CP/M? And I thought I was geeky with my PIII/OpenStep machine. Wow rave on! I remember seeing my first CP/M machine it was an unbelievably big luggable with a 5 inch screen, keybord in the top cover of course! You guys are fortunate to have it in single board form, so tiny! I should have hung onto my z-80 powered Timex Sinclair wi the 16k memory upgrade! Fun Times!
There's so much great stuff in this episode! From the casual mention of Bill Herd presenting that amazing real world implementation of your logo, to the breathtaking bubble display, to the hint at a future Model 100 episode (the Tandy Model 102 is definitely the favored machine in my collection).
A Video for the TRS80 Modell 100 would be very interesting....(But with that Bubble Computer i cant Help,, sorry )... And nice to see you back on Camera ,its always a different great show ....;)
My first job out of college was designing and coding 8085 computers to run boilers and chillers for hospitals and such. So much fun debugging the code with an oscilloscope
I have been following this channel since you were mentioned on Hackaday. You ladies always seem to have so much fun, it's contagious. Love it. I wonder if there has ever been an episode where Amy does the soldering?
OOOh wow! Bubble screen! That's been forever since I've seen those. I also never worked wit an 8085, only 8088, 8080 and 8051 (which technically is a micro controller).
Taylor and Amy we (VCF and the CDL Makerspace) was glad to have you there. I watched the MC10 video, loved it. 🙂 Hope you get a chance to come back again. I'll see if we can get Glitch (Jonathan) to do some Motorola board (6800, 6801, 6809, etc.) We'll have you running Flex or OS9 in no time.
@@fractalMD - We understand. You were definitely missed (as were several others who also had unexpected life events), but we tried to make up for it as much as possible! When I went to show the little graphics demo I did for you during the NitrOS9 seminar - it crashed. Found out afterwards that the air vent from the projector was blasting right into my Coco which caused it to start overheating. After it cooled down (after the seminar was over, naturally), it worked fine. So I got to show it to people at the Fest... but I don't think you and Taylor have seen it yet. lol.
Hey Taylor and Amy, it was great hanging out with you at VCF!! You already kicked my butt and have a Glitchworks product actually assembled and powered up, as opposed to the unassembled kits I have. 😞 I have some pictures I can send you if you are interested, let me know.
Sure! Loved chillin with you! Glad we weren't too too disruptive as agents of chaos. I'll bet at least one photo is all of us up on those concrete blocks. For some reason that was hilarious. Especially as a vantage point to harass good ole Mr Usagi Electric himself. 🤣
@@fractalMD >Especially as a vantage point to harass good ole Mr Usagi Electric himself. Ooh, do we get to see video evidence of this happening somewhere? 😁
Okay you've made me want one of these. I've not yet succumbed to any of these project boards (since I got an original RPi when it came out) and would love to program some basic games for this using inputs and that bubble display. Thanks for the entertainment!
How did I not know about this channel until now?? The first computer I learned assembly language on was an Intel SDK-85... a single board 8085 computer with nothing but an LED display and hex keypad. (We quickly moved to CP/M computers, still using the 8080 style instruction set.)
About CPMtools: They are meant to work only with disk images. On linux, you can also pass them a "/dev/*" device and it will use that. On windows, I haven't tested that. You also need a file called "diskdefs", that has format information for a bunch of disk types. And you have to give each CPMtool a command line option "-f " to tell them which disk format to use.
@@fractalMD The issue is, CP/M didn't define a physical format specification. It was left to the system manufacturer to define a floppy format. So now there are tons of different formats, none are compatible with each other, and the disk (or image) itself doesn't tell you what it is. The manufacturer would put this information in the DPB, Disk Parameter Block, which is part of the BIOS. So it is technically stored on the boot tracks, but since the location isn't specified, we can't use it. Modern implementations of CP/M 2.2 often use a format that uses 8 MB images on a larger disk, because that was the maximum size of a drive under CP/M 2 and also MP/M 2. But some also have custom definitions. You will have to ask the developers of your board for the format they used. I looked at the documentation for the Glitchworks board and it doesn't say which format they use. But it says the internal flash that is used as A: drive should have PCGET and PCPUT for up/downloading files, using the Xmodem protocol that is supported by TeraTerm. So that is one way to get stuff onto your board.
Nice Erlenmeyer flask! 2:10 I think I saw Usagi Electric back there, but I might as well be wrong. Those bubble displays are so lovely - vintage calculator vibes for sure. 8080, AT-AT... what's the difference? Maybe AT-AT had 8080s in their onboard computers, haha.
Amy's mad solderin' skilz, I'm not that steady or good in my limited fixer upper (capacitor replacements on my stupid UPS battery unit). Kudos! once again VCF East. Teh gift that keeps on gving.
One of my memories of university was learning 8085 assembler on an SBC with a hex keypad. Whoah. Back in 1991 or there about. When dinosaurs roamed the earth. Can't remember a single bit of it. 😀
Hi, I saw your video and I fell in love with it. On Sunday I bought a trunk with thousands of components at a flea market, I understood that there was something good in the middle. in fact I managed to find different versions of the 8041, 8085, 8088, 8086, ram, rom, eeprom, plus hundreds of TTLs as well as thousands of transistors, capacitors, .... etc. I wanted to know if you could help me choose the best versions of components and build a computer from scratch. It has always been a passion of mine. I hope you can help me, thanks...
Great choice of t-shirts. Clearly the Empire has the best hardware! Amazing to see MS basic running on DR CP/M on a modern piece of kit. You have to get Zork running next!. I am afraid getting legacy file systems to work with modern OSes can be a bit of a pain.
The sole-dering reminded me to finally order a BC3 element for my Ksger (well, the entire set). Not a fan of the JL02 element. :) I came across some of those funky bubble displays that I had purchased about ten years ago. Probably should use them at some point... And that is a pretty board!
You should add a serial port to that SBC and use good old Kermit to get CP/M files from another computer, although getting Kermit on it might be a bit of a chicken and the egg scenario but you'll figure it out.
Hey Taylor and Amy: The Toshiba T-250 (the first computer I've ever used!) and its smaller brother the Toshiba T-200 both used the Intel 8085 microprocessor. Now you know another two computers that used it :) The Toshiba T-250 ran CP/M 2.2, had 64k of RAM, 58k TPA, dual 8 inch floppy diskette drives. It had a built-in 12" monochrome monitor. Must have weighed over 100 lbs--no kidding! Also: don't forget that your beautiful Commodore 128 is compatible with your single board in CP/M mode ;)
Mix two high-tech woman with Bob and Doug McKenzie and you get...The Taylor and Amy Show!! 😁😂 I love it. Keep up the good work. I hope to be as talented as you are. :)
Also it's semi-well-known that the Model 100 was the last project Bill Gates personally spent significant time on as an actual developer, but in case that hadn't reached you I thought I'd make sure it did. I saw him say this myself at a company meeting back in the day, which was kinda cool.
That looks like a really fun computer. /***** Internal Mental Conversation follows ******/ /* No Eric! You can't have all of the things! */ /* But master! I needs it! It is precious to me! */ /* I said no! */ /* I not can haz it :-( */ /* No, not yet. */ /**************************************************/ Oh, and "boop" to you too.
so seeing your shirt....I have to mention this. I've always called it an A. T. A. T. because the other one is the A. T. S. T. But nope, many starwars fans tell me its an at at. But they confirm the other one is an A. T. S. T. so why is one pronounced and the other one is letters? Anyway......... I'm more of a star trek fan anyway.
@@fractalMD I get really nasty when it comes to star trek. Especially with that crappy ass STD series. Also when I saw 2009, I wanted to find jar jar abrams and shove a lens where up where the sun don't shine. lol
When we dreamed of TH-cam back in he 1990's, we imagined users groups presentations like this. Thanks for sharing.
Truly ... we are peek internet!
Seeing your unbriddled joy, girls, is a treat to my heart :)
😊😊😊
CP/M? And I thought I was geeky with my PIII/OpenStep machine. Wow rave on!
I remember seeing my first CP/M machine it was an unbelievably big luggable with a 5 inch screen, keybord in the top cover of course!
You guys are fortunate to have it in single board form, so tiny!
I should have hung onto my z-80 powered Timex Sinclair wi the 16k memory upgrade!
Fun Times!
We are just getting started with the geekiness! 😃
11:57 that is definitely a cool display! that glichworks stacking sbc, cf card, and display board is super neat.
Glitch works knows what is up!
It was nice meeting you at VCF East. I would get a kick seeing your video taken through the old TV demo in the njarc museum. Best wishes, take care
I forgot about that! I need to find that video. Lovely meeting you, as well. :)
@@fractalMD Cool, it was nice meeting you ladies, had a lot of fun
There's so much great stuff in this episode! From the casual mention of Bill Herd presenting that amazing real world implementation of your logo, to the breathtaking bubble display, to the hint at a future Model 100 episode (the Tandy Model 102 is definitely the favored machine in my collection).
We really did cram a lot in there, didn't we? 😁
A Video for the TRS80 Modell 100 would be very interesting....(But with that Bubble Computer i cant Help,, sorry )... And nice to see you back on Camera ,its always a different great show ....;)
Thx! Stay tuned!
My first job out of college was designing and coding 8085 computers to run boilers and chillers for hospitals and such. So much fun debugging the code with an oscilloscope
That is just nuts!!
I have been following this channel since you were mentioned on Hackaday. You ladies always seem to have so much fun, it's contagious. Love it. I wonder if there has ever been an episode where Amy does the soldering?
Just one if you can find it! I can do it but Taylor is EXPONENTIALLY better.
OOOh wow! Bubble screen! That's been forever since I've seen those. I also never worked wit an 8085, only 8088, 8080 and 8051 (which technically is a micro controller).
Bubbles forever!
Taylor and Amy we (VCF and the CDL Makerspace) was glad to have you there. I watched the MC10 video, loved it. 🙂 Hope you get a chance to come back again. I'll see if we can get Glitch (Jonathan) to do some Motorola board (6800, 6801, 6809, etc.) We'll have you running Flex or OS9 in no time.
It was a total blast!!!! Y'all are great.
Welcome back, CoCofest was great. We missed you !!
We hated we couldn't be there.
:(
Various unexpected life events got in the way.
@@fractalMD - We understand. You were definitely missed (as were several others who also had unexpected life events), but we tried to make up for it as much as possible! When I went to show the little graphics demo I did for you during the NitrOS9 seminar - it crashed. Found out afterwards that the air vent from the projector was blasting right into my Coco which caused it to start overheating. After it cooled down (after the seminar was over, naturally), it worked fine. So I got to show it to people at the Fest... but I don't think you and Taylor have seen it yet. lol.
@@CurtisBoyle ❤️❤️❤️
Hey Taylor and Amy, it was great hanging out with you at VCF!! You already kicked my butt and have a Glitchworks product actually assembled and powered up, as opposed to the unassembled kits I have. 😞 I have some pictures I can send you if you are interested, let me know.
Sure! Loved chillin with you! Glad we weren't too too disruptive as agents of chaos. I'll bet at least one photo is all of us up on those concrete blocks. For some reason that was hilarious. Especially as a vantage point to harass good ole Mr Usagi Electric himself. 🤣
@@fractalMD >Especially as a vantage point to harass good ole Mr Usagi Electric himself.
Ooh, do we get to see video evidence of this happening somewhere? 😁
@@Ran-tan-tan Maybe? I feel like I saw a lot of filming while we were peanut gallery-ing!
Okay you've made me want one of these. I've not yet succumbed to any of these project boards (since I got an original RPi when it came out) and would love to program some basic games for this using inputs and that bubble display. Thanks for the entertainment!
You neeeeed this
The intel 8080 ran CPM and the Z80 was created to make a CPM computer that was more affordable. When in doubt, try Ctrl-C for Break.
Our technique is more like smash at the keyboard then wind up rebooting it anyway.
@@fractalMD You can't argue with results! ;)
As one of "ye few", I love how much fun you two have doing your thing. It's joyous viewing. Also, wow, that's some cool project action!
Thx! We love our little bubbles.
Yay another episode! You two are so much fun 🙂
Like seriously the most fun.
Love this channel, it’s back to old skool YT, the way it should be 😊 pure passion
We promise never to have any actual production value! 🤣
@@fractalMD GOOD.
I love this channel. You two look like you're having so much fun.
That is 100% true.
Love that kind of display. Something so cool about them. Great video as always 👍
It looks SO COOL in person.
Congrats on 5K! 🎉
Thanks you sus monkey!
Bill's Beaker Beautifully Backdrops Bubble Brilliance!
BELIEVE IT!
How did I not know about this channel until now??
The first computer I learned assembly language on was an Intel SDK-85... a single board 8085 computer with nothing but an LED display and hex keypad. (We quickly moved to CP/M computers, still using the 8080 style instruction set.)
Welcome to the party!!!!!
About CPMtools:
They are meant to work only with disk images. On linux, you can also pass them a "/dev/*" device and it will use that. On windows, I haven't tested that. You also need a file called "diskdefs", that has format information for a bunch of disk types. And you have to give each CPMtool a command line option "-f " to tell them which disk format to use.
Ain't nothing just easy!
@@fractalMD The issue is, CP/M didn't define a physical format specification. It was left to the system manufacturer to define a floppy format. So now there are tons of different formats, none are compatible with each other, and the disk (or image) itself doesn't tell you what it is.
The manufacturer would put this information in the DPB, Disk Parameter Block, which is part of the BIOS. So it is technically stored on the boot tracks, but since the location isn't specified, we can't use it.
Modern implementations of CP/M 2.2 often use a format that uses 8 MB images on a larger disk, because that was the maximum size of a drive under CP/M 2 and also MP/M 2. But some also have custom definitions. You will have to ask the developers of your board for the format they used. I looked at the documentation for the Glitchworks board and it doesn't say which format they use. But it says the internal flash that is used as A: drive should have PCGET and PCPUT for up/downloading files, using the Xmodem protocol that is supported by TeraTerm.
So that is one way to get stuff onto your board.
@@TSteffi Lordt! I double down on my original statement!!!!
What a lovely bit of kit!
It is choice.
It was nice meeting you at VCF East! (not that you’ll remember because you were very busy)
It was awesome!
Nice Erlenmeyer flask!
2:10 I think I saw Usagi Electric back there, but I might as well be wrong.
Those bubble displays are so lovely - vintage calculator vibes for sure.
8080, AT-AT... what's the difference? Maybe AT-AT had 8080s in their onboard computers, haha.
This is now start wars canon.
Fun episode ladies!!! 😁
AJ! ❤❤❤
Amy's mad solderin' skilz, I'm not that steady or good in my limited fixer upper (capacitor replacements on my stupid UPS battery unit). Kudos! once again VCF East. Teh gift that keeps on gving.
Oh that is Taylor, all the way.
One of my memories of university was learning 8085 assembler on an SBC with a hex keypad. Whoah. Back in 1991 or there about. When dinosaurs roamed the earth. Can't remember a single bit of it. 😀
And the Earth was cooling. I know the feeling!
6:24 I keep trying to convince one of the engineers to give me the one he’s had in his office. He found it in a pile of stuff. It still works!
He should should surrender it to you!
Dope t-shirt!!!!!
Woo!
It was a delight from "We won VCF... that's how it works." to "Oh ye few..." 👌
We are ALL OVER THE PLACE!
Hi, I saw your video and I fell in love with it. On Sunday I bought a trunk with thousands of components at a flea market, I understood that there was something good in the middle. in fact I managed to find different versions of the 8041, 8085, 8088, 8086, ram, rom, eeprom, plus hundreds of TTLs as well as thousands of transistors, capacitors, .... etc. I wanted to know if you could help me choose the best versions of components and build a computer from scratch. It has always been a passion of mine. I hope you can help me, thanks...
What a find! Not sure that we are the best resource for that, but the internet doth provide and sounds like you've got a ton to work with.
Great choice of t-shirts. Clearly the Empire has the best hardware!
Amazing to see MS basic running on DR CP/M on a modern piece of kit. You have to get Zork running next!. I am afraid getting legacy file systems to work with modern OSes can be a bit of a pain.
We are finding it...tricksy.
Somehow this video had ASMR triggers for me, haven't had that feeling since I was a kid...
No way!
8085 running CPM Didn't know that. Thanks for sharing
We thought it was cool!
I have the SBC and CF board but have not been able to get it working. I will keep trying.
You got this!
The sole-dering reminded me to finally order a BC3 element for my Ksger (well, the entire set). Not a fan of the JL02 element. :)
I came across some of those funky bubble displays that I had purchased about ten years ago. Probably should use them at some point...
And that is a pretty board!
You MUST bubble!!!!!
you guys are f*cking awesome!!!
No you are are!!
Those CF cards talk IDE, so simplest way is to find an old PC (or old laptop is even better) to use it. I also have a 102 - great machine!
You should add a serial port to that SBC and use good old Kermit to get CP/M files from another computer, although getting Kermit on it might be a bit of a chicken and the egg scenario but you'll figure it out.
I like all this frog and chicken talk.
Welcome back! 🤩😃
**bows**
DIY electrononics, strong 1980's wibe. It was good time.
Vibin' 😎
Hey Taylor and Amy: The Toshiba T-250 (the first computer I've ever used!) and its smaller brother the Toshiba T-200 both used the Intel 8085 microprocessor. Now you know another two computers that used it :) The Toshiba T-250 ran CP/M 2.2, had 64k of RAM, 58k TPA, dual 8 inch floppy diskette drives. It had a built-in 12" monochrome monitor. Must have weighed over 100 lbs--no kidding! Also: don't forget that your beautiful Commodore 128 is compatible with your single board in CP/M mode ;)
So much beauty in the world!
Netronics made the Explorer 85 an S100 based system with monitor and Microsoft Basic.
Add it to the list!
The 8085 was used as the second processor in the zenith z100 and z120 to run CPM it also had an 8088…
Which is kinda awesome.
When are you two gonna program an 8-bit video game. It's time!!!! Don't let me down.
Oh, it's a thing. Just among lots of things. So much cool stuff to do!
Love the shirts!
May the 4th be with you.
Remember when Taylor just learned to solder and didn't get cool kits because they required it?
Look at her now.
She is PRO
Wait what? You can get LED segment displays with bubble lenses? How did I not know this?
!!!!
0:47 Wait. Friend of the channel Bil Herd made you a pyrex logo flask? BIL HERD?
THE ONE AND ONLY!!!
The Z100 Systems had dual CPU(s) 8085 + 8086 and was S100 System.
Well that is neat.
Mix two high-tech woman with Bob and Doug McKenzie and you get...The Taylor and Amy Show!! 😁😂
I love it. Keep up the good work. I hope to be as talented as you are. :)
Hoser! 🇨🇦
@@fractalMD Take off, eh!
Very Cool are you too going to VCF Mid West I will be attending if so hope to see you there
Yessssssss
Board? No! Pure fun 😃
NOTHING BUT FUN
👏🏻
😃
seems Z80 is on final production (so buy now), there is an open source version initiative but ....
Oh no!
you are so cool .
No you are!
bubbles! :D
Also it's semi-well-known that the Model 100 was the last project Bill Gates personally spent significant time on as an actual developer, but in case that hadn't reached you I thought I'd make sure it did. I saw him say this myself at a company meeting back in the day, which was kinda cool.
That is a damn fine fact!
0:42 oh c’mon. You probably looked fine. And probably look fine without the lights
The less light, the better we look! 🤣
4:14 some people speed run video games, you speed run soldering
She was FAST
I think you girls should be doing tequila shots when you get things to work!
I'm not entirely opposed to this idea, but it sure would get chaotic by the end of the video.
That looks like a really fun computer.
/***** Internal Mental Conversation follows ******/
/* No Eric! You can't have all of the things! */
/* But master! I needs it! It is precious to me! */
/* I said no! */
/* I not can haz it :-( */
/* No, not yet. */
/**************************************************/
Oh, and "boop" to you too.
Boop!
12:44 light hiss! Get it off me get it off me. It’s hurting my lily white skin.
Boo, ugly lights!
so seeing your shirt....I have to mention this. I've always called it an A. T. A. T. because the other one is the A. T. S. T. But nope, many starwars fans tell me its an at at. But they confirm the other one is an A. T. S. T. so why is one pronounced and the other one is letters? Anyway......... I'm more of a star trek fan anyway.
Oh, that is a high drama argument for sure
@@fractalMD lol I really shouldn't care. It's only star wars. It's not like it's something important like star trek. LMAO
@@fractalMD I get really nasty when it comes to star trek. Especially with that crappy ass STD series. Also when I saw 2009, I wanted to find jar jar abrams and shove a lens where up where the sun don't shine. lol
Lolololol