make him see good old boss like Cocolia.. Bronya.. and what a coincidence Svarog was there too and end up being a contestant.. clearly not cause there is a Svarog boss.. Its the same shit as having Argenti in every damn competition just because he's one of the only character with a boss version, which was even made fun of in an ingame dialogue showing how they are aware of that... I am bored when its always the same boss and same decors reappearing constantly as if they didnt have the budget to modify any detail or use any of their existing models to make a boss.. at least to not re use the same one for the 1000th time
@deskaramadhan_4kb054 I mean he make a fair point in the vid, because we like certains games we sometime end up ignoring issues they have that we would demolish other games for, like genshin, so its only fair to have constructed criticism on games you like to hope they get better
If they made the effort of making dynamic conversations instead of stale standing around in a circle talking, much like they do in WuWa. The actual dialogue would be more engaging. They make way too much money to copy paste the dialogue delivery from Genshin Impact. Even ZZZ varies its delivery with use of dynamic comic panels, and lengthy cutscenes that show emotion. Yes ZZZ still has "standing still" delivery at times, but theres a better balance.
TO BE HONEST, I've been starting to get more and more frustrated by HSR... Penacony in retrospect was only alright imo, Belobog is still my favorite story arc. Also constant powercreep, break meta (I hate that playstyle), summon meta is coming and I also think that is gonna be miserable and the best support is my most hated character (Robin). ALSO THE RAPPA QUEST WAS THE BIGGEST FEVER DREAM I'VE EVER WITNESSED IN MY LIFE HOLY SHIT. I can't really put it into words really but all of this in combination, I'm just not enjoying the direction the game is going rn and I HOPE 3.0 will change that
Penacony was way, way, way too long, the story was all over the place at times, the "walk on walls" segment was cool the first time and a pain in the ass all the other times. I was actually one of the 12 people who liked Rappa, pulled for her, and then did the newest event story which was so fkn bad and childish it was actually unbelievable. If this is the writing we can "look forward to" in the new planet that might be it for me, lmao
Preservation has the most dried up unit roster to date and we only got 1 after reaching Penacony. It’s deadass just been 1 preservation unit per world and the space station is where you get March
I absolutely agree on Aventurine. Even more so when in next version, they literally have this man saved off-screen. Apparently Argenti saved him or some bs like, but this is something that happened completely off-screen and it's only ever mentioned in a random message that Aventurine sends to the player daily when you log in.
I think the problem with penecony it has a constant fever dream setting its great at building up at the hype and makes u curious on whats going on further down the line but in the end, nothing really happand and its like what did i miss? nothing cuz there wasnt anything going on in the first place.
It's worst when Firefly and Aventurine story literally had nothing to do with Penacony, so they had to forced Penacony world building to be v2.2, however: 1. No clarification on Dr.ratio using Aventurine to trick Sunday to gain his trust 2. the existence of the IPC was conveniently non-existent 3. how did Argenti randomly in Penacony and how did he magically saved Aventurine 4. How did "Sigonian stereotype" came to be when Sigonian lives in constant poverty and they're being sold to IPC as properties by their own people? 5. How did Dr.ratio not know about Aventurine's past when he's the head of the intelligence guild for the IPC? (answer: to bait cheap sympathy on Aventurine's character and to lowkey ship the two character together) 6. What was even the purpose of Sparkle in Penacony outside of putting us into the real dreamscape when she was built up by youtube trailers, and "hints" in her character story, that she will wreck havoc to everything but rather, she was a good guy helping NPC. The fact that her character was edgy but no balls ruined this character for me. 7. WHY DID PENACONY NOT EVEN WENT INTO ROBIN AND BUILDING HER UP AS A PLOT DEVICE to go up against Sunday? 8. How DID v2.2 aftermath not make Penacony shareholders lose their sht, 107k+ victims, hard enough to the point of them ruining the entire Penacony stock badly enough that IPC could've easily brought out their entire business? 9. Oti didn't done sht but somehow he's getting blamed for everything and the air of "competence" that was shown in v2.3, was just him.... To put it in an analogy, it's like Oti tried to negotiate with a butter knife to someone that has millions of military tanks. That whole negotiation thing was stupid. 10. Aventurine appearing inside of the dreamscape when he's light years away as a hologram, but don't you need the dreampool to enter the dreamscape? The writer breaking his own game logic. And why did he appear as a hologram inside of v2.3 dreamscape when he could literally turn into anything? 11. Boothill, march 7th, Himeko, Topaz, etc, had no story involvement, they're just there and forgotten. 12. Acheron, us, Sunday, and Blackswan were the only characters in the story. I don't even want to include Firefly or Aventurine here because Firefly just left us in the middle of Sunday fight (never fought the order, faceless corrupt family members, and Sunday), and Aventurine who brought us to "dead" Robin couldn't put 2 and 2 together that he needed to die by "death" and not Acheron to get to the watchmaker. 13. The "wake up" line when nobody did woke up, in fact, the aftermath of Sunday, the head of the family's betrayal did nothing to Penacony at all, or its market. 14. The Security for the 5* hotel was garbage, so conveniently bad that they let a bunch of people invite criminals to take part of an important festival (duke inferno, wanted by the IPC boothill, etc), or how they don't even do proper screening for every visitor when they're supposed to. But I do understand, this is so Firefly, Boothill, SW, etc, can roam around without affecting the cheesy HSR story filled with ab unch of plot convenience elements.
@@Qopa 1. dunno what you even mean..it was clarified right after the fake betrayal. 2. the only person who was allowed to enter the dreamscape was aventurine 3. argenti was invited to penacony which was also mentioned before. I can understand the critic about the offscreen rescue, but doing the random nature of doing amazing stuff fits to argenti established character from his companion quest and other patches. 5. Aventurine just didn´t told him. He was established as someone who hide his fragile self and play a role to protect himself. Only Jade and Topaz know about it. Dr. ratio isn´t even the head of the Intelligentsia Guild..he´s just a member. 6. Sparkle is still not a good guy she just accepts every job if its fun or well paid. That´s why she´s even helping sunday to play the role of a fake robin as well, even tho she´s scheming Plan B to blow up the dreamscape in case the Trailblazer fail. Later she use the buttons for the fireworks instead and execute a metaphorical death for firefly. Sparkle mentioned in her profile that she loves to play a backround character or the bad guy. I do think her twist was pretty statisfiying because I didn´t expect her to work with silver wolf the whole time. It was also clarified that she knew about elios script, which explains why she know so much stuff since 2.0. Her task was to make firefly´s third death less painful and help the TB to chase after the truth of penacony. The knowledge of the "childs dream" dreamscape was an important location for 2.2 to find the watchmakers legacy and the death meme was basically the key to reach the true penacony. She also was important for aventurines story as well. I´m sure we see more of her in the future. 7. Fair. Robin was on the weaker side (due to the lack of screentime in previous patches) for me even tho I really enjoyed her story with sunday and the final act. 8. The family still try to hide the whole incident to the outside world. All of the victims were in a comatose state when they were "killed" by the death meme and woke up in the real penacony. Real death was not possible because of Ena´s protection. 9. Oti got blamed because he´s now the current head of penacony after sunday was arrested. So he has to face the full consequences. I Don´t agree that the negotiation was dumb because Aventurine´s involvement was the key to win the debate. He was basically in huge danger after acheron attacked him and the family promised that no one will die in a dream. Acheron is an emenator of nihility and the true enemy of the order, so she can even destory the layers of ena´s protection. The family failed and still try to cover the whole incident, which isn´t an easy task and Jade got the upper hand in this case. So your metaphor fits but it was already planned from Jade and aventurine to begin with. 10. All of them were already in a dreamscape since the beginning. misha´s existence in the hotel was already foreshadowing and your example probably as well. 11.Boothill was important to shoot tiernans bullet. This was also the reason why acheron introduced herself as an galaxy range. She tried to provoke an actual Galaxy ranger to take the bait and boothill answered to it. I agree that the writers could do more with him as the character, but the penacony arc was just his introduction. He will probably have more relevance when oswaldo schneider gets introduced, but it was already nice to see more of him in 2.6 already. The writers proofed that old characters (yanqing in 2.4-2.5) get focus and a continuation of their character arc in new patches. As for topaz and the rest..yeah they were just there. 12. Firefly´s arc was still well made and I´m sure we see her in the future as well (It was at least teased after she find new hope after Jade´s offer). Aventurine and Firefly, who both have a deep inner tendency to escape reality, accepted this feeling and ultimately rejected it. That's why I personally Love Firefly's Dialogue with sunday. In Theory the "sweet dream" could be the ideal "utopia" due to her illness and her wish to be recognized as firefly instead of Sam. However, her resolve was pretty strong during this Scene and she realized that people Just run away from themselfes and being trapped in this Delusion. I can understand that it was kinda unstatisfiying for you that she leaves tho, but her actions (to experience a second "death" to save everyone) were very important to escape ena´s dream. Another thing to note: It was already implied that Firely knew the Trailblazer already, which fits to kafka´s companion quest. The Tb was actually trained by kafka and even Blade remember about them. So i hope this will get explored further in the future. 14. Gallagher send the invitations to make people chase after the watchmaker legacy and uncover the truth of penacony before its too late. He made the invitations legit in the system of penacony´s database. This is pretty easy for him to pull of as an History Fictionologists.
@@lovecraft2892 i never said i didnt understood what happand its just this: Something is happening, Scary somones about to die or what not. and forgetfull acheron granny has to make way to long ass lines and stuff. but in the end there isnt 'Really' anything going on and its just a yap fest like the whole sunday sequence was so bad you basicly can explain it into this: i am a bad guy but please symphathize with me and let me explain i got my reasons. and after doing all sorts of mini games he tries to explain again just to show hes just a bad guy and hes forcing his bad ideals onto another. they work it well up in the start, but in the end u can conclude it a nothing burger and thats just only of the things going on. also they skip on everything thats build up and happening Aventurine going through the nihil blackhole area or what not, gets explained its dangerous and prolly never comes back. next time u see him as if nothing happand just on the locaton he suppose to be no explanation what so ever what happend there
Not even that, at least VNs use sound effects and music to help the narrative. HSR literally just has the characters stand still, with bland ass background music, no camera angles and just have them yap.
@@ectoBiologist21 True. Muv Luv Alternative is a visual novel and that game kept me hooked for the ENTIRE 50 hour story, and I still consider it the best piece of fiction I ever read (we don't talk about the anime adaptation).
Wuthering Waves is going to keep aging like fine wine while hoyoverse games start to fall off. I wish Wuthering waves had those anime graphics from hoyoverse games though.
They are bad at making games and writing but they are good at selling product/characters and marketing, basically. And make old characters irrelevant to sell new ones (both in story and meta). They are also unable to make meaningful endgame content beyond just giving mobs more hp.
Fun fact game is not for everyone xd Also wuwa aging like wine i not sure but it sure have better perception. As for breaking news welp are u new in hoyo game xd we already know they love to yap the story heck even in hi3 if you mot prepare the 1 hour of just yap do yeh
Tbh i hated Penacony because it was so unnecessarily convoluted with so little actual combat. I preferred the idea of Belabog in the sense that the trailblazers reached an isolated planet and have to resolve it's issues to get to the stellaron. The laofu (pt2) was cool with expanding the universe by introducing the intergalactic political show of force. But penacony was trying to do like a 4-way covert power struggle with conflicting interests even within each of the factions. If i wanted something that convoluted i would get into IRL politics
You had me until you praised the China region story that is by far the worst story in the game I would say its worse than any Genshin story its that bad.
1. No clarification on Dr.ratio using Aventurine to trick Sunday to gain his trust and what that had led up to. 2. the existence of the IPC was conveniently non-existent 3. how did Argenti randomly in Penacony and how did he magically saved Aventurine 4. How did "Sigonian stereotype" came to be when Sigonian lives in constant poverty and they're being sold to IPC as properties by their own people? 5. How did Dr.ratio not know about Aventurine's past when he's the head of the intelligence guild for the IPC? (answer: to bait cheap sympathy on Aventurine's character and to lowkey ship the two character together) 6. What was even the purpose of Sparkle in Penacony outside of putting us into the real dreamscape when she was built up by youtube trailers, and "hints" in her character story, that she will wreck havoc to everything but rather, she was a good guy helping NPC. The fact that her character was edgy but no balls ruined this character for me. 7. WHY DID PENACONY NOT EVEN WENT INTO ROBIN AND BUILDING HER UP AS A PLOT DEVICE to go up against Sunday? 8. How DID v2.2 aftermath not make Penacony shareholders lose their sht, 107k+ victims, hard enough to the point of them ruining the entire Penacony stock badly enough that IPC could've easily brought out their entire business? 9. Oti didn't done sht but somehow he's getting blamed for everything and the air of "competence" that was shown in v2.3, was just him.... To put it in an analogy, it's like Oti tried to negotiate with a butter knife to someone that has millions of military tanks. That whole negotiation thing was stupid. 10. Aventurine appearing inside of the dreamscape when he's light years away as a hologram, but don't you need the dreampool to enter the dreamscape? The writer breaking his own game logic. And why did he appear as a hologram inside of v2.3 dreamscape when he could literally turn into anything? 11. Boothill, march 7th, Himeko, Topaz, etc, had no story involvement, they're just there and forgotten. 12. Acheron, us, Sunday, and Blackswan were the only characters in the story. I don't even want to include Firefly or Aventurine here because Firefly just left us in the middle of Sunday fight (never fought the order, faceless corrupt family members, and Sunday), and Aventurine who brought us to "dead" Robin couldn't put 2 and 2 together that he needed to die by "death" and not Acheron to get to the watchmaker. 13. The "wake up" line when nobody did woke up, in fact, the aftermath of Sunday, the head of the family's betrayal did nothing to Penacony at all, or its market. 14. The Security for the 5* hotel was garbage, so conveniently bad that they let a bunch of people invite criminals to take part of an important festival (duke inferno, wanted by the IPC boothill, etc), or how they don't even do proper screening for every visitor when they're supposed to. But I do understand, this is so Firefly, Boothill, SW, etc, can roam around without affecting the cheesy HSR story filled with ab unch of plot convenience elements. bro, lazy af writing which directly translated to v2.4-v2.6 where they're just reusing assets at this point
Penacony wasn’t THAT good. The plot was overly convoluted and not satisfying. “Everyone could be lying” yeah but… not really… only technically. The lying didn’t matter in the end and everyone became friends. Felt forced. Also, quite a few characters could’ve been completely taken out of the story and nothing would need to change. For example: Boothill. What was his relevancy on Penacony? HSR just pushed new characters who we had no time to get to know or care about at us for the sales. They’re Mihoyo so it’s expected, but it led to a really non-fleshed out story. Shame the minority’s going to be drowned out by the loud majority who say Penacony is peak and people who didn’t like it can’t read. Hoyoverse needs to hear the criticism if we don’t want a repeat of Penacony’s problems on Amphoreus. As someone who didn’t like Penacony’s plot, I can still admit there’s some parts I enjoyed. Like when it ended. XD In all serious, yeah, the first part wasn’t bad. I was interested in the whole mystery around Robin and Firefly’s death, but they overused the false deaths. Even with Jiaoqiu in later patches. I’ve only played HSR, so do characters who die not sell well or something? Also, I 100% believe the Annihilation Gang actually getting to Penacony would’ve made it a much better story. Sunday and Aventurine as antagonists were eh, but Duke Inferno could’ve been an actually irredeemable villain we’re allowed to hate. The hype around him only for him to be offscreened was annoying and didn’t have the shock value HSR was going for.
it felt like they had a clear plot developed and ready to go until someone suggested to make a complete overhaul last second, which is what I think actually happened witn Firefly/Sam plot. Remember Kafka's Myriad Celestia trailer? Sam said something like "you should stop playing with your food Kafka" but the way Firefly was presented I could never imagine her saying something like that
@@zealgaming8161 i think it was 2.3, was the most boring patch ever in honkai starrail for me. all the hype build up on whats going to happan before those patches, and then nothing happend and it was a yapfest and sparkle playing a prank yay..
tbh my brain went numb after the first hour. It's too much info dump with different PoV for one brain. don't ask me what happened in "peakacony" for I remember nothing 🤕
I just hope hoyo reduce the lifeless yapping that has sentences that extends for no reason in Amphoreus but since the writer for that arc is Fanchuan, the guy known for writing visual NOVELS of Durandal and Anti Entropy, im afraid there might be a lot of dialogues 😭 also he wrote Kolosten/Otto's arc(which was my favorite) but ill keep my expectations low for now
The problem is that HSR is busy selling characters rather than telling a story with its characters. Penacony had a bloated roster that they had to kill off Duke Inferno and his gang. Even then, they had to release 6 Myriad Celestia trailers for half the Penacony roster to fast track its characters. Amphoreus is gonna have the same issue with 12 new characters and trying to complete said within 4-5 months... 4-5 months because that's how long Shitty-cony took
just what is the need for all this excessive dialogue? this is a problem in hoyo games (there might be other games with this problem) and it rlly makes the story less interesting I think the story is fine, they need to fix how it is executed and how the dialogues are after playing ghost of tsushima, it made me realize how much hoyo games yap. what? do they want a longer playing time from the gamer or smth?
also with zzz, I've heard ppl say that they are getting more straight to the point, and I can kinda see that for me, chapter 3, jane's special episode and chapter 4 were so good
@kuvjason7236 bro..the gang isn´t dead..it was also confirmed by the devs. They will be playable in the future and the story made it clear that all of them (outside of duke inferno) escaped. Black swan also talked to one of them during the story.
to be fair i feel like HSR will become like genshin impact at one day and than it will go from HSR to ZZZ. I mean its all from the same company anyways. To be fair after the robin story i kinda of fell out of love for HSR as it was easy for me to get good 5 stars without putting money into it and easily grind the levels out which i don't mind at all. As its easy to max level the characters than genshin impact does it. For me i feel like HSR is more like a story watching than a gameplay. While with ZZZ the story arcs are short but the gameplay is to long. With genshin i just wish there was a skip button for certain things as than i would have played genshin impact more. Than also the animation with the characters. Now for me i do wish for ZZZ events kinda of last a little bit longer i felt like it goes by fast.
Honestly good take, zzz to me feels like a decent balance ngl, except in the newer patch bc ppl wanted the tv maze gone which I mean literally what’s the point that’s where most of the story comes from during hollow parts
@@Cold_Loser They're taking the criticisms with regards to TV mechanic. It's a creative way of storytelling but can easily be overused, so them taking feedback is a positive.
surprised people only noticed this now i dropped hsr and genshin until they implement a skip button so i can read what im interested in and not waste my time.
@@wifi961 ZZZ has it so idk why Genshin and Star Rail wouldn't? Also, to what benefit does it leave for hoyo to leave out a skip button? People who don't care for the story or what's currently going on will just left click through it all anyway, it just wastes time.
It's easy to skip go through it one time them intentionally die. Personally I don't get why people want to skip the story is a key point the event I understand wanting to skip text and whatever hsr did halfway penacony where it was just mindless talking.
The Penacony arc to me felt sort of like the newer Star Wars trilogy. As if a new directer had taken over for every patch and kept changing the direction of the story. 2.0 felt like it was going to be a detective arc with the whole 'everyone could be lying' bit and Sparkle's potential to disguise herself as anyone. This is the direction I personally wished they had gone in, because knowing that there could be little clues hinting that someone might be Sparkle made the dialogue much more interesting. But of course, they had to go and kill off the Sparkle hype by almost totally forgetting about her for the next 2 patches only to reveal in 2.3 that she WASN'T the evil agent of chaos we expected, but a goofy prankster instead. I don't hate the direction they took her character in, but as someone who was drawn into Star Rail because of Sparkle's trailers and had been eagerly anticipating her in the main story, it was...a bit of a letdown.
@@aditradityagreed8067I mean wasn’t Da Wei celebrating in one of the Genshin anni livestreams about how many words they’ve squeezed into the game? Wouldn’t surprise me lmao
@@aditradityagreed8067 most game story writer are payed based on how much they wrote... so it's not that uncomon... of course there's some studio that do differently, but normally they are paid based on words count
Tbh, my attention span with HSR has dropped significantly after we revisited the Chinese ship and the arc with slumbernanas. I realised I feel this way after I stopped spending money. This means that our interests in the game's story is tied to whether we spent on the game or not. Once we spent, we subconsciously value it more so we became more mentally & emotionally invested in the story and content. Once we stopped spending, you can finally evaluate the game without biasness of sunk cost. Same goes for every other gacha games in general. Try playing a non-gacha game like Metaphor ReFantazio and detox from gacha sunk cost. It's also turn based but you see how much better is that game's story compared to HSR.
I gonna repeat myself but.. For some reason hsr players have an aura of elitism when it comes to Genshin players but both of those games share some of the same problems. Bloated dialogues, overexposition, fake deaths for a shock value (Firefly, aventurine etc.), underdeveloped characters, Acheron's nonsensical motivation just because she is emanator of Nihility making her more of a plot device then character (she did all of this in panacony to put flowers on the grave of the person she barely interacted with, she herself said that it was pointless) etc. But tbh the "underdeveloped characters" point is a problem with all gachas since they introduce too many characters to the point it's impossible to give them proper care and screentime. Because they focused on selling the characters not giving them proper development. The only gacha that doesn't have that problem is PGR and I hope Kuro follow the steps of pgr in wuwa. For now Wuwa did a decent job at focusing on playable characters instead of npcs and they are not releasing that many characters. There always will be unimportant/underdeveloped characters in any stories but it feels like it's true for majority characters in Gachas. For example Stanley from PGR (chapter 17 character) is just an npc and he's better written than most of the other gachas characters.
@@tabkg5802 Tbh you can't call Ritsuka a self-insert after LB6 and now currently on Ordeal Call, ma boy suffered way too much now, even Dantes is having a hard time holding Ritsuka's mind in one piece
I've been saying that for a whole year. I wanted to add, they explain made-up word with another made-up word, like fking, all the time. What was the writer thinking? If you also look back at v2.4-v2.6, they SAID IT HAPPENED BEFORE v2.0-v2.3 (Penacony), but how the fk did we get Boothill in v2.5 and him pointing out that we met in v2.0-v2.3? Also, the amount of reuse assets in the wardance. AND HOW THE WARDANCE WASN'T EVEN ABOUT LUOFU ANYMORE, IT PROMOTED Luka MORE SO THAN LUOFU. Even with that in mind, it makes no sense that we're being treated like a VIP when we only own 5% of Penacony's shares when you need to have at least 20%-50% for that kind of treatment, or in a side quest where we became a receptionist for a day. Or the childish and lame-ness of both the back story and the voice lines. This writer is literally a fking kid, mentally, who wants to get taken seriously.
Also, the whole blackswan and Acheron pretending that Firefly had died, knowing very well that "DEATH" can't happen at all inside of the dreamscape. In fact, Acheron mourning for "her death" was actually her mourning for a random friend through a fake death scene in the game. That fake death then get a music to play it off like it's real. Or the watchmaker's legacy, the whole legwork yap talk, gave us a power completely unrelated to the watchmaker completely, in fact, we got a random fking hat lmao. The whole Penacony story was a fking joke with plot holes, plot contradictions, and plot conveniences. And btw Firefly only appear in Penacony to fake die because she fought nobody. Aventurine who knew where robin went, what killed her, but decided to get cut by acheron to reach the watchmaker. No logic in the writing at all.
5:26 I hate that you cant just change the dialogue speed or have it advance text when i click instead of waiting for a bit then it advances (please just take inspiration from visual novels). Also i kinda just want a legit novel for this stuff
Tbh, I will completely agree that penacony story was a freaking snoozefest, the fact you can't skip it is crazy, I stopped playing in penacony even though I like the gameplay and endgame systems. The story was just a giant wall that I got bored hitting my head against. Every single character is speaking with riddles, trying to look smart but it ends up just being boring. Fights were ok, but I stopped after aventurine boss so dunno if there might be great ones later
@@jhon5149same. a lot of people say it’s power of friendship bs but the only team was the astral express (obviously) + robin who was always on our side, it’s not that deep😭 people don’t seem to understand that not all the characters turn into good people. more than half the characters are antagonists and that doesn’t change because their stories aren’t even played from the mc’s perspective. like, aventurine, yes, we saw his tragic backstory but from HIS perspective. that doesn’t make him a good person in the lore, he’s still a villain. also off topic but people are complaining about amphoreus characters being lazy design making but it’s literally a honkai game. what do you expect when they’re based off the flame chasers? i cant deal with genshin players bro they’re brain dead
The snoozefest for me was Luofu entirely, shit was boring af to me except the fake tingyun part and some of DHIL. Penacony is what really immersed me into the story, and the final fight was epic.
I actually really liked penacony, but I also 100% agree with his opinions. I’m glad there’s people out there to talk about the game like this, so that maybe the devs listen and change it. The narrative experience in HSR deserves to be as fun and engaging as the rest of the game is.
The one hypocritical thing he says is that he wants show dont tell, but doesnt want to have the other perspectives to play with when that is showing instead of telling you it happened later. Also I don't know what bro was talking about when he said they didn't explain emanators or the Order because they explained both of those and if he still didnt get it there is a data bank that has key terms if he needed them.
In my case, it all boils down to preference. That means whichever's dailies I can finish in less than 5 minutes and which account is more blessed by RNGesus. Just happened to be Star Rail.
Lol, never cared about the plot. I still don't know what's happening in the star rail world. I'm only interested in pulling characters, building them and dealing big numbers plus clearing the tough contents. That's all.
The story telling always bother me in HSR because the character barely move, March is suppose to be an expression character yet she stands still like a twig in the ground, I appreciate the smaller movement but it’s not enough, then you see Wuwa giving so many expression in their quest and a lot of unique interaction in each new main quest, Can HSR just please add a skip button just like in ZZZ a short summary of what happened, even Wuwa decided to add the short summary before you skip.
He is right though Penacony have a good story his only complain is the freaking dialogue bloating I'm sure majority of players just keep tapping next and not even reading all those dialogues.
The problem with hoyo writing style is, they always try convey the simplest things in such a roundabout way. If you compare it to other story rich games, 20 mins of dialogues in BG3 or Kiseki series give you equal amount of informations as 60 mins of dialogues in GI or HSR. And my sole complaint that somehow has been fixed in ZZZ is that they didnt allow us to tap next after we're done reading the dialogue, instead there are short waiting period which become unbearable as it went on.
Massively agree with video on this one. >duke inferno getting off screened after massive buildup. >the shitty trashcan memes >the shit intergallictic baseballer event >that stupid photo event with trashcans The events as well as the story have been sub par for a while.
I want to get this off my chest. I do love Penacony. The setting and ideas with it are awesome. But in particular the patch where we got the Sunday/Septimus fight? It dragged horribly. It took like 10-12 hours which would be great as a game you don’t HAVE to pay for. But the dialogue dragged. I had to get through that in 3-4 sittings because I just wanted them to get to the point. On the whole a great story and interesting planet. But they needed to trim the fat in a fair few places. Edit: so much tapping that I nearly missed the big moment of Acheron revealing her name. Still a cool moment but goddamn there’s so much bloat. And then when we are in story battles we’re forced to be in normal speed. Which wouldn’t be the worst thing if normal speed moves at near negative speed. The recent Hoolay fight was PAINFULLY slow. I despise the normal speed.
Bro definitely has valid points I agree with. Once we got to Penacony, the story really started to drag on which got me frustrated. It was the first time it reminded me of Genshin levels of yapping in HSR. At least in HSR, they have interesting story bits and most importantly, I like how a lot of older characters make a return to the story, even if brief. Seeing them interact with other characters in different worlds and play a part in the new story is always nice. Gameplay is very fun, but I hope they start investing in more dynamic storytelling and longer cutscenes. Basically like ZZZ.
I will say while penacony did have a crap ton of yapping and not a lot of fighting it gave us a really good world building of the area. I definitely agree we should have had more fighting in general though 😅 (I say this as a glazer)
I also agree penacony story was quite boring , and people said penacony was peak an whatnot , and i dont even wanna say anything to them cuz i know they gonna defend it till the death
@@ilovewagner different people have different taste Xd, im growing up playing turn base jrpg from ps1 ff series,legaia,suiqoden,breath of fire etc, most of this game side quest even main quest is only back and forth from city to another city just to talk and get information from npc, kinda get used to and when i play game like the witcher 3 for the first time, i just spending most of the time talking to npc because lot of them have different dialog and story lmao
I love HSR but for god’s sake that 2.6 Rappa quest was about to make me go mentally insane. It took 8 hours of so much ridiculous yapping, the actual monkeys and bananas were so insanely fucked up. I hope I never have to go through that again
Either way, I am too invested in the story to back out of HSR now. Sure story telling could have been better, but still better QoL then the previous game that came out so imma stick to HSR, Zenless, Wuwa and other games that "I" like😂
12:30 ngl I can see that too but I think its because they probably needed to make aventurine likeable for his banner sales especially if he's the first phase of the 2.1 update. He needed a reason not to be skipped by Acheron so they probs just wanted people to sympathize with him and make him more appealable to a wider audience. Just imagine if people skipped aventurine because of his portrayal in the main story quest but then after playing his optional story quest (if he had one sperate from the main story) would instantly regret skipping him after his banner is already gone. His banner sale would have probably plummeted compared to Acheron and we would have had the best re-run banner yet. Unfortunately, Most gatcha games ideology is all about the now and new rather than the old and rerun.
i agree tbh, i did like the characters for penacony at least most of them but i actually disliked doing the main story quest for it ,it was so boring i didnt care about the lore at all i just wanted to be done with it :x
What kept me through Penacony was seeing all the different interactions between the various new factions. But I also see why this may end up affecting the story telling aspect. Constructive criticism is a good thing and we shouldn’t ignore the flaws in HSR (as well as other gacha games). Just glazing and looking at the postive aspects will not contribute to making the game better. Overall I’m looking forward to the 3.0 story and see what they will deliver.
finally i thought i was crazy i totally agree with him penacony was nothing but alot of yapping and talking with minimal fighting and all they did was constantly make everything more and more complicated and adding too many plot twists and without giving closure to previous plot twists and it felt like i was studying calculus because everything made so little sense unless you're a nerd who has nothing better to do but to sit and read HSR for 8 hours a day everyday
Shaoji was a mistake to add to HSR and you cannot tell me otherwise. His reputation is what carried the hype for Penacony, only for him to fumble everything and make the story worst. He is the singlehandedly the reason I want the skip button to exist.
It's because the yapping has reached a new level of absurdity. I've skipped the entire dialogue of 2.6 because it was the most boring ass shit I've ever seen in a video game.
Dawg I thought I was the only one. I be clicking away begging for it to end. It's like I get dopamine from the combat then the long ass talking comes back.
@@cherozkiahyusof4902 witcher 3 has skip button but most ppl plays that game for the story and it has almost none useless yapp every game needs skip button note: note sorry i was sleepy i read your comment in diff way
@@Luendrax FINALLY SOMEONE BROUGHT UP W3 DIALOGUE QUALITY. Skip button is needed for every game whether it has perfect story or trash story like gachas. Annoying thing is hoyo thinks their pathetic stories are great and wont add skip button out of arrogance. People are not sick of a lot of dialogues, people are sick of horrendous storytelling and bloated dialogues. No skip button should not be acceptable in this age
Not going to lie it’s extremely refreshing to see someone call out the static camera angles and basic poses in the story telling. This applies to all hoyo games but people would have you believe the story telling is incredible. It’s crazy to me that a company that makes nearly 8 figures a month can’t produce a better presented story outside of the high quality 20 second cutscenes during 4 hour segments. Even the gameplay is incredibly simple and mind numbing.
Its so funny how , when penacony was airing everyone was shitting themselfes with how incredible it was , yet now suddenly everyone calls its mid , not that i am surprised since they day i did 2.2 story after it took me to days to sit through these 9 hours of this nonsense with no ending i didnt touch the game since , and seeing clips of 2.3 story which was supposed to be a big conclusion to this beloved by everyone story , turned out to be a set up for firefly and trailblazer handholding scene since her banner was airing , my will to play the game faltered even more
It really doesn't feel any deeper than back when that story was going on we didn't have these Wuthering Waves CC's and their audience's pretty noticeable hate boner against the Hoyoverse games to spread all these videos around and get a Tectone reaction. That's what's very noticeably changed and why all of a sudden this total 180 in certain circles regarding the game. Not even just that the maybe somethings weren't as good as I thought at the time, but in fact it was always complete and utter dogshit or whatever is the sentiment being expressed here exactly. The gacha community is just fucking wack in 2024 and opinions are shifting seemingly over night in some cases.
TBH, 2.2 is the point I already start losing interest. 2.0 is the introduction, 2.1 is building up Aventurine and Archeron, although not great, 2.2 has so many unsatifactory conclusion that make 2.0 and 2.1 bad in retrospect. Aventurine going to the other side of dreamscape no pay off, we didn't get to see in it and he just get out with nothing to show. Firefly's date, death and reveal as SAM, all for what? A second date then fly off right before the big boss. What a let down. Boothill vs Acheron, no fight, no Boothill hunting her down. Just a small talk and they're cool. Robin's murder mystery. She wasn't on screen for much before her death and the mystery get dropped almost immediately. Black Swan and Sparkle mind bending power didn't get much of a use at all.
If they add a replay feature for quests in HSR they'd have to streamline the dialogue so it wouldn't take so long to do. I'd like to be able to replay things to see Cutscenes again as the pre-rendered cutscenes and those pictures that are displayed aren't available to view outside of the quest and some of them would be cool to have as wallpapers.
For myself, I ended up quitting the game entirely after Penacony, and I was a day 1 player. I just felt as though I've had my fill, and the stories I was invested in didn't have the payoffs I wanted ("death" in Penacony is some cute pet, Aventurine did jack shit, the quintet resolution was dogwater). Still though, at the time I felt that I was having an okay experience, even in Penacony. It's only now that I realize how much I was tolerating this game just because Belobog was so damn good. Whoever that HI3 writer is should quit his dayjob.
I loved his video. And I think as players we do need to be open to criticism and sometimes need to agree when there are fair points that are being made about the bad things in the game. If we don't listen, the Devs will also ignore the lacking aspects and not actively work on the game for a better player experience anymore. Been playing and loving hsr since release, but there are so much things that could be done in order to make the game as great as it could be, still too much potential wasted imo.
Alot of Honkai Star Rail story issues could be fix by an 3-5 mins cinematic cutscenes like in HI3rd since it could give us some pay off even the road on the way there is rocky. I just don't get how the last cutscene in penacony is 5 secs of Robin catching Sunday falling.
If you want the yapping, you play the story. If you want gameplay, you take a break from the story, pause, and do side quests/simulated universe/MOC/etc. The story in HSR is literally the yap. If you're a new player and you play the entire game in a few sittings, that's a lot. If you've been playing for a long time, you're already caught up, a few hours of new yap and lore every month or so really is not that overwhelming, especially if you do it over the course of 2-3 days while doing your other dailies and whatnot.
This is literally the reason i quit hsr during early penacony. That and also the most fking drawn out boring events. Thats 90% of the gameplay and it sucks. And these stories becoming more and more complicated, like why? If i play for 1 hour per day, do you think i’m going to understand your complicated fictional world? And then all these characters talking in some high valerian language like nah bro, rather watch a movie or play candy crush at this point
I think the resource required to do a "tell" sequence is lower than a "show" one. Probably why we see a lot of yapping instead of a show in most gacha.
Gacha story is just not that great, and its crazy to me how some players hype it so much. People see a well animated fight scene amidst all the senseless yapping and act like the whole story is amazing because of that. I tried all these Mihoyo gachas, read the dialogues, and I wasnt really impressed by any of them. Even Wuwa, which is my fav gacha right now, I admit the story is also nothing that amazing. All these gacha stories pale in comparison to actual RPGs. Gacha is a genre of games where the writing is not that important, their priority is to sell the characters, so its really no surprise when storytelling is an afterthought.
23:12. agree he dont need to put the edit in the end. Heck he dont need to most of the video at all. Theres already people that will see his video title and his affiliation with kuro, tgen draw conclusion from there.
Penacony was weak for me… I think persona 5 royal did the whole dream thing better. Sunday was a dogshit villain compared to the main villain in the royal version of p5… they should have doubled down making Gallagher the villain tbh that was more interesting
@zephyr.GG26 I've not finished Penacony because I kinda dropped HSR but the way they told or shown Maruki's side of the story is a perfect example of show don't tell. It's done extremely well and it really hits you with the right moments and feels.
Bro didn't just compare a gacha game to AAA games for the story. Of course Persona 5 will win lol. Let's be honest here Story in so many gacha games are just 2nd or 3rd priority. The first priority will always be The Characters that will be your Waifus/Husbandos. That's always the strategy of so many gacha Devs to attract players to play their games.
@@arkcanon1282 but character designer not working on a story line, why i cant compare a story in a AAA game and a gacha game, where exactly story makes more sense in terms of make hype moments
Instead of a bar sequence we should have received a scene of argenti saving aventurine, or firefly ‘sacrificing herself’ according to acheron. She said that but nobody can tell me wtf firefly actually did while she was off screen. It’s too vague.
I actually found the fact that he hated the way HSR tells the story, but enjoyed FF8, interesting. FF8 was awful imo, and between the unlikable characters, boring story, and stupid Laguna side quest that doesn't pay off or make sense until the 3rd disk, it was just terrible. One of the few FF games I didn't finish, and I honestly one of the worst games I've ever played.
HSR is overshadowing his wuwa, which almost all casual players hates because of their gloomy art that alone just makes hsr far more great for them. Also wuwa story is mid i don't get why they're hype for such shallow plot, there's nothing to theorize about
@Yaoyue春 I don't think the WuWa story has been anything special, which sucks because I enjoy watching lore videos and doing deep dives. However, I find running around and hitting the buttons fun, so it's a good time IMO.
@Yaoyue春 do you realize they've changed the voice direction from 1.0? They are changing things too little by little and you act like he doesn't criticize WuWa 😂he did a live podcast with captaincabintez and he talks about the shiit WuWa lacks or when it comes to the storu
@Shhh_94 most people don't resonate with their artstyle, my girl is one of those and i understand her because the artstyle is really dark and not casual friendly. What you said they've improved, yes but the entire 1.x experience pretty much ruined the game for some ppl, you need to release the game on perfect condition, not on just combat but with lore, voice, immersion etc. i don't feel immersed but i do enjoy the controls so i messed around it for a long time.
now heaven burns red is here, hsr is gonna have some competition in story telling. That game may have alot of yap too but it's very entertaining and immersive bc most of the time it's the mc interacting and you're actually there rather than a side character
@@Pe_ikiexcept in most games there’s actually some kind of reason for that random fight happening and it serves as a breather before going into the next section
Honestly I agree with him, I loved HSR all the way until Penacony, played 4 hours into it, then never touched the game again. I have visual novel games made for what Penacony was doing, and they are told much better...
I kinda liked that Sunday took the time to educate us on the history of Penacony and had the star rail crew engage in his hypotheticals to see if they'd take the same path he did. He was wonderfully written and him along with Aventurine were some of the only redeeming factors of Penacony. I didn't really care about anything else there though tbh. HSR needs a skip button desperately.
remember guys always rant about the big Games with huge communities if you want to farm clicks as a CC because putting in this much work for a small title enrages less people defending their waifus!
I saw someone in the live comparing it to persona but in persona there is less yapping and more gameplay grind than what hsr offers lol. Even better you can fast forward or skip unlike hsr and any other hoyo games
Honestly that vid helped me understand why I can’t get into star rail, honestly one thing I can say is if this was just a 3D visual novel that costed $15 it would do numbers but they tried to make it into a turned based rpg gacha that for some reason doesn’t have you do combat half of the time
Honestly, at this point I think people just ACTIVELY NOT WANT any story to be told to them. A skip button's not gonna add more enjoyment, people will press the everliving shit out of it, and STILL not understand anything that's story related.
Not really. Because hsr have replay story, right? I don't know. But i can say that i skip everything on nikke except prologue but still play this game since day 1
@@roslanhaikal7242 yeah, there's the damn Data Bank, but people ALSO do not want to actively go there to look back for any missed details either. Most of the people who complain about the story being unskippable, complain about it because they do not want the story. Wuwa having a skip button never really contributed to the increase of satisfaction to the story, but the decrease of dissatisfaction towards it, however, I can see.
Well, there was barely any meaningful story in the last 3 patches(only couple characters from 2.6 are worth mentioning and even they will be forgotten for a year or so) so looks like "Hoyo LiStEnED"
I want a story, but I also want a game, not just constant text. At this point I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just let videos of the game run in background while I'm on a walk with my dog.
if the story interest me especially when there's my favorite character involved, i'll read it sure, but when it's the yapping, istg, i wanna skip so effing bad like side stories or events.
8:33 he wants constant battles without realizing that in hsr battles end really fast. If it was just battles there would be like no content. Yes more fighting would be nice but we can't make the entire game fighting.
i mean hoyoverse cinematic framing maybe need work, but how much the original text is lost in translation because english localizer dont have the same flowering wordplay like the original chinese text.
I think some ppl don't like these games because they don't like to read. You can read a book if you want to read instead of playing a game, true, but to just not pay attention to dialogue and lore and then call a story mid is literally like judging a book by its cover. With that being said, I NEED a skip button in HSR too.
lol, i don't even think people who said penacony genuinely sit through all that yapping, elongated, stretched out, dialogue, that could've been summarized in few words, with simpler terms, and clearer points to be made. Yes i made this comment longer than it needs to be.
@@Shineigra I'd like to say a whole lot of the "yapping" made sense since it told a lot of info about characters from different factions and different backgrounds. They didn't just add random dialogue just for the heck of it. Besides, any story can be summarized in several sentences so what even is the point.
If im willingly reading the story in pgr (which is a damn visual novel) and agonizing in hsr story that means reading is not the issue storytelling is. Every game should have skip button in this age whether its masterpiece or biggest piece of dogshit.
he right. part of the main reason i don't do tb continuance quests. its torture to go through them when they kinda don't add anything to the main plot line, and you have to sit and listen to a lot yap that overall isn't important and you don't have a skip button. like im here to see trailblaze story lines and we got them from 2.0-2.3. meanwhile 2.4-2.6 are all filler patches. like why do i have to wait almost a year for this game to continue its main story line. genshin, and some other games does this too ofc and its annoying as hell. the only game i play that has story nearly if not every patch is hi3, and at this point hi3 might catch up to hsr storyline wise and i wouldnt be surprised if it passes it
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I agree with him on one thing, and I don’t like the double standards some people have when they defend this in HSR. I remember WuWa was heavily criticized in version 1.0 for use of technobabble or jargon, yet I never heard how Luofo or penacony practically drowned us in technobabble or jargon. Reignbow arbiter? Matrix of prescience? Ambrosial arbor? Sainctus medicus? Vidyadhara? Giathara triclops? Watchmaker? Meme? Memory zone? Memoria? Dreammaster? Self-annihilator? Lots of philosophic babble too with weak presentation. Heck, if you didn’t play HI3, welt and acheron’s convo feels awkward as hell.
the double-triple names for EMANATORS, ANNIHILATORS, PATHS OF ORDER, PROPAGATION ETC., WEIRD ALIEN RACES (like gallagher)
yeah we're all phd in metaphysics here
No it doesn’t lmao. Using big words confuses people we get it, but these games come from some of the most well educated nations. Just read more.
All of those things, are proper names for various things. Lan, the thing Fu Xuan uses to do divination, Ambrosial Arbor is literally the name of the Tree Yaoshi planted, Sanctus medicus is a faction of people that follow abundance, same w Vidyadhra(hint it’s Dan Heng).
I could go on but yea ultimately, most gacha gamers don’t/can’t pay attention long enough to understand what’s going on.
It’s sad you’ll never understand what’s truly going on here lol
@@DragonSlayer79513 It seems you’re confusing understanding and presentation. It’s not that I or many don’t understand, and I definitely did. It’s just the presentation of it. You can be dissatisfied with the presentation. I’m not even afraid to criticize my favorite game. I love WuWa and actually understood the lore and terminology, but even I can acknowledge that things could have been presented in a better more fluid or more well paced way, especially in version 1.0.
@DragonSlayer79513 I agree with this comment.
These "complicated words" you guys keep referring to are just easily explainable things said differently, and people just have different names for things. It really isn't that hard to get unless you're illiterate... oh wait.
@@DragonSlayer79513 the world building is trash dude, read a book
14:10 at the start of hsr, they also did a lot of angle switches and included more expressions, but with the success of the game they just stopped doing it as much after a while- which is a real bummer since this actually got me so hooked after seeing those dead and vacant faces in genshin for too long
Meanwhile Genshin started using more angle switches and camera movement
@@Kyle81290 true, i dont play genshin that much but i notice they literally improve that part, even a little. Less doing the same motion and better dynamic.
The only moment I excited is when 5 sec pre rendered cutscene appears. Why not just real-time render all this animation though? They got the money but choose dgaf.
@devilstequila Genshin is still a great game cope and stop hating XD.
You should please, please please try wuthering waves. The amount of times I screenshot the screen when I'm in character story is just... Way too much 😂 10+ in each story because the scenery and the angle is so beautiful and cinematic..
Still disappointed Duke Inferno got off screened… come on dude he was so cool. I wanted to see more of his gang as well, so many were hyped over the trailer for them all…and they didn’t even step a foot inside Penacony. They could’ve at least animated the fighting scene between Acheron and Duke Inferno instead of a PowerPoint slideshow :/
The gang isn´t dead (outside of duke inferno) and will be playable in the future. This was confirmed in a CN interview from the devs, but it will probably take some time for their release.
I kind of agree but i feel like it was intended to be like that... They are bunch of miserable maniacs who are and will never be noticed by their aeon no matter what they do.
@@DarkSideOfMirror Yeah I never got why people just assume this or where they got that anybody else besides Duke Inferno got merced by Acheron. I guess people just don't really actually follow the lore and go off of hearsay from incendiary hot take CC's that also don't really actually play these games all that much.
if duke inferno not died, acheron cant go to penacony...
cause she not invited....
@@panjipewewe all know, duke inferno is the only one died cause he don't surrender to Acheron's request to only give his invitation to her because of his Pride as someone wanting to follow the path of destruction. But it's not the case for his sons and daughter who is spared by acheron and even one of them was already showed in the story.
Not only does WUWA have a skip button but they also have a brief written summary of the scene you skipped. Personally I think this is the best way.
Wuwa made so much about characters expression to make the dialogue time more lively and then they add the Skip button to also please the non-story enjoyer too. Even if the game is not on top, i still have big respect for them
@@SShyuka I haven't played Wuwa yet, but it looks like a really promising game. HSR devs take note about us HSR players wanting to have a room of our own, maybe they'll consider adding a skip button? Learning from other games is not a bad thing at all❤
@@Zielle4951 Wuwa doesn't have deep lore like Hsr or GI, they're still pretty new to this but during Dialogue Scene, their character doesn't always standing 1 place, at least now they do a much better work compared with 1.0
@@SShyuka Thank you for your sharing, I really enjoy playing HSR, but I aware that HSR has a lot of aspect can be improved. In the next survey, I hope the devs consider adding character expression, skip button, and continue to improve the quality of the game.
Sad, but Wuwa still trash
Looking at HSR objectively, it's kinda mid at best.
It's a shallow turn based game with next to zero skill expression that relies entirely on character roster and Relic luck to "get good". They also keep introducing new mechanics that ignore the core combat "rules" they set up just so that they can sell you new toys without actually putting any meaningful thought or nuance into the kit design.
As a "gacha", yeah it might be pretty good, but as a "turn based RPG game" it's got basically nothing going for it.
so how is that any different from other turn based games like say epic7? Atleast there no bullshit with the dev doing crap like "creating a problem" by purposely creating overtuned pvp units and selling you a solution.
@@kmel3588 Classic whataboutism. Both are bad...
Nah I think you’re dragging it, for a turn based rpg it does really well at keeping it entertaining, even the guy in the video says the combat is amazing, the problem is how slow and bad its story telling is but if you don’t care about the story telling the game will appeal to you simply from the combat because it actually makes the turn based rpg entertaining with all the different characters and their play styles along with new mechanics like exo toughness and the new enemies like hoolay who will actually make you think on how to play
No shit even old pokemon games is much more fun than HSR😂
Dumbest take I've ever heard in my life.
They have a big issue with powercreep it's getting out of hand , other than that everything is good/getting better
Hp inflation is getting ridiculous
@Condensed_rock fr i said too those people like if moc getting harder then 4 star can't clear end game then .. do you know what they said .. of course they tryna sell 5 star soo 4 star is not needed .. like these people cope soo hard when 4 star supposed to also help you with end game .. if someday 4 star can't clear it then it's a matter of when the old 5 star will be useless and no point of using it anymore.. i already complain soo many times explaining that sometimes i feel like everyday people getting dumber and dumber
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Yeah my well built e0 Dhil is doing no damage
true you need the latest dps WITH their best in slot or 2nd best in slot team comp to achieve ANYTHING. Not just one character, but a WHOLE ASS TEAM. And if you want your dps to stay relevant for more than 3-4 patches and not replace them, you better get at least E2S1
Throwing this out there because i havnt seen it said. Belobog was definitely a better told story but penacony i think "feels" better because the atmosphere was amazing i never felt more immersed then what was going on in penacony even outside of the cutscenes the amount of character you find just running around the streets was so fun to experience man it made me so excited for the future
I don't get why people glaze belobog so much its the most generic story out of everything in the game
@@Fr00steel take holy cow
@@Fr00stee Generic, but it was executed well, that's why it didn't feel like a drag to go through.
@@zeroliner4034 that is true however imo that still doesn't make it all that memorable, all it does is serve as a good introduction into the game
@@MatthewCJoy its literally just a copy paste of the new hope story. Character finds out person/group is evil -> character joins underground resistance -> character with help of underground resistance beats big bad enemy. The end.
Boothill being more of an important character in the Rappa quest than in his release patch:
HSR Story= 6hrs
*HOYO adds skip button*
HSR Story= 30mins
Yeah, basically.
"skip button for the story = less engagement to the story = more enjoyment for the story"
The math doesn't add up 😂
Inb4 "less is more" bullshit cliche, do something else while HSR plays auto in the background, but we don't talk about that do we?
@@Grayewicked you do realize youre not helping their case at all right?
People want to enjoy the story but why should people sit through 6 hours of still frames and lengthy dialogue when 9/10 times they already summarized what needs to be said 30 mins into a conversation.
The problem is that if you’re going to not add a skip button then either make what’s being said something that’s actually worth consuming by adding new angles animations and shortening the dialogue so it’s not a 6 hour yap fest about shit that doesn’t matter.
@@Grayewicked Take a look at Wuwa, they really make the dialogue screen with character look a lot more lively to not make us think it's a VN screen. Then they add a skip button in case players doesn't like it BUT ALSO give a summary of what happened around that time, they not just skip it, they sort it and send you to cutscene if available.
@@SShyuka Ik right, these people are rejecting these Qols, meanwhile Hoyo eventually added it on ZZZ lmao.
Hoyo is too busy selling characters. Penacony had such a bloated roster that they had to kill off Duke Inferno and his gang. Then there was a post somewhere regarding Duke Inferno's members and apparently going forward, they will be irrelevant or something like that?!? Wtf was the point in making that dope ass trailer for them? Even then, the roster was STILL bloated and had to fast track 1 quarter of the roster with the Myraid Celestia trailers.
Amphoreus having 12 new characters isnt going to make it great. Slash that roster down to 6 and then you can tell a proper story with its characters rather than selling characters and pumping out a trash story.
Them killing off Duke inferno is what made me ultimately quit the game after I finished Penacony
i think amphoreus is just a reference to flame chasers in hi3. it wouldn’t make sense to have 6 characters lmao. i know there are 13 flame chasers, but i’m sure there’s a reason why 1 is missing in hsr
I see that triller of those organization i thought it gonna be next story about it but insted they make the new one like wtf those character gonna be at
It's literally bait on a hook for sometime in the future when they will randomly drop one of them in the small mini story patches after the main story parts (like the Fexiao-Huolay story) to get some people who quit to maybe log back into the game.
The Annihilation Gang wasn't killed off. Acheron only killed Duke Inferno. The rest of the Annihilation Gang is still alive.
The speed of light fears the speed with which i clicked this video
That’s actually creative, take this like
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Alright I love HSR but if we want to be honest about the game issues
I hate when devs are so lazy they twist the story to keep reusing the same damn asset
Lets help Luka, oh no he have halucionations that magicaly make him see good old boss like Cocolia.. Bronya.. and what a coincidence Svarog was there too and end up being a contestant.. clearly not cause there is a Svarog boss..
Its the same shit as having Argenti in every damn competition just because he's one of the only character with a boss version, which was even made fun of in an ingame dialogue showing how they are aware of that...
I am bored when its always the same boss and same decors reappearing constantly as if they didnt have the budget to modify any detail or use any of their existing models to make a boss.. at least to not re use the same one for the 1000th time
u such a chad bois.. speak the vital criticsm point from your experience coz u love the game. I appreciate that
@deskaramadhan_4kb054 I mean he make a fair point in the vid, because we like certains games we sometime end up ignoring issues they have that we would demolish other games for, like genshin, so its only fair to have constructed criticism on games you like to hope they get better
Completely True . Dam gredy bastards
Come try Limbus bro. Experience a game built with Passion and Love 😅
@@Interstice1994is it a mobile game?
If they made the effort of making dynamic conversations instead of stale standing around in a circle talking, much like they do in WuWa. The actual dialogue would be more engaging. They make way too much money to copy paste the dialogue delivery from Genshin Impact. Even ZZZ varies its delivery with use of dynamic comic panels, and lengthy cutscenes that show emotion. Yes ZZZ still has "standing still" delivery at times, but theres a better balance.
It's a shame that even the more dynamic dialogs in Wuwa don't help it stop being a piece of boring shit.
@@broccoli5176 Wuwa story being shit wont instantly make HSR better lol. Both are just as shitty, difference is the other game let you skip it lmao
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TO BE HONEST, I've been starting to get more and more frustrated by HSR... Penacony in retrospect was only alright imo, Belobog is still my favorite story arc. Also constant powercreep, break meta (I hate that playstyle), summon meta is coming and I also think that is gonna be miserable and the best support is my most hated character (Robin). ALSO THE RAPPA QUEST WAS THE BIGGEST FEVER DREAM I'VE EVER WITNESSED IN MY LIFE HOLY SHIT. I can't really put it into words really but all of this in combination, I'm just not enjoying the direction the game is going rn and I HOPE 3.0 will change that
Penacony was way, way, way too long, the story was all over the place at times, the "walk on walls" segment was cool the first time and a pain in the ass all the other times. I was actually one of the 12 people who liked Rappa, pulled for her, and then did the newest event story which was so fkn bad and childish it was actually unbelievable.
If this is the writing we can "look forward to" in the new planet that might be it for me, lmao
Preservation has the most dried up unit roster to date and we only got 1 after reaching Penacony.
It’s deadass just been 1 preservation unit per world and the space station is where you get March
Best support for summon is NOT Robin, its Sunday.
Robin only buffs summons/FUA thats about it, new summons are catered to be independent units
Belelobog was boring except for the last part. Penacony was peak since its release
@@sahilm483 robin is Fua. For the feixiao mains
I absolutely agree on Aventurine. Even more so when in next version, they literally have this man saved off-screen. Apparently Argenti saved him or some bs like, but this is something that happened completely off-screen and it's only ever mentioned in a random message that Aventurine sends to the player daily when you log in.
I think the problem with penecony it has a constant fever dream setting
its great at building up at the hype and makes u curious on whats going on further down the line
but in the end, nothing really happand
and its like what did i miss?
nothing cuz there wasnt anything going on in the first place.
It's worst when Firefly and Aventurine story literally had nothing to do with Penacony,
so they had to forced Penacony world building to be v2.2,
however:
1. No clarification on Dr.ratio using Aventurine to trick Sunday to gain his trust
2. the existence of the IPC was conveniently non-existent
3. how did Argenti randomly in Penacony and how did he magically saved Aventurine
4. How did "Sigonian stereotype" came to be when Sigonian lives in constant poverty and they're being sold to IPC as properties by their own people?
5. How did Dr.ratio not know about Aventurine's past when he's the head of the intelligence guild for the IPC? (answer: to bait cheap sympathy on Aventurine's character and to lowkey ship the two character together)
6. What was even the purpose of Sparkle in Penacony outside of putting us into the real dreamscape when she was built up by youtube trailers, and "hints" in her character story, that she will wreck havoc to everything but rather,
she was a good guy helping NPC.
The fact that her character was edgy but no balls ruined this character for me.
7. WHY DID PENACONY NOT EVEN WENT INTO ROBIN AND BUILDING HER UP AS A PLOT DEVICE to go up against Sunday?
8. How DID v2.2 aftermath not make Penacony shareholders lose their sht, 107k+ victims,
hard enough to the point of them ruining the entire Penacony stock badly enough that IPC could've easily brought out their entire business?
9. Oti didn't done sht but somehow he's getting blamed for everything and the air of "competence" that was shown in v2.3, was just him....
To put it in an analogy, it's like Oti tried to negotiate with a butter knife to someone that has millions of military tanks.
That whole negotiation thing was stupid.
10. Aventurine appearing inside of the dreamscape when he's light years away as a hologram, but don't you need the dreampool to enter the dreamscape? The writer breaking his own game logic.
And why did he appear as a hologram inside of v2.3 dreamscape when he could literally turn into anything?
11. Boothill, march 7th, Himeko, Topaz, etc, had no story involvement, they're just there and forgotten.
12. Acheron, us, Sunday, and Blackswan were the only characters in the story.
I don't even want to include Firefly or Aventurine here because Firefly just left us in the middle of Sunday fight (never fought the order, faceless corrupt family members, and Sunday),
and Aventurine who brought us to "dead" Robin couldn't put 2 and 2 together that he needed to die by "death" and not Acheron to get to the watchmaker.
13. The "wake up" line when nobody did woke up, in fact, the aftermath of Sunday, the head of the family's betrayal did nothing to Penacony at all, or its market.
14. The Security for the 5* hotel was garbage, so conveniently bad that they let a bunch of people invite criminals to take part of an important festival (duke inferno, wanted by the IPC boothill, etc),
or how they don't even do proper screening for every visitor when they're supposed to.
But I do understand, this is so Firefly, Boothill, SW, etc, can roam around without affecting the cheesy HSR story filled with ab unch of plot convenience elements.
@@Qopa 1. dunno what you even mean..it was clarified right after the fake betrayal.
2. the only person who was allowed to enter the dreamscape was aventurine
3. argenti was invited to penacony which was also mentioned before. I can understand the critic about the offscreen rescue, but doing the random nature of doing amazing stuff fits to argenti established character from his companion quest and other patches.
5. Aventurine just didn´t told him. He was established as someone who hide his fragile self and play a role to protect himself. Only Jade and Topaz know about it. Dr. ratio isn´t even the head of the Intelligentsia Guild..he´s just a member.
6. Sparkle is still not a good guy she just accepts every job if its fun or well paid. That´s why she´s even helping sunday to play the role of a fake robin as well, even tho she´s scheming Plan B to blow up the dreamscape in case the Trailblazer fail. Later she use the buttons for the fireworks instead and execute a metaphorical death for firefly. Sparkle mentioned in her profile that she loves to play a backround character or the bad guy. I do think her twist was pretty statisfiying because I didn´t expect her to work with silver wolf the whole time. It was also clarified that she knew about elios script, which explains why she know so much stuff since 2.0. Her task was to make firefly´s third death less painful and help the TB to chase after the truth of penacony. The knowledge of the "childs dream" dreamscape was an important location for 2.2 to find the watchmakers legacy and the death meme was basically the key to reach the true penacony. She also was important for aventurines story as well. I´m sure we see more of her in the future.
7. Fair. Robin was on the weaker side (due to the lack of screentime in previous patches) for me even tho I really enjoyed her story with sunday and the final act.
8. The family still try to hide the whole incident to the outside world. All of the victims were in a comatose state when they were "killed" by the death meme and woke up in the real penacony. Real death was not possible because of Ena´s protection.
9. Oti got blamed because he´s now the current head of penacony after sunday was arrested. So he has to face the full consequences. I Don´t agree that the negotiation was dumb because Aventurine´s involvement was the key to win the debate. He was basically in huge danger after acheron attacked him and the family promised that no one will die in a dream. Acheron is an emenator of nihility and the true enemy of the order, so she can even destory the layers of ena´s protection. The family failed and still try to cover the whole incident, which isn´t an easy task and Jade got the upper hand in this case. So your metaphor fits but it was already planned from Jade and aventurine to begin with.
10. All of them were already in a dreamscape since the beginning. misha´s existence in the hotel was already foreshadowing and your example probably as well.
11.Boothill was important to shoot tiernans bullet. This was also the reason why acheron introduced herself as an galaxy range. She tried to provoke an actual Galaxy ranger to take the bait and boothill answered to it. I agree that the writers could do more with him as the character, but the penacony arc was just his introduction. He will probably have more relevance when oswaldo schneider gets introduced, but it was already nice to see more of him in 2.6 already. The writers proofed that old characters (yanqing in 2.4-2.5) get focus and a continuation of their character arc in new patches. As for topaz and the rest..yeah they were just there.
12. Firefly´s arc was still well made and I´m sure we see her in the future as well (It was at least teased after she find new hope after Jade´s offer).
Aventurine and Firefly, who both have a deep inner tendency to escape reality, accepted this feeling and ultimately rejected it. That's why I personally Love Firefly's Dialogue with sunday. In Theory the "sweet dream" could be the ideal "utopia" due to her illness and her wish to be recognized as firefly instead of Sam. However, her resolve was pretty strong during this Scene and she realized that people Just run away from themselfes and being trapped in this Delusion. I can understand that it was kinda unstatisfiying for you that she leaves tho, but her actions (to experience a second "death" to save everyone) were very important to escape ena´s dream. Another thing to note: It was already implied that Firely knew the Trailblazer already, which fits to kafka´s companion quest. The Tb was actually trained by kafka and even Blade remember about them. So i hope this will get explored further in the future.
14. Gallagher send the invitations to make people chase after the watchmaker legacy and uncover the truth of penacony before its too late. He made the invitations legit in the system of penacony´s database. This is pretty easy for him to pull of as an History Fictionologists.
@@DarkSideOfMirror You yap just as much as the penecony story did lol
@@Vinny4y0u They literally explained all of your Question about the Story and that's all you can say about it?😂
@@lovecraft2892 i never said i didnt understood what happand
its just this:
Something is happening, Scary somones about to die or what not. and forgetfull acheron granny has to make way to long ass lines and stuff.
but in the end there isnt 'Really' anything going on and its just a yap fest
like the whole sunday sequence was so bad
you basicly can explain it into this:
i am a bad guy but please symphathize with me and let me explain i got my reasons. and after doing all sorts of mini games he tries to explain again just to show hes just a bad guy and hes forcing his bad ideals onto another.
they work it well up in the start, but in the end u can conclude it a nothing burger
and thats just only of the things going on.
also they skip on everything thats build up and happening
Aventurine going through the nihil blackhole area or what not, gets explained its dangerous and prolly never comes back.
next time u see him as if nothing happand just on the locaton he suppose to be no explanation what so ever what happend there
That x90 speed segment was crazy!!! 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
This goes to show how much hoyo drags there story with unnecessary bloat
13:57 for context
hsr should be classified as a visual novel
Not even that, at least VNs use sound effects and music to help the narrative. HSR literally just has the characters stand still, with bland ass background music, no camera angles and just have them yap.
@@ectoBiologist21 True. Muv Luv Alternative is a visual novel and that game kept me hooked for the ENTIRE 50 hour story, and I still consider it the best piece of fiction I ever read (we don't talk about the anime adaptation).
@@ectoBiologist21 You probably don't have a brain - but there are no camera angles in VNs.
Nah, it's a trash game than any visual novel
more like a weird pretentious book
Breaking News: Mihoyo actually just sucks at making games.
Wuthering Waves is going to keep aging like fine wine while hoyoverse games start to fall off. I wish Wuthering waves had those anime graphics from hoyoverse games though.
They are bad at making games and writing but they are good at selling product/characters and marketing, basically. And make old characters irrelevant to sell new ones (both in story and meta). They are also unable to make meaningful endgame content beyond just giving mobs more hp.
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Fun fact game is not for everyone xd
Also wuwa aging like wine i not sure but it sure have better perception.
As for breaking news welp are u new in hoyo game xd we already know they love to yap the story heck even in hi3 if you mot prepare the 1 hour of just yap do yeh
They never want to make games but character IPs, because they sell.
Tbh i hated Penacony because it was so unnecessarily convoluted with so little actual combat. I preferred the idea of Belabog in the sense that the trailblazers reached an isolated planet and have to resolve it's issues to get to the stellaron. The laofu (pt2) was cool with expanding the universe by introducing the intergalactic political show of force. But penacony was trying to do like a 4-way covert power struggle with conflicting interests even within each of the factions. If i wanted something that convoluted i would get into IRL politics
You had me until you praised the China region story that is by far the worst story in the game I would say its worse than any Genshin story its that bad.
1. No clarification on Dr.ratio using Aventurine to trick Sunday to gain his trust and what that had led up to.
2. the existence of the IPC was conveniently non-existent
3. how did Argenti randomly in Penacony and how did he magically saved Aventurine
4. How did "Sigonian stereotype" came to be when Sigonian lives in constant poverty and they're being sold to IPC as properties by their own people?
5. How did Dr.ratio not know about Aventurine's past when he's the head of the intelligence guild for the IPC? (answer: to bait cheap sympathy on Aventurine's character and to lowkey ship the two character together)
6. What was even the purpose of Sparkle in Penacony outside of putting us into the real dreamscape when she was built up by youtube trailers, and "hints" in her character story, that she will wreck havoc to everything but rather,
she was a good guy helping NPC.
The fact that her character was edgy but no balls ruined this character for me.
7. WHY DID PENACONY NOT EVEN WENT INTO ROBIN AND BUILDING HER UP AS A PLOT DEVICE to go up against Sunday?
8. How DID v2.2 aftermath not make Penacony shareholders lose their sht, 107k+ victims,
hard enough to the point of them ruining the entire Penacony stock badly enough that IPC could've easily brought out their entire business?
9. Oti didn't done sht but somehow he's getting blamed for everything and the air of "competence" that was shown in v2.3, was just him....
To put it in an analogy, it's like Oti tried to negotiate with a butter knife to someone that has millions of military tanks.
That whole negotiation thing was stupid.
10. Aventurine appearing inside of the dreamscape when he's light years away as a hologram, but don't you need the dreampool to enter the dreamscape? The writer breaking his own game logic.
And why did he appear as a hologram inside of v2.3 dreamscape when he could literally turn into anything?
11. Boothill, march 7th, Himeko, Topaz, etc, had no story involvement, they're just there and forgotten.
12. Acheron, us, Sunday, and Blackswan were the only characters in the story.
I don't even want to include Firefly or Aventurine here because Firefly just left us in the middle of Sunday fight (never fought the order, faceless corrupt family members, and Sunday),
and Aventurine who brought us to "dead" Robin couldn't put 2 and 2 together that he needed to die by "death" and not Acheron to get to the watchmaker.
13. The "wake up" line when nobody did woke up, in fact, the aftermath of Sunday, the head of the family's betrayal did nothing to Penacony at all, or its market.
14. The Security for the 5* hotel was garbage, so conveniently bad that they let a bunch of people invite criminals to take part of an important festival (duke inferno, wanted by the IPC boothill, etc),
or how they don't even do proper screening for every visitor when they're supposed to.
But I do understand, this is so Firefly, Boothill, SW, etc, can roam around without affecting the cheesy HSR story filled with ab unch of plot convenience elements.
bro, lazy af writing which directly translated to v2.4-v2.6 where they're just reusing assets at this point
@@alexwebber6663Did you even play the game?
So you want to escape reality by playng gacha games...?
No way, a STORY CONTENT has little to no COMBAT?!?! Say it ain't so!
Rappa's story was rough for me.
Penacony wasn’t THAT good. The plot was overly convoluted and not satisfying. “Everyone could be lying” yeah but… not really… only technically. The lying didn’t matter in the end and everyone became friends. Felt forced. Also, quite a few characters could’ve been completely taken out of the story and nothing would need to change. For example: Boothill. What was his relevancy on Penacony? HSR just pushed new characters who we had no time to get to know or care about at us for the sales. They’re Mihoyo so it’s expected, but it led to a really non-fleshed out story. Shame the minority’s going to be drowned out by the loud majority who say Penacony is peak and people who didn’t like it can’t read. Hoyoverse needs to hear the criticism if we don’t want a repeat of Penacony’s problems on Amphoreus.
As someone who didn’t like Penacony’s plot, I can still admit there’s some parts I enjoyed. Like when it ended. XD
In all serious, yeah, the first part wasn’t bad. I was interested in the whole mystery around Robin and Firefly’s death, but they overused the false deaths. Even with Jiaoqiu in later patches. I’ve only played HSR, so do characters who die not sell well or something?
Also, I 100% believe the Annihilation Gang actually getting to Penacony would’ve made it a much better story. Sunday and Aventurine as antagonists were eh, but Duke Inferno could’ve been an actually irredeemable villain we’re allowed to hate. The hype around him only for him to be offscreened was annoying and didn’t have the shock value HSR was going for.
Part 1 was good imo. But part 2 was awful.
it felt like they had a clear plot developed and ready to go until someone suggested to make a complete overhaul last second, which is what I think actually happened witn Firefly/Sam plot. Remember Kafka's Myriad Celestia trailer? Sam said something like "you should stop playing with your food Kafka" but the way Firefly was presented I could never imagine her saying something like that
@@zealgaming8161 i think it was 2.3, was the most boring patch ever in honkai starrail for me.
all the hype build up on whats going to happan before those patches, and then nothing happend and it was a yapfest and sparkle playing a prank
yay..
They just gave us a good cutscene then everyone suddenly praises the shit out of it
Just 2.0 and 2.1 were everything after I agree it was long to many new characters and the story just would not end
tbh my brain went numb after the first hour. It's too much info dump with different PoV for one brain. don't ask me what happened in "peakacony" for I remember nothing 🤕
Yeah the story is not for 2 braincells humans
The static character models and nondynamic camera during "cutscenes" I have been complaining about since the museum event 😂
Is consent also the worst game you've played?
I just hope hoyo reduce the lifeless yapping that has sentences that extends for no reason in Amphoreus but since the writer for that arc is Fanchuan, the guy known for writing visual NOVELS of Durandal and Anti Entropy, im afraid there might be a lot of dialogues 😭 also he wrote Kolosten/Otto's arc(which was my favorite) but ill keep my expectations low for now
The problem is that HSR is busy selling characters rather than telling a story with its characters. Penacony had a bloated roster that they had to kill off Duke Inferno and his gang. Even then, they had to release 6 Myriad Celestia trailers for half the Penacony roster to fast track its characters.
Amphoreus is gonna have the same issue with 12 new characters and trying to complete said within 4-5 months... 4-5 months because that's how long Shitty-cony took
just what is the need for all this excessive dialogue? this is a problem in hoyo games (there might be other games with this problem) and it rlly makes the story less interesting
I think the story is fine, they need to fix how it is executed and how the dialogues are
after playing ghost of tsushima, it made me realize how much hoyo games yap. what? do they want a longer playing time from the gamer or smth?
also with zzz, I've heard ppl say that they are getting more straight to the point, and I can kinda see that
for me, chapter 3, jane's special episode and chapter 4 were so good
Kolosten was amazing, also my favorite, but it did have a lot of techno babble and dialogue bloat 😅
@kuvjason7236 bro..the gang isn´t dead..it was also confirmed by the devs. They will be playable in the future and the story made it clear that all of them (outside of duke inferno) escaped. Black swan also talked to one of them during the story.
It's a mid game, but bc Hoyo knows how to make business, HSR has a large playerbase excited with updates. And that's ok
And that fact is really irritating to the core
@@heatlybeats1186 And why's that? Say, if you enjoy a mid game then fuck if I care, go off, have fun what you enjoy.
@@heatlybeats1186 Does it annoy you that there are people who like HSR? Well, in that case, it's a shame Wuwa fans still exist.
@@broccoli5176dude wuwa fans are ok with hsr
You should be trashing gi fans, but i fear you might be a hoyo shill 🤢
Who hurt you 😂@@broccoli5176
to be fair i feel like HSR will become like genshin impact at one day and than it will go from HSR to ZZZ. I mean its all from the same company anyways. To be fair after the robin story i kinda of fell out of love for HSR as it was easy for me to get good 5 stars without putting money into it and easily grind the levels out which i don't mind at all. As its easy to max level the characters than genshin impact does it. For me i feel like HSR is more like a story watching than a gameplay. While with ZZZ the story arcs are short but the gameplay is to long. With genshin i just wish there was a skip button for certain things as than i would have played genshin impact more. Than also the animation with the characters. Now for me i do wish for ZZZ events kinda of last a little bit longer i felt like it goes by fast.
Honestly good take, zzz to me feels like a decent balance ngl, except in the newer patch bc ppl wanted the tv maze gone which I mean literally what’s the point that’s where most of the story comes from during hollow parts
@@Cold_LoserI think it’s cuz people actually wanna see the hollow rather than see it through some tvs
@@Cold_Loser They're taking the criticisms with regards to TV mechanic. It's a creative way of storytelling but can easily be overused, so them taking feedback is a positive.
surprised people only noticed this now i dropped hsr and genshin until they implement a skip button so i can read what im interested in and not waste my time.
They never will, dude. Otherwise, it would cut out 90% of the game.
@@wifi961 ZZZ has it so idk why Genshin and Star Rail wouldn't? Also, to what benefit does it leave for hoyo to leave out a skip button? People who don't care for the story or what's currently going on will just left click through it all anyway, it just wastes time.
It's easy to skip go through it one time them intentionally die. Personally I don't get why people want to skip the story is a key point the event I understand wanting to skip text and whatever hsr did halfway penacony where it was just mindless talking.
@@Nanadyne so freakn true!
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The Penacony arc to me felt sort of like the newer Star Wars trilogy. As if a new directer had taken over for every patch and kept changing the direction of the story.
2.0 felt like it was going to be a detective arc with the whole 'everyone could be lying' bit and Sparkle's potential to disguise herself as anyone. This is the direction I personally wished they had gone in, because knowing that there could be little clues hinting that someone might be Sparkle made the dialogue much more interesting.
But of course, they had to go and kill off the Sparkle hype by almost totally forgetting about her for the next 2 patches only to reveal in 2.3 that she WASN'T the evil agent of chaos we expected, but a goofy prankster instead.
I don't hate the direction they took her character in, but as someone who was drawn into Star Rail because of Sparkle's trailers and had been eagerly anticipating her in the main story, it was...a bit of a letdown.
15:50 I’m sorry tectone… that writer is unfortunately one of the biggest yappers. I am scared of Amphoreus for that same reason.
I'm start to thinking this story writer got more pay check when they write a lot of word that's why the story has a lot of yap lmao
@@aditradityagreed8067 More like Hoyo's been more focused on the yapping aspect of the Story for all their games like a Visual Novel.
@@aditradityagreed8067I mean wasn’t Da Wei celebrating in one of the Genshin anni livestreams about how many words they’ve squeezed into the game? Wouldn’t surprise me lmao
@@aditradityagreed8067 most game story writer are payed based on how much they wrote... so it's not that uncomon... of course there's some studio that do differently, but normally they are paid based on words count
Tbh, my attention span with HSR has dropped significantly after we revisited the Chinese ship and the arc with slumbernanas. I realised I feel this way after I stopped spending money. This means that our interests in the game's story is tied to whether we spent on the game or not.
Once we spent, we subconsciously value it more so we became more mentally & emotionally invested in the story and content. Once we stopped spending, you can finally evaluate the game without biasness of sunk cost. Same goes for every other gacha games in general. Try playing a non-gacha game like Metaphor ReFantazio and detox from gacha sunk cost. It's also turn based but you see how much better is that game's story compared to HSR.
I gonna repeat myself but.. For some reason hsr players have an aura of elitism when it comes to Genshin players but both of those games share some of the same problems.
Bloated dialogues, overexposition, fake deaths for a shock value (Firefly, aventurine etc.), underdeveloped characters, Acheron's nonsensical motivation just because she is emanator of Nihility making her more of a plot device then character (she did all of this in panacony to put flowers on the grave of the person she barely interacted with, she herself said that it was pointless) etc.
But tbh the "underdeveloped characters" point is a problem with all gachas since they introduce too many characters to the point it's impossible to give them proper care and screentime. Because they focused on selling the characters not giving them proper development. The only gacha that doesn't have that problem is PGR and I hope Kuro follow the steps of pgr in wuwa. For now Wuwa did a decent job at focusing on playable characters instead of npcs and they are not releasing that many characters. There always will be unimportant/underdeveloped characters in any stories but it feels like it's true for majority characters in Gachas.
For example Stanley from PGR (chapter 17 character) is just an npc and he's better written than most of the other gachas characters.
Fgo tackles it's cast pretty well too, but shame that they also have 2nd worst mc in all of fiction
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Tbh you can't call Ritsuka a self-insert after LB6 and now currently on Ordeal Call, ma boy suffered way too much now, even Dantes is having a hard time holding Ritsuka's mind in one piece
I've been saying that for a whole year.
I wanted to add, they explain made-up word with another made-up word,
like fking, all the time.
What was the writer thinking?
If you also look back at v2.4-v2.6, they SAID IT HAPPENED BEFORE v2.0-v2.3 (Penacony),
but how the fk did we get Boothill in v2.5 and him pointing out that we met in v2.0-v2.3?
Also, the amount of reuse assets in the wardance.
AND HOW THE WARDANCE WASN'T EVEN ABOUT LUOFU ANYMORE,
IT PROMOTED Luka MORE SO THAN LUOFU.
Even with that in mind, it makes no sense that we're being treated like a VIP when we only own 5% of Penacony's shares when you need to have at least 20%-50% for that kind of treatment,
or in a side quest where we became a receptionist for a day.
Or the childish and lame-ness of both the back story and the voice lines.
This writer is literally a fking kid, mentally, who wants to get taken seriously.
Also, the whole blackswan and Acheron pretending that Firefly had died, knowing very well that "DEATH" can't happen at all inside of the dreamscape.
In fact, Acheron mourning for "her death" was actually her mourning for a random friend through a fake death scene in the game.
That fake death then get a music to play it off like it's real.
Or the watchmaker's legacy, the whole legwork yap talk,
gave us a power completely unrelated to the watchmaker completely, in fact, we got a random fking hat lmao.
The whole Penacony story was a fking joke with plot holes, plot contradictions, and plot conveniences.
And btw Firefly only appear in Penacony to fake die because she fought nobody.
Aventurine who knew where robin went,
what killed her,
but decided to get cut by acheron to reach the watchmaker.
No logic in the writing at all.
@@tabkg5802You do not play enough FGO if you hate the MC and call him the second worst in all of fiction. What a terrible take lmao
5:26 I hate that you cant just change the dialogue speed or have it advance text when i click instead of waiting for a bit then it advances (please just take inspiration from visual novels). Also i kinda just want a legit novel for this stuff
Tbh, I will completely agree that penacony story was a freaking snoozefest, the fact you can't skip it is crazy, I stopped playing in penacony even though I like the gameplay and endgame systems. The story was just a giant wall that I got bored hitting my head against. Every single character is speaking with riddles, trying to look smart but it ends up just being boring. Fights were ok, but I stopped after aventurine boss so dunno if there might be great ones later
Nah, i really liked penacony, man, the sunday boss fight was more epic than the aventurine one.
No hate, just saying that i liked penacony a Lot.
@@jhon5149 totally legit, I'm not saying nobody can enjoy it, but I couldn't)
more like penasnorey
@@jhon5149same. a lot of people say it’s power of friendship bs but the only team was the astral express (obviously) + robin who was always on our side, it’s not that deep😭 people don’t seem to understand that not all the characters turn into good people. more than half the characters are antagonists and that doesn’t change because their stories aren’t even played from the mc’s perspective. like, aventurine, yes, we saw his tragic backstory but from HIS perspective. that doesn’t make him a good person in the lore, he’s still a villain.
also off topic but people are complaining about amphoreus characters being lazy design making but it’s literally a honkai game. what do you expect when they’re based off the flame chasers? i cant deal with genshin players bro they’re brain dead
The snoozefest for me was Luofu entirely, shit was boring af to me except the fake tingyun part and some of DHIL. Penacony is what really immersed me into the story, and the final fight was epic.
I actually really liked penacony, but I also 100% agree with his opinions. I’m glad there’s people out there to talk about the game like this, so that maybe the devs listen and change it. The narrative experience in HSR deserves to be as fun and engaging as the rest of the game is.
The one hypocritical thing he says is that he wants show dont tell, but doesnt want to have the other perspectives to play with when that is showing instead of telling you it happened later. Also I don't know what bro was talking about when he said they didn't explain emanators or the Order because they explained both of those and if he still didnt get it there is a data bank that has key terms if he needed them.
I think he meant in order to understand about the Aeons Order and Emanators you need to play Simulates Universe first to understand their concept
In my case, it all boils down to preference.
That means whichever's dailies I can finish in less than 5 minutes and which account is more blessed by RNGesus. Just happened to be Star Rail.
Lol, never cared about the plot. I still don't know what's happening in the star rail world. I'm only interested in pulling characters, building them and dealing big numbers plus clearing the tough contents. That's all.
Same that's me 😂
They would have made it easier for you with skip button.
@MechaMeister literally. I spammed F+1+space+left mouse button all the way to the end. This was so annoying.
that eneded up being me, i kinda stoped caring after Jingliu, nothing realy grabed my attention, but im not sitting though 5 hours of shit every patch
The story telling always bother me in HSR because the character barely move, March is suppose to be an expression character yet she stands still like a twig in the ground, I appreciate the smaller movement but it’s not enough, then you see Wuwa giving so many expression in their quest and a lot of unique interaction in each new main quest, Can HSR just please add a skip button just like in ZZZ a short summary of what happened, even Wuwa decided to add the short summary before you skip.
He is right though Penacony have a good story his only complain is the freaking dialogue bloating I'm sure majority of players just keep tapping next and not even reading all those dialogues.
Yeah, I liked the story of the game, but all the filler dialogue kind of made me tune out and eventually quit after the Penacony arc.
I only read through the last act of penacony, the paperfold university had a lot of that bloat
The problem with hoyo writing style is, they always try convey the simplest things in such a roundabout way. If you compare it to other story rich games, 20 mins of dialogues in BG3 or Kiseki series give you equal amount of informations as 60 mins of dialogues in GI or HSR. And my sole complaint that somehow has been fixed in ZZZ is that they didnt allow us to tap next after we're done reading the dialogue, instead there are short waiting period which become unbearable as it went on.
Massively agree with video on this one.
>duke inferno getting off screened after massive buildup.
>the shitty trashcan memes
>the shit intergallictic baseballer event
>that stupid photo event with trashcans
The events as well as the story have been sub par for a while.
I felt the same about lack of gameplay in penacony.The only story I listen too is the main ones and even then I skip a bit. Everything else is a skip
I want to get this off my chest. I do love Penacony. The setting and ideas with it are awesome. But in particular the patch where we got the Sunday/Septimus fight? It dragged horribly. It took like 10-12 hours which would be great as a game you don’t HAVE to pay for. But the dialogue dragged. I had to get through that in 3-4 sittings because I just wanted them to get to the point. On the whole a great story and interesting planet. But they needed to trim the fat in a fair few places.
Edit: so much tapping that I nearly missed the big moment of Acheron revealing her name. Still a cool moment but goddamn there’s so much bloat. And then when we are in story battles we’re forced to be in normal speed. Which wouldn’t be the worst thing if normal speed moves at near negative speed. The recent Hoolay fight was PAINFULLY slow. I despise the normal speed.
Not even a game. Pretty terrible and boring to login to.
Bro definitely has valid points I agree with.
Once we got to Penacony, the story really started to drag on which got me frustrated. It was the first time it reminded me of Genshin levels of yapping in HSR. At least in HSR, they have interesting story bits and most importantly, I like how a lot of older characters make a return to the story, even if brief. Seeing them interact with other characters in different worlds and play a part in the new story is always nice.
Gameplay is very fun, but I hope they start investing in more dynamic storytelling and longer cutscenes. Basically like ZZZ.
I will say while penacony did have a crap ton of yapping and not a lot of fighting it gave us a really good world building of the area. I definitely agree we should have had more fighting in general though 😅
(I say this as a glazer)
I also agree penacony story was quite boring , and people said penacony was peak an whatnot , and i dont even wanna say anything to them cuz i know they gonna defend it till the death
@@ilovewagnerimagine people being different.
Penacony story was the worst. The trailer was so hyped but it end up as yapping nonsense.
@@ilovewagner different people have different taste Xd, im growing up playing turn base jrpg from ps1 ff series,legaia,suiqoden,breath of fire etc, most of this game side quest even main quest is only back and forth from city to another city just to talk and get information from npc, kinda get used to and when i play game like the witcher 3 for the first time, i just spending most of the time talking to npc because lot of them have different dialog and story lmao
@@S3ymiraso you mean the storytelling was the worst, not the story. That's one of the points made in this video.
I love HSR but for god’s sake that 2.6 Rappa quest was about to make me go mentally insane. It took 8 hours of so much ridiculous yapping, the actual monkeys and bananas were so insanely fucked up. I hope I never have to go through that again
Haven't done the quest yet but I'm curious what you mean about the monkeys and bananas?
Either way, I am too invested in the story to back out of HSR now. Sure story telling could have been better, but still better QoL then the previous game that came out so imma stick to HSR, Zenless, Wuwa and other games that "I" like😂
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12:30 ngl I can see that too but I think its because they probably needed to make aventurine likeable for his banner sales especially if he's the first phase of the 2.1 update. He needed a reason not to be skipped by Acheron so they probs just wanted people to sympathize with him and make him more appealable to a wider audience.
Just imagine if people skipped aventurine because of his portrayal in the main story quest but then after playing his optional story quest (if he had one sperate from the main story) would instantly regret skipping him after his banner is already gone. His banner sale would have probably plummeted compared to Acheron and we would have had the best re-run banner yet. Unfortunately, Most gatcha games ideology is all about the now and new rather than the old and rerun.
Gonna say it. Penacony was ass. The story was just a convoluted shitshow.
i agree tbh, i did like the characters for penacony at least most of them but i actually disliked doing the main story quest for it ,it was so boring i didnt care about the lore at all i just wanted to be done with it :x
What kept me through Penacony was seeing all the different interactions between the various new factions. But I also see why this may end up affecting the story telling aspect.
Constructive criticism is a good thing and we shouldn’t ignore the flaws in HSR (as well as other gacha games). Just glazing and looking at the postive aspects will not contribute to making the game better. Overall I’m looking forward to the 3.0 story and see what they will deliver.
finally i thought i was crazy i totally agree with him penacony was nothing but alot of yapping and talking with minimal fighting and all they did was constantly make everything more and more complicated and adding too many plot twists and without giving closure to previous plot twists and it felt like i was studying calculus because everything made so little sense unless you're a nerd who has nothing better to do but to sit and read HSR for 8 hours a day everyday
Yet these hoyo glazers worship Shaoji like it's the second coming of Shakespeare...
not everything introduced in the story has to be explained, its called mystery
Shaoji was a mistake to add to HSR and you cannot tell me otherwise. His reputation is what carried the hype for Penacony, only for him to fumble everything and make the story worst. He is the singlehandedly the reason I want the skip button to exist.
I'm so happy when he brought up FF8. It to this very day is still one of my most favorite games in the world. 💖
Why does everyone suddenly hate hsr?
Is it a new trend or what?
Yeah it happens usually a year after release in hoyo games
bc there are reason to hate it
Idk are you a hoyo shill who can't see hsr has become genshin instead of improving?
It's because the yapping has reached a new level of absurdity. I've skipped the entire dialogue of 2.6 because it was the most boring ass shit I've ever seen in a video game.
There is too much yapping in HSR, fuck me it's so boring and you have to sit and tap the screen hoping it'll go away
why I stopped playing honestly..
Dawg I thought I was the only one. I be clicking away begging for it to end.
It's like I get dopamine from the combat then the long ass talking comes back.
I skipped the whole 2.6 plot because those monkeys really pissed me off! I also couldn't care less about Rappa! She looks like she belongs to ZZZ.
So fucking true. The game's so fuckin trash XD
I quit doing the story in 2.2 just like him, it just felt like I was back in genshin with all the yapping.
That's why I skip all story of all gacha game I played. And if I interrest in the character I pull enough THEN I go to youtube for lore.
Me too! I skip the story in game but looking for a summary or lore in the wikis.
That why online service game must have skip button
@@cherozkiahyusof4902 witcher 3 has skip button but most ppl plays that game for the story and it has almost none useless yapp every game needs skip button
note: note sorry i was sleepy i read your comment in diff way
@@cherozkiahyusof4902 YASSSSS WUWA FOR THE WINNNN 💖💖💖💖
@@Luendrax FINALLY SOMEONE BROUGHT UP W3 DIALOGUE QUALITY. Skip button is needed for every game whether it has perfect story or trash story like gachas. Annoying thing is hoyo thinks their pathetic stories are great and wont add skip button out of arrogance. People are not sick of a lot of dialogues, people are sick of horrendous storytelling and bloated dialogues. No skip button should not be acceptable in this age
Not going to lie it’s extremely refreshing to see someone call out the static camera angles and basic poses in the story telling. This applies to all hoyo games but people would have you believe the story telling is incredible. It’s crazy to me that a company that makes nearly 8 figures a month can’t produce a better presented story outside of the high quality 20 second cutscenes during 4 hour segments. Even the gameplay is incredibly simple and mind numbing.
Its so funny how , when penacony was airing everyone was shitting themselfes with how incredible it was , yet now suddenly everyone calls its mid , not that i am surprised since they day i did 2.2 story after it took me to days to sit through these 9 hours of this nonsense with no ending i didnt touch the game since , and seeing clips of 2.3 story which was supposed to be a big conclusion to this beloved by everyone story , turned out to be a set up for firefly and trailblazer handholding scene since her banner was airing , my will to play the game faltered even more
It really doesn't feel any deeper than back when that story was going on we didn't have these Wuthering Waves CC's and their audience's pretty noticeable hate boner against the Hoyoverse games to spread all these videos around and get a Tectone reaction. That's what's very noticeably changed and why all of a sudden this total 180 in certain circles regarding the game. Not even just that the maybe somethings weren't as good as I thought at the time, but in fact it was always complete and utter dogshit or whatever is the sentiment being expressed here exactly.
The gacha community is just fucking wack in 2024 and opinions are shifting seemingly over night in some cases.
TBH, 2.2 is the point I already start losing interest. 2.0 is the introduction, 2.1 is building up Aventurine and Archeron, although not great, 2.2 has so many unsatifactory conclusion that make 2.0 and 2.1 bad in retrospect.
Aventurine going to the other side of dreamscape no pay off, we didn't get to see in it and he just get out with nothing to show.
Firefly's date, death and reveal as SAM, all for what? A second date then fly off right before the big boss. What a let down.
Boothill vs Acheron, no fight, no Boothill hunting her down. Just a small talk and they're cool.
Robin's murder mystery. She wasn't on screen for much before her death and the mystery get dropped almost immediately.
Black Swan and Sparkle mind bending power didn't get much of a use at all.
As a returning player from hstarrail
It's really hard to catch up
Because my "strong" unit from early days is so quick to get power creep
Shitting on Genshin between every breath: ✅
Yep, definitely a Tectone video.
Are you Legionzgaming long lost brother?
that aventurine part urkkked me
Number of Videos where Tectone doesn't mention Genshin: 0
Yeah the fast powercreep thing and the story in this patch is cringe tbh
If they add a replay feature for quests in HSR they'd have to streamline the dialogue so it wouldn't take so long to do. I'd like to be able to replay things to see Cutscenes again as the pre-rendered cutscenes and those pictures that are displayed aren't available to view outside of the quest and some of them would be cool to have as wallpapers.
I mean I get his complaints but isn't the stuff about the aeons in the data bank?
Who reads the data bank?
@@devinroi3886People who want to know more about the story? 💀🙏
For myself, I ended up quitting the game entirely after Penacony, and I was a day 1 player. I just felt as though I've had my fill, and the stories I was invested in didn't have the payoffs I wanted ("death" in Penacony is some cute pet, Aventurine did jack shit, the quintet resolution was dogwater). Still though, at the time I felt that I was having an okay experience, even in Penacony.
It's only now that I realize how much I was tolerating this game just because Belobog was so damn good. Whoever that HI3 writer is should quit his dayjob.
I loved his video. And I think as players we do need to be open to criticism and sometimes need to agree when there are fair points that are being made about the bad things in the game. If we don't listen, the Devs will also ignore the lacking aspects and not actively work on the game for a better player experience anymore.
Been playing and loving hsr since release, but there are so much things that could be done in order to make the game as great as it could be, still too much potential wasted imo.
Alot of Honkai Star Rail story issues could be fix by an 3-5 mins cinematic cutscenes like in HI3rd since it could give us some pay off even the road on the way there is rocky. I just don't get how the last cutscene in penacony is 5 secs of Robin catching Sunday falling.
If you want the yapping, you play the story. If you want gameplay, you take a break from the story, pause, and do side quests/simulated universe/MOC/etc.
The story in HSR is literally the yap. If you're a new player and you play the entire game in a few sittings, that's a lot. If you've been playing for a long time, you're already caught up, a few hours of new yap and lore every month or so really is not that overwhelming, especially if you do it over the course of 2-3 days while doing your other dailies and whatnot.
This is literally the reason i quit hsr during early penacony. That and also the most fking drawn out boring events. Thats 90% of the gameplay and it sucks. And these stories becoming more and more complicated, like why? If i play for 1 hour per day, do you think i’m going to understand your complicated fictional world?
And then all these characters talking in some high valerian language like nah bro, rather watch a movie or play candy crush at this point
I think the resource required to do a "tell" sequence is lower than a "show" one. Probably why we see a lot of yapping instead of a show in most gacha.
Gacha story is just not that great, and its crazy to me how some players hype it so much. People see a well animated fight scene amidst all the senseless yapping and act like the whole story is amazing because of that. I tried all these Mihoyo gachas, read the dialogues, and I wasnt really impressed by any of them. Even Wuwa, which is my fav gacha right now, I admit the story is also nothing that amazing. All these gacha stories pale in comparison to actual RPGs. Gacha is a genre of games where the writing is not that important, their priority is to sell the characters, so its really no surprise when storytelling is an afterthought.
It is a good video. I understand why i have been skipping the entire story from 2.4 and coudnt give a damn about it. Good to know why.
23:12. agree he dont need to put the edit in the end. Heck he dont need to most of the video at all. Theres already people that will see his video title and his affiliation with kuro, tgen draw conclusion from there.
Penacony was weak for me… I think persona 5 royal did the whole dream thing better. Sunday was a dogshit villain compared to the main villain in the royal version of p5… they should have doubled down making Gallagher the villain tbh that was more interesting
The whole royal storyline was peak P5 and the villain actually had good intentions.
@ exactly!! It felt like they were trying to do the same for Sunday but it was so much weaker
@zephyr.GG26 I've not finished Penacony because I kinda dropped HSR but the way they told or shown Maruki's side of the story is a perfect example of show don't tell.
It's done extremely well and it really hits you with the right moments and feels.
Bro didn't just compare a gacha game to AAA games for the story. Of course Persona 5 will win lol. Let's be honest here Story in so many gacha games are just 2nd or 3rd priority. The first priority will always be The Characters that will be your Waifus/Husbandos. That's always the strategy of so many gacha Devs to attract players to play their games.
@@arkcanon1282 but character designer not working on a story line, why i cant compare a story in a AAA game and a gacha game, where exactly story makes more sense in terms of make hype moments
Instead of a bar sequence we should have received a scene of argenti saving aventurine, or firefly ‘sacrificing herself’ according to acheron. She said that but nobody can tell me wtf firefly actually did while she was off screen. It’s too vague.
I actually found the fact that he hated the way HSR tells the story, but enjoyed FF8, interesting. FF8 was awful imo, and between the unlikable characters, boring story, and stupid Laguna side quest that doesn't pay off or make sense until the 3rd disk, it was just terrible. One of the few FF games I didn't finish, and I honestly one of the worst games I've ever played.
HSR is overshadowing his wuwa, which almost all casual players hates because of their gloomy art that alone just makes hsr far more great for them. Also wuwa story is mid i don't get why they're hype for such shallow plot, there's nothing to theorize about
@Yaoyue春 I don't think the WuWa story has been anything special, which sucks because I enjoy watching lore videos and doing deep dives. However, I find running around and hitting the buttons fun, so it's a good time IMO.
@@ElderGamerX agree, and their voice quality in 1.0 is awful, you can literally here the mics subtle echo if you're using a high end headphone.
@Yaoyue春 do you realize they've changed the voice direction from 1.0? They are changing things too little by little and you act like he doesn't criticize WuWa 😂he did a live podcast with captaincabintez and he talks about the shiit WuWa lacks or when it comes to the storu
@Shhh_94 most people don't resonate with their artstyle, my girl is one of those and i understand her because the artstyle is really dark and not casual friendly.
What you said they've improved, yes but the entire 1.x experience pretty much ruined the game for some ppl, you need to release the game on perfect condition, not on just combat but with lore, voice, immersion etc. i don't feel immersed but i do enjoy the controls so i messed around it for a long time.
now heaven burns red is here, hsr is gonna have some competition in story telling. That game may have alot of yap too but it's very entertaining and immersive bc most of the time it's the mc interacting and you're actually there rather than a side character
i hate when there are battles in the middle of the story cause 90% of the time is just an easy battle that interrupts my pace
boss fights and stuff like that are good although
@@Pe_ikiexcept in most games there’s actually some kind of reason for that random fight happening and it serves as a breather before going into the next section
Honestly I agree with him, I loved HSR all the way until Penacony, played 4 hours into it, then never touched the game again. I have visual novel games made for what Penacony was doing, and they are told much better...
The best way to explain penacony is that it has the highest highs, but the lowest lows
I kinda liked that Sunday took the time to educate us on the history of Penacony and had the star rail crew engage in his hypotheticals to see if they'd take the same path he did. He was wonderfully written and him along with Aventurine were some of the only redeeming factors of Penacony. I didn't really care about anything else there though tbh. HSR needs a skip button desperately.
i stop playing HSR because of yapping
remember guys always rant about the big Games with huge communities if you want to farm clicks as a CC because putting in this much work for a small title enrages less people defending their waifus!
I saw someone in the live comparing it to persona but in persona there is less yapping and more gameplay grind than what hsr offers lol. Even better you can fast forward or skip unlike hsr and any other hoyo games
That's how disconnected Hoyotards are outside any hoyo slops.
comparing hsr to persona has to be a crime
Honestly that vid helped me understand why I can’t get into star rail, honestly one thing I can say is if this was just a 3D visual novel that costed $15 it would do numbers but they tried to make it into a turned based rpg gacha that for some reason doesn’t have you do combat half of the time
Honestly, at this point I think people just ACTIVELY NOT WANT any story to be told to them. A skip button's not gonna add more enjoyment, people will press the everliving shit out of it, and STILL not understand anything that's story related.
Not really. Because hsr have replay story, right? I don't know. But i can say that i skip everything on nikke except prologue but still play this game since day 1
@@roslanhaikal7242 yeah, there's the damn Data Bank, but people ALSO do not want to actively go there to look back for any missed details either.
Most of the people who complain about the story being unskippable, complain about it because they do not want the story. Wuwa having a skip button never really contributed to the increase of satisfaction to the story, but the decrease of dissatisfaction towards it, however, I can see.
Well, there was barely any meaningful story in the last 3 patches(only couple characters from 2.6 are worth mentioning and even they will be forgotten for a year or so) so looks like "Hoyo LiStEnED"
I want a story, but I also want a game, not just constant text. At this point I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just let videos of the game run in background while I'm on a walk with my dog.
if the story interest me especially when there's my favorite character involved, i'll read it sure, but when it's the yapping, istg, i wanna skip so effing bad like side stories or events.
8:33 he wants constant battles without realizing that in hsr battles end really fast. If it was just battles there would be like no content. Yes more fighting would be nice but we can't make the entire game fighting.
Did you even watch the video? He does not want that lol.
i mean hoyoverse cinematic framing maybe need work, but how much the original text is lost in translation because english localizer dont have the same flowering wordplay like the original chinese text.
I think some ppl don't like these games because they don't like to read. You can read a book if you want to read instead of playing a game, true, but to just not pay attention to dialogue and lore and then call a story mid is literally like judging a book by its cover. With that being said, I NEED a skip button in HSR too.
There is if you get the game to restart then you can skip the whole dialogue. Which kind of defeats the purpose
lol, i don't even think people who said penacony genuinely sit through all that yapping, elongated, stretched out, dialogue, that could've been summarized in few words, with simpler terms, and clearer points to be made.
Yes i made this comment longer than it needs to be.
@@Shineigra I'd like to say a whole lot of the "yapping" made sense since it told a lot of info about characters from different factions and different backgrounds. They didn't just add random dialogue just for the heck of it. Besides, any story can be summarized in several sentences so what even is the point.
@@kgtd2160 even if you do like to read HSR’s execution is just not it.
If im willingly reading the story in pgr (which is a damn visual novel) and agonizing in hsr story that means reading is not the issue storytelling is. Every game should have skip button in this age whether its masterpiece or biggest piece of dogshit.
he right. part of the main reason i don't do tb continuance quests. its torture to go through them when they kinda don't add anything to the main plot line, and you have to sit and listen to a lot yap that overall isn't important and you don't have a skip button. like im here to see trailblaze story lines and we got them from 2.0-2.3. meanwhile 2.4-2.6 are all filler patches. like why do i have to wait almost a year for this game to continue its main story line. genshin, and some other games does this too ofc and its annoying as hell. the only game i play that has story nearly if not every patch is hi3, and at this point hi3 might catch up to hsr storyline wise and i wouldnt be surprised if it passes it
You know what actually sucks? SA. A guy who behaves like a P.O.S. online acts the exact same way in real life? Color me SHOCKED!