I love that Vini keeps proving himself even tho people keep thinking that Mbappé will come to Madrid and take his spot. Vini is the leader of this new era for us! Hala Madrid
@@Chillguy850 Well, these are the players who are playing the best on the Best team ITW so that's usually how the Ballon d'Or before Messi and Ronaldo worked.
This podcast is just such such quality man the way both of you are able to articulate your takes, the knowledge, the passion, the banter at times its unmatched man. Y’all got something special brewing here man keep this up 🙌
Vini has won in a better league, and he has jet again outperformed Mbappe in the CL. Mbappe isn’t him, outside of statpadding in a shit league Mbappe hasn’t done close to enough to even be in the best player of the world talks. And even for France, players like Griezmann Are the reason France’s system works, Mbappe is France’s goalscorer nothing more.
@Mavolovolo-zc4lmand youre a name merchant bcs tell me how it shouldnt be someone from the team that go through all competitions unbeaten for the first time ever in europe 😭
I think Vini or one of the four most important Leverkusen players should win it(either Wirtz, Xhaka, Grimaldo or Frimpong, but ballon d`ors does have a massive Barcelona and Madrid bias, so Vini Jr will likely win the award) Even though a few Leverkusen players should be in the top 5-10
Real Madrid have always had a "never say die" attitude. Even before Ramos' La Decima moment. In Fabio Capello's league winning campaign (2006-07), there were multiple comeback wins.. led by RvN, Jose Antonio Reyes (RIP), Gonzalo Higuain, Raul, Beckham and company. Dating further back, Juanito coined the phrase in 1986 after Madrid lost 2-0 at the San Siro vs Inter "90 minuti en el Bernabeu son molto longo". In other words, 90 minutes at the Bernabeu is very long. They won the 2nd leg 3-0 at the Bernabeu. So wayy before the Ramos/CR7 era, Madrid were making comebacks.
36:44 Musiala said in an interview that he has been playing with pain for a month and had to take painkillers and injections before the game. He also initiated the 1-0 for Bayern so I don't understand why you are saying this
Same, and I’m English. Until the WC in 2022, I used to think he was just unlucky/didn’t get the bounce of the ball. It has become very clear now though that he doesn’t have the mentality to become a good player.
@@Epsilon04Kane should be blamed for his other mistakes in previous games e.g poor final performances against Italy. A fluke neurer mistake when he was off the pitch is a bit harsh to put it all on him. Kane is a great player he just can’t be THE best player in team to get you over the line. And that’s okay.
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. He got England ahead of Italy in the shootout until his teammates lost it. He has made Bayern score most goals in top 5 leagues in Europe and UCL, but Tuchel's tactical decisions and Bayern's leaking of goals has been the problem
Don't think any coach can get more out of supreme talents or make them look as impressive and entertaining as Ancelotti, which is why I find it so entertaining to watch Madrid, because every game you'll have a Vini, Rodrygo, Jude etc come out with something special.
@Mavolovolo-zc4lm And what does that still have anything to do with it? Haaland ghosted in every big game last season and this season, Mbappe didn't show up in big KO games either, Musiala wasn't himself etc, are there any good players for you guys?
Also got to note that Guardiola as well despite being extremely systematic used to give Messi the freedom to make decisions and play his own way, at times to manage at the top level you need to give your players the right to play there own game, only then you can play to their best strengths
@Mavolovolo-zc4lm Man United are not a big team with all due respect to their name, I've seen Mateta look like prime R9 against them. Against Arsenal he did play well once in what, 5 meetings? And Bayern that was thanks to an Upamecano slip but fine I'll give you that. Point is you can always point to games for every player where they didn't show up.
Musiala has been taking injections due to his injury. Sane has had a bone problem for a while and Kane back had gone. Can't get onto the players or Tuchel except if you're tryna hinder your team
Vini jr is so magnetic, a creative outlet providing danger and presence from the wing, using talent and skill, vinicius is brilliant, i knew vini was gonna be that guy from he first step into the real madrid locker room, i knew hes gonna be one of the best, i just did not know exactly when, remember real was scouting vini since he was like 14, he was on retainer for real madrid since he was 16 just because he was too young to be given a contract, do you think jus any talent gets that kind of respect from real? So from i saw real madrid doing that for him, i know one day he was gonna be sumn special, and guess what, like mbappe, he still have a lot more to go, their are bigger highs for him than this, vinicius is top tier
The bigger and first disgrace is that 9 minutes extra time went to 15 minutes when only 3 minutes were wasted at most. the ref played a whole first half worth of extra time but no one's talking about the unnecessary prolongation.
Madrids 2nd goal var check and celebrations were exactly 2 mins and 10 secs .. ref added 6 mins on top of 9 mins. That bayern situation happened in the 14th minute but hand should have been over by then
The biggest disgrace was 9 min extra time? Where did 9 min come from? BVB wasted time all game yet PSG was given 4 min added time. Yet they gave 9 min to help Real Madrid get a greater chance to score whilst down 1-0 in the 86th min.
I think Mbappe was never a player that wants te receive the ball and create something out of nowhere. Maybe on te touchline in a 1V1 sometimes, but he often is dependent on his teammates and specially on the strikers he is playing with.
This confirms to me that the Ballon D’or is a PR award, there is no way Jude should be number 1. There’s literally better Madrid players then him, aka Vini.
As a madrid fans i am thinking how mbappe and vini will play at same position for madrid , idk man . Man cam said it on point "when madrid needed mbappe when vini wasn't vini and benzma needed that support on that left hand side but instead he accepted the money from psg . " We literally saw vini growth and how he developed himself . Now he is our saviors for big game match . We don't afford to loose vini even if mbappe come next season man .
that's all subjective BS! One could say that Neuer and Bayern defence could keep a clean sheet and then his assist would matter more. It's not Nadal vs Federer.
About the 2017 tie that you mentioned, people seem to forget that the goal that Bayern scored to take it to extra time (where Ronaldo scored 2 offside goals) was offside. So extra time should never have been played in the first place. Terrible officiating in that game regardless.
Let's not compare the number of refereeing decisions that go Madrid's way to the number that goes other teams' way, it's not comparable. Madrid and Barca get WAY more favourable decisions than other teams in Europe do, even the so-called big clubs.
@@muhannad3486 No, I'm saying that based on historic evidence, especially in recent years. 2016, 2017 and 2018 were all filled with controversial decisions that almost exclusively went their way. Against Atletico, against Juventus, and mostly against Bayern, without which they wouldn't have half of the trophies they won in the last decade or so.
@@Al-ji4gd what happened against Atletico and Juve please? And against Bayern Munich like the man said the own goal of Ramos was offside and that made it go to ET in which Ronaldo scored his 2
I think Cams point about Kane is more suited to Bruno like he said. This Bayern Team with a different striker do the same and he’s walked into a difficult situation at Bayern. Also I think he was injured? not sure tho
Kane was injured or finished after the Camavinga tackle about 5 minutes or so before he was subbed. Watch him after that tackle. He’s jogging, not running and with a slight limp
Bro I hope EVERYONE tells Cam he looks like Anthony Edwards, its wild. I'll admit I knew Cams before Ant... So maybe its Anthony Edwards that looks like Cams!
The 2010s had neymar If Real Madrid win the ucl this season and Vini shines at the copa in the summer he will be this generation’s Neymar I’m calling it early
balance me quick, why do people think Ancelotti didn't workout at Everton? Everton were great under Carlo until James was injured and he didn't have a replacement for him but since they've both left Everton have been fighting relegation for 3 seasons in a row now. his time there wasn't amazing but I think he did what he could with a mid-table team at best if anything really he overachieved in the first half of the season and lack of depth got the better of that team. everyone doubted his signings but they turned out to be the best parts of Everton that season Allan & James (not sure if Doucoure was his signing or not) had great 1st season's in the league.
Ancelotti’s way of management & style of football only works if you have the best players in the world and a good structure supporting him We all saw what happened to Ancelotti’s Napoli & Everton
You got the offside play wrong. De Ligt was offside when the long ball was played, Mazraoui was onside. Mendy tried to head the ball clear. It fell between Nacho and Muller. The ref blew his whistle. Muller took advantage that Nacho stopped going for the ball and headed the ball to de Ligt who is now onside. De Ligt shoots because he has space as Militao stopped running due to the whistle. I believe the linesman saw two Bayern players clearly offside because he missed Rudiger, the Bayern players obscured the linesman's view.
17:20, and i do agree with bro here, we keep forgetting these guys are professionals getting millions of dollars per year to kick a ball about, no disrespect to football its my favourite sport, but your brought here to play ground breaking football with a winning team, then you should play good football then
Its not really crazy to sub out Kane. He offered nothing in the attack and he doesnt have the attributes to really hurt madrid on the counter. He is also not a serial winner, so you cant really expect him to clutch up.
I 100% Agree with Cams takes on Kane, i have said it for years, as good as Kane is, he has never been good enough that he can become your entire teams system, the only players that this can work with is the goat level players, The Messi`s, Cr7`s, Cruyff`s, Zidane`s of the world. Kane isn`t that. Kane is an elite goalscorer and an elite playmaker, but everything cannot run through him, because when it counts he disappears for club and country. I also don`t think Mbappe is the best player in the world, he plays in a subpar league, and while he has been great at France, and he has been great as France`s goalscorer and moments player, but the strategy of France isn`t built around Mbappe, it is built to get the most out of players like Griezmann, Griezmann was the most important player for France in the last world cup, Mbappe might have scored the goals, but that team would be dysfunctional without someone like Griezmann. Is Mbappe still one of the best players in the world sure, but i think he belongs around the 8-10 area. but rather then treating Mbappe as one of the 10 best players in the world, he gets talked about like he is some unstoppable force like what Messi and Cr7 was and he simply isn`t and he has proven that repeatedly throughout his career so far. And calling him transcendant is taking it too far. Madrid should expect better then to go for Mbappe honestly. If Mbappe ends up at Madrid it will be like Madrid`s Beckham move, still a great player, but it would be about PR and marketing. Madrid`s team needs someone like Haaland way more then a player like Mbappe, Vini Jr is better then Mbappe and fits into a similar role on the left.
@@nenemuy He isn`t, but you`re free to be wrong, he has repeatedly proven it over multiple seasons that he isn`t as good as everyone claims that he is, Mbappe is proving me right. So sure claim i have zero ball knowledge or whatever. Nobody is denying Mbappe`s talent, but he isn`t the hands down best player in the world, is he in that discussion sure, but everyone treats Mbappe as if, nobody is even close to him, and there is the issue. Because others score at similar levels(Haaland) or perform better in the CL(Vini Jr) Others are tactically more important to there teams then what Mbappe is in Rodri and Griezmann(for both Atletico and France btw). But i know that all of these things is too much for an Mbappe stan to understand. also Haaland fits Madrid better due to the players they already have currently, Vini is on the left(Mbappe wants to play on the left) Rodrygo also wants to play on the left, but he also works very well at the right wing, so based upon players profiles and where they already want to play Mbappe doesn`t fit aswell as what a more traditional striker would in Madrid`s current set up. But again i don`t expect Mbappe stans to understand, football on a tactical level, it`s only ever about goalscoring and nothing else.
@@thetruth4654 Well, he is and his past performances and CV prove that. It’s so obvious that your agenda is blinding you from what he’s already done for club and country. When you take all that into account and then compare that to anyone else this generation then no one comes close. We don’t need to speak on Mbappe’s talent because everyone mentioned (Vini, Haaland) has talent. I rather compare peak performances and discuss their impact in games over the course of their career. No doubt Mbappe is having a poor season for his own standards in the champions league but taking into account more context (the fact that he’s been one of the champions league best performers this season in most attacking metrics like dribbling, goals, chances created and xA) in a relatively poor attacking side (Dembele had only scored once the entire season before the Barca vs PSG game) that largely depended on Mbappe for goals. It’s only then that we can really get the full picture. Haaland and Vini are massively advantaged playing for their respective teams. Vini was CARRIED to that champions league in 21/22. Haaland was carried similarly to his too (in the semis and finals) We can even see this advantage play out in the recent Madrid v Bayern tie. Joselu made 2 goals to clinch the final spot for Madrid. JOSELU did that. Vini is massively advantaged in this regard and has been EXTREMELY fortunate. Mbappe has never had these advantages or bailouts and yet he’s still performed at both a higher peak level and also has a larger and more complete body of work thus far. NOONE has done anywhere near as much as Mbappe has done this generation, especially under the conditions he’s worked under for club. That’s why he’s called best itw, and none of your faux narratives and misguided agendas change these facts.
@@nenemuy Lol i`m sorry but that is cap, Joselu scored yes, but let`s not pretend that this was what was expected of Joselu, because it wasn`t Joselu isn`t up typical Madrid standards and everyone knows that. Mbappe has won ligue 1 titles with PSG, a team that likely would have won the Ligue 1 trophy without him, as they would just buy more of the best players from Ligue 1 from other teams, in the CL at PSG, Neymar has been PSG`s best performing player. The only impressive thing on Mbappe`s resume is his performances with France, and as i said at France Mbappe is France`s goalscorer and moments player, but the team isn`t built around Mbappe in mind(which is likely a major part of the reason for France`s success to begin with) Because PSG has built around Mbappe repeatedly since 2017 and they have nothing else to show for it then a bunch of Ligue 1 titles and early CL exists. also you say agendas, but i have a far less biased opinion then what you do. I have no problem admitting that Mbappe is one of the best players in the world, which he is, my issue is with how Mbappe is treated like he is a God or something on the football pitch, which his performances has clearly shown since 2017 atleast that he isn`t. It is very clear that any opinion on Mbappe that isn`t about furthur hyping him up is (hatred or some other reactionary response from obsessive Mbappe fans like yourself) the reality is that if Mbappe comes to Madrid, he will likely perform very well, but due to Madrid likely winning with or without Mbappe, it isn`t really that impressive, i for one hoped that PSG would win the CL this season, but Mbappe got the team mates he wanted, and still even with Mbappe getting the players he wanted, when it mattered in the CL, Mbappe was doing his best Darwin Nunez impression(Which should be unacceptable to any player in the best player in the world talks) So if he is the best player in the world why does Mbappe need your excuses? But apperantly the best player in the world Mbappe got sent out of the CL, because he didn`t have a player like Joselu. Don`t you hear how absurd this sounds?
@@thetruth4654 It’s sounds absurd because you’ve misinterpreted what I’ve said. I’ve listed Joselu as just one of the many times Madrid have bailed out players like Vini. Rodrygo and Benzema are other examples. Of course it wasn’t just Joselu that did it. Rudiger, for example, made the pass for the assist to make it 2-1. My point was that playing for the Real Madrid TEAM comes with many advantages that most other players in world football don’t have the privilege of having. Haaland similarly had these advantages last season with his City team. Like I said, Mbappe has never had any of this yet he’s still performed at a higher peak level and has a larger/more complete body of work. I also feel like you didn’t really read my comment that well because your response seems to hinge on the fact that I’m simply a player fan of some sorts who’s given you nothing to engage with in my comments. No, I’m simply informing you of why he’s the best itw and explained why I believe your personal agendas are misguided and make no sense. I’ve listed the reasons and facts as to why Mbappe is the best itw and all you’ve done is call me an obsessive player fan. So I’ll return the favor. I think of you as an obsessive fool who knows nothing about the players you’re talking about, especially when it comes to PSG and its players.
Mbappe is at a stage in his career where he will soon realise that he can't be the only 'main man' in his team if they want success. Very good defences can and will shut him down, so having a superstar duo or trio is crucial for any elite team that wants to dominate.
@@44nkk if you can't see he got shut down Vs Dortmund than clearly you must be a fanboy or something he gets shut down like every year in the UCL except Madrid game in 2021 that's why he's never won the comp he gets shutdown at least 10 games out of 38 in the league etc
Just coz mbappe didnt progress to the final doesnt take away how great of a player he is. Individually one of best hands down. Vini mbappe rodrygo musiala are the best players in that age bracket thing. Btw Rudiger for me is the best CB in the world. Hes so so good. Van diyk and doing that assist in a big game like that sorry.
Jose Mourihno changed Madrid he changed the mentality there's a reason why Madrid fans hold him in high regard.Cams and Lyes are also right about Kane he's playmaking is so overrated. He's also not fit enough to be dropping deep and being where the ST is supposed to be. As a Madrid fan whos not feeling this mbappe move he better win us the treble we've been chasing this guy since 2017. Give me haaland over Mbappe
It seems I’m the only one who thought Musiala played well. He held the ball up very well, evaded pressure, and created chances for his team. Yes, he wasn’t elite but no Bayern player was. Leroy Sane was shocking on the night yet no discourse on him, and Musiala was light years better than him. Maybe I viewed the game differently.
This is my view on kane Kane is not a Bayern player Bayern doesn't need a striker dropping deep bayern needs a striker than camps or can dribble and shoot Tel is a better fit for bayern and even sometimes Choupa he can dribble he is good in the air and good Infront of goal his weakness is his past but If Tuchel benches kane and bayern lose everybody will be onto him so i cant even blame him
did you really said musiala isnt as good as jude bellingham? musiala is a FOOTBALLER. he belongs in the pedri level conversation. hes that good. ofc jude is good but not to that level. he surely is efficient but musiala as a footballer eats jude.
Imagine making PSG get rid of Neymar and some of their better historic names to bring if your flop friends and then leave for free after playing like the French Marcus Rashford for two years. Real Madrid should steer clear.
no he does noottt have to do all this bs in the first season or 2nd or 3rd... madrid has a had figo ronaldo and zidane on the same team and didnt win shit in europe and their legends... it took cr7 4 years and 3 coaches to win the ucl, mbappe has been chased by madrid since he was a child... he vini and rodrygo will create the most fluent and transitional fw line in the world for the next 5-10 yrs.
DNT EVR COMPARE VINI 2 BABY 🐐 MBAPPE!! VINI 4 90 MIN GOT 1 V 1 COVERAGE W/KIMMICH. MBAPPE HASNT SEEN 1 V 1 COVERAGE IN 5 YRS. HE WAS TRIPLED TEAM TUES NO MATTER AT THE 9 OR SHIFTING TO WING. PSG IS UTTER TRASH. CONTEXT MATTERS
Yeah, looks like this CultureCams fella is misinformed, the never say die attitude has been there throughout history and the proof is in the culture of the Remontada. Juanito leaned into the ear of an Inter player when they lost at the Giuseppe Meazza and said: "90 minuti en el Bernabéu son molto longo" (90 minutes in the Bernabéu are too long) and in the return leg Real Madrid trounced Inter 5-1 to comeback and advance.
These Man United fans are so delusional, that explains why their team in the relegation beef, Madrid don’t need Mbappe, Mbappe needs Madrid, first of all Winning the UCL doesn’t make you the best in the world I meannnm Dortmund can vouch for that with all do respect, that’s straight facts, Laliga is dying no competition no teams to watch really they got Girona don’t no nothing about them don’t even know where they came from. Mbappe being in my FIFA EA ultimate is a huge plus 😵💫 so going to Madrid doesn’t just help Madrid with sales more views…etc. It also improve their winning ratio, not just depending on luck or cheating doesn’t work every time and also benefits LaLiga in every aspect. So conclusion, Mbappe isn’t coming to United stop just to push new narrative you man got zero ball knowledge and deffoo needs to give it a rest
I really believe that Mbappe HAS TO win the Ballon d'Or next season. Kind of like how Lyes was saying he needs Ronaldo leves from him. I think if Mbappe comes to Madrid and doesn't score 35 Goals and Win a League or Champions league... after all he put Madrid through with transfer sagas... it's a massive FAILURE.
Cams articulated so well about Kane. This is what a lot of us have felt but were unable to put to word. These two are genuinely so good at discussions
I love that Vini keeps proving himself even tho people keep thinking that Mbappé will come to Madrid and take his spot. Vini is the leader of this new era for us! Hala Madrid
As a Madrid fan I love Jude but, Vini absolutely should win the Ballon D'or this year
It's not even close
First it was Valverde after it's Jude then when he started ghosting they chose another Madrid player these fans are hilarious 😂
@@Chillguy850 They know Bellingham ghost sessions now opens it back up 4 Mbappe & Kane so they switched up to Vini
@Mavolovolo-zc4lm why? How? For spinning Kimmich?
@@Chillguy850 Well, these are the players who are playing the best on the Best team ITW so that's usually how the Ballon d'Or before Messi and Ronaldo worked.
This podcast is just such such quality man the way both of you are able to articulate your takes, the knowledge, the passion, the banter at times its unmatched man. Y’all got something special brewing here man keep this up 🙌
Carlo Ancelloti deserves more praise. His team played the best and believed throughout the game. An all time great Coach
What about the referees? I think they deserve more credit
@@Chillguy850 cry
Rudiger has been the best centre back itw this season, been saying this for months
The more I think about the Mbappe vs Vini thing the more it makes sense. The evidence has been there for a while but everyone is choosing to ignore it
People have always been choosing to ignore it, to feed into the Mbappe PR machine.
Vini is so clear of Mbappe that it isn’t even funny.
I don't think so. Maybe in 2 years if Vini confirms that he is better than Mbappe your take would be good but I don't know if it tht's gonna happen
What evidence has there been? Mbappe has clearly been the better player even this season.
Vini has won in a better league, and he has jet again outperformed Mbappe in the CL.
Mbappe isn’t him, outside of statpadding in a shit league Mbappe hasn’t done close to enough to even be in the best player of the world talks.
And even for France, players like Griezmann Are the reason France’s system works, Mbappe is France’s goalscorer nothing more.
@@thetruth4654I mean he just isn't. Football fans are so reactionary these days
Vini jr has to win the ballondor now
😂😂 he's still behind Kane Mbappe & Jude
@Mavolovolo-zc4lmand youre a name merchant bcs tell me how it shouldnt be someone from the team that go through all competitions unbeaten for the first time ever in europe 😭
I think Vini or one of the four most important Leverkusen players should win it(either Wirtz, Xhaka, Grimaldo or Frimpong, but ballon d`ors does have a massive Barcelona and Madrid bias, so Vini Jr will likely win the award) Even though a few Leverkusen players should be in the top 5-10
@Mavolovolo-zc4lm dancing on Kimmich for 1 half doesn't win u Ballon d'or. It's the overall season
@Mavolovolo-zc4lm ??? All were unreal for club & country
Real Madrid have always had a "never say die" attitude. Even before Ramos' La Decima moment. In Fabio Capello's league winning campaign (2006-07), there were multiple comeback wins.. led by RvN, Jose Antonio Reyes (RIP), Gonzalo Higuain, Raul, Beckham and company.
Dating further back, Juanito coined the phrase in 1986 after Madrid lost 2-0 at the San Siro vs Inter "90 minuti en el Bernabeu son molto longo". In other words, 90 minutes at the Bernabeu is very long.
They won the 2nd leg 3-0 at the Bernabeu.
So wayy before the Ramos/CR7 era, Madrid were making comebacks.
Was thinking about these exact same things.
36:44 Musiala said in an interview that he has been playing with pain for a month and had to take painkillers and injections before the game. He also initiated the 1-0 for Bayern so I don't understand why you are saying this
I agree. Musiala had a far better tie than Bellingham had, and all that while nursing an injury.
@@Al-ji4gd Bellingham also had to take injections in his knee according to Ancelotti, and he's still carrying a shoulder injury
Fax, both Musiala and Foden showed up, Bellingham did not.
@@rajkaranvirk7525 And to the final, Bellingham will show up, and Musiala and Foden will not😂😂
@@cjsiner What makes you think that? Getting carried by Vini is not the flex you think it is. 😂💀
Love the analysis you guys did on Harry Kane.
Same, and I’m English. Until the WC in 2022, I used to think he was just unlucky/didn’t get the bounce of the ball. It has become very clear now though that he doesn’t have the mentality to become a good player.
@@Epsilon04 This is just nonsense, mate. Absolute waffle.
@@Epsilon04Kane should be blamed for his other mistakes in previous games e.g poor final performances against Italy. A fluke neurer mistake when he was off the pitch is a bit harsh to put it all on him. Kane is a great player he just can’t be THE best player in team to get you over the line. And that’s okay.
@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. He got England ahead of Italy in the shootout until his teammates lost it. He has made Bayern score most goals in top 5 leagues in Europe and UCL, but Tuchel's tactical decisions and Bayern's leaking of goals has been the problem
Great chat gents
Don't think any coach can get more out of supreme talents or make them look as impressive and entertaining as Ancelotti, which is why I find it so entertaining to watch Madrid, because every game you'll have a Vini, Rodrygo, Jude etc come out with something special.
@Mavolovolo-zc4lm What in God's name does that have to do with anything that I've said?
@Mavolovolo-zc4lm And what does that still have anything to do with it?
Haaland ghosted in every big game last season and this season, Mbappe didn't show up in big KO games either, Musiala wasn't himself etc, are there any good players for you guys?
Also got to note that Guardiola as well despite being extremely systematic used to give Messi the freedom to make decisions and play his own way, at times to manage at the top level you need to give your players the right to play there own game, only then you can play to their best strengths
@Mavolovolo-zc4lm Man United are not a big team with all due respect to their name, I've seen Mateta look like prime R9 against them.
Against Arsenal he did play well once in what, 5 meetings? And Bayern that was thanks to an Upamecano slip but fine I'll give you that.
Point is you can always point to games for every player where they didn't show up.
Musiala has been taking injections due to his injury. Sane has had a bone problem for a while and Kane back had gone. Can't get onto the players or Tuchel except if you're tryna hinder your team
Great conversation guys 👏👏
Vini jr is so magnetic, a creative outlet providing danger and presence from the wing, using talent and skill, vinicius is brilliant, i knew vini was gonna be that guy from he first step into the real madrid locker room, i knew hes gonna be one of the best, i just did not know exactly when, remember real was scouting vini since he was like 14, he was on retainer for real madrid since he was 16 just because he was too young to be given a contract, do you think jus any talent gets that kind of respect from real? So from i saw real madrid doing that for him, i know one day he was gonna be sumn special, and guess what, like mbappe, he still have a lot more to go, their are bigger highs for him than this, vinicius is top tier
The bigger and first disgrace is that 9 minutes extra time went to 15 minutes when only 3 minutes were wasted at most. the ref played a whole first half worth of extra time but no one's talking about the unnecessary prolongation.
Madrids 2nd goal var check and celebrations were exactly 2 mins and 10 secs .. ref added 6 mins on top of 9 mins. That bayern situation happened in the 14th minute but hand should have been over by then
The biggest disgrace was 9 min extra time? Where did 9 min come from? BVB wasted time all game yet PSG was given 4 min added time. Yet they gave 9 min to help Real Madrid get a greater chance to score whilst down 1-0 in the 86th min.
Fuck the big 3 it’s just big vini
I think Mbappe was never a player that wants te receive the ball and create something out of nowhere. Maybe on te touchline in a 1V1 sometimes, but he often is dependent on his teammates and specially on the strikers he is playing with.
This confirms to me that the Ballon D’or is a PR award, there is no way Jude should be number 1. There’s literally better Madrid players then him, aka Vini.
As a madrid fans i am thinking how mbappe and vini will play at same position for madrid , idk man . Man cam said it on point "when madrid needed mbappe when vini wasn't vini and benzma needed that support on that left hand side but instead he accepted the money from psg . "
We literally saw vini growth and how he developed himself . Now he is our saviors for big game match . We don't afford to loose vini even if mbappe come next season man .
Harry Kane - 44 goals this szn for Bayern , Joselu like 15 but scored 2 that matters more .
that's all subjective BS! One could say that Neuer and Bayern defence could keep a clean sheet and then his assist would matter more. It's not Nadal vs Federer.
Bellingham even getting close to a Ballon d'Or is a travesty, especially when his own team has a couple of players that are better than him.
About the 2017 tie that you mentioned, people seem to forget that the goal that Bayern scored to take it to extra time (where Ronaldo scored 2 offside goals) was offside. So extra time should never have been played in the first place. Terrible officiating in that game regardless.
And also the pen on Carvajal wasn't a pen as well in the 1st leg.
Let's not compare the number of refereeing decisions that go Madrid's way to the number that goes other teams' way, it's not comparable. Madrid and Barca get WAY more favourable decisions than other teams in Europe do, even the so-called big clubs.
@@Al-ji4gd you're just assuming that buddy because Madrid win the most
@@muhannad3486 No, I'm saying that based on historic evidence, especially in recent years. 2016, 2017 and 2018 were all filled with controversial decisions that almost exclusively went their way. Against Atletico, against Juventus, and mostly against Bayern, without which they wouldn't have half of the trophies they won in the last decade or so.
@@Al-ji4gd what happened against Atletico and Juve please? And against Bayern Munich like the man said the own goal of Ramos was offside and that made it go to ET in which Ronaldo scored his 2
I think Cams point about Kane is more suited to Bruno like he said. This Bayern Team with a different striker do the same and he’s walked into a difficult situation at Bayern. Also I think he was injured? not sure tho
Kane was injured or finished after the Camavinga tackle about 5 minutes or so before he was subbed. Watch him after that tackle. He’s jogging, not running and with a slight limp
About Kane that’s how he always played his youth coaches used to call him a half 9
Lyes haircut 💀 jk good video about vini jr and mbappe
Bro got that andrew Schulz fade 🤣
Bro I hope EVERYONE tells Cam he looks like Anthony Edwards, its wild. I'll admit I knew Cams before Ant... So maybe its Anthony Edwards that looks like Cams!
I’ve been calling Rüdiger the best CB in world since last year
The 2010s had neymar
If Real Madrid win the ucl this season and Vini shines at the copa in the summer he will be this generation’s Neymar I’m calling it early
“This is not the Mbappe show!” -Lyes after writing, producing, directing and co-starring in the Mbappe show
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balance me quick, why do people think Ancelotti didn't workout at Everton? Everton were great under Carlo until James was injured and he didn't have a replacement for him but since they've both left Everton have been fighting relegation for 3 seasons in a row now. his time there wasn't amazing but I think he did what he could with a mid-table team at best if anything really he overachieved in the first half of the season and lack of depth got the better of that team. everyone doubted his signings but they turned out to be the best parts of Everton that season Allan & James (not sure if Doucoure was his signing or not) had great 1st season's in the league.
59:01 The Real Madrid winning machine vs Marco Reus and the power of friendship 😅
Ballon D'or Vini
We will be there.
Unstoppable force meets very movable object LOL
Ancelotti’s way of management & style of football only works if you have the best players in the world and a good structure supporting him
We all saw what happened to Ancelotti’s Napoli & Everton
I’ve always thought that the Real Madrid team thts being built is going to be Vini team Jude Mbappe and Rodrygo are his running mates
You got the offside play wrong. De Ligt was offside when the long ball was played, Mazraoui was onside. Mendy tried to head the ball clear. It fell between Nacho and Muller. The ref blew his whistle. Muller took advantage that Nacho stopped going for the ball and headed the ball to de Ligt who is now onside. De Ligt shoots because he has space as Militao stopped running due to the whistle. I believe the linesman saw two Bayern players clearly offside because he missed Rudiger, the Bayern players obscured the linesman's view.
Let's also not forget this complication happened in the 13th min of a 15 min extra time .... Which should have been only 9
Don Carlo with yet another UCL masterclass. tuchel with the exact opposite tactic. lmao. Hala Madrid.🥶
People keep harassing Barcelona about 2009 match against Chelsea but Madrid just keep getting away with these robberies
17:20, and i do agree with bro here, we keep forgetting these guys are professionals getting millions of dollars per year to kick a ball about, no disrespect to football its my favourite sport, but your brought here to play ground breaking football with a winning team, then you should play good football then
Its not really crazy to sub out Kane. He offered nothing in the attack and he doesnt have the attributes to really hurt madrid on the counter. He is also not a serial winner, so you cant really expect him to clutch up.
I 100% Agree with Cams takes on Kane, i have said it for years, as good as Kane is, he has never been good enough that he can become your entire teams system, the only players that this can work with is the goat level players, The Messi`s, Cr7`s, Cruyff`s, Zidane`s of the world. Kane isn`t that.
Kane is an elite goalscorer and an elite playmaker, but everything cannot run through him, because when it counts he disappears for club and country.
I also don`t think Mbappe is the best player in the world, he plays in a subpar league, and while he has been great at France, and he has been great as France`s goalscorer and moments player, but the strategy of France isn`t built around Mbappe, it is built to get the most out of players like Griezmann, Griezmann was the most important player for France in the last world cup, Mbappe might have scored the goals, but that team would be dysfunctional without someone like Griezmann.
Is Mbappe still one of the best players in the world sure, but i think he belongs around the 8-10 area.
but rather then treating Mbappe as one of the 10 best players in the world, he gets talked about like he is some unstoppable force like what Messi and Cr7 was and he simply isn`t and he has proven that repeatedly throughout his career so far. And calling him transcendant is taking it too far. Madrid should expect better then to go for Mbappe honestly.
If Mbappe ends up at Madrid it will be like Madrid`s Beckham move, still a great player, but it would be about PR and marketing.
Madrid`s team needs someone like Haaland way more then a player like Mbappe, Vini Jr is better then Mbappe and fits into a similar role on the left.
Mbappe is better than vini and haaland dude. You spread your agenda in every comment section I see you and it's pathetic. 0 ball knowledge
@@nenemuy He isn`t, but you`re free to be wrong, he has repeatedly proven it over multiple seasons that he isn`t as good as everyone claims that he is, Mbappe is proving me right. So sure claim i have zero ball knowledge or whatever.
Nobody is denying Mbappe`s talent, but he isn`t the hands down best player in the world, is he in that discussion sure, but everyone treats Mbappe as if, nobody is even close to him, and there is the issue.
Because others score at similar levels(Haaland) or perform better in the CL(Vini Jr) Others are tactically more important to there teams then what Mbappe is in Rodri and Griezmann(for both Atletico and France btw). But i know that all of these things is too much for an Mbappe stan to understand.
also Haaland fits Madrid better due to the players they already have currently, Vini is on the left(Mbappe wants to play on the left) Rodrygo also wants to play on the left, but he also works very well at the right wing, so based upon players profiles and where they already want to play Mbappe doesn`t fit aswell as what a more traditional striker would in Madrid`s current set up. But again i don`t expect Mbappe stans to understand, football on a tactical level, it`s only ever about goalscoring and nothing else.
@@thetruth4654 Well, he is and his past performances and CV prove that. It’s so obvious that your agenda is blinding you from what he’s already done for club and country. When you take all that into account and then compare that to anyone else this generation then no one comes close. We don’t need to speak on Mbappe’s talent because everyone mentioned (Vini, Haaland) has talent. I rather compare peak performances and discuss their impact in games over the course of their career. No doubt Mbappe is having a poor season for his own standards in the champions league but taking into account more context (the fact that he’s been one of the champions league best performers this season in most attacking metrics like dribbling, goals, chances created and xA) in a relatively poor attacking side (Dembele had only scored once the entire season before the Barca vs PSG game) that largely depended on Mbappe for goals. It’s only then that we can really get the full picture. Haaland and Vini are massively advantaged playing for their respective teams. Vini was CARRIED to that champions league in 21/22. Haaland was carried similarly to his too (in the semis and finals) We can even see this advantage play out in the recent Madrid v Bayern tie. Joselu made 2 goals to clinch the final spot for Madrid. JOSELU did that. Vini is massively advantaged in this regard and has been EXTREMELY fortunate. Mbappe has never had these advantages or bailouts and yet he’s still performed at both a higher peak level and also has a larger and more complete body of work thus far. NOONE has done anywhere near as much as Mbappe has done this generation, especially under the conditions he’s worked under for club. That’s why he’s called best itw, and none of your faux narratives and misguided agendas change these facts.
@@nenemuy Lol i`m sorry but that is cap, Joselu scored yes, but let`s not pretend that this was what was expected of Joselu, because it wasn`t Joselu isn`t up typical Madrid standards and everyone knows that.
Mbappe has won ligue 1 titles with PSG, a team that likely would have won the Ligue 1 trophy without him, as they would just buy more of the best players from Ligue 1 from other teams, in the CL at PSG, Neymar has been PSG`s best performing player. The only impressive thing on Mbappe`s resume is his performances with France, and as i said at France Mbappe is France`s goalscorer and moments player, but the team isn`t built around Mbappe in mind(which is likely a major part of the reason for France`s success to begin with) Because PSG has built around Mbappe repeatedly since 2017 and they have nothing else to show for it then a bunch of Ligue 1 titles and early CL exists.
also you say agendas, but i have a far less biased opinion then what you do. I have no problem admitting that Mbappe is one of the best players in the world, which he is, my issue is with how Mbappe is treated like he is a God or something on the football pitch, which his performances has clearly shown since 2017 atleast that he isn`t. It is very clear that any opinion on Mbappe that isn`t about furthur hyping him up is (hatred or some other reactionary response from obsessive Mbappe fans like yourself)
the reality is that if Mbappe comes to Madrid, he will likely perform very well, but due to Madrid likely winning with or without Mbappe, it isn`t really that impressive, i for one hoped that PSG would win the CL this season, but Mbappe got the team mates he wanted, and still even with Mbappe getting the players he wanted, when it mattered in the CL, Mbappe was doing his best Darwin Nunez impression(Which should be unacceptable to any player in the best player in the world talks) So if he is the best player in the world why does Mbappe need your excuses? But apperantly the best player in the world Mbappe got sent out of the CL, because he didn`t have a player like Joselu. Don`t you hear how absurd this sounds?
@@thetruth4654 It’s sounds absurd because you’ve misinterpreted what I’ve said. I’ve listed Joselu as just one of the many times Madrid have bailed out players like Vini. Rodrygo and Benzema are other examples. Of course it wasn’t just Joselu that did it. Rudiger, for example, made the pass for the assist to make it 2-1. My point was that playing for the Real Madrid TEAM comes with many advantages that most other players in world football don’t have the privilege of having. Haaland similarly had these advantages last season with his City team. Like I said, Mbappe has never had any of this yet he’s still performed at a higher peak level and has a larger/more complete body of work. I also feel like you didn’t really read my comment that well because your response seems to hinge on the fact that I’m simply a player fan of some sorts who’s given you nothing to engage with in my comments. No, I’m simply informing you of why he’s the best itw and explained why I believe your personal agendas are misguided and make no sense. I’ve listed the reasons and facts as to why Mbappe is the best itw and all you’ve done is call me an obsessive player fan. So I’ll return the favor. I think of you as an obsessive fool who knows nothing about the players you’re talking about, especially when it comes to PSG and its players.
Mbappe is at a stage in his career where he will soon realise that he can't be the only 'main man' in his team if they want success.
Very good defences can and will shut him down, so having a superstar duo or trio is crucial for any elite team that wants to dominate.
No defences can "shut him down" lol. He had numerous good chances to score against Dortmund, on another day he scores 2-3 goals in the tie.
@@44nkklol gets shut down many times lol all players do
@@Gtdmilon514 How did he get shut down?
@Mavolovolo-zc4lm How did he get shut down?
@@44nkk if you can't see he got shut down Vs Dortmund than clearly you must be a fanboy or something he gets shut down like every year in the UCL except Madrid game in 2021 that's why he's never won the comp he gets shutdown at least 10 games out of 38 in the league etc
Just coz mbappe didnt progress to the final doesnt take away how great of a player he is. Individually one of best hands down. Vini mbappe rodrygo musiala are the best players in that age bracket thing. Btw Rudiger for me is the best CB in the world. Hes so so good. Van diyk and doing that assist in a big game like that sorry.
Jose Mourihno changed Madrid he changed the mentality there's a reason why Madrid fans hold him in high regard.Cams and Lyes are also right about Kane he's playmaking is so overrated. He's also not fit enough to be dropping deep and being where the ST is supposed to be. As a Madrid fan whos not feeling this mbappe move he better win us the treble we've been chasing this guy since 2017. Give me haaland over Mbappe
What if Mbappe go to Barcelona? 😂😂😂
Wayching Vini Jr vs Kimmick makes me think Walker is the best right back of all time
He is not obligated to blow the whistle
It seems I’m the only one who thought Musiala played well.
He held the ball up very well, evaded pressure, and created chances for his team. Yes, he wasn’t elite but no Bayern player was. Leroy Sane was shocking on the night yet no discourse on him, and Musiala was light years better than him.
Maybe I viewed the game differently.
Unfair to Kane
Banana boat 🤔 49:42 hmm wdym lyes
i dont feel like its on the ref cause more time they do trust the linesman
if a Real Madrid player wins the ballon d’or CA would’ve coached the most ballon d’or winners
you are talking as if vini was present 2018 while mbappe was doing it then
This is my view on kane
Kane is not a Bayern player
Bayern doesn't need a striker dropping deep bayern needs a striker than camps or can dribble and shoot Tel is a better fit for bayern and even sometimes Choupa he can dribble he is good in the air and good Infront of goal his weakness is his past but If Tuchel benches kane and bayern lose everybody will be onto him so i cant even blame him
did you really said musiala isnt as good as jude bellingham? musiala is a FOOTBALLER. he belongs in the pedri level conversation. hes that good. ofc jude is good but not to that level. he surely is efficient but musiala as a footballer eats jude.
Kane is only respected cuz he’s English, had he had a different passport they would’ve never put him in the brackets of Aguero Lewa Benz Suarez etc
If jude scores a volley in final he is part of the matrix 😭😭😂😂😂 fair play tho
Imagine making PSG get rid of Neymar and some of their better historic names to bring if your flop friends and then leave for free after playing like the French Marcus Rashford for two years. Real Madrid should steer clear.
If you think about it the referee fucked both Madrid and Bayern on deligt goal
Who wins the Ballon dor if dortmund win
Sancho
Rudiger ballon dor
Vini will ghost in the final and in Copa and all this smoke and mirrors will dissipate just like last year for Haaland
Bellingham still won't win it and don't deserve to
@@JuniorSmith-truthseeker I don’t think Bellingham is winning it either
no he does noottt have to do all this bs in the first season or 2nd or 3rd... madrid has a had figo ronaldo and zidane on the same team and didnt win shit in europe and their legends... it took cr7 4 years and 3 coaches to win the ucl, mbappe has been chased by madrid since he was a child... he vini and rodrygo will create the most fluent and transitional fw line in the world for the next 5-10 yrs.
Ref did the same for joselu 2nd goal, flag went up n straight away the ref blow the whistle
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DNT EVR COMPARE VINI 2 BABY 🐐 MBAPPE!! VINI 4 90 MIN GOT 1 V 1 COVERAGE W/KIMMICH. MBAPPE HASNT SEEN 1 V 1 COVERAGE IN 5 YRS. HE WAS TRIPLED TEAM TUES NO MATTER AT THE 9 OR SHIFTING TO WING. PSG IS UTTER TRASH. CONTEXT MATTERS
We all watch football. Stop lying. It was Vini vs kimmich/laimer/De Ligt.
Mbappe doesn’t even try in games sometimes.
@@ghedemetv1424 watch again. If u see the same thing, then get 👓.
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Yeah, looks like this CultureCams fella is misinformed, the never say die attitude has been there throughout history and the proof is in the culture of the Remontada. Juanito leaned into the ear of an Inter player when they lost at the Giuseppe Meazza and said: "90 minuti en el Bernabéu son molto longo" (90 minutes in the Bernabéu are too long) and in the return leg Real Madrid trounced Inter 5-1 to comeback and advance.
Vini is better then Mbappe and Vini Jr should win the Ballon D’or over Jude easily
Banana boat?
Hopefully Mbappe comes and gives us a treble 😂. I also want Belligoal to score a Zidane volley and do his celebration 😂
These Man United fans are so delusional, that explains why their team in the relegation beef, Madrid don’t need Mbappe, Mbappe needs Madrid, first of all Winning the UCL doesn’t make you the best in the world I meannnm Dortmund can vouch for that with all do respect, that’s straight facts, Laliga is dying no competition no teams to watch really they got Girona don’t no nothing about them don’t even know where they came from. Mbappe being in my FIFA EA ultimate is a huge plus 😵💫 so going to Madrid doesn’t just help Madrid with sales more views…etc. It also improve their winning ratio, not just depending on luck or cheating doesn’t work every time and also benefits LaLiga in every aspect.
So conclusion, Mbappe isn’t coming to United stop just to push new narrative you man got zero ball knowledge and deffoo needs to give it a rest
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Madrid was always like that man there are many comebacks before Ronaldo even fame to Madeid and stuff
Wow these typos I meant came* and Madrid*
Not really, it’s really under Ancelotti this has happened.
@@rajkaranvirk7525 bro it was happening in when the first two numbers of the year were 19
I really believe that Mbappe HAS TO win the Ballon d'Or next season. Kind of like how Lyes was saying he needs Ronaldo leves from him. I think if Mbappe comes to Madrid and doesn't score 35 Goals and Win a League or Champions league... after all he put Madrid through with transfer sagas... it's a massive FAILURE.
God this podcast is so bad
Then don't watch 🤔
Then why tf are you tuning in
@@rtd4413 Sorry, I see it on reels all the time. Its so bad I had to comment and leave.