Les Paul with Robot Tuners UGH !!
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- Les Paul with Robot Tuners UGH !!
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I woulda ripped those tuners off so fast Mark Agnesi would have felt it.
I agree. Rip those out, Put normal or maybe locking tuners in an be done,
For sure, those would drive me crazy.
@@joehatch1602 Talk about a solution looking for a problem, sheesh...
Tune authentic!
I had a 2015 standard with robotuners..... fucking nightmare. Great concept, shit execution. They were so noisy and temperamental. The battery was cumbersome too having to be pulled out often to charge. I don’t miss that guitar in the slightest
The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain. (Captain Montgomery Scott USS Excelsior)
@WannaBeatle Yes, you are correct. Of course his official position was Chief Engineer of the USS Excelsior. Glad at least someone recognized the quote..
@@walterhambrick8705 ". . .Transwarp Robotuner drive available in 3... 2. . . 1. . . . . . . ."
@@BrettValentine Touche !
Every musician ever: You need to train your ears
Robotic Tuners: Ears Schmears
I think the idea was to save time at a gig either re-tuning or swapping guitars. But I agree, they are the spawn of Satan. I have a beautiful Les Paul double cut ruined by them.
I have a Dark Fire and it’s perfect, never missed a beat and always in tune. I used to gig a lot and played in various tunings, it is honestly fantastic.
I have the Robot tuners on all of my guitars. When you string it you pull the string tight, then you wrap it around once, then around once of the top, screw it in place. This should be tight enough to keep the stop bar in place. G,B,E side strings I wrap it around twice on bottom twice on top, hold the string and then put the nut on. Once all the strings are on, then I turn it on and tighten / tune the strings.
In the time it took to change the strings I recorded a hit album, toured the world, got addicted to heroin & cleaned up twice & got a signature model Les Paul from Gibson.
You win!
I was your opening act!
that is hilarious the fact you got cleaned up twice is even funnier lol i would love to tour with your band some day lol congrats on the sig model as well
😂
Color me impressed.
I bought an SG with those darn things, replaced hem with locking Schallers. Much happier.
I did the same, only with grovers.
I did the same only with sperzels
I tried to manual tune an SG and the tuning machine broke. 😡
They say you can manually tune it but when you try it feels like over winding a $5.00 Timex
I like swapping them for klusons but u need a 10mm shaft converter, so be aware of that. Wdmusic sell both. Makes it look quite vintage once done since it covers much less of the headstock
Could you imagine those tuners on a 12 string? I’d go craaaazy 🤣🤣😅🤣🤣
As much as people hate on these things, if you switch tunings a lot, it’s kinda convenient. When it comes time to change strings it is a little bit of a hassle tho
Ironic that this monstrosity has "Traditional" on the truss rod cover.
...and there's one guy in ZZ Top who doesn't have a beard.
...............His name is:
Frank Beard
Even more ironic, I have a 2017 Gibson Les Paul Traditional High Performance. It has the wider neck, adjustable nut, robo tuners (which I left on), push/pull pots with the dip switch and the shaved heal.
Re stringing a Floyd Rose is hard. Gibson robot tuners: hold my beer.
Been watching your channel for years, Dave and learned tons. But I also have a Gibson Les Paul (Studio) with GForce tuners, and they work well. Done many string changes without any issues. Granted, always on my bench, not backstage or in a hotel room. They always tune quickly and properly and amaze most people. If / when if fails, I'll put a good set of Grovers on, but until then, I'll keep them.
As a gigging musician I’m actually very pleased with the gforce tuners. Just get used to it.
Could not agree more, most opinions are from people who have never used them. I have posted on the vid that I have a Dark Fire which is one of the most hated Gibson’s, it has Dusk Tiger electronics and it’s incredible.
Yeah I bet you’re Mr Popular 😂 Plus, nobody is giggling right now captain - apart from in their bedrooms.
@@TheDonosul I don't know, there's a few people giggling at you right now...😏
Thank you sir! I expected as much! I love the idea of them! And you can switch between DADGAD and Eb and Drop D, C, A etc and back to E standard, all on the fly in a loud, dark environment.
And the clincher is... they found a way to do it without changing the aesthetic profile of the guitar from the front. That should keep the classicists happy..you would think!🙄
-:)
There’s nothing worse than being the bass player when a guitarist shows up to rehearsal with a brand new one of these and they didn’t pack a back up.
I dunno, that time they administered 30 lashes, then keelhauled me the full length of the brig HMS Conquest in 1798 was pretty bad. And all for stealing an extra ration of grog. Arrgh. But this is almost as painful.
I have a Dark Fire and it’s perfect, never missed a beat and always in tune. I used to gig a lot and played in various tunings, it is honestly fantastic. Allows you to experiment with different tunings which if most guitar players are honest they don’t retune as it’s a pain. I bounce from concert, delta blues, open E in seconds, my advice is don’t be a sheep or hater, once you find your way around it’s brill. Also the Dark Fire is far easier to use.
Those tuners certainly are more trouble than they're worth.
I've never seen these before. They look like a pain in the ass.
@@crisslastname9417
If they hurt your ass then you are doing something very wrong (and possibly very unhealthy 🤪
Yea, but they're worth their weight in comic relief. LoL
Yeah cause you don’t read instructions
@@dezionlion Tuners don't need instructions. YOU do, though
I was crying when the tuners retuned it after you detuned. Haha!
...and again I'm reminded of why I'm a Strat guy
thw Wilkerson roller nut was not a "great idea" from Fender ......although not as bad as "robo tuners"
@@wmmrock Jeff Beck seems to be happy with his Wilkinson roller nut
Robot Tuners or Poorly placed volume knob... I'm taking the robot tuners, but to each their own.
@@SomeJustice19k why not one of each? (No robo tuners though ) 03 Les Paul Plus in Iced Tea. Thats my moto :)
@@AzathothsAlarmClock The Wilkerson is pain to change strings IMHO. The string travels over one roller and under the next. So getting old strings off is a pain and new ones on is like threading a needle. I replaced mine with an LSR nut and could not be happier. Just my two pennies.
Seeing Dave struggle with this is hilarious, I’ll show in a like for the laughs you’ve given
Good job as always Dave, you know everyone hated these tuners when they came out so they quickly got rid of them and replace them with regular tuners. But I on the other hand left mine on. just something you got to get used to besides one of these days these things are going to Skyrocket in price because everybody got rid of them.mine was left original. remember the 1958 Les Paul Sunburst Les Paul was hated when it first came out and they destroyed them and guess what they are the most expensive ones to get if you could find an original
Low production numbers drive the vintage price, they may around 1500 total Les Paul standards 1958-1960, by the 100th Les Paul Anniversary Gibson was making nearly 700 guitars A DAY! Guessing they made at LEAST 100000 Les Pauls each year since Robo-Tuner days.....Change them tuners any time...you will not have to worry about insuring it for a million, guaranteed.
I have a 2015 LP Classic with G force tuners. They work fine. If you change to a different gauge string you need to recalibrate it. I've been in IT for 10 years. If I've learned anything about end users, they rarely read manuals so this step probably gets overlooked causing tuning issues later. Just my .02 as a consistent user of said tuners going on 4 years now.
@@IamtheFerryMan yes ted I agree I've had absolutely no problem with mine, just learn how to use them that's the key to having them. People always use argument what if it goes out of tune or you break string during a gig. I was a giging musician for quite a while I didn't take just one guitar to a gig I usually two or more with me just use a different guitar it's that simple.
i dont think anyone is going to prefer GFORCE tuners lol maybe a guitar historian but these are a players nightmare
I put these robots on my stratocaster and I am very satisfied.
If you had looked at the assembly instructions you would not have any problems. For the three big strings, when you pass the string over the collar you have to wind it clockwise to avoid the string to relax when tightening the nut, as you can see on the video.
After the first assembly and the adjustments, it is necessary to calibrate the device, which many do not do!
There are two ways to tune, all six strings at the same time, or string by string, if you tune string by string when you have selected the tuning for all six, the robots will certainly go crazy!
So it's no wonder that there are so many bad reviews for these robots if they are installed wrong!
I was glad to see one of these. It’s definitely interesting.
Domo Arogotto Mr Robotto ... I’m not sure how I ended up on your channel but I’m glad I did ... I love your content and commentary
Concept is good. Execution is poor. Longest and most painful string change ever. Keep up the good work Dave!
Why is this a good concept?
@@sub5ound1
What? Because a guitar that tunes itself IS a fantastic concept... it would be really great if it worked.
How is it NOT a good concept?
What he said.⬆️
Call me old-fashioned, but I dislike machines which assume that they are better than me in making mission-critical decisions and take over. Many people got in trouble, personal or professional, because of some very unfortunate autocorrect actions when sending messages to their bosses or love partners...
Tuning in music is not an exact science and many musicians have their preferences.
He didn’t know how to use it. That’s why it was slow.
"I dont know if I am supposed to be doing this.... But Im gonna" lol
I have the robot tuners on my LP Double Cut, and I really like them
The best thing about the 2015 Les Paul NonTraditional is that they were hated so much by musicians right out of the gate. Even better, the brass nut that came with the guitar wore down pretty quickly causing the strings to twang with an annoying metallic sound, and binding the tronicle tuners. With the guitar not tuning properly now and looking at the ugliness of the Les Paul 100 emblem on their head stocks many went up for sale on eBay, so many they couldn’t get rid of them. Others had the electronic tuners removed for standard tuners and settled because they paid so much new. I got this exact cherry-burst Traditional on eBay for $1200 back then. The guitar is beautiful and just needed a checkup from the neck up. The first thing was to contact Gibson for the free titanium nut and replace it, a tiny dab of nut lube on the nut and bridge allows the tuners to work flawlessly as well as a fully charged battery. Changing strings is really easy, you can use the electrics to loosen but replace all strings together and manually snug each one. Then turn on the tuner and strum once to let them tune up. The beauty of the tuner is, is that you can switch to different tunings so quickly. This is a very heavy guitar with no weight relief but sounds beautiful. If this was a set up for a customer, a titanium nut should be installed if the brass one is wearing an lube the contact points. Within a year of purchasing the guitar, I obtained 3 complete tuner sets removed from these guitars with battery’s and chargers to keep as a parts bin on eBay very cheap.
I like the idea of it, I know how lazy I can be. I wonder how bad the reception would have been if it worked great and if it wasn’t made by Gibson.
Use a penny instead of a screwdriver for the locking tuners, kids! You'll notice the slot has a round bottom that matches a penny...helps prevent screwdriver-shaped gouges in the headstock. In other news: a really nice Gibson J45 fell into my lap and it had the robotuners on it.. I tried to like 'em, but after three months I replaced 'em with Grovers. Nice work, Dave!
Those Robot Tuners need an app for your phone. I'm sure Dave would LOVE that.
My goodness! What an ordeal!🎸
That’s a 2015 Dave I have a 2018 Standard HP with these tuners works awesome😜
Good job Dave. I picked up a LP jr 100 w/ the robo tuner on the cheap and the first thing I did was pull the robo.
A solution for a problem that never existed.
Robo tubers are so underrated. Unless your an old head who hates technology or don’t feel like learning something new, I can understand why people won’t give it a shot. But it’s had me actually playing the guitar way more without fiddling with the shit that keeps you from making music.
Yes. because we are required to love and adopt all new techology
This guitar has all the stuff most of us hated. The changed Les Paul logo on the headstock which looked horrible to myself and many others, the robo tuners which were much hated by many and at first was planned to go on all future Gibson's. I myself could never get them to tune accurately and replaced them with with Grovers. This also has the zero fret on which I have no opinion due to never having played a guitar which had one but I do know that for some reason the change made the neck wider at the nut which was also not popular with many people. If all this appeals to you then its a great guitar I guess.
All of those things collectively is the reason I did not buy a 2015 LP. I love my 2016 Standard.
I was like a lot of people and thought it was another bad Gibson idea but I have changed my mind. I bought one the Les Paul Less 2015 guitars last year. The seller I bought it from had removed the G Force tuner and replaced it with a set of Gibson Deluxe tuners. The G Force was included in the case when I bought it so about two months ago I decided to put the G Force back on to see how it works. It goes on very easily. I found it works well. Yes, it's best to replace strings one at a time, but outside of that I don't find any issues. The tuner does a good job of tuning quickly and accurately. What was a bad idea, was Gibson putting them on Les Paul modals in 2015 as a standard, not an option. It's very nice on stage to just be able to tune your guitar or change the guitars tuning to something like a drop D or and open tuning in just a few seconds by pushing a few button. It will also remember your own custom tunings (if you have any). I really like the adjustable nut and would love to have that on a few my other Les Paul guitars. Like anything new, you have to use it a few times to understand how to change the strings and how to use the G Force, then it's just another way of doing things. I have locking Grover tuners on my Epiphone Les Paul Tributes that took a few times to understand but now it's not an issue.
If they functioned just like regular tuners manually at any time as well with an easy kill switch for the automated part, they would be amazing because of the range of different tunings you can customize. For a beginner/intermediate player learning more about different tunings/keys its not a horrible system to play with.
Imagine breaking a string in the middle of a set! Still can't believe Gibson actually thought this was a good idea...
It was only slow because Dave kept pressing the wrong buttons and didn’t know how to use it. It’s as fast as putting a new string on with any other guitar when you know how to use it.
@@thegoodguy44 If it's only just at fast what's the benefit?
They won't redesign any flaws inherent in the instrument, but they'll introduce a gimmick.
On the Dark Fire I can change a string in about 20seconds, done it live loads. All you do is pull the string through the locking tuners with tension then tune, little stretch and tune then your there.
@@thatlinuxguy restringing isn’t the benefit of the robotic tuners. If you listen to the name of the robotic tuners, you’ll quickly find out what they do.
Gibson: "What do you need?"
Guitarists: "Not that bag of shite"
Gibson: "Have an authentic bag of shite"
What were they thinking? Did they even consider if they would last the life of the guitar?
@Granville Friel How original. Have a biscuit.
These 2015 Traditionals have closest thing to a 58 neck outside of a R8. Plus it's solid and has mop inlays.
Ps tell the owner to ask gibson for a titanium nut replacement they should be still giving those for free. The brass ones disintegrate.
Or get a Graphtech tusq nut - they make one which just fits in. I got my Junior at a good price but replaced the tuners with Grovers and about to fit a new P90 and electrics. Apart from that it's great!!
Graphtech Tusq Xl Zero Fret Replacement Nut, PQL-6110-00
Always dispiesd people smashing guitars but would make an exception for this one!
You could always keep the guitar and use those things for target practice.
I'm kinda traditional.
I'd go for a set of the old reliable Grover "butter beans"
..........so, are we ready to play any actual music today?
A friend of mine had one of these monstrosities and he hated it. His never worked consistently plus string changes at a gig was not possible. K.I.S.S. is the way to go. Nice job Dave you have the patience of a saint.
That auto tuning function looks more faff than it’s worth
Best thing to do with robot tuners is replace them with decent tuners, but to each their own.
The hologram of Les might as well be flipping you off with the Robot tuners right there.
So many people hate Robo tuners, but have never actually sat down and tried to figure them out... It's really fast to change strings once you memorize the buttons and understand what inputs the guitar wants. Also, kinda handy to have different tunings ready to go. I guess not everyone has the patience to learn new things.
*dumb things
Beautiful guitar . Great vid Dave hope your well and staying safe Cheers.
Thank you kindly
The Tronical system is amazing. Don't knock it until you try it. This not the "robot guitar" originally manufactured by Gibson.
robot tuners: so painful to watch someone struggle with them.
Well done Dave. Your patience way out did mine. All I got to say is this system went out faster than it came in. POS Have a great day and a beer. Thanks
I have a 2016 Gibson Les Paul CM with Robo tuners and have feared for a year to do string change,,,, now I’m less fearful. Thank you. Robo tuner guitars are now going up in value because rare to be original. Most have been ripped off and replaced with Grovers
I got 4 Robot tuner guitars........ I like them.......the learning curve isn't bad.
As soon as I seen that case, I shuddered. I had one of those, hated the robotics and the nut, ended up trading it in for a fender and went back to my LP classic
Robot tuners... What a good idea, now all we need is a guitar playing robot and a set of plastic ears to listen to the epic's that is composed by them and give them points to let you know if it was worth listening to it?
The Robot probably plays better than you.
Much respect to you Dave, for not whining more than you did. Leaving the more whining pleasure for us viewers :)
I got a "robot" tuner......it works on any guitar, any alternate tunings I want and works perfect every time. His name is Roadie and fits in my pocket.
I like the concept.
Robot tuners: designed by Rube Goldberg. What a hilarious shitshow!
It's the Edsel of the new millennium.
Three steps to fixing robot tuners :
1) Remove robot tuners
2) Fit Grover Rotomstics
3) Toss robot tuners in the trash
Maybe one could sell the robotuners to a gear head, as a "Must have" item.(of course a premium should be applied due to the rarity of them.
If only they had spent those R&D cost trying to design a better headstock joint..
It's called a scarf joint and most guitar makers use them. They are stronger and use less wood.
I wish Gibson would do two things. You’re right about the headstock joint. A scarf joint with a volute and a less steep headstock angle would solve the problems. A wood joint with glue in it is always stronger than the weak thickness of original wood. Break the necks from the factory and make it look nice! Lol. The other thing I’d wish Gibson would offer is a wider variety of solid body paint colors. Gibson’s look like furniture to me with all the wood showing. A mahogany back, plain maple top guitar (for sonic properties) in solid colors would be excellent. I also wish they would use something other than nitrocellulose lacquer. The finishes are too thick and just about every Gibson I’ve seen with that finish has bubbles in it. Gibson isn’t a premium brand, but they sure do charge premium prices! Their quality control sucks.
@@leroyjenkins4811 Gibson isn't a premium brand?
They did not. A german company licensed it to gibson that never paid in full and got sued for 50 million dollars.
@@robbah9939
Yup, Tronical tuners.
Those Gibson Les Paul guitars from that time period, likely had some of the sweetest sounding pickups ever made.. The serial number pattern reveals a 2015, which had the '59 Classic pick ups. If constructed and QC'ed correctly were fantastic. I had a 2015, but the damn tuners put so much pressure on the headstock it broke the headstock. Real sad shit folks. But, the pickups and beauty of that guitar is a keeps, even if the tuners are removed and replaced.
As it's been said many times before, it was a "solution" to a "problem" that didn't exist.
It looks maddening. I think I would just string all six on first, before I turned on the tuners. Then you could let it go nuts tuning them all up in order.
In my opinion, the robo tuner is actually a good idea. They are especially helpful to a new player, to get and keep a guitar in tune. A new player won't need to do string changes or change tunings very often.
The problem is they marketed them wrong. They were made available on expensive Gibsons, not a beginners guitar. Beginners who may need help tuning a guitar dont generally buy a $1500+ Gibson. For an experienced player, they don't do any favors. The experienced player can tune, switch tunings, and change strings faster and easier with traditional tuners.
If robo tuners were installed on Squires, they would have been a huge hit. They would have eliminated a huge source of frustration for new players, who have not developed the ear to easily get in tune. Just could not happen because of the cost added to the price of a guitar.
I agree it would be better for beginner guitars..but also would make them more expensive which would probably turn newcomers off. Also, I think starting with these would be detrimental to your ear training as learning what’s in tune or not is part of the journey.
Had an LP with robos - I sold it.
good for you.....or just change them. maybe have to plug some holes in the peghead, but still better.
@@yobentley7274 Most of the ones for sale on reverb have been replaced
@@yobentley7274 im don't think you even have to plug any holes
I remember seeing Gibson retailers in Australia - and other parts of the the world too - selling package deals of a robo-tuner LP, with the tuners replaced with proper Grovers by the store...so you didn't have to. Allegedly the most common Gibson repair/modification for a few years was replacing the robo-tuners...even more common than fixing a neck break.
I just pulled the RoboTuner from my Les Paul. Swapped in some nice Grovers. Much Better!!
IMHO robot tuners are just excellent thing. Specially newer generations.
Love your Uriah Heep shirt Dave! Great band.
Well I own three tronical tuning machines and love them for alternate tunings
For those too ignorant to understand you got to read the book and push buttons
Go stay with your tuners and quit knocking the machine type
Dave, Mine is in the garbage can.....Replaced with Kluson green tulips and I threw away the brass nut and replaced it with an adjustable bone nut.......
Row, row, robot tune, hear your band mates scream.. Bring your guitar to the gig and now you broke a string.
there is suppose to be tiny adjustment screws for the zero nut that also hold it in place, i have an sg with the same setup and the zero nut has screws in it..
Thanks. I needed a good laugh. I’ll have to go back and watch your earlier encounter with those things.
I take it all back these tuners are amazing.... well for entertainment value anyway I did giggle a lot watching this
Just got a less +. LOVE IT. I have large hands and a bad back. It is PERFECT for me. Of course it doesn’t have the GForce tuners. I guess I should try to find a set. To put in the case. Yeah I don’t know. Great video!
I have same Trad with regular klusons. Other problems to fix though - replace plastic pinging nut with tusq. Gap between neck binding and fretboard. Trapezoid inlay proud of fretboard and loose. 2011 - £1750......I hope Gibson is better now 🌵
7:30 This is a VERY rare Gibson guitar.
Only several thousand of the Leo Baul 100 guitars were ever made.
Hey Dave, I like and subscribe to your channel. This video is really useful. But I have a suggestion;
When you are tuning a string and the tuner jumps to tuning the next string, press the right arrow button and the tuner goes back to the string you're replacing.
In the manual that Gibson provided they tell you to replace the strings one at a time(!) in order to maintain constant string tension (So.... don't ever clean the fingerboard? Gimme a break!)
But.. they tell you to recalibrate the tuner everytime you change strings or intonation. Maybe the owner intonated it before you. Also, I think there are supposed to be two screws holding the nut in place, there are on mine. This would suggest that someone else got to the guitar before you did and made some extra work for you, just my thought.
Despite all the flaws I find this really useful for switching back and forth between open tunings and standard without sucking a lot of time between songs. You're right though, it's always the G string, but at least with the robo-tune that's fixed quickly. I dated a girl in the early 80's and when her G-string slipped, it stopped the whole show....
Thanks for the laugh Dave.
First thing to on my 2014 Signature LP was that G-force. You've earned a beer with that sandwich. Stay safe.
Waiting for the screwdriver to slip off the tuner and dig a hole in the headstock. And they say don't use power tools. 😅✌🎸👍🍻
It could be worse... It could have a Floyd Rose installed?
Hahahaha! and I thought Siri was a nuisance!
I remember that Les Paul 100 logo on the headstock, from maybe 5 years ago? Seemed like Gibson was putting all kinds of strange features on their Les Pauls(robot tuners, etc.) during the last few years of Henry Juszkiewicz's watch.
That plus the large metal nut and the wide flat fretboard and neck were not well-received.
Been waiting on an episode with those
Dave did one episode before, with the same results. He hated them.
You'd think that all you'd have to do is say Alexa tune my guitar, gotta take the laziness to a different level LOL.
I up graded the robot tuners on my LP Jr. I jus put a set of Grovers on it.
wait...am I about to watch "can you fix my knob?"
If it had a robot truss rod and robot intonation to adjust for all the funky tuning stress it'll be under you'd be in trouble Dave. Luckily it's a gooched robot.
Imagine all that automation go apeshit at some point and the guitar exploding...
@@68MalKontent LOL you've got a b movie concept on your hands
What about a baby monitor/cctv type setup. Your client could see what we see here, more or less, safely outside, and give you the yay or nay on the spot! ✌
I own a couple of 2015 Gibson guitars that came with robot tuners. I did give them a chance but I soon fitted both of them with manual Grover tuners and left the robot tuners in the cases just in case someone might want to go back to the original set up in the future.. Those brass nuts were very prone to wear and Gibson were, at one time, supplying a titanium replacement, there are however aftermarket replacements available .
I turn it til it sounds like what I want. I replaced tone and volume knobs on my rig with purple dice. No specific orientation
I love your sense of humor and of course your expertise. Thanks for all your videos!!
Don’t be like that Dave, if the robot hasn’t been gooched it works perfectly but once you strip the gears they’re worthless
GFO this is junk and gone in history
If i had one of those i would send it to a luthier for a new set of strings too
That is the Gibson 100th anniversary gold molded SKB case
Take the robo tuners off and ya got a great guitar. I’ve got a 2015 Honey burst that’s my favorite LP. I took the robot tuners off immediately and replaced them with Gibson tulips. Mine don’t have the brass nut though, don’t know much about that.
If the robo turners actually worked they would be amazing
When I worked as a tech at GC in 2018, there was a parts box in the back with 20 broken or removed G-Force tuners. Luckily a Gotoh set will bolt right on. Dumbest design EVER. Yet those guitars have HUGE wide necks and big frets, pearl markers. Nice.