The WBP AK-AR (AR Mag-fed AK) is Coming to the US!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- In this episode of TFBTV, @JamesReeves is at IWA 2023 talking with Polish AK manufacturer, WBP, manufacturers of the famous WBP Jack. WBP has something quite clever up their sleeves for 2023, and that's the introduction of the (tentatively) WBP "AK-AR", an AK that accepts AR magazines. There are a number of brilliant features included, so be sure to watch the whole video.
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Ahh finally, the legendary Ak-15
So this is the one politicians have been talking about
Also known as the AR-47
You’re thinking of the AR-14 which does not exist…. Except in the mind of Brandon… 😂
Funnily enough, the AK-15 actually exists, although it's just the 7.62×39 variant of the AK-12.
Fully semi-auto.
The bolt hold open is really cool. The magwell isn't really anything new, I've had a Zastava M85NP for over a decade. I do like that the WBP magwell is aluminum, the one on my Zastava is polymer.
when i found out about the M85NP it was too late. It was no longer in production and it was hard finding one. This looks promising. Id pick this up as long as QC is good and its reliable.
@@DillIshOn To be honest, as far as QC & Build quality Zastava has had more QC issues pop up in the past 2 years than WBP in probably it's entire 6-7 years in the U.S.
Zastavas are well made guns, especially for the $1,000ish price point you get a 1.5MM receiver, Cold hammer forged chrome lined barrel, but they mass-produce & it shows
Its not. Adapters exist. Seen steel, aluminum, polymer and even people gutting ar lowers at the mill to turn into magwell for nato k. Some snap in. Others rivit or bolt in and are pinned through the original mag release.
All nato k can ar15 mag. Ive even seen people add lugs to ar mags and rock those in like ak mags.
Aks are super fun to modify. Imagination and workmanship can do anything.
I've looked and everything is gone, sold out etc. It's not so easy...
Beautiful gun! My only concern is that at a $2,000 price point it may not grab as big a piece of the market in the US as WBP might be hoping for. Looking forward to the future review so we can peak inside!
If it's $2K, then I'm out
My thoughts exactly. When there’s already solid 223 AK offerings… all you’re really getting here is the AR mag compatibility and last round bolt hold open. Both of which are great to see, and I’d love to have, but… probably not worth the added cost for most people. It definitely wouldn’t be for me.
Still, it doesn’t sound like the price is finalized, so we’ll see what they come in at.
There are certainly more competitive options already.
If it’s $2k you might as well stick with Galil Ace 556.
I'm buying one
Polish made SG550 which is a swiss made AK.
Probably the best execution of the concept.
If you absolutely need a long stroke 5.56 assault rifle and want to torture yourself to attach accessories this is fantastic.
Rails for what?
Just mount a light an you are gtg
This is nothing remotely equal to a SG550. It's a kluge, and a kluge that involves a less-reliable magazine with a dubious additional feature. Not the best idea in the world.
Why torture? Put zenitco B30 rail + B33 dust cover and you got the same attachment profile as on any AR. SG550 isn't very reliable
This is so cool. I love seeing innovation modernizing the AK platform. There are 6 bodies buried at the intersection of highway 264 and 903.
Ha, I live in Greenville, I know what I'm doing Sunday!
@@anchopanchorancho report back fam
based murderer
Definitive Arms did it 10 years ago
right by the texas roadhouse?
I’m so excited for everything that WBP puts out there.
just what we need another over priced stamped ak
where are the 454 AK 74S LMAO
@@SpaceRanger187 all aks are NOT "overpriced" when compared to literally anything besides an AR
Now I realise that Pakistan 🇵🇰 made AK15 is best, the thing which you are trying to introduce in 2023 I tried in 2012. The idea 💡 of Ak47 shape 5.56 ammo is fantastic, I made it with local Gun's Smith in Dara Adam Khel, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Pakistan.
PSA already did this
FB Radom is good
WBP is good
Pioneer isn't
Interesting, glad WBP is growing it's offerings. Maybe WBP can make some Grots? However, i'm waiting for a new batch of Jack 556 and I hope they have stock finish color options like recent Jack 762.
Grot is made by different company (owner of Beryl, other AK-like rifle). You have to ask distributors of Beryl if Grot going to be available. Cheers from Poland!
Grot is propertiary of fb radom, and cannot be produced by anyone else.
@@TheLordYoghurt for next few years I wouldn't get my hopes high. Civilian market in Poland is Grot-starved atm, the military and Ukrainians are taking everything that comes off the assembly lines.
Come on 11 months where is it?
only worth considering if it prices around $1000... if $1800 forget it. But great idea - AK taking AR mags - so we have this type of product with PSA and now WBP... Zastava needs to get on it now.
It's a WBP so it will definitely be over $1000. Their quality is pretty good imo. AK's aren't cheap anymore btw.
@@Ntmoffi true ... just hoping... man just a few years i picked up Russian VEPRs new for $1000 and there was no tax. Now the price is high as hell and you have to pay tax on everything (at least in NV) - sure some vendors u won't pay tax but hard to find like WBPs there. Neways when u picked up VEPRs for $1000 hard to pay $1200 -1300 for WBP. But do need a bomb proof 556 AK in my collection - PSA has one, now WBP coming. Don't like the Zastava since it doesn't take AR mags.
@aperfectcircle007 it's a reasonable expectation lol. 1800 is way too much.
Agreed, 1800 is like high mid tier, upper echelon AR15 pricing. Hell can get a Geissele or Daniel Defense or SOLGW for that price!
@Cav Trooper 19D i am sure Zastava is watching and will come up with AK taking AR mags soon and if prices around 1200 will sell like hot cakes... that would be a good buy. Also if PSA puts a FN CHF in their 556 AK and prices around 1200 would be good buy - esp if get with a railed dust cover (thats if it holds zero well)
Great! I’m happy that WBP is trying to keep making new stuff. I applaud them and now to find a 556 WBP to go with my 762
I've been having wbp jack 556sr for a year now they been importing them for a year but they take 556 ak mags like aks should take not a funky AR mag. But was just letting u no bout the wbp jack 556sr they been importing for a little over a year
@@timothycain4512 It's 7.62 ARs that are known for AR 7.62 mag problems because of the curve design, 5.56 mags are less curvy so AR & AK 5.56 mags are almost identical.
They have been making 556 guns for a long time. I run theirs in my z85.
Edit: I run their magazines in my z85
Definitive Arms has entered the chat. I got my Russian Saiga 223 converted to take AR mags with an integral LRBHO and bolt release 10 years ago ...
I could never get them to convert mine. ton of emails and calls never returned
@@Mister5point56 I guess I was lucky...they replied to me with a rather snotty and condescending email that pretty much said, "we only do it for special people and you're not one of them." IMO, they can FOAD. That said, I expect them to get their panties in a twist and try to sue to prevent this.
Definitive Arms came on like gangbusters. Now?... can't find them
@@jerryaelvoet72 That's what happens when ego gets in the way of common sense.
Psa already makes this
Century already did this with the pap 85. They just never worked on cleaning up the execution like good foldable stocks and a dust cover mounted rail. So, I'm glad someone else is going to take a crack at this. I think Sig ought to sell the 556 again except with more of a too rail.
Too expensive for what it is. Personally I would never buy one of these.
Love my WBP JACK 🇵🇱
They should've offered it with a pinned and welded suppressor ready muzzle device.
PSA has em for around 1-1300$. But competition is always welcome
Not gonna lie
I dig it
You went all the way to Bulgaria to find something PSA sells?
Looks pretty cool, but why would or should I choose this over an AR15?
Same reason people might like a Porsche Over a corvette. Personal taste mostly.
Because you want an AK, but want it to use the 500 AR mags you already have?? You know, so you don't have to buy more?
PSA is already doing this
The steps people will go to make their "AK" an AR.
Just admit you bought a trashcan gun, and you wish you'd bought something better. 🤣🤣
Except it's not to make AK an AR? It's to standardize on a magazine pattern.
@@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273 So... The AR is so good, you want your AK to be more like it, and take the same magazine?
...and stock, and rails, and handguard, forward grip, optics, slings, AND caliber?
Ah... Makes perfect sense. Just standardizing. Seemed different to me at first. 🤣
@@joeytomato Except of the things you mentions only mag is from AR.
And .223 is not better than 5.45, it's more easily available.
@@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273 my original comment, wasn't specifically about this gun... Just the things people do, to make their AK more AR like. This gun, with this magazine conversion, is just one example.
And ballistically, no...
I was thinking "but why?" until I actually saw this thing with LRBHO and realize it's from WBP. Should be good stuff
Very cool. Glad to see more innovation that actually works, makes sense, is practical, and looks sexy to boot.
I’m excited for future comments if this makes it to the states…”$1800 I can’t buy that!” To be fair that’s arsenal pricing from a company that doesn’t have the history of other manufacturers.
Coming to America? Have you heard of PSA? Pretty sure they already make this.
Yeah, with all the same features at half the price.
pretty cool, but idk about that price. PSA's AK556 is like half the price and has similar features
Not in the EU it doesn't. Nobody's going to bother importing a PSA.
Why would I close a close to $1900 AK when a $700 AR build would outshoot it any time and place. And of I wanted to feel rich I could throw a $300 CHF barrel in that AR and still be at $1000. WTF !!? Oh yeah and it does not need any extra engineering to keep the bolt locked open. Seriously!! Who comes up with this shit!!??? Oooh ooohh and the AR takes AR mags
We already have these American made by Palmetto State Armory, in the US. For some time now.
Now wondering how the $999 PSA AK556 is holding up. $1800 Euros? For less than that you can go with a rock and lock Aresenal Sam.
Rock n lock AK magwell > AR15 push button magwell. AR's all day but damn the AR magazine release is garbage compared to an AK. You know how many AR mags I've seen fall out just because they weren't quite seated all the way... I'd take an AR anyday but damn the mag retention on AKs are absolutely better.
This year has been a blessing of innovation blooming in the gun industry. As seen by IWA ShotShow already. Keep it coming, thanks to TFB for all the updates.
I don't remember seeing much innovation at shot
There wasnt a hell of a lot at IWA. 90% is the same as 2018 when i first entered there. Some things sure but we are talking about 7 big halls with up to 50 stalls each...
“Hundreds of hours of engineering “ when you can just shoot an ar instead!!! Brilliant!
I feel like it would look a lot less ugly if it had modernized alpha style dust cover with sharper edges or something.
but why? It's like adding a d!ck to a woman. Sure, it's an extra feature, but one that really isn't needed. Why would you want to mix and match 2 weapons systems that are perfectly fine on their own? it's blasphemy
ARAK-1547
Arak means booze in Malay
Not only in Malay:))
Doesn’t palmetto state armory already make an Ak-ar combo.??
5.56mm and AR mags. At this point, why not just shoot a piston AR? Or a Bren, Scar, or any other modern piston rifle?
Garbage we need underfolder aks in 556 not hybrid ar trash no thanks!
I agree
Euro vs American physique on display. With all due respect RIP
1:19 Not Bulgarian mags. It's Yugoslavian (Serbian, Zastava arms) mags that have bolt hold open mags.
Looks pretty cool
$2000 for a stamped AK. Give your balls a tug 🤣🤣🤣
What unholy abomination is this?!
Brothers, get the flamer. The heavy flamer.
not a single difference from the PSAK556 offerings, late to the party
Калашников на все времена.
Lost me at 1800+ Euro 2k$..not going to pay such a price for any Polish AK
Isn’t this the same as the PSA 5.56? I thought it also had a bolt hold
The PSA AK-556 does have a bolt hold open.
I'm not a big AK guy in general so having an AK in 5.56 really does not interest me at all, but that said, WBP is one of the best AK manufacturers on the market right now and their AKs sell out almost as soon as they are restocked in the US. I have no doubt that this will be another extremely high-quality WBP product. I would like to know if WBP would consider making both a milled receiver full-size "Jack" AK, AND either a milled or stamped full-size "Jack" in an underfolder configuration? I'm particularly interested in a WBP "Jack" underfolder, even a stamped one. PLEASE consider making these guys!
Agreed I'm not sure why anyone would choose this over an AR15, I certainly wouldn't.
Well because AK47’s work and have been since 1947 and will still be working in wars until the end of time lol! Nothing wrong with ar-15’s but it’s funny that 99% of the guns used in war are AK’s 🤷♂️
@@abc4781 I cannot get on with AR15 charging handles. They just feel like the clumsiest thing in the world to me. I'm just an AK fan. I just personally love the ergonomics of an AK. And having a quality Polish manufactured AK with a proper bolt hold open just sounds like fun incarnate.
@@maotseovich1347 that's because you're a communist
Milled AKs are overrated.
Holy shit. They made a ar mag ak that doesnt look hideous.
You slapped the AR magwell on an AK and now ur selling iz for almost 2k. Well done.
As a Russian dude born and raised in America this warms my bi cultural Slavic soul. I need it
Lmao 2 grand??? There are companies that will take a 556 saiga and make a mag well to accept AR mags
if they can beat PSA's AK556, ill give this a 2nd look
Looks pretty slick but can we get it in 7.62x39?
at twice the price of the PSA doing the exact same thing I dont see it doing well on the US market.
Fantastic, thank you for showing us this company's products!
Hard pass at that price. Someone needs to tell these guys the noobs already got fleeced.
I spit my Coke Zero out when he said 1800 euros.
Palmetto already have!
Psa already makes one. Affordable and quality product
My favorite rifle, which I picked up in December 2022, is the PSA ArK 556. I'd love to see a side by side video.
Have you used anything other than pmags?
I imagine that is how this would be better, being able to use steel mags
I can run steel, lancer, and various pmags in mine. The only difference between them is some drop free and others don't. Pmag gen 2 work best and drop free but the rest you have to strip.
@juint has something to do with how PSA designed the mag well around the PMag gen 2.
@@Bigbigpoopi hex mags seem okay too
I need this to go with my palmetto state armory ark 5.56
Exciting! We own THREE WBP firearms and love them!
This is the one and only AR/AK hybrid that I have ever considered getting. The aluminum mag well and last round bolt hold open that is actually engineered into the rifle itself and not a mag feature is just great.
Hundreds of hours of engineering 🤔 does anyone notice how similar this looks to the PSA 556AK…..
Yeah! Exactly! Why the hell did they spend hundreds of hours of engineering on this? To modify the bolt and bolt carrier and make them nonstandard? That's up there in the top stupidest things they could have done. Such a gun would be brilliant if it keeps a standard AK bolt carrier and a standard 5.56 AK bolt. But, then again, we're talking about WBP here, who even for their "standard" AKMs have a weird bolt stem somewhere in between the AKM and the AK-74, making both the bolt and the bolt carrier proprietary. They're not very smart.
As Robski of AKOUL says " it is AK!" ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇺🇦🔱🌻🌸💮🌼🏴☠️🏹
It never show up in USA at all
Imagine this with a folding stock.
556 AK's that take AR mags don't look that good but kinda makes sense for someone who already have an AR and wanna try an AK for fun. 556 AK mags are not that common and some of the 556 aks are picky on magazines
Missed opportunity for galil style rear sights, ambi safety, and railed dust cover
They copying PSA homework
I like that the mag well is aluminum instead of polymer
Yes an actual Ak with a bolt hold open feature. Wonder what the mag compatibility is like. Very cool.
It'll take whatever AR mag you can cram into it.
@@skinwalker69420 Yes - including metal ones.
@@Wbprogow yeah you guys made a point on that multiple times, oh, by the way, will flush fit California mags work in this? The magwell looks a little long.
Knowing Stefan, everything will fit. The guy is passionate about his stuff.
as far as I know california compliant mags are 10 rounders without modifications. Yes, I thinking they will fit, since we are limited to 10 rounds in germany and most of Europe. What you see in the video is a 10 rnd pmag copy from Oberland Arms (OAmag) with baseplate mounted body extension. Still 10 rounds, but better look and handling. There is also Alpha grip who manufactures such extensions for Magpul 10 rnd AR and AK PMAGs.
"Magwell is bolted and screwed on" what could go wrong with that? 🤣
I bet if the big guy asked if he could take a look under the hood and take pictures, 10% all the way. Way to go Poland!
Meh.
Literal polar opposite to the Mk47.
Yes, I really want an AK that takes AR mags. I don't want to have to get a bunch of new mags.
Try the Galil Ace.
Love it!!!💖💖💖👍👊 Thanks James 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👊
In all honesty a proper bolt hold open an AK would be 👍👍
Bolt hold open is a great addition, although it seems like it would interfere with the WBP improved AK safety which has the additional tab.
looks like an ak and an mp5 had a baby, i like it.
It’s called the SIG 556.
Psa did it already and it’s better
WPB is better at making AKs then PSA
@@jonslemp5733 maybe…. People don’t think for themselves and a lot of people developed a negative impression of all American AKs because how bad century use to make them years ago. Times shave change and psa makes great AKs. I don’t know anything about wbp. So time will tell how good they are but the design of psa ar mag conversion is better
@@gsGs-xb6um I have a PSA AR they make great stuff I'm not saying they don't but when in comes to AK WPB makes the better one not saying PSA doesn't make good ones
Jesus Christ just pick up a ar
The German-themed intro for these videos never gets old, and it's a strong candidate for "text message alert" music during Oktoberfest season.
1800 euros. Lololol
Probably the best execution of an ARAK/AK-15 so far
Rather buy a PSA AK
I can just here it from all the jarheads.
"Still not an AR."
"No room for my 50 assessories."
"Why get a 5.56 AK when the AR is still much cheeper."
"Still communist design, not AMERICAN!"
"If it uses an AR mag, just buy an AR."
The ar15 and its consequences
OOOOOH... a F ing AR Mag Well. You COULD HAVE Combined the BEST Attributes of boath. But Nooooo. & the guy stands there.. Acting like HE, Invented a ( Superior varient of a UFO ) OK, Hope you sell all 3 of them.
This is super cool, but why would someone pay more for this than a Galil Ace? The Galil has a top of the class machined receiver with a ton of specialized components: railed top cover and full length railed handguard, ambi safety, the best folding stock mechanizm on the market, left side charging handle and reciprocating dust cover, that also has a true bolt hold open build into it.
This is a stamped AK with a small piece of aluminum bolted on and likely some kind of notch cut into the bolt. I get WBP is a smaller outfit, which is why their prices are a little higher as is. And this takes money and time to design and develop. But if it’s $500-$600 more for just that little adapter, that’s craziness. You’re better off grabbing the standard 5.56, & 3 FB and 4 (10) mags, and save $250-$350.
Next up, a AR-15 that takes standard AK47 rock in magazines, followed by a AK that uses AR-15 drop in triggers and direct impingement lol, because why a AR-15 when you can bastardize a AK lol. Seriously, good on them for pulling it off, course unless you have a AR-15 already and a bunch of AR mags, and this is your first AK, don’t really see a point. I mean especially since I see AK military mags that cost less than AR mags
I just want an AK-101, AK-102, Saiga MK-107 and SR-1 but nooo US Politicians a little upsetty the proxy country they been working on for decades is getting demolished.
Well it's a Stanley not ever got around to making it. But that being said PSA / actually Soviet Arms Corporation owned by PSA made the same exact rifle and did a better job of it. And it's just north of $1,100. With a lifetime unconditional warning