He's dumbed down massively from the get go. He's not as level headed and witty as Tyrion, but one of the most sharp tongued, quick and aggressive characters in the book and with the darkest mind you can find on POV characters. At one point, he even thinks that Joffrey's not his, Cersei was too afraid of people figuring it out, she never let him hold Joffrey as a kid. To him, ''_Joffrey was nothing but a squirt in Cersei's cunt_'' He has quite many amazing lines they discarded.
It was a truly dumb decision. Cat was blinded by the love of her daughters. Was a complete moron though. If they held onto Jaime the red wedding would not have happened. Tywin would never have made such a gambit he knew Jaime left captivity
21:51 "I think Ned Stark loved Robert even better than he ever loved his brother or father or even you my lady. He was never unfaithful to Robert, was he?" Another one of those sneaky lines by GRRM, because, of course assuming that R+L=J, in reality it would've been the other way around. Ned in actual fact stayed true to Catelyn and went against Robert, who wanted all Targaryens dead.
This is my favorite chapter from A Clash of Kings. It was very late in the book and Jaime never even appeared throughout all the 800s pages but he was often talked about by other characters. It was so exciting to finally get to read a dialogue with him and Catelyn, and a perfect kick off to start his amazing arc in A Storm of Swords.
Your whole channel is gold dude. Post more! Can you do the scene where Robb comes back to Riverrun and he does his speech about how hard being a King is? One of my favorite parts of the books
Jaime didn’t think Tywin would do that. Killing aerys was the best thing he could have done. Could he have subdued him without killing him? Possibly, but aerys intended to burn everyone in that city. Jaime slew the pyromancers and saved half a million. He served the kingdom far better that day. He just didn’t tell stark what aerys was doing out of pride
Catelyn was STUPID this was the STUPIDEST thing she ever did. Even worse than kidnapping Tyrion. Catelyn destroyed her house. Yes Robb made some mistakes but nothing that couldn’t be fixed. But Catelyn did the worst.
Robb made many more mistakes. He was to blame. He executed Karstark despite everyone saying not to. Losing half his army. He never listened to his Bannermen. He sent Theon to treat with his father. After Cat told him not to. This cost him Winterfell and seriously weakened the cause. He broke the Frey alliance. He married someone who gave him no advantage in the war. Cat was against this. He never managed or saw the threat Bolton posed. Losing the Frey army and insulting Walder. He was then stupid enough to believe Frey was coming back onside. Cat was wary of the twins. Arrogance and youth killed Robb. He was a terrible king. Cat made errors but Robb brought his demise on himself.
@@ben86jones82He listened to his bannermen on multiple occasions though, and in theory sending Theon was a great idea-Balon Greyjoy was seriously the biggest mongoIoid in Westeros for refusing him (purely out of pride because 'a boy hands me a crown?') and initially Theon basically said as much to his dad; he would've firmly been King of the Iron Islands and Theon would've gotten Casterly Rock bestowed upon him thus cementing it in House Greyjoy (thus increasing their wealth and power and status in tenfold), and even more bewildering is the fact Balon actually thought House Lannister and the crown was going to accept him not only being King of the Islands but the NORTH, like yeah they held the Neck but at some point his reign is inevitably ending with his beheading . . So that's not even so much on Robb, he just underestimated how nonsensically proud and stubborn Balon was, and as for his marriage vows-it's alluded to multiple times that Tywin conspired with House Westerling (which becomes blatant after the war when they're immediately pardoned and rewarded), Robb being given some sort of 'potion' or 'drug' (after being pretty seriously wounded by an arrow too) causing him to bed Jeyne Westerling-and like Ned may possibly have done with Ashara Dayne married her to preserve her honor. Not necessarily sticking up for that but if the 'theory' is true then it's not like he consciously and purposely-without any justification whatsoever like in the show-broke his vows to the Freys. As for trusting the Boltons and Freys, what they did was almost unlike anything ever before seen in Westeros, I mean even extinguishing the Reynes and Tarbeks was more honorable and understandable than the Red Wedding ever will be. They broke guest right and slaughtered them like sheep, basically forced Edmure into a marriage, even Cat thought for sure they'd be safe once Walder Frey offered them bread and salt which is something even CRASTER holds sacred . . there's a good reason in the books virtually everybody outside House Frey and Bolton (and some Karstark) is still wroth as fuck about it and 'the North remembers' lol. Robb should've never been King though, and not because he was 'bad' or ill-suited, but had he immediately declare for Stannis *boom* the war is all but won for them and Stannis doesn't see him as a rebel and usurper.
It was pure stupidity. Cat may give some good counsel but sending a banner man rather then Theon would have been better. Jaime was the most important piece in that war, most of tywins counsel was considered suing for peace after the battle of the whispering wood.
The story would be awful if every character were to make the best decision every time. You people should get over it. Martin decided upon narrating a war by the eyes of a mother instead of a warrior or a king, which was a great decision by him and he did it perfectly
Catt was still in love with Brandon.....it amazes how people don't bring that up more when discussing Rob I mean Rob had just turned 16 and 16 years ago Brandon died.....is Rob ned son or Brandon's I assume Ned's because he's a good military strategist....but he's also good as a swordsman better than ned at least
Rob should have taken up Jamie on his duel, then select Grey Wind as his Champion. I can already hear a Northern drinking song about the golden shit Grey Wind took.
@@bennett420316 Mance was in winterfell when Robet was there he told Jon. he came down the kings road with spear wives acting as washer women and him pretending to be a bard called abel. He came with a bag of silver. The catspaw is found with a bag of silver and wildling culture kills crippled children and people as they see it as the gift of mercy.
Jaime’s dialogue is amazingly crafted
He's dumbed down massively from the get go. He's not as level headed and witty as Tyrion, but one of the most sharp tongued, quick and aggressive characters in the book and with the darkest mind you can find on POV characters.
At one point, he even thinks that Joffrey's not his, Cersei was too afraid of people figuring it out, she never let him hold Joffrey as a kid.
To him, ''_Joffrey was nothing but a squirt in Cersei's cunt_''
He has quite many amazing lines they discarded.
“Hard to simply claim my head fell off”
@@hectorsanchez7880 "Harder to claim that my head simply fell off" *
Jaime is savage with his wit.
Hearing Roy pronouncing Petyr "Puh-tyre" feels like my brain is hitting a speedbump going 30 miles per hour.
Jamie was spitting the most ruthless bars ….. wow
Catelyn took a risk, and found it true. She trusted that honour still lived in Jaime, and set him down a new path
Lol no. She trusted Tyrion. Not Jaime. She trusted Tyrion would return her daughters in exchange for Jaime
She basically trusted Tyrion to honor her good will. That's all, Catelyn is the reason of Starks' dismay
It was a truly dumb decision. Cat was blinded by the love of her daughters. Was a complete moron though. If they held onto Jaime the red wedding would not have happened. Tywin would never have made such a gambit he knew Jaime left captivity
And what did Jamie do. Whole world knows that Arya was under captivity of Boltons.
Still Jamie didn't tried to protect her.
21:51 "I think Ned Stark loved Robert even better than he ever loved his brother or father or even you my lady. He was never unfaithful to Robert, was he?"
Another one of those sneaky lines by GRRM, because, of course assuming that R+L=J, in reality it would've been the other way around.
Ned in actual fact stayed true to Catelyn and went against Robert, who wanted all Targaryens dead.
Dude has the most epic reading voice and the music just kills it
Rip Roy Dotrice. I still listen to the audiobooks to this day
Ned and brans discussion after the beheading of the deserter. Thats a good one to do. Far better than the show version
I like how Roy Dotrice makes every character sound like a really old guy on the verge of dying from the exhaustion caused by speaking
personally i like him expect when does any sex scenes...
Roy Dotrice + Goodbye Brother theme+ dialogue from the books = perfection
This is my favorite chapter from A Clash of Kings. It was very late in the book and Jaime never even appeared throughout all the 800s pages but he was often talked about by other characters. It was so exciting to finally get to read a dialogue with him and Catelyn, and a perfect kick off to start his amazing arc in A Storm of Swords.
iv listened to this like 100 times, so great. wish you would do more readings on iconic scenes
Thank you for uploading! I listen to this every night before I go to sleep. A masterpice! More please❣️
Such a good chapter, the back and forth, inner monologues, Jamie venting/ranting about Aerys’ kingsguard
God the book is so epic. This is incredible.
Your whole channel is gold dude. Post more! Can you do the scene where Robb comes back to Riverrun and he does his speech about how hard being a King is? One of my favorite parts of the books
this channel is awesome
Jamie had some zingers prepared
we will never hear roy dotrice narate winds RIP...
Bro I hope we can even get a winds at this point
Maybe by Iain Glen?
@@jackevans6200that'd be funny given Jorah's current status.
Kind of wish they kept the whole conversation. It was interesting to see Jaime being vile but there was more hidden underneath his demeanor
Catelyn was a loving protective mother, but she was not equipped for war & strategy
She was the worst person to have on your side
She was protective but not really loving
Disagree. The war seemed lost at this point and she was trying to salvage what she could
@Deartháir agus mairtíreach yes but the war was lost and Catelyn was worried Jaime would be murdered in his cell which would have led to Sansa's death
The was was not lost by any means
Dude can you do more of these? I need em to fall asleep and listening to the same ones over and over again sucks
21:15 Tysha?
SPOILER
the kindness he never did was buying Tyrion a prostitute, Tysha. Tyrion loves him for that, even though it turned out so badly.
Yes
More, we want more. Please 🙏
Masterpiece
Roy Dotrice is the goat.
There are no men like me,there is only me.
When he says "I am loved by one, for a kindness I never did." What is he referring to?
The lie he told Tyrion about Tysha.
@@TheMason955 I don't get it. Tyrion didn't love him for that lie.
I think his father think he killed aerys as a Lannister.
@shaananwade7777 that would make a little bit of sense.
@fazediamond5671 that would make no sense.
Tyrion did love him over that, he thought his brother did him a kindness by telling him that tysha was a whore that he hired
thank you for uploading
"PUH-TIRE". Actually had to pause and see if i was still on the right video.
Jaime served him well serving was safe. Just sat on the throne while Elia and her children were butchered.
Jaime didn’t think Tywin would do that. Killing aerys was the best thing he could have done. Could he have subdued him without killing him? Possibly, but aerys intended to burn everyone in that city. Jaime slew the pyromancers and saved half a million. He served the kingdom far better that day. He just didn’t tell stark what aerys was doing out of pride
By what right does the Wolf judges the Lion?!?!
Catelyn was STUPID this was the STUPIDEST thing she ever did. Even worse than kidnapping Tyrion. Catelyn destroyed her house. Yes Robb made some mistakes but nothing that couldn’t be fixed. But Catelyn did the worst.
Robb made many more mistakes. He was to blame. He executed Karstark despite everyone saying not to. Losing half his army. He never listened to his Bannermen. He sent Theon to treat with his father. After Cat told him not to. This cost him Winterfell and seriously weakened the cause. He broke the Frey alliance. He married someone who gave him no advantage in the war. Cat was against this. He never managed or saw the threat Bolton posed. Losing the Frey army and insulting Walder. He was then stupid enough to believe Frey was coming back onside. Cat was wary of the twins. Arrogance and youth killed Robb. He was a terrible king. Cat made errors but Robb brought his demise on himself.
@@ben86jones82He listened to his bannermen on multiple occasions though, and in theory sending Theon was a great idea-Balon Greyjoy was seriously the biggest mongoIoid in Westeros for refusing him (purely out of pride because 'a boy hands me a crown?') and initially Theon basically said as much to his dad; he would've firmly been King of the Iron Islands and Theon would've gotten Casterly Rock bestowed upon him thus cementing it in House Greyjoy (thus increasing their wealth and power and status in tenfold), and even more bewildering is the fact Balon actually thought House Lannister and the crown was going to accept him not only being King of the Islands but the NORTH, like yeah they held the Neck but at some point his reign is inevitably ending with his beheading . . So that's not even so much on Robb, he just underestimated how nonsensically proud and stubborn Balon was, and as for his marriage vows-it's alluded to multiple times that Tywin conspired with House Westerling (which becomes blatant after the war when they're immediately pardoned and rewarded), Robb being given some sort of 'potion' or 'drug' (after being pretty seriously wounded by an arrow too) causing him to bed Jeyne Westerling-and like Ned may possibly have done with Ashara Dayne married her to preserve her honor. Not necessarily sticking up for that but if the 'theory' is true then it's not like he consciously and purposely-without any justification whatsoever like in the show-broke his vows to the Freys.
As for trusting the Boltons and Freys, what they did was almost unlike anything ever before seen in Westeros, I mean even extinguishing the Reynes and Tarbeks was more honorable and understandable than the Red Wedding ever will be. They broke guest right and slaughtered them like sheep, basically forced Edmure into a marriage, even Cat thought for sure they'd be safe once Walder Frey offered them bread and salt which is something even CRASTER holds sacred . . there's a good reason in the books virtually everybody outside House Frey and Bolton (and some Karstark) is still wroth as fuck about it and 'the North remembers' lol.
Robb should've never been King though, and not because he was 'bad' or ill-suited, but had he immediately declare for Stannis *boom* the war is all but won for them and Stannis doesn't see him as a rebel and usurper.
Catelyn and Tywin are actually parallels of each other
It was pure stupidity. Cat may give some good counsel but sending a banner man rather then Theon would have been better. Jaime was the most important piece in that war, most of tywins counsel was considered suing for peace after the battle of the whispering wood.
This is why women are not allowed to make major decisions
Robb should've kept a tighter leash on Catelyn she went behind his back and did too many stupid things
The story would be awful if every character were to make the best decision every time. You people should get over it. Martin decided upon narrating a war by the eyes of a mother instead of a warrior or a king, which was a great decision by him and he did it perfectly
Catt was still in love with Brandon.....it amazes how people don't bring that up more when discussing Rob I mean Rob had just turned 16 and 16 years ago Brandon died.....is Rob ned son or Brandon's I assume Ned's because he's a good military strategist....but he's also good as a swordsman better than ned at least
I just realized you sound like him are you the pyromancer in GOT?
Hahaha Roy Doytroice doesnt upload these
Roy dotrice sadly passed away in 2017
Roy Dotrice, who played the pyromancer in GOT, did indeed do the voice work for the audiobook.
@@the_ultracheese67 F
Who dafuq is “Puh-Tire”??? 😂
You should make an audiobook of all of the books
he literally just downloaded the audiobook.
He should download all of it then
@@Human-zx4rb Do the audiobooks include the music? Genuinely asking, if so I'll be purchasing them soon as my next Audible credit comes in
@@BanesBasement They don’t contain the music, but they are still well worth purchasing.
Outstanding quality of narration.
5:40
Rob should have taken up Jamie on his duel, then select Grey Wind as his Champion. I can already hear a Northern drinking song about the golden shit Grey Wind took.
Jaime would most probably kill Grey Wind if he's armed with a sword and armoured.
Robert sent the catspaw
Littlefinger, not King Robert
@@bennett420316 It was Mance, LF was nowhere near
@Cheese Crumbs Mance , sent it from beyond the wall? By raven?
@@CheeseCrumbs00 no
@@bennett420316 Mance was in winterfell when Robet was there he told Jon. he came down the kings road with spear wives acting as washer women and him pretending to be a bard called abel. He came with a bag of silver.
The catspaw is found with a bag of silver and wildling culture kills crippled children and people as they see it as the gift of mercy.
more readings
She literally cost Robb his life
24 mins and he's not freed at the end, nor was it mentioned lol.
he is free and escaping with brienne and his cousin in the next chapter
I don't think Jamie knows how right is about how white Jon last name is and the cloaks the kingdguard dawn
Biggest L in the series