It is ironic that Sidious is the pinnacle of the Rule of Two he believed that he was irreplaceable to the Order of the Sith, but it was his fear of being replaced that made it impossible for him to train a successor.
Everything about star wars when it was first around till before Disney was built around irony. Another example is the fact the dark side users and sith specifically always wanted immortality, yet the only way to gain that was through absolute study of the light side
@@daltonfeathers8267 Well if we include non canon sources like Old Republic "Darth Viciate" was like an immortal emperor, he reached somewhat immortality through sith alchemy and such. But yeah I agree, the irony is uncanny.
Even more ironic, is that in the Plagueis novel, Plagueis had discovered how to manipulate midichlorians to reverse aging all together. He intended to share this knowledge with Sidious so they could rule as partners and keep each other alive. Palpatine kills Plagueis before he ever gets to tell the former.
@@daltonfeathers8267 In the mandalorian Luke wants to convince Grogu to join the peaceful Jedi order instead of the war hungry Mandalorians by making him chose the sword over the armor. That is pretty ironic to me.
Well, Palpatine has only himself to blame for all his apprentices being weak. He had no intention of being overthrown and jealously witheld vital Sith teachings and Force techniques, not to mention he always looked for opportunities to replace them.
He only wanted to use his fillings against Jedi. Think, If he cares for Anakin he would order Dooku to do not cut Skylwaker’s limba. Only force lighting, force chocke to only lost consciousness. Humilieted to Padme and that he is weak and how he suposted protect his wife Padme Amidala so he couldn’t save his mother. Dooku would said only one thing to Anakin that the slave from Tatoine was a shame to his father so he didn’t stay with Anakin. We know that Skylwaker was creation of the force but Anakin didn’t knew that. Dooku would told him to use a force, not lightsaber. Maybe Fooku could somehow teach Anakin some Dark side force abilities. After Darth Vader in flesh and burned head with his iconic mask could make red force lighting and combined it with other force moves such force repulse, force push, lightsaber combat, he would be a Emperor of the Siths, Sidious could be a senator that isn’t overuses Dark side but focuses on manipulation to a galaxy. The wife of Darth Vader at the end of the action while he kills Luke and Leia would be a Abeloth, beauty but her skin greish white, with red eyes. And Starkiller clones such of Siths from Tatooine, Hoth, Feliucia, Empiricial I mean all Sith Starkler versions as Vader’s generals and the Grand General Dark Apprentice Vader’s Executor would have turrents that shooting force lighting bolts: blue (shut down ship engines) , violet ( blow up the ship), red ( only kills and consume force from the ship’s crev.
@@detroitmade6 More like he had no choice. Anakin was fated by prophecy, by The Force, to be destroyed (or whoever was the reigning Sith master) by Anakin. So Palpatine figured out if he was going to go out anyway, he might as well do it by making the Chosen One a Sith. At best voiding the prophecy, at worst going out giving the middle finger to the Light Side.
I remember that after the mission against the Black Sun Darth Sidious was dissatisfied that Alexyn Garin, the leader of the Black Sun, was able to inflict a wound on Maul's hand. Sidious astutely deduced that Maul was overconfident and underestimated the ability of Garin, who was slightly force-sensitive, which caused the injury. Sidious warned his apprentice that despite Maul's power he wasn't invencible and should not understimate his enemies.
@vitorpereira9515 It was one of his defining characteristics, unfortunately. He dropped his guard with Garin after slaughtering a whole group of badasses and never learned his lesson. Obi-Wan, Kanan Jarrus and Ahsoka all took advantage of this.
Sidious not taking Talzin as his apprentice shows how he is not adhering to the Rule of Two. If Darth Bane was still alive, he might recruit and train Talzin in a heartbeat.
"But it has long been said: _oft evil will shall evil mar."_ - p. 221 of _The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers_ Seems like one of Palpatine's, or really all of the Sith's, biggest flaws: letting their own fear of betrayal make them betray their own allies first, and so constantly get in their own way.
@@aliastheabnormalTo make sure that your trainee can't be as good as you are until you screw up mightily and die stupidly? Because that's what not passing down all your knowledge and making a good apprentice yields. That's what the Rule of Two does, as no Sith wants their apprentice to be better than they are. The Sith Rule of Two should only ensure the most incompetent foes for the Jedi, just because the Sith are selfish by nature, and never teach everything they know.
@@willdavis3802 Bane is just that lucky. He could have died to the crab armor or to Lord Hoth if he actually cared to listen to spoony bard alien Jedi.
Sidious kind of hamstrung all of his apprentices because he didn't want them growing too strong, Maul got rather specific training to serve a certain purpose. Dooku's dark side training was super half-assed cause Palps didn't want a mere place-holder learning too much and getting too strong, and Vader he stuck in a sub-par suit with sub-par cybernetics purposely designed to be weak to force lightning. As much as he believed in the rule of two, he was so averse to ever being surpassed by his apprentices that he made sure it'd never happen.
As much as they tout Palpatine as "the culmination of Sith teachings" and "the greatest of Sith Lords" this would be the norm. The old republic Sith trainees should be able to mop the floor with Palpatine without breaking a sweat, as he, and all within the Rule of Two era never passed down everything to the student, as the Jedi did. Think of all the Masters holding things back from their apprentices, over and over so they wouldnt be usurped, across an eon. Hundreds of Masters not passing down everything to their students, lesser knowledge every generation. Palpatine was the special kid in the corner with barely a hint of training compared to when Sith had actual schools on the Dark Side...
Calling the dude who survived being cut in half, losing and regaining his mind. Then to assemble the most dangerous crime syndicate to invade mandalore. Only to later rule Mandalore just as a way to get back at Kenobi… calling that dude weak is crazy.
@@sephikong7880Well, the weatherman is Horribly allergic to good stories that make money. Its all Didnt Earn It main characters with no character growth now.
This wasn't entirely Sidious's fault. To fully train Maul as an equal while Plagueis was alive (I'm going off Legends here). Would have caused the two Sith to have a confrontation detrimental to The Plan. The real loss, in Legends and Canon, was Maul's innate abilities meant he could have rediscovered the secrets of Sith Sorcery. The last Sith Sorceress had been Darth Zannah. And even though Sith Lord could use lesser magiks. The true power was unattainable unless you had the talent for it. Later, Palpatine meant to recreate these abilities using Anakin's kinship with the Force. But stuff happened.
Full potential maul would be like sidious in the sense of being a master with the blade but you dont want him to fall onto his force abilities if you fighting otherwise youd loose in a second
Maul could already fight sidious to a draw with a saber as in clone wars. Sidious resorted to using the force to end the fight. Not bc maul was so good, but bc he had sparred for decades against his master. He knew his master and his tendencies, style, and his subtle idiosyncrasies.
A flaw in the video is that Sidious' note in Malgus' writing was in Legends/OG Canon, where Maul was more trained to be an assassin/warrior than a true Sith Apprentice. A good video, but there was a blending of Disney and OG Canon that makes the video contradict parts of itself.
This is so cool to see more of mauls personality I always thought that he doesn't have much personality but it seems that he has some secret personality locked away
I'm impressed to know that Palpatine was capable critical analysis of his style and training; he was quick to reject Luke's assertions on the Death Star, yet here he is in reflection. I'd have liked to see Maul's storyline bump into another Sith Lord in the Shadows to have trained him further, and or for Maul to have a family - the offspring of two truly powerful force beings, to be a rival to Vader and maybe Luke.. Maul's arc was cut short needlessly.
Sideous underestimates alot i noticed.. was wrong about Yoda, wrong about Anakin/Vader in the end, an also about Kenobi, and he DEFINITELY was wrong about Maul as when he was cut loose... when Maul returned he had learned in much the same way Vader had.. an he set about making those that'd slighted him or he felt had suffer. ESPECIALLY Kenobi. An Maul mustve been strong enough an did a bit more then 1 surprising things right to demonstrate to Palpatine he better handle him PERSONALLY instead of any random other lacky that may prove not up to task
Palpatine was ruled by FEAR! Shows you what the dark side is all about. Yin and yang.. positive and negative. He was destined for it though, he was a true sociopath, that happened to be force sensitive.
In Canon Maul had he not been a failure on Naboo would of never been replaced as a apprentice with Dooku according to sources within Canon. 1. Sidious considered Maul a loss while he saw Dooku as a proton torpedo so he saw more potential in Maul before his beating on Theed that is then he ever saw in Tyranus as far as force potential goes and this was in a Canon Darth Vader Comic. 2. In The Son Of Dathomir Comic which is also Canon it was heavily implied that Mauls potential was above Talzins own and debatebly even Sidious own which was the main but not only reason Sidious ditched having Talzin as his apprentice for Maul that and Maul was still a pre teen so easier to manipulate and mold then his Mother was so yeah. 3. One of the writers said that Maul was supposed to serve in Dookus role in terms of power, rank, and skill at some point but didnt because Obi Wan ruined that for him. 4. Maul said to Savage how The Clone Wars started without him and how he was meant for so much more but was robbed of that destiny because of Kenobi yeah.
I would love a Star Wars infinities story where the Jedi have come to stand for stagnation, stasis and domineering control while the Sith's chaos came to embody freedom and growth.
This makes me wonder. What would have happened. If Anakin had actually been able, Too be successfully captured by Maul. And Maul had reported back. That he had failed. In order. Too take Anakin for himself. And train him. I am sure if the two had come to power. Under the rule of Two. Sidious' days would have been vary limited.
There are very few villains I can think of like Palpatine. His ambition, ruthlessness, power and intractability put him more on the level of demon than any human. Almost a force of nature. With this type of character there's a very thin line that separates the GOAT and the farcical. The fact that we know so much about him that he doesn't have that "mysteriousness"
Palpatine was too ambitious for his own good. He ended up sacrificing too much at every step to obtain the empire. When he himself had more to learn. Since he was never a capable teacher.
Could you comment that in Legends Sidious saw Quinlan Vos as an apprentice, and in Canon, Dooku wanted to overthrow Sidious with Quinlan in Dark Disciple. Would make for a great live action movie IMO
I feel Maul would have had a more troubled path in the last three movies. Given Luke having brought back Anakin into the light, he might have brought Maul to Dathomir and have him abandon the sith way and embrace the Dathomirian path. Allowing him to rebuild what the empire destroyed. furthering the ties between Dathomir and the new Jedi order. Allowing true balance, dark and light allied to build the galaxy in a way the sith never could. And as experience as a sith assassin, Maul would be able to instruct jedi exactly how the sith would recruit and what lies would be made. After all, in legends there was a Dathomirian Jedi that built a jedi temple of her own on Dathomir.
Sidious in the grand scheme of things was at the same time one of the best and worst Sith to ever exist. He was able to bring the Jedi to near extinction but at the same time was a complete failure as a master and a ruler. As a master he wasted the potential of his apprentices because he didn't want to be overthrown. As a ruler he failed to creat an empire that could stand the test of time. A thousand years of Bane's plan to destroy thr Jedi was ultimately destroyed by the Jedi in less than 20 years of rule.
His own lust for power led him to kill Plagueis before he'd completed his experiments with the midichlorians. If he could have swallowed his pride for a little longer he MAY have been able to find the true immortality that he so craved.
Well Sidious focused to much on Mauls Lightsaber skills, but he still showed amazing skills in the force. Doing that Episode with Hondo, he threw an entire ship of a cliff, something we have rarely seen one do. Even Yoda quite needet some time and Focus to free lukes X-Wing. Thats always how i viewed Maul. He isn't as strong as Yoda, but in fear or anger he sometimes showed abilitys coming really close to Yoda or Palpatine, even fighting toe to toe with Palpatine. From all of Palpatines Apprentices, he was the only one to really understand the dark side for what it is, the only one to really use his hate.
I will always say that I don’t really care for Darth Maul to be the villain of the sequels given how he was set up in the clone wars, and in the prequel to me, it doesn’t make sense that he goes from being primarily Obi-Wan villain to Luke and the New Republic‘s villain. This is strictly just going through material that George had his hand in. to me it seems like a very lofty goal to set up Maul as the big bad. I will say it I really wish that they would have done something new in the sequels and not just rehash both old plots from previous movies, but also the legends Palpatine clone plot. don’t get me wrong. I do love seeing legend stuff make its way into Cannon again, but I feel like it would’ve been nice to take a new route the sequels rather than the route we took or the route that George intended to take
Too bad. I would have liked to have seen that nine-part movie series of Darth maul being the final villain that would have actually been more awesomer than what we actually ended up with
i was always under the impression that maul was never an actual apprentice, i thought dooku was his apprentice and maul was his assassin, i thought he only introduced him in the phantom menace as his apprentice to make it "obvious" that they are the two and dooku had nothing to do with them so he didn't tarnish his political reputation to have people on both sides of the war.
Palpatine made it all about him. Never realised that in order for the sith to conquer and rule they had to constantly be growing stronger and stronger. The sith stagnated on palpatine. Snuffing out all resistance and rebellions. Unfortunately we know how it ended, the rebellions finally cought up to him. If he wouldn’t cling to the power and instead let sith power and the rule of two flow true. The sith would be unstoppable. His ego set the empire up for failure.
Honestly, I think a Sith warlock mall would have been very fascinating I truly find his death on tattooing distasteful for someone as cunning, ruthless and tenacious as Darth Maul the character had so much potential, but Star Wars rebels disagreed. If only Darth Maul was allowed to become something close to the threat, he was in legends or even more. Then again could always justify another return of Darth Maul thanks to night sister magic mix in with some sort of mystical relic of the ancient Sith or The Son or even Darth Revan or Darth Nox 🤔
Head canon, Maul rose like Darth Sion a Sith wight. Spook of understanding the Force and all the wonders there is to witness of it. Bids Kenobi farewell and wanders out into the desert. Later Maul shows up during " Shadows of the Empire " when Luke crafts his green saber. The Sith home world started with family loyalty, the Night sisters and brothers are of the darkside yet they still have family bonds. Maul's brother & mother never gave up on him, they are now one with the Force and he is one with them.
This is absolutely Paplatine's fault. He took no interest in Maul's training. He should have train him more. Anakin was true apprentice. It would have been fantastic if we got Maul as final villain! That would be great story! May the Force be with you too. See you in next holocron in a few secs :)
I think IF Maul was trained the right way as a Sith and with Nightsister magic he could have been more powerful the Palpatine and maybe give full power Anakin serious run for his money. Maul would still be a warrior do his more Nightbrother blood but not limited as Malgus or others, even Vader, with mysteries of the darkside and magic but he would view them more as a refined weapon then it being the Sith's ways.
Ironic that Palpatine failed Maul as a Sith just like the Brotherhood of Darkness failed Darth Bane and themselves by not truily studying the darkside. Only differnce between Palpatine and the Brotherhood of Darkness is Palpatine should have known better with the teachings of Bane
Honestly the more I learn, the more it seems like Sidious was probably the absolute WORST teacher in all of Star Wars. Seriously is there ANYONE he actually tried to train correctly?😂
I think Maul should have been Snoke because i think Maul would have enhanced the story better than having Palpatine and even Snoke and maul being a master wouldn’t have made since because of how close Ezra was his apprentice.
I really dislike that writer of that comic who referred to Dooku as a "torpedo". It shows a total lack of understanding of his character and worth. Considering how long Dooku was working with Palpatine it certainly doesn't make sense, unless it was a particularly slow-moving missile. I was surprised that Stupendous Wave didn't even contest it, given the prior love that this channel has fostered upon Dooku, to a certain degree. Dooku's political abilities and charmisma made him far more vital in the end for the domination of the Sith. There is no way that Maul could have contributed the wealth or connections that Dooku had, nor could he have served as the face of the Separatists. Meanwhile, in the now non-canon novel, Darth Plagueis, Dooku was considered worthy enough as a replacement for Sidious should things have turned awry. The disrespect towards Darth Tyranus really is unwarranted, but he'll never really get his dues, unfortunately. An angry bulldog is more appealing than an elegant and powerful swordsman, it seems. It would be good if there could be greater co-ordination with Star Wars writers so that their favouritism and personal biases wouldn't seep in to such an extent.
I never understood why sith apprentices/padawans couldnt just level up their power/abilities by self training. I get that they probably wont get as far, or as powerful, but come on....if you teach someone the basics of something, anything, then they can keep practicing said thing and soon become a master at it. Think of anything where this isnt true.... They should be able to become a partial master, thats competent enough to be able to put up quite the fight against a fullly skilled master whos been doing it for decades.
Many still think Maul is on the upper end of Sith Lords, outclassing the likes of Malgus, Bane and even Revan. Meanwhile Maul is getting shot up by Space Pirates, fails to beat Obi-wan in a 2v1 and takes the L in a mostly fare fight against Asoka at the end of the clone wars. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Obi-wan, Asoka or the space pirates are weak. But they are not comparable to a grand master/ high Sith Lord level like Revan, Bane and Malgas are clearly at. Not to mention that Maul lost both his legs and a great deal of his midichlorians which is giving this already sad Sith at a Large handicap.
The entire rule of two system is idiotic nonsense. Every single Sith master would have gotten to that position by killing his own master, which means that he would be well aware of the fact that any apprentice taken would try to overthrow him later. Sith masters do not want to get overthrown though, so obviously they would never teach everything they know to their apprentices, and even if they tried to then sometimes apprentices would kill them before they could finish teaching it all. The Sith would have gotten weaker with each generation if Star Wars actually followed logic, hell from Plagues to Palpatine there was already a considerable loss of knowledge, and that was only one generation. Also if any logic applied, at some point both master and student would have died together, either due to random circumstances like accidents, or because they simply killed each other in battle.
It is ironic that Sidious is the pinnacle of the Rule of Two he believed that he was irreplaceable to the Order of the Sith, but it was his fear of being replaced that made it impossible for him to train a successor.
Everything about star wars when it was first around till before Disney was built around irony. Another example is the fact the dark side users and sith specifically always wanted immortality, yet the only way to gain that was through absolute study of the light side
@@daltonfeathers8267 Well if we include non canon sources like Old Republic "Darth Viciate" was like an immortal emperor, he reached somewhat immortality through sith alchemy and such.
But yeah I agree, the irony is uncanny.
Even more ironic, is that in the Plagueis novel, Plagueis had discovered how to manipulate midichlorians to reverse aging all together. He intended to share this knowledge with Sidious so they could rule as partners and keep each other alive. Palpatine kills Plagueis before he ever gets to tell the former.
@@daltonfeathers8267
In the mandalorian Luke wants to convince Grogu to join the peaceful Jedi order instead of the war hungry Mandalorians by making him chose the sword over the armor. That is pretty ironic to me.
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Well, Palpatine has only himself to blame for all his apprentices being weak. He had no intention of being overthrown and jealously witheld vital Sith teachings and Force techniques, not to mention he always looked for opportunities to replace them.
People always claim Sidious had no intention of training his successor, yet he was willing to train Anakin..
He only wanted to use his fillings against Jedi. Think, If he cares for Anakin he would order Dooku to do not cut Skylwaker’s limba. Only force lighting, force chocke to only lost consciousness. Humilieted to Padme and that he is weak and how he suposted protect his wife Padme Amidala so he couldn’t save his mother. Dooku would said only one thing to Anakin that the slave from Tatoine was a shame to his father so he didn’t stay with Anakin. We know that Skylwaker was creation of the force but Anakin didn’t knew that. Dooku would told him to use a force, not lightsaber. Maybe Fooku could somehow teach Anakin some Dark side force abilities. After Darth Vader in flesh and burned head with his iconic mask could make red force lighting and combined it with other force moves such force repulse, force push, lightsaber combat, he would be a Emperor of the Siths, Sidious could be a senator that isn’t overuses Dark side but focuses on manipulation to a galaxy. The wife of Darth Vader at the end of the action while he kills Luke and Leia would be a Abeloth, beauty but her skin greish white, with red eyes. And Starkiller clones such of Siths from Tatooine, Hoth, Feliucia, Empiricial I mean all Sith Starkler versions as Vader’s generals and the Grand General Dark Apprentice Vader’s Executor would have turrents that shooting force lighting bolts: blue (shut down ship engines) , violet ( blow up the ship), red ( only kills and consume force from the ship’s crev.
@@Daren6111 he's the only one he felt worthy enough to take his place.
@@detroitmade6
More like he had no choice. Anakin was fated by prophecy, by The Force, to be destroyed (or whoever was the reigning Sith master) by Anakin.
So Palpatine figured out if he was going to go out anyway, he might as well do it by making the Chosen One a Sith.
At best voiding the prophecy, at worst going out giving the middle finger to the Light Side.
If he was scared of Darth mauls and when it could’ve been with the proper training, why did you want Anakin to be his apprentice? Over throw him.
Palp was a horrible teacher. He should have learned from Bane not relying on harm but admiration
Sith Warlock Maul would have been terrifying to say the least.
Too my knowledge, Talzins full potential rivalled Sidious and Mauls potential was said to surpass hers
Palpatine knew what he was doing in this situation he always does 🤣🔥
A Sith Warlock Maul would be a better idea than anything Disney has created.
Yer a wizard Maul!
I remember that after the mission against the Black Sun Darth Sidious was dissatisfied that Alexyn Garin, the leader of the Black Sun, was able to inflict a wound on Maul's hand. Sidious astutely deduced that Maul was overconfident and underestimated the ability of Garin, who was slightly force-sensitive, which caused the injury. Sidious warned his apprentice that despite Maul's power he wasn't invencible and should not understimate his enemies.
@vitorpereira9515 It was one of his defining characteristics, unfortunately. He dropped his guard with Garin after slaughtering a whole group of badasses and never learned his lesson. Obi-Wan, Kanan Jarrus and Ahsoka all took advantage of this.
@@dilbertfish Do not mix the universes.
@@vitorpereira9515 disney already has done that homie... hes just stating events
@@jeffcordova9633 And Disney failed miserably. They made EU even better.
@vitorpereira9515 I'm guessing you haven't liked the current era. Have you seen everything or just been put off?
Duel of the fates was amazing but I wish we would have seen Maul more in the prequels
If the Sith Lord admits his faults, then the Galaxy is doomed.
@SpammytheHedgehog Sidious wasn't infallible, but he did have a good hit rate.
Sidious not taking Talzin as his apprentice shows how he is not adhering to the Rule of Two. If Darth Bane was still alive, he might recruit and train Talzin in a heartbeat.
"But it has long been said: _oft evil will shall evil mar."_
- p. 221 of _The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers_
Seems like one of Palpatine's, or really all of the Sith's, biggest flaws: letting their own fear of betrayal make them betray their own allies first, and so constantly get in their own way.
And that's why Bane the rule of two.
@@aliastheabnormalTo make sure that your trainee can't be as good as you are until you screw up mightily and die stupidly? Because that's what not passing down all your knowledge and making a good apprentice yields. That's what the Rule of Two does, as no Sith wants their apprentice to be better than they are. The Sith Rule of Two should only ensure the most incompetent foes for the Jedi, just because the Sith are selfish by nature, and never teach everything they know.
@@willdavis3802 Bane is just that lucky. He could have died to the crab armor or to Lord Hoth if he actually cared to listen to spoony bard alien Jedi.
To bad he was to focused on getting his revenge on Obi Wan 🥴
And being a gangstar.
Sidious kind of hamstrung all of his apprentices because he didn't want them growing too strong, Maul got rather specific training to serve a certain purpose. Dooku's dark side training was super half-assed cause Palps didn't want a mere place-holder learning too much and getting too strong, and Vader he stuck in a sub-par suit with sub-par cybernetics purposely designed to be weak to force lightning. As much as he believed in the rule of two, he was so averse to ever being surpassed by his apprentices that he made sure it'd never happen.
As much as they tout Palpatine as "the culmination of Sith teachings" and "the greatest of Sith Lords" this would be the norm. The old republic Sith trainees should be able to mop the floor with Palpatine without breaking a sweat, as he, and all within the Rule of Two era never passed down everything to the student, as the Jedi did. Think of all the Masters holding things back from their apprentices, over and over so they wouldnt be usurped, across an eon. Hundreds of Masters not passing down everything to their students, lesser knowledge every generation. Palpatine was the special kid in the corner with barely a hint of training compared to when Sith had actual schools on the Dark Side...
Yes, I would love for Maul to be the new main antagonist
Darth Maul being a final villain wouldve been amazing compared to Somehow Sidious returned
His return in Dark Empire was better tho. But even then that comic trilogy has it's flaws.
Calling the dude who survived being cut in half, losing and regaining his mind. Then to assemble the most dangerous crime syndicate to invade mandalore. Only to later rule Mandalore just as a way to get back at Kenobi… calling that dude weak is crazy.
Weak compared to the potential he had and always could have been.
Have i ever told you about the tragedy of Darth Maul the bisected?
Lol
Pffffft bwahahaha!
@aliastheabnormal It's a tale of two halfs.
I thought not. It's not something Disney would tell you
@@sephikong7880Well, the weatherman is Horribly allergic to good stories that make money. Its all Didnt Earn It main characters with no character growth now.
He really dropped the ball on this one…Kindof intentionally too smh lol
I liked the fight between Palpatine vs. Maul and Oppress.
So did I. Palps has that Massiff in him
This wasn't entirely Sidious's fault. To fully train Maul as an equal while Plagueis was alive (I'm going off Legends here). Would have caused the two Sith to have a confrontation detrimental to The Plan.
The real loss, in Legends and Canon, was Maul's innate abilities meant he could have rediscovered the secrets of Sith Sorcery. The last Sith Sorceress had been Darth Zannah. And even though Sith Lord could use lesser magiks. The true power was unattainable unless you had the talent for it.
Later, Palpatine meant to recreate these abilities using Anakin's kinship with the Force. But stuff happened.
Full potential maul would be like sidious in the sense of being a master with the blade but you dont want him to fall onto his force abilities if you fighting otherwise youd loose in a second
Maul could already fight sidious to a draw with a saber as in clone wars. Sidious resorted to using the force to end the fight. Not bc maul was so good, but bc he had sparred for decades against his master. He knew his master and his tendencies, style, and his subtle idiosyncrasies.
he was indeed weak, i wish we would’ve seen him as master to Talon
Naw he wasn't weak he mastered all Saber forms in his teens
@@iooiopolooooiiooouil ofc but in comparison to the other sith apprentices of and around his time, he was dwarfed. i still love him though
Sidious had every reason to hamstring his apprentices. Look at what he himself did to Darth Plagueis.
These videos are so good bro,love the background music.I could listen to these all day.thank you for making them
A flaw in the video is that Sidious' note in Malgus' writing was in Legends/OG Canon, where Maul was more trained to be an assassin/warrior than a true Sith Apprentice. A good video, but there was a blending of Disney and OG Canon that makes the video contradict parts of itself.
This is so cool to see more of mauls personality I always thought that he doesn't have much personality but it seems that he has some secret personality locked away
Maul, and Savage was a threat to Palpatunes.
I'm impressed to know that Palpatine was capable critical analysis of his style and training; he was quick to reject Luke's assertions on the Death Star, yet here he is in reflection. I'd have liked to see Maul's storyline bump into another Sith Lord in the Shadows to have trained him further, and or for Maul to have a family - the offspring of two truly powerful force beings, to be a rival to Vader and maybe Luke.. Maul's arc was cut short needlessly.
You know, I’d like to see a full potential Maul
Sideous underestimates alot i noticed.. was wrong about Yoda, wrong about Anakin/Vader in the end, an also about Kenobi, and he DEFINITELY was wrong about Maul as when he was cut loose... when Maul returned he had learned in much the same way Vader had.. an he set about making those that'd slighted him or he felt had suffer. ESPECIALLY Kenobi. An Maul mustve been strong enough an did a bit more then 1 surprising things right to demonstrate to Palpatine he better handle him PERSONALLY instead of any random other lacky that may prove not up to task
Palpatine was ruled by FEAR! Shows you what the dark side is all about. Yin and yang.. positive and negative. He was destined for it though, he was a true sociopath, that happened to be force sensitive.
He came back stringer so strong he became a threat to big palpy
Darth maul sith warlock if allowed to reach his full potential would be a worthy rival to a full potential anakin skywalker (the chosen one).
In Canon Maul had he not been a failure on Naboo would of never been replaced as a apprentice with Dooku according to sources within Canon.
1. Sidious considered Maul a loss while he saw Dooku as a proton torpedo so he saw more potential in Maul before his beating on Theed that is then he ever saw in Tyranus as far as force potential goes and this was in a Canon Darth Vader Comic.
2. In The Son Of Dathomir Comic which is also Canon it was heavily implied that Mauls potential was above Talzins own and debatebly even Sidious own which was the main but not only reason Sidious ditched having Talzin as his apprentice for Maul that and Maul was still a pre teen so easier to manipulate and mold then his Mother was so yeah.
3. One of the writers said that Maul was supposed to serve in Dookus role in terms of power, rank, and skill at some point but didnt because Obi Wan ruined that for him.
4. Maul said to Savage how The Clone Wars started without him and how he was meant for so much more but was robbed of that destiny because of Kenobi yeah.
Maul is my favorite character. I always felt he was waisted
In an Alternate reality, Palpatine is a Jedi Master and Maul is a Jedi Knight. And all the Jedi are Siths. Lol
I would love a Star Wars infinities story where the Jedi have come to stand for stagnation, stasis and domineering control while the Sith's chaos came to embody freedom and growth.
This makes me wonder. What would have happened. If Anakin had actually been able, Too be successfully captured by Maul. And Maul had reported back. That he had failed. In order. Too take Anakin for himself. And train him. I am sure if the two had come to power. Under the rule of Two. Sidious' days would have been vary limited.
Talzin should have given Maul his force potential back.
Didn't Maul, after bisection still rule the Underworld for nearly 20 years
In Ezra’s isolation! What plan would the force have with him? Or is that energy absorbed already. Perhaps in Dathomere, a new friend??
Damn this was a great video and I wish we would have gotten that path instead of the one we have now. Mau would have been great to watch
Lê sobre esse quadrinho gostei demais essa relação do palpatine com maul era interessante quase pai e filho 😅😅😅😅😅
ventress was a nightsister tho and she never got her limbs cut off and got trained by dooku and another jedi master
And Palpatine feared her so he ordered Dooku to kill her
Aaw 😍. Good Ol Palpy does care. So wholesome
I remember a video explaining what would've happened if Darth maul survived and how he'd be killed anyway. Can't find it now.
There are very few villains I can think of like Palpatine. His ambition, ruthlessness, power and intractability put him more on the level of demon than any human. Almost a force of nature.
With this type of character there's a very thin line that separates the GOAT and the farcical. The fact that we know so much about him that he doesn't have that "mysteriousness"
"Finally". Like he just admitted it yesterday and this didn't all happen a "long long time ago"?
Palpatine was too ambitious for his own good. He ended up sacrificing too much at every step to obtain the empire.
When he himself had more to learn. Since he was never a capable teacher.
I like to think it's like that character in Kung Pow Enter the Fist (y'know Wimp Lo).
"We have trained him badly on purpose...as a joke."
Well finally at least Darth Sidious admitted he made a mistake in training Maul
Like anakin he praised what they can be and put them on the front lines and put off their training and upset they get destroyed
Could you comment that in Legends Sidious saw Quinlan Vos as an apprentice, and in Canon, Dooku wanted to overthrow Sidious with Quinlan in Dark Disciple. Would make for a great live action movie IMO
THIS IS A HISTORICAL MOMENT IN STAR WARS. PALPATINE FINALLY BLAMES HIMSELF ON SOMETHING INSTEAD OF BLAMING IT ON OTHERS.
I feel Maul would have had a more troubled path in the last three movies. Given Luke having brought back Anakin into the light, he might have brought Maul to Dathomir and have him abandon the sith way and embrace the Dathomirian path. Allowing him to rebuild what the empire destroyed. furthering the ties between Dathomir and the new Jedi order. Allowing true balance, dark and light allied to build the galaxy in a way the sith never could. And as experience as a sith assassin, Maul would be able to instruct jedi exactly how the sith would recruit and what lies would be made. After all, in legends there was a Dathomirian Jedi that built a jedi temple of her own on Dathomir.
Ironic that the reason he wanted Maul would be the reason he made Maul
I like your work, SW. It’s well done. Take it to the next level and stop using “FINALLY” in the headline. You’ve worn it out. Completely.
Sidious in the grand scheme of things was at the same time one of the best and worst Sith to ever exist. He was able to bring the Jedi to near extinction but at the same time was a complete failure as a master and a ruler.
As a master he wasted the potential of his apprentices because he didn't want to be overthrown. As a ruler he failed to creat an empire that could stand the test of time. A thousand years of Bane's plan to destroy thr Jedi was ultimately destroyed by the Jedi in less than 20 years of rule.
His own lust for power led him to kill Plagueis before he'd completed his experiments with the midichlorians. If he could have swallowed his pride for a little longer he MAY have been able to find the true immortality that he so craved.
Maul is still the only being, Sidious deemed to actually teach
Well Sidious focused to much on Mauls Lightsaber skills, but he still showed amazing skills in the force. Doing that Episode with Hondo, he threw an entire ship of a cliff, something we have rarely seen one do. Even Yoda quite needet some time and Focus to free lukes X-Wing.
Thats always how i viewed Maul. He isn't as strong as Yoda, but in fear or anger he sometimes showed abilitys coming really close to Yoda or Palpatine, even fighting toe to toe with Palpatine. From all of Palpatines Apprentices, he was the only one to really understand the dark side for what it is, the only one to really use his hate.
And It's all of Palpatine's fault! That basically sums up Star Wars Lore really.
Anakin did reach his full potential.
I love the idea of dark maul being the next dark lord in episode 7 8 and 9 he is a good villain in Star Wars
Could Sidious use Essence Transfer not just on himself, but others too? And could he also use Caminoan tech to reintroduce the True Sith species?
I will always say that I don’t really care for Darth Maul to be the villain of the sequels given how he was set up in the clone wars, and in the prequel to me, it doesn’t make sense that he goes from being primarily Obi-Wan villain to Luke and the New Republic‘s villain. This is strictly just going through material that George had his hand in. to me it seems like a very lofty goal to set up Maul as the big bad. I will say it I really wish that they would have done something new in the sequels and not just rehash both old plots from previous movies, but also the legends Palpatine clone plot. don’t get me wrong. I do love seeing legend stuff make its way into Cannon again, but I feel like it would’ve been nice to take a new route the sequels rather than the route we took or the route that George intended to take
That sequel would've been a TRILLION TIMES BETTER THAN THE gaabage with got! Especially ep.8. It would've been AMAZING!
thanks for the video!~ another good one!~
They meddled with Nightsister lore again? I can't keep up with this shit anymore.
Too bad. I would have liked to have seen that nine-part movie series of Darth maul being the final villain that would have actually been more awesomer than what we actually ended up with
I love it
Didn’t talzin fight sidious to a stand still in lore?
i was always under the impression that maul was never an actual apprentice, i thought dooku was his apprentice and maul was his assassin, i thought he only introduced him in the phantom menace as his apprentice to make it "obvious" that they are the two and dooku had nothing to do with them so he didn't tarnish his political reputation to have people on both sides of the war.
Maul is so underrated
That would have been cool if Maul was a warlock and rebuilt the Sith! Than Luke would have dealt with them!
Palpatine undoubtedly gotta be one of the worst masters in history.
Palpatine made it all about him. Never realised that in order for the sith to conquer and rule they had to constantly be growing stronger and stronger. The sith stagnated on palpatine. Snuffing out all resistance and rebellions. Unfortunately we know how it ended, the rebellions finally cought up to him. If he wouldn’t cling to the power and instead let sith power and the rule of two flow true. The sith would be unstoppable. His ego set the empire up for failure.
Interesting points. Imagine maul has defeated Kenobi! Would Shiv have Anakin to start training immediately?!
Palpatine would suffer no rival he wanted to be the only Sith Lord in the galaxy which is why he was so focused on cloning herself in the EU.
Honestly, I think a Sith warlock mall would have been very fascinating
I truly find his death on tattooing distasteful for someone as cunning, ruthless and tenacious as Darth Maul the character had so much potential, but Star Wars rebels disagreed.
If only Darth Maul was allowed to become something close to the threat, he was in legends or even more.
Then again could always justify another return of Darth Maul thanks to night sister magic mix in with some sort of mystical relic of the ancient Sith or The Son or even Darth Revan or Darth Nox 🤔
Head canon, Maul rose like Darth Sion a Sith wight. Spook of understanding the Force and all the wonders there is to witness of it. Bids Kenobi farewell and wanders out into the desert.
Later Maul shows up during " Shadows of the Empire " when Luke crafts his green saber.
The Sith home world started with family loyalty, the Night sisters and brothers are of the darkside yet they still have family bonds.
Maul's brother & mother never gave up on him, they are now one with the Force and he is one with them.
Fascinating.
Darth Maul was not able to possess #TDBank💳 card to become an elite #SithLord... 🌎💘💰
Movie about Cal Cestis son with merrin new with warlock
Pelpatine might be great at learning the ways of dark side but utterly useless at teaching it to others
I wish the actual sequels happened☹️
I AM THE FAULT
It would have been better than what we got.
Wait a minute this goes completely contrary to the book Darth Plagueis. I never watched the Disney cartoon so I might just be missing something.
The book is part of the EU and has some differences
@RomanVasquez-lf4tb oh, I guess I was mistaken. I thought the book was Disney canon.
@@godisfake78 sadly it’s not but imo outside mauls origins and some small other details it fits perfectly in the timeline
In what book, comic or show does Palpatine admit this?
This is absolutely Paplatine's fault. He took no interest in Maul's training. He should have train him more. Anakin was true apprentice. It would have been fantastic if we got Maul as final villain! That would be great story! May the Force be with you too. See you in next holocron in a few secs :)
Here i go.
I think IF Maul was trained the right way as a Sith and with Nightsister magic he could have been more powerful the Palpatine and maybe give full power Anakin serious run for his money. Maul would still be a warrior do his more Nightbrother blood but not limited as Malgus or others, even Vader, with mysteries of the darkside and magic but he would view them more as a refined weapon then it being the Sith's ways.
Ironic that Palpatine failed Maul as a Sith just like the Brotherhood of Darkness failed Darth Bane and themselves by not truily studying the darkside. Only differnce between Palpatine and the Brotherhood of Darkness is Palpatine should have known better with the teachings of Bane
He’s weak but he put up the best fight agasint you can 😂. Yeah fasho . U never wanted too fight dooku blade to blade for a reason
Maul wasn’t weak though, he was just too cocky
Honestly the more I learn, the more it seems like Sidious was probably the absolute WORST teacher in all of Star Wars. Seriously is there ANYONE he actually tried to train correctly?😂
I think Maul should have been Snoke because i think Maul would have enhanced the story better than having Palpatine and even Snoke and maul being a master wouldn’t have made since because of how close Ezra was his apprentice.
I really dislike that writer of that comic who referred to Dooku as a "torpedo". It shows a total lack of understanding of his character and worth. Considering how long Dooku was working with Palpatine it certainly doesn't make sense, unless it was a particularly slow-moving missile.
I was surprised that Stupendous Wave didn't even contest it, given the prior love that this channel has fostered upon Dooku, to a certain degree.
Dooku's political abilities and charmisma made him far more vital in the end for the domination of the Sith. There is no way that Maul could have contributed the wealth or connections that Dooku had, nor could he have served as the face of the Separatists. Meanwhile, in the now non-canon novel, Darth Plagueis, Dooku was considered worthy enough as a replacement for Sidious should things have turned awry.
The disrespect towards Darth Tyranus really is unwarranted, but he'll never really get his dues, unfortunately. An angry bulldog is more appealing than an elegant and powerful swordsman, it seems.
It would be good if there could be greater co-ordination with Star Wars writers so that their favouritism and personal biases wouldn't seep in to such an extent.
I never understood why sith apprentices/padawans couldnt just level up their power/abilities by self training. I get that they probably wont get as far, or as powerful, but come on....if you teach someone the basics of something, anything, then they can keep practicing said thing and soon become a master at it.
Think of anything where this isnt true....
They should be able to become a partial master, thats competent enough to be able to put up quite the fight against a fullly skilled master whos been doing it for decades.
Many still think Maul is on the upper end of Sith Lords, outclassing the likes of Malgus, Bane and even Revan. Meanwhile Maul is getting shot up by Space Pirates, fails to beat Obi-wan in a 2v1 and takes the L in a mostly fare fight against Asoka at the end of the clone wars. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Obi-wan, Asoka or the space pirates are weak. But they are not comparable to a grand master/ high Sith Lord level like Revan, Bane and Malgas are clearly at. Not to mention that Maul lost both his legs and a great deal of his midichlorians which is giving this already sad Sith at a Large handicap.
Day 481 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
The entire rule of two system is idiotic nonsense. Every single Sith master would have gotten to that position by killing his own master, which means that he would be well aware of the fact that any apprentice taken would try to overthrow him later. Sith masters do not want to get overthrown though, so obviously they would never teach everything they know to their apprentices, and even if they tried to then sometimes apprentices would kill them before they could finish teaching it all.
The Sith would have gotten weaker with each generation if Star Wars actually followed logic, hell from Plagues to Palpatine there was already a considerable loss of knowledge, and that was only one generation. Also if any logic applied, at some point both master and student would have died together, either due to random circumstances like accidents, or because they simply killed each other in battle.