The MOST COMPLICATED GIBSON EVER! The Robot Madness!
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- Back in 2009 my friend sent me the Gibson Dark Fire Robot Guitar and well...it was a BIG MESS! I haven't tried playing one because of my PTSD, but here I am, giving the Gibson Dark Fire First Run Limited Edition another chance.
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Benny is rapidly becoming one of my favourite TH-camrs
Damn mark, that means a lot! I'm working harder than I ever have for you guys, I film and edit all of these videos myself at this point so its a ton of work! I'm glad you appreciate it! Please help me spread the word
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I do try and share bro and thank you for being a genuinely approachable dude, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say thank you for all the hard work you put into this
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He's a man for the people!
I don't understand how this channel hasn't exploded.
When a guitar is called "Dark Fire" you know it's either gonna kick serious ass or kick your ass - I'd be happy with either lol. The early system was very ambitious, but the G-Force they put in later models works quite well.
I have never tried them. I'm anxious for mine in the mail!
Dude, I've never heard of you nor this type of Gibson LP. I own two LPs but didn't know this Robot thing existed. Great, realistic and funny review! I subscribed and checking out your stuff. Rock on!
Thanks so much for watching dude, welcome to the madness! Have fun going down the bunny hole!
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I love the Chris Farley manifestation!
I could hear him say,
If you buy this guitar to play professionally in a band, your gonna end up LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE FRICKIN RIVER!
Which is still expensive now! 🤔
I swear, you're me, if I had an unlimited supply of money to buy guitars. Love the collection bro!
I wish I had an ulmoted supply to buy guitars. Def not the case
Pretty cool and unique! And definitely looks good especially with the ebony fretboard.
It's quickly becoming the first one I pickup!
I love learning!
You and me both, and I love teaching back what I learn!
This is just as... If not more complicated than a floyd rose.
Def more complicated Alex! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
I'd take the electrics out, and the robot tuners off, then put normal wiring in, and some Gibson tuners on! It would be much better then.
That was my original plan Martin but then my partner behind this said it'd be way cooler if I could get it working. It was quite the to do, but I'm glad I did because when it works it's amazing. It's only a matter of time before it doesn't and when it doesn't I'm doing exactly that!!! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
Hey mate, I really appreciate your videos they are always entertaining and informative! The Dark Fire was one of the first Gibson's that I saw in the flesh and held back in the day. It was beautiful, sounded great and left an impression that maybe ..... one ... day ..... :)
Cheers.
It's truly my pleasure Chris. I work my ass off on these for you, I was editing this one up until about an hour before it posted. It means the world u dig. Please subscribe if u haven't already and help me spread the word!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist already have mate! :)
Oh you fired her up mate I ordered that battery that you wanted from down under here but they didnt fill the order bet they out of them I tried mate!!!! another great Vid!!!
I appreciate u!!! I can't believe I got her to work! I had a whole other video putting her back together. Definitely a killer axe, probably my number one at the moment.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Whoa thats a big statement from you mate!!!! ENJOY...
Super hot looking guitar, but...... if you have to put a forkin' battery in a guitar there is something wrong! BEST GUITAR CHANNEL ON TH-cam! You rock Benny!!
Love ya brother
Bro all electric guitars have batteries
@@DanielMartinez-vx3hs Nary a one of the 20 electrics I own have batteries. Not all....
What a beautiful piece of equipment. God it bothers me to no end though that on some of these robots you cant even manually tune it in the event the mechanism becomes jacked up. That and the fact that you're watching it find itself for over a minute trying to get in tune. Great review. Subbed with pleasure man.
Thanks so much brother. I appreciate it. This journey has been a long one. Have fun going down the rabbit hole of this channel
Nice to see p90s getting some love! Your prs with p90s looks so rad! I forgot they did that!
It is most definitely rad, although I've had a few of those that weren't winners.
Thanks for the laughs this morning.
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Just did.
That's cool AF.
Right? It's quickly become my number 1
@11:40 , was that Gwar -immortal corruptor??
Nope, it was a riff to an old tune I wrote back in 98. Probably sounds similar! I think I actually played a festival with gwar in Worcester that year. Subscribe and join the madness Brian 🙌
I got the same but it's a Chibson does it counts?
Your chibson tunes itself? Hahaha Thanks so much!!! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌🎸🔥
I remember when Henry J. busted that thing out. Every meat eating, maple cap loving mad bastard took exception.
And then we lolz’d and played Telecasters and Schecters. The Gibson was the 5th after the Paul Reed Smith. This is also near the time of the flood. It was as if the Lord Almighty Himself was trying to say to Henry J. “Hey man this is a really bad idea”.
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Stay tuned for this episode. This guitar and I have a very much love/hate relationship!
I remember every self tuning Gibson at the music shops being broken (the display models at least)
That doesn't surprise me in the least lol. Check out the whole episodes at www.theneuroticguitarist.com and subscribe and join the madness 🙌
If it worked for 80 out of 81 shows… Isn’t that pretty reliable? If you bring your amp to 81 shows… Isn’t there a good possibility that a tube will blow during at least one show? Did you take it to get fixed?
No, not at all. Because the way it failed was stupendous. I have had amps work for years. And yeah, it worked for a bit but it also broke 8x. So. No. I wouldn't consider it reliable Noah
Same battery issue with the Variax guitar batteries. They put a 'digital handshake" so it doesnt work with all the other batteries that look the same so when Line 6 just decides to not produce them anymore you are SOL.
Thats a gorgeous guitar though.
The RC car battery I used works perfectly, bo digital handshake, just a weird terminal connection that I had to jump!
that guitar is so fucking awesome!!!
When it works it is! It doesn't work a lot! Thanks for watching dude. Please subscribe and join the madness 🙌
Holy smokes you have a ton of guitars!
Yes, guilty! Thanks for watching, tune into the new episode in 20 minutes about the dark fire, its legit my best yet
im really dont mind gibson robot guitar , i think they should do more weird stuffs , like totally opposite of purest tradition gibson les paul stuffs , if just keep making normal gibson stuffs , then i dont mind at all , because all the tradition like les paul stuffs or modern day reissue , base never stop making, brand new or used everywhere, but weird stuffs like this robot gibson just really interesting, thats why i like 80s gibson , lot of people said that was darkest day of gibson history, that i totally disagree, kind of the best era of gibson to me , maybe i like weird gibson model.
I love how this works when it works. I really do, but the problem is they fall apart. I love the weird 80s gibsons, too, as you can see from my new video, my only fear is just not being able to get her to play right!! I definitely don't need traditional. I think the new gibson mod shop stuff is pretty rad and weird
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist very true for a gigging guitarist like you , the guitar work well and reliable always number one priority , yea gibson mod shop one of great ideas of gibson , put all second stock type of guitar turn to one off guitar , make everyone happy , and the most danger place too for your wallet when you at night and alone and couple drinks ...
@@bukwok I learned long ago not to drink and internet 😅
I don't understand why people flip out over those tuners. Spend $40 and replace em. BFD. It's a hell of a lot better than crying about them every time somebody brings up Gibson Auto Tuners
As a gigging musician, I don't understand how anyone would be ignorant enough to keep them on if they didn't know how to operate them. And I'm betting 95% of people that don't like them don't know how.
Why, would you ever keep them on there if you had that many issues with them? It makes zero logical sense.
Well, unless you're a guitar collector before you're a player. Then you're gonna worry about losing $50 over screw holes 🤣
As I said in the video, I didn't have any issues for 80 gigs...until I did. Gibson couldn't get anyone to endorse them because of their reliability, but as you can see, when it works its pretty sick. And useful.
I wanted to rip out all of the electronics but I was told this would make a better video. You can fix them, but it's not cheap at all. I'm gonna fix mine as long as I can since I am a collector and am not using it to gig at this point, but the sad fact is that it's only a matter of time before it just stops working and there won't be anything u can do about it
I have one, great guitar.
Right? 🙌 subscribe and join the madness biterius
BENNY! Nice Dark Fire. No matter HOW hard Gibson tries, though, the "G" string is still a bit pitchy when tuned "EXACT" (and sometimes the "E" when downtuned). There is something to be said of having the manual option for the compromise tuning neccesary, fur sure. Also, do me a favor...NEVER reach in a tube head with a soldering iron to "fix" it please...I like you too much...🤣
Haha, I know I know! I've done some pretty dumb ass shit in my day so I have a huge list of DONT DO THAT from experience. Sunsfribe ans join the madness quib!!! 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I subscribed the minute I saw the 1st video, are you kidding?...YOU RAWK, Benny.
Interesting like it
It calls to me. In particular that p90. There's something about the 50s huge neck with the satin finish, ebony, and medium jumbo frets. It's just sick how good it plays. Let's just hope the electronics last more than a year
Not a fan of the electronics tuners. But I'm a fan of this guitar
Dude, can u hear the ptsd in my voice about it??? It's only a matter of when they're gonna die!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist yeah man I hear it. I feel for ya!
Flowerpot and the back of this looks amazing.
Inlays might be a hard sell for some...!
I never understood the black on black. They did it with the blood moon, too. Makes no sense to me. Would have looked amazing with big block mop inlays custom styles.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist both should have had celluloid Tortoise Shell inlays...or something red. I know acrylic Mother Of Toiletseat can be dyed red. Carbon fiber is BS to work with...go figure.
Sorta surprised it didn't also have a Firewire port.
It does on the breakout junction box it came with hahaha! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌
I have a first run edition and I didnt play mine for a solid 10 years because of how annoying the robotics were. I stripped the robotic shit out and now its my dream guitar! One of the most beautiful guitars ever made and my GOD the feel!
I have a video dropping on it this Saturday! That's definitely my conclusion. I love the 490/498 and it's an amazing guitar. The tuners are a bummer but I'll keep them stock just as a collector, but I don't have to like it. The dark fire tunes 10x faster, but let's be real, robot tuners are for the birds.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Mine must be different tuners cuz they work like traditional locking tuners and can be turned both ways so i didnt even have the switch them out just removed the strip that was behind them.
@@Dethtognomes are they still robo tuners or just straight up locking tuners?
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist They're still robo tuners but can be hand tuned as well. Can't use one of those mechanical tuners because they're too aggressive but I use to hand tune it all the time when I still had all the electronics hooked up and it never caused an issue.
@@Dethtognomes are they super super stiff?
I offer FREE inspections of all Gibson Dark Fires. All you have to do is ship it me, and I'll even let you pay for the shipping, that way you don't feel like you're taking advantage of my generosity. Deets incoming.
Haha Anthony, that's my scam!!!! Subscribe and join the madness, my friend 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist LMAO subbed right after commenting my friend! Killer channel ;-) \m/
That guitar is beautiful man. It does look like something a guitarist from the Empire would play though. The might hav e written the imperial March on that badboy.
I gotta say that I remember now why it was my number one for so long!
I still have mine with a dead battery. Any chance Steve is East Coast? Would be nice to be able to give it to someone who has worked on them before. Last time I tried to take it for service it was handed back to me with a "sorry we don't know wtf to do" and broken string 😂
Steve Morrill Guitar Repair in Boxboro. You need a 7.4 volt RC Car battery. Check the impedence on the tronical battery and try to get as close as you can or a little over, not under. Then its just a matter of splicing it onto the lead that was the tronical battery, BOOM!
The Peavey AT200 was early DSP on a guitar - it was autotune, literally, early Antares design.
So, you can play the guitar and it's fully out of tune but it sounds great somehow when it's plugged in.
Change tunings in a millisecond lol but it's just an illusion ha ha ha sike
I've heard about it. That's wild but I don't even wanna know about it hahaha. Thanks for watching Russell, subscribe and join the madness 🙌
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I've been subbed for a while man, your content is pretty much in my wheelhouse - I learned long ago that if I was going to have anything above my pay grade it was going to be instruments that need a home and some TLC. Everything I have has got a story whether I know what that story is or not.
It looks great! But I don't think I could live with the robot tuner..
It's only a matter of when they're gonna die, but I gotta tell ya, when it works they're amazing. It's a ticking time bomb. Eventually I'll be forced to put normal tuners on her, which is still totally fine but this is #18/1000 so I don't wanna shit the value
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Oh wow I missed the limited edition part. No wonder you left it stock. I guess enjoy it while it lasts haha. It's a music producer's Les Paul
Benny, I got a Gibson LP 50s goldtop. It has Burstbuckers (1 & 2). Like you said here, they're "OK," but I know I definitely can do better. I heard you mention thr 57's and I think I've heard you say, in an older video, that the 490R & T were like your favorite stock Gibson pickups (I could be wrong). Anyway, you being a Gibson aficionado, what set of pickups would you suggest to put in this puppy? I wanna keep it in PAF territory. I got plenty of other guitars with hot as hell pickups in them. I just need a good set of PAF humbuckers, with the nickel covers. Hit me. Thanks in advance! Cheer. 🍻
You cannot go wrong with the 57/57+ if you're staying gibson. 490/498 are also awesome and I swear by them. Those are my choices if you're keeping it in the Gibson family
@TheNeuroticGuitarist so you're not talking about the 57 "classics" set? You mentioned the 57+, which is a supped up bridge pickup, if I'm not mistaken. For thr 57's what exactly are you saying should go in the neck and bridge? And for the 490 & 498, which goes in the bridge and which in the neck because you're not talking a straight pair of 490's, right? And you're not talking the straight 57 "classic" set? Sorry to be so specific. I'm a Boston guy, though. Do me a solid, buddy. Plz. Thx.🤘👍✌️
@Boston Whofan the straight 57s set is great, the only difference with the 57+ is that it's slightly hotter which I dig, more like a slightly hotter paf. The 490 goes in the neck and the 498 goes in the bridge. But I'm sure it'd be interesting to hear those reversed
@TheNeuroticGuitarist ok for 70s classic arena rock (Aerosmith, ACDC, Zep, The Who, Queen, Skynyrd, Joe Walsh, etc) would you go w the straight set of 57 classics? Or still add the 57+ in the bridge?
(Side note: what about the Seymour duncan antiquity set for that 70s rock sound?)
I still eventually wanna grab the 490/498 set, but I think I got enough sick guitars (nothing like you got) loaded with pups to cover that "slightly hotter" PAF sound. I got something for everything. Seymour D's of many forms, P-90s, oldschool Schecter SuperRock's, new hot a fuck MojoTones, EMGs, classic Fender chimey SRV-Jimi-esq single coils. I just wanna make this LP a 70s classic arena rock machine.
Ya know your video qaulity and audio quality is really nice.
Thanks man, I shot and edited this all myself and I'm still learning the whole editing thing. Color correction, etc. So I super appreciate that because I'm editing right now. Please subscribe and join the madness JJ 😜
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist hell i thought i did subsribe. well now i am! haha
That would break on me the first day I had it lol.
Haha, I've had a bunch of issues with the reliability of the hardware so I'm w u, but when it works it's fantastic! When it does!
That guitar has a great look. They should build one without the robot.
Yeah no shit!!! I really wanted to rip out all of the electronics when it wasn't working but I'm glad I got to work for the video.
Player: bends G string...
Guitar: Can't compute: error9472 self destruct in 3,2,1....
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I dont need robo tuners, i need a 3 and 3 tilt headstock that just actually holds tune in the first place. 😂Thank God for Fender Strats with 2 string trees.
Im with ya John! Subscribe and join the madness!
Guitar is beautiful but those tuners bro….crazy
Thanks Art!
Half a millimeter to big, story of my life.
Haha that's what SHE said!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I wish, 🤣
All Gibson guitarists should learn how to solder
Haha. Makes sense, subscribe and join the madness tomi
It's for lawyers who decide to play guitar.
Why?
Best wishes, Mr. Neurotic. I watched it. And still wonder how a person could use a pricey guitar like that and still make enough money at the gig after expenses to eat.
I won't bug you anymore. I just feel like the guitar selling world does a disservice to folks by not also reminding folks that they could play a 150$ axe at a gig and actually make enough money gigging that they wouldn't have to have multiple side jobs to pay the rent.
Plus there is a fantastic feeling one gets when the audience sees that the guitarist is playing an affordable guitar and it is doing the job.
I won't post any more comments. I seem to upset you. But playing a 3000$ guitar at a gig that pays 150$ per man just seems like it forces a guy to have some type of day job.
I appreciate you taking the time rusty. My channel is never about the price of a guitar specifically other than comparison or explaining value. First and foremost, where 150 may have got you a playable guitar a decade ago, you can't even find instruments that are trustworthy for that pricepoint anymore. Maybe 300-400, maybe. I just explain guitars, tone, science, it's not about can I find the best value to get something done. It's about sharing about a specific instrument whether it's 10k or 1k or 500. You're not bugging me, I appreciate your perspective. I also appreciate that you took the time after a disagreement to educate yourself and even if we still have a differing opinion you now know where I'm coming from. BTW, the dark fire stopped working again so I'm gonna take those tuners off. The irony.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I am gigging and recording on a 89$ Grote strat bought off Amazon with a 33$ alnico pickup/ pickgard replacement and a 175$ Les Paul thing built by IYV in Vietnam. ...I love playing it around folks with pricey axes.
I try to encourage young players to learn skills that will allow them to be able to play full time rather than having to resort to a day job or sideline income because those things can kill their ability to tour which is essential to networking and getting more touring/session gigs.
And I think that I have become a bit mean because on stage I kinda like to purposely kick ass when there is some guy with a pricey guitar.
Our back and forth on these comments has made me realize I have gotten a bit jaded and mean spirited about it.
You have helped me see that I ought to be more humble and nicer. Thank you.
Btw...IYV builds that same guitar for ESP and it is around 650$, They build the same model for Mitchell and it is 199$( refurbished) at Musicians Friend and they sell the same model with their IYV logo for 175$.
It is a fantastic L.P. for a touring guitarist.
They also build that same guitar for Thoman with a Harley Benton logo. They all have nice Alnico pickups already in 'em.
to this day, i have no idea why the automatic tuner was hated.
I can tell you. They break! I just got my robot guitar in the mail, the blue one, battery was dead. Bought a new battery, every string worked but the B. I have 100 year old gibsons that still work! When it works great, but it's not a matter of will they die, it's when they die. That's why. Subscribe and join the madness
@@TheNeuroticGuitaristi am already, if i could sub twice i would.
@@DEZZA12 dude, you rock!!! Keep being a part of what I do!!!
Holy shit, man! Lay off the Tina, bro!
The fact that you called Crystal meth "tina" tells me YOU should lay off the Tina, bro!
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I'm not the one raving like a tweaking maniac online. Sheesh, if you're gonna play a character online except some jokes. 🤷
@@TheNeuroticGuitaristBTW if you live where I live you don't need to use drugs to know what they're called. It's a huge epidemic and I work at a shelter specifically for addicts and alcoholics. The word Tina isnt exactly a big secret among users.
Robo tuners- worst idea ever!!!!!!!!
You should check out my old videos about them! Thanks so much!!! Subscribe and join the madness 🙌🎸🔥
Is it possible that the electronics are acting fucky due to the milliamps being not exactly matched from the original battery to the replacement?
That'd be my guess because that would absolutely cause problems, little fuckyness but not necessarily outright catastrophic failure..
It's worth considering at least.
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The impedence has been matched closely and has no effect on the electronics and every effect on how efficiently and quickly it maintains a charge. I have now changed the battery twice and created a new connection to the PC board. Not to pat myself on the back, but tronical, the company that still manufactures this stuff only offers a completely different battery that requires you messing w the control cavity and charging the battery outside of the guitar.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist Ok well I'm inclined to defer to your knowledge on this one since you're working with empirical evidence.. That's cool af that you got it worked out tho, because I imagine there's some ppl who might be struggling with it still and they can find your video as a resource for sourcing the battery you found, possibly.. Or hopefully.
@88_TROUBLE_88 for sure. It's been trial and error. The first battery charged once and then I must have run it down too low and it wasn't able to charge back up, I think partly because of how small the connection is to the pc board but I'm no expert. I essentially made that connection and jumped it to a female head that fits most drone or rc car batteries. Now if it decides not to charge back up through the jack I can just order something of Amazon. I'm gonna be making a follow up video to this soon.
@@TheNeuroticGuitarist I'm looking forward to that - there's very little content available featuring this model, or it's cousin the Dusk Tiger or whatever it's called.. Pretty sure it's Dusk Tiger and I wanna say there's one more model following this design of the Dark Fire and the Dusk Tiger.. You know what I'm referring to? Is it just these 2 or is there one more that I'm remembering correctly?
Gibson in the last 20 years seems to have made poorer decisions than ever before, had more QC issues then ever before, and made the silliest guitars they've ever made. That said, I probably wouldn't purchase a Gibson product under 20 years old, and wouldn't trust them to fix ANY product given the fact that they would be so bold as to refuse fixing their fuck ups. Granted maybe it was a simple issue with the one tuner going buckwild and only tuning down, but being the company who designed (or outsourced) these parts, they should step up to the plate.
I've played plenty of their guitars in local stores, but Gibson will NEVER be seeing any of my money
This is 2008 and from a completely different time and leadership than what's going on now. It's completely your choice not to purchase gibson products, makes not one bit of difference to me.
It doesn't sound like a Paul. Sounds like a cheap guitar...
I disagree! I absolutely love how it sounds. There's also nothing cheap about this guitar. Whether you love or hate the robot element, it's essentially a very high end standard with an ebony fretboard and f5 headstock inlay. It has a hand wound burstbucker 3 and a p90 in it. That's about as les paul as you get!
@TheNeuroticGuitarist Yeah, I know the specs of the guitar. You don't need to repeat. My comment was on the sound and it remains. That guitar just does not sound like a traditional les paul.
but man RIP the string when its go wrong 🫡
Yeah, it can def happen! Thanks for watching, subscribe and join the madness 🙌