Exactly. Back in the 90s when Snoop came up, rappers switched their flow up from bar to bar, they didn't just hammer the same exact same cadence in every line of every song.
As it was said, the problem for Snoop it's not the triplets, but, apart from not liking and criticising they all sound the same, he was also against that Versace/Migos flow, because, in that same show, he says someone told to him on a studio to try that and he responded by saying no, he doesn't "rap like that" and it's fair for him to not like it, even if that always existed.
That's it right there. Kendrick and Chance use that flow sparingly, as a tool. It builds and hypes their songs when it's needed But when rappers use it every single song for the entirety of those songs it really quickly gets monotonous.
jesseluke It's that and it's the content. Triplet flow is fine but when it's all choppers, drugs and hoes that's where monotony and banality step in. I'm like, damn, go someplace in the world besides a strip club or a trap house and tell me what that looks like, please!
i mean you could also say it's monotonous how other rappers mostly rap on eighth notes, or how everyone uses 808s, pentatonic scales, 4/4 timing. it's just a style, you don't have to be into it but there's no right or wrong way to do it
Monk Killedababy In the actual video he wasn't criticizing the style itself, but rather that so many rappers sound the same today. He does a better job of explaining it but that's the general idea.
@@ProdByGuero That's from 1992 though. Memphis rap actually predates back to 1989 or 1990, but it was mainly DJ mixes. Only after that they started to rap on the beats.
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Love everything being said here; but I think *you've* missed Uncle Snoop's point. He's not against the flow, he's against the fact that *every* damn rapper is using it; and I agree with him on that.
Snoop is a true musician and probably knows what a damn triplet is. All he's tryna say is that rappers nowadays should get their own damn identity instead of copying whatever the hot style is (mumbling triplets ATM).
I doubt he's complaining about the triplets themselves, more probably about how hard they make the subject to understand. The "mumble rap" he's referencing today comes by its nickname honestly.
"he isn't a musician, he just raps" Rap is music. Rappers are musicians. Why are you even watching a video about rap music if you don't consider rappers to be musicians?
I'm sure Snoop knows what triplets are. So, in that case, he's probably not missing the point, rather, he's frustrated by the same execution of triplets in modern rap - and he's not the only one.
This is how people describe music they're not into. When I was into techno, people would say it just goes doof food doof but I could find plenty of variety in it. Now I agree with them 😂
If you can’t tell the variation of songs idk if you are “hip pop”. It’s the relation and mood to every song that discerns it from one another. Listen more and understand more!
**Tommy Wright iii. yes. LI was one of the early users of the flow but Tommy did it when he was in the 9th / 10th grade, making trap aswell, it's origins formed in around '91-'92
The reason everyone is writing in trips is because it's easy. It's easy to flow and sound good. Eventually it will be played out and people will have to be creative again.
+Izzy the Egyptian Vulture He probably means that if you can rap you can easily go with triplets not making an effort to be creative because they just sound good, personally that style is just corny and played out to me
Anthony Rios I'm sorry but you're wrong. Writing in trips is 2 dimensional. It's why they do it. Write some BS, time it in trips. Doesn't matter if it rhymes, doesn't matter if it sounds good. You don't have to annunciate words. You don't even have to worry about cadence. I'm not scared of change. I'm scared of BAD change.
Because the majority of music listeners don't really know anything about music. And, that's okay. But, yes, as someone who understands rhythm on any sort of level this video is pretty pointless.
2342315313531451345 15135431543154315315431 he's referring to how revolutionary the video makes triplets out to be. Yeah, it sounds cool, but vox is like GAME CHANGING TRIPLETS
RIP Takeoff, if he didn't invent it, he perfected it and spread it. Even if you hate it, it's an addicting flow and great to listen to, old heads are just mad their lyrical miracles don't work anymore.
Guys rap or rapping is a technique, but the music style is Hip Hop. It's like Pop or Rock are music styles but singing is the technique of delivery of the lyrics.
Kendrick also uses triplets in the intro to Humble with “Nobody pray for me, Even a day for me”. Combined with the big bass notes builds a lot of hype.
I think the real issue here isn't the use of triplets, so much as the subtle wordplay, stunning lyricism, and even social commentary that can be found in powerful lyrics like: "Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace."
@a jewish bar of soap wrong, it was a misunderstanding that memphis artists and bone had beef. they both have the same triplets element and "devlish" sound in the 90s, dont mean bone bit memphis and this is coming from someone that loves memphis rap. even dj paul said it was a misunderstanding. midwest and south have connections musically
The triplet flow is honestly perfect for lyrical rap: using straight eighth notes to rap seems kind of slow, and rapping to sixteenth notes is difficult to do at faster tempos. So the triplet flow is like a happy medium.
Great video, but I don't think Snoop is quite missing the point. Despite the power triplets have as a rhythmic tool, it is getting to the point where it may be slightly overused and that's what I believe his comment is about. I'm okay to hear it here and there but all the time? No thanks.
Nerdy Potato In the video, Snoop wasn't talking about triplet when he says it all sounds the same. He was referring to mumble rap in general (mamammahuahvsuuajak)
Yeah, completely agree. I think the mumbling was an important factor in his point which I forgot to mention. But I think the overuse of the triplet flow was also part of his comment.
Nerdy Potato This video gave me a better understanding of the triplet flow. It's not a bad thing. What is bad is that everyone is doing it. They end up sounding the same.
Bhuni Be Only a white young girl would feel the need to break down hip hop, 1. To tell other people that she "gets" it , 2. To whitesplain to other white people that hip hop is complex enough for white people to listen to.
O K what does music theory have to do with race? Stop making unrelated stuff about race. There are plenty of channels with black people going over verses and theory as well. Just enjoy the creativity, rap isn't just lyrics and a beat. The flow combined with that is what makes verses hot.
I don’t think snoop was only referring to the fact they all rap in triplets I took it as if he was trying to say that half of these rappers don’t make sense of their words.
Snoop said that everyone's trying to sound the same and that that's bad. The video says that Snoop missed the point because triplets are useful and old, but that doesn't deal with Snoop's actual criticism: everyone's trying to sound the same and that's bad.
Lifragen Exactly, I doubt he was meaning to speak on the technicality of the beats and more-so the content and sameness of Trap artists. I know I'm tired of hearing about Popping pills, cars, and shallow content of Trap artists in general. I respect the Hustle and if I could make good money rapping about cough medicine I would. I just can't get behind their products. They usually don't have anything to say. Hell, I don't mind listening to B.O.B. He at least has interesting things to say. (Albeit, crazy conspiracy theories).
lmao as if snoop's content was ever any different. instead of popping pills cars and shallow content it's weed, cars and shallow content. get off your high horse
I have to disagree with you about Snoop missing the point. Although Triplets are one aspect to flow & music, the problem isn't that they are here. The problem is that everyone sounds the same. Part of what makes music sound good is the unexpected. When everyone does it ALL the time in all songs, it starts to become boring. And boring is the worst thing you can be in rap. It'd be like every song started exactly like Moonlight Sonata did. It'd get boring
Triplets are in no way complex. It is a basic element of music. Snoop doesn't miss the point, he was making his own point. It's totally unoriginal. When metal musicians over use triplets it gets tired, when jazz overdoes them the same. It's tired, overwrought, and lazy at the same time. Go back to your favorite song, "Notorious Thugs". There were triplets in there. But they were one element of the composition. What if a rapper only hit whole notes? Well, if done right that could sound cool, but then if every song he did and every song his peers did all were done in the rhythm of whole notes only...? For the majority of this wave, it's a crutch and a way to seem deep or more complex than they are. The reality is that a triplet is an elementary device, not an evolved or epic one. Musicians see right through the gimmick. Lamar, Run the Jules, and many others can do them well... only because they use them tactfully.
Speaking of only hitting hole notes... KRS-One did a song where each line ended with "whole", "hole" or "hold", and come to think of it, maybe he was using whole notes?
PixelPickaxe they sound exactly the same and are used exactly the same. the only concrete difference is how overused it is these days (unless that's what you meant, in which case carry on!)
Because it was used lessed so it contrasted the flow of the rest of the rhythm. Maybe itd be used for only a few bars a song, so it gave that section a bit of a spotlight. Now its just constant so it looses its "woah this is a switch up" feel
Johtonian the trap has always existed . Its just that “they” didn’t see a reason reason to market it . and now its all you hear , its all were going to hear until they find another thing to market .
Triplets in the eras you're talking about, were backed up with rapid fire delivery; flow versatility, punchlines, vocabulary, stories, meaning, etc. Today it's one word stretched out to make it a triplet, then a line or two about lean and back to the same word. World of difference. It's not really what you do, it's how you do it.
The mumble, and the extra exclamation! on the first or last syllable. Yeah, triplets are okay, but you can do triplets differently. The new songs aren't doing that.
DizzyDenver that's what annoys me with triplets today. They don't change it up Bone thugs Mixed triplets with quarter notes and half notes just how they explained in the video Using slow sounding beats so they can have enough time to play with all these note lengths
DizzyDenver yeah I feel the same way. They're really good as a spot flow to ramp up the energy of a song like chance and kendrick do but if it's the basis of your entire sound I kinda have a problem with it. The first thing I thought of with triplets and rap was the drums in black skinhead, even if it's not rapping they definitely have the same sort of effect
DizzyDenver exactly the two examples she gave were good, specially the one from Kendrick. It feels good, but not when the whole song is in friggin triplets like take a break dude breathe
Snoop explains in a very simple example what is wrong with Trap music. He is not mocking the use of triplets. He is mocking the combination of an overuse of triplets, paired with a lack of variation in musical aesthetic. Trap music sounds the same because literally EVERYTHING they say is either a triplet or some "rah"/"wooh" etc. They all shoot for exactly the same sound, from flow, tone of voice and lyrical structure all the way to their beat composition. Triplets offer so many possibilities using different accents, or even things like sextuplets (which essentially are 2 triplets subdivided into 3 groups of 2, instead of two groups of 3), but what makes them so amazing is the variation they can offer. That´s exactly what makes biggies flow so incredibly smooth. Also Trap lyrics are straight up garbage.
Kollector I'm not saying you can't have good music with trash lyrics, but if your lyrics suck and your sound is repetitive and indistinguishable from other artists there is nothing to listen to
Kollector u aint done ur research sayin rappers always sounded the same, in the golden era almost every rapper had differences in word choices, metaphors, song topics and flows and the most important thing everyone had originality and those that didnt wouldnt get recognition, u can hear the individualistic properties in their songs when again most of this generations music are so similar that its so boring to listen to, im not sayin every rapper in the 80s-90s were great but cmon to compare the music of this era to that era (mainstream or underground), its blasphemous if u are really passionate towards hip hop
Great video, BUT I don't think Snoop missed the point at all. He's right, everyone rapping exclusively in triplets does kinda sound the same. The serious talents like Chance and Kendrick are using triplets as just another tool in their arsenal and a way to switch things up and add drama, while the rest use it as a crutch. Take away the triplets and Chance and Kendrick still kill, but Migos and Future don't have much else.
It’s not that Snoop doesn’t like the triplet, it’s that he feels like the majority of rappers these days “sound the same.” Not agreeing with him or anything, but it’s not because he doesn’t like the triplet lol
Thing is, for me Kendrick and Chance use triplets so much better because it is delicate, purposeful and mostly used as beaming spotlight instead of a driving force in the song
John Berry that's not necessarily it, it's just that I dislike the constant stream of triplets at the same speed and intervals. Still, a stadium filling artist like Migos isn't "low class"
Tomas Noordsij that's the thing, they aren't southern and don't have that accent, that's why people think the southern rappers who use triplet flow are mumbling. Trust me, my cousin goes to school down there and many people talk like that. Migos has the best triplet flow to me, especially Takeoff.
the beat analysis at around 4:45 is just wrong. the guy beatboxes two bars in the first example, one bar in the second. if the first example is forcibly interpreted as one bar, that puts the snare on the "ands", which is not hip-hop. the biggie track is not 154 bpm. producers will put the tempo at 154, because that allows the producer to easily program 32nd notes. it gives the producer a higher resolution to work with, but it doesn't change the (77) bpm. this was important with old sequencers. look at an 808, sixteen buttons, representing 16ths. programming a sequencer is not like writing sheet music, nor is it like producing on a modern DAW, where bars can be divided into 64ths or higher, beyond human comprehension. listen to a track that is actually 154 bpm. (unfortunately there are a lot of mislabeled tracks on youtube, making the same mistake as in this video.)
No, that's wrong. He beat-boxes 2 bars in everyone of these examples. Both times it's a 4/4 beat. First: Kick on 1 Snare on 2 K 3 S 4 And so on Second: K 1 S 3 K 4+ K1 S3 K4+ Two bars all the time. Although, it's a bit irretating, that the 2. Kick beats 2 times.
I think what sets guys like kendrick and chance apart from migos and future is that they dont rely on the triplet. I listen to a migos song and its like thats the only flow they have. I got goosebumps the first time I heard kendrick switch to triplets on DNA. Its the same way in all music. In the the classical piece moonlight sonata, the beauty lies not only in the use of triplets, but the counter rhythm of the melody as well as the incredible chord progression. When I listen to hip hop radio its like "duh-duh-duh duh-duh-duh-duh (Skrrt)/ duh-duh-duh duh-duh-duh-duh (Brrrrr)" over and over again and its uninteresting and boring as hell.
Ethan Coonce Same! As soon as this video started, DNA. came to mind, and it's utilizing it like that which sets it apart from the trend that Snoop talks about. There's people who use the triplet as a tool and people who use it all the time and try to call it a style.
Ethan Coonce agreed. For me it gets boring. I prefer the style they mentioned when talking about Notorius Thugs where they tap into different rhythmic lanes, kinda like it's stuttering. Eminem does this a lot, I've noticed.
There needs on be something on how Grime rappers rap fast, because these triplets nearly feel like a trick to seem like they're rapping faster than they are...
Ian triplets are a broad term, there exist half note triplets my boy, it's just no one ever uses them because they almost always hang over the bar line
thats an old clip of Snoop, its from like 2014 if I remember correctly. Last year he sucked up to all these new rappers and told them he was proud of them and pretty much compared them to him when he was coming up.
My favorite song in featuring triplets goes like this: *the thing goes grrrrraaa, pop pop pop pop pop, skinny kid pop pop and a pum pum punna pum pum, skee-aaa, tun tu ku poo pum buull, pum pum*
The Public Enemy example and The Dismasters examples had hi hats going in eights and the rapper doing triplets against them. That's why those two examples sound so dissimilar from the others. All the other examples are hi hat patterns in triplets or only on the quarter note.
@Vox, I love your content, and you guys did a great job with this video, but Snoop never said he doesn't like triplet flow, he said he doesn't like mumble rap. In this video, you showed a clip of Snoop expressing that most people nowadays (that happen to use triplet flow) all sound the same, they all have the same style, and then throughout the rest of the video, every example you used were of great rappers that actually know how to use it, great rappers that had developed their own style, and implemented it with a beat. Snoop isn't talking about those, he knows they are good, he's talking about the mumble, the same style that most the Lil's and most the Yung's use. He isn't missing anything.
Always dislikes how vox tries to play the middle. It's a great tool sure, but it shouldn't be a hip hop artist's only tool. That's why Kendrick and Chance are respected by the old and new generation, because they use so many different techniques that everyone can relate to.
Mustafa Nguyen It's not just flow that will ensure Kendrick's place in the pantheon of rap gods (and to some extent, Chance), it's lyricism, content, and talent. I suspect I'm in the same age range as most of Migos' fans but I just can't...the music is devoid of purpose and their party lifestyle sounds extra lame.
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i doubt snoop hates the flow. he just hates that everyone abused of it.
Brook Rivers and on top of that has no substance most of the time
Brook Rivers Any legitimate musician knows what a triplet is lmao. You learn a triplet within 2 months of 6th grade band
He was talking more on the mumble rap and not the beat behind it
Right. She says he missed the point she missed his point something is less and less powerful as it becomes more used
I know...like we'll never know any other sounds if people just riding on the same style.
Mah man Beethoven was rockin' triplets before these new rappers
where's the remix?
Imma say it
Beethovan is damn good
Also like a lot of his stuff played on electric guitars
yo what about also sprach zarathustra opening, them timpanis ooooh
yeah man, Beethoven is so damn hard, his song no heart is fire
Homer has been doin it since 1000 bC lol
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Snoop wasn't against the style and flow in triplets he was against how rappers today all sounds the same!
Exactly. Back in the 90s when Snoop came up, rappers switched their flow up from bar to bar, they didn't just hammer the same exact same cadence in every line of every song.
...and they ain't saying much lyrically. Just look at Lil Pump, Yachty, Uzi Vert, etc... Shallow AF with the words.
As it was said, the problem for Snoop it's not the triplets, but, apart from not liking and criticising they all sound the same, he was also against that Versace/Migos flow, because, in that same show, he says someone told to him on a studio to try that and he responded by saying no, he doesn't "rap like that" and it's fair for him to not like it, even if that always existed.
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Juvail Pecson she never said he was against the flow!!!
That's it right there. Kendrick and Chance use that flow sparingly, as a tool. It builds and hypes their songs when it's needed But when rappers use it every single song for the entirety of those songs it really quickly gets monotonous.
Word
jesseluke It's that and it's the content. Triplet flow is fine but when it's all choppers, drugs and hoes that's where monotony and banality step in. I'm like, damn, go someplace in the world besides a strip club or a trap house and tell me what that looks like, please!
jesseluke When its 100% triplets, its trash. Lil pump,migos, future, gucci, 21 are all triplets
i mean you could also say it's monotonous how other rappers mostly rap on eighth notes, or how everyone uses 808s, pentatonic scales, 4/4 timing. it's just a style, you don't have to be into it but there's no right or wrong way to do it
jesseluke Exactly.
Snoop dog explaining it was priceless XD
First time I've heard him sound like an old man lol. Not knocking him, but yeah.
Monk Killedababy In the actual video he wasn't criticizing the style itself, but rather that so many rappers sound the same today. He does a better job of explaining it but that's the general idea.
I mean Snoop's almost 50 years old. He's getting there
Sly Cooper ecks dee
I thought it was Stevie Wonder
Actually Lord Infamous created the flow back in 89 so you know R.I.P Scarecrow
89? *89* !?
pleaae, I beg of you, to list what this song possibly may be. I've heard others and was like naaah I doubt it. but now I'm curious
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@@ProdByGuero That's from 1992 though. Memphis rap actually predates back to 1989 or 1990, but it was mainly DJ mixes. Only after that they started to rap on the beats.
@@MrRickypt Yessir, Dj BK, SpanishFly N Them
@@onesyphorusI know I’m 4 years late but hopefully you can be bless with this. look up (not all there) by lord infamous he kills it just one of his few works
More of these music episodes please
Isaac Cedeno honestly
Isaac Cedeno but with good music instead of the cold play of hip hop
Different genres would be perfect too
This topic is far superior to politics so more would be nice
Isaac Cedeno they've done a bunch of these already
Love everything being said here; but I think *you've* missed Uncle Snoop's point. He's not against the flow, he's against the fact that *every* damn rapper is using it; and I agree with him on that.
Della Yassine well get used to it because back in the old days people were using the same flows, so dont hate
+MC Huncho 😬
MC Huncho way to be progressive and original huehue
Exactly what I was thinking
I agree snoop is right these idiots all spitting gibiresh and people call it music stupid sheeps
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- Migos
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Yeah that way
u clearly don't listen to migos.....
Rap Is Not Dead u clearly didn't watch the video.....
Until I hear verses in quintuplets and septuplets, I'm unsatisfied.
University, University
I never went to University
(Repeat x15)
Eminem Godzilla
YES!
add nonuplets, decuplets, undecuplets aswell...
😂😂
*mimics Snoop Dogg mimicking the Migos flow*
Chandasouk *gets double platinum in a month*
hashtagSHREKT Lmfao
Chandasouk snoop spitting the truth
they are lucky. society is dumbed down enough for this to be acceptable rap... what's next? do a rap with the word cabbage??
killakaynyne thanks for the idea!
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Snoop is a true musician and probably knows what a damn triplet is. All he's tryna say is that rappers nowadays should get their own damn identity instead of copying whatever the hot style is (mumbling triplets ATM).
I doubt he's complaining about the triplets themselves, more probably about how hard they make the subject to understand. The "mumble rap" he's referencing today comes by its nickname honestly.
snoop actually hated the "mumble rap with the damn triplets" style, almost everyone use it
He's also got a trained bank account that will always outshine yours. Don't feel too bad though.
"he isn't a musician, he just raps"
Rap is music. Rappers are musicians.
Why are you even watching a video about rap music if you don't consider rappers to be musicians?
Fair enough.
it will forever be the Memphis flow perfected by lord infamous R.I.P
Memphis pioneered trap and the flows
Snoop not against triplets, he's against artists who use triplets(trap) with no originality
i read this in the THICKEST Indian accent. lol
But trap is original. It's original for Atlanta rappers
@@milanomartin5417 bruh
@@milanomartin5417 you messed around and put me right into a good mood with that laugh
I mean how do you make it original? its been copied and pasted so many times its saturated the hip hop community.
Vox's rap videos are rare but always the best
I'm sure Snoop knows what triplets are.
So, in that case, he's probably not missing the point, rather, he's frustrated by the same execution of triplets in modern rap - and he's not the only one.
Otherwise, great episode.
correct. She did miss his point.
Well said mate.
How? She simply pointed out that Snoop doesn't like the fact that the style is being overused in a one dimensional way.
I believe Snoop was more or less talking about how they all mumble and you can't hear the lyrics, rather than the triplets style.
Three Six Mafia is really the master of this flow enough where it impacted much of the rap after them in the 90s
Yea but of course people love the overrated mainstream fools more, 3-6 needs its recognition
@@333SOULJAAReal playas in tha South recognizes them
i agree with snoop. every song on the radio now is overwhelming homogeneous, i can’t even tell which song is which anymore.
PSYCHO you mean *almost every*
This is how people describe music they're not into. When I was into techno, people would say it just goes doof food doof but I could find plenty of variety in it. Now I agree with them 😂
Sadly it’s been that way for many decades, but only accelerated within the last 15 years.
If you can’t tell the variation of songs idk if you are “hip pop”. It’s the relation and mood to every song that discerns it from one another. Listen more and understand more!
lol they literally feature a young thug track with him on it in the video
producers are the ones making the song good
marketing is what makes a song good. bazinga
Dat there are plenty of artists that Metro and Zaytoven produced for that are not famous at all so try again.
Big Worm there not the only producers that know how to make good beats ... like at Mongolia from carti it's the reason it's "catchy " really .
Dat some don't get credit for their work
Rappers are more like public figures rather musical artists. That's why most artist are good looking. The producers make the songs sound good.
ironically theres 3 migos
Bruce Wayne and they all trash lol
Grizzly Machismo I'll drink to that
#mindblown
That's not irony
Grizzly Machismo The only song from Migos I can tolerate is "Stir Fry" and that's only because of the production.
The triplet flow was perfected by three six mafia’s lord infamous and is responsible for every popular rapper in the game today
Rip scarecrow
If you don’t know this: you don’t know rap. Period. Thank god we got
seedof6ix. sounds exactly like his dad.
That marked the day rap died then
**Tommy Wright iii.
yes. LI was one of the early users of the flow but Tommy did it when he was in the 9th / 10th grade, making trap aswell, it's origins formed in around '91-'92
3 6 mafia's influence on this new rap game is underrated asf. $uicideboy$ are heavily inspired by them aswell.
Do one on Andre 3000s flow. I've been fascinated with why his sound stands out forever
Matthew Fornear look up composers corner he analyses it
Can't seem to find the video, can you link it?
Eoin Byrne please, can you post a link?
He's flow on E.T.(Extraterrestrial), A life in the day of Andre Benjamin and Aquemini always amazes me
Kilban Kilban you can search it yourself
The reason everyone is writing in trips is because it's easy. It's easy to flow and sound good. Eventually it will be played out and people will have to be creative again.
High Tide you're wrong, it's no easier than any other style.
+Izzy the Egyptian Vulture He probably means that if you can rap you can easily go with triplets not making an effort to be creative because they just sound good, personally that style is just corny and played out to me
Daniel Mendoza hell nooooooo. Anyone thinks like that should have their ears slit
Anthony Rios I'm sorry but you're wrong. Writing in trips is 2 dimensional. It's why they do it. Write some BS, time it in trips. Doesn't matter if it rhymes, doesn't matter if it sounds good. You don't have to annunciate words. You don't even have to worry about cadence. I'm not scared of change. I'm scared of BAD change.
I dont think so its been bere since the 90s
As a percussionist, or just a musician in general... why is this so amazing or interesting? Snoop didn't miss the point. He knows they're all the same
Lol It's like the masses finally found out about time signatures and tempos.
I️ am as well, always wondered about that. I just have to laugh when people say that rappers have so much rhythm!
Because the majority of music listeners don't really know anything about music. And, that's okay. But, yes, as someone who understands rhythm on any sort of level this video is pretty pointless.
2342315313531451345 15135431543154315315431 he's referring to how revolutionary the video makes triplets out to be. Yeah, it sounds cool, but vox is like GAME CHANGING TRIPLETS
Wes Tolson thank you, lol
RIP Takeoff, if he didn't invent it, he perfected it and spread it. Even if you hate it, it's an addicting flow and great to listen to, old heads are just mad their lyrical miracles don't work anymore.
He invented it
@@yugoshine5593 they also invented mumble rap 😂
He did invent Offset and Quavo said he did
@@Thedeathdump found the logic fan
@@Thedeathdump big nathan moment
Tbh. Someone who isn't musically aware of stuff like this in rap. That was some huge insight. I liked the video a lot. Thanks for the info 😁
King Riguez Is your profile pic from one of the Tokyo Xtreme Racer Drift games?
Jorge Ortiz lol I think so. I can't remember
King Riguez plz don’t go and listen to this fake rap
Guys rap or rapping is a technique, but the music style is Hip Hop. It's like Pop or Rock are music styles but singing is the technique of delivery of the lyrics.
Kendrick also uses triplets in the intro to Humble with “Nobody pray for me, Even a day for me”. Combined with the big bass notes builds a lot of hype.
LaucknerTheNerd "whaaaa, ya ya"
yeah but he does a different beat too
I think the real issue here isn't the use of triplets, so much as the subtle wordplay, stunning lyricism, and even social commentary that can be found in powerful lyrics like: "Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace."
LOL
😂😂😂
lol they literally feature a young thug track with him on it in the video
Lmao you almost had me
You just don't get it - it's a pokemon rap.
RIP TAKEOFF, THE ONE THAT PUT TRIPLET FLOW ON THE MAP
in poetry triplets are called dactyls and anapests
Ben Dover You know, that's cool and all, but I'm probably going to forget it within the end of this video.
are you sure about this ?
Alright. And what now?
Ben Dover damn man you're pretty cool
I learned something new today. Thanks I guess.
How 3 6 Mafia influenced every modern mainstream hip hop artist
And underground
a jewish bar of soap lord infamous
@a jewish bar of soap Bone Thugs 👀
@a jewish bar of soap wrong, it was a misunderstanding that memphis artists and bone had beef. they both have the same triplets element and "devlish" sound in the 90s, dont mean bone bit memphis and this is coming from someone that loves memphis rap. even dj paul said it was a misunderstanding. midwest and south have connections musically
@a jewish bar of soap Bone dropped their underground album in 1993 though 👀
The triplet flow is honestly perfect for lyrical rap: using straight eighth notes to rap seems kind of slow, and rapping to sixteenth notes is difficult to do at faster tempos. So the triplet flow is like a happy medium.
It exactly is man. As a person who loves music, I understood that statement clearly.
Disagreed.
These videos need to be longer goddammit, and more frequent. Why y'all like playin with my emotions?
Kassie Mitchell scarcity in supply and demand is an important asset for maintaining buzz. Too much of anything is never good. Inspires apathy.
Big perm, I mean big worm.
Kassie Mitchell excellent reporting to englighten us
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afro curly girl I know it’s a year old comment, but it also can’t be easy to put these typa vids together
Great video, but I don't think Snoop is quite missing the point. Despite the power triplets have as a rhythmic tool, it is getting to the point where it may be slightly overused and that's what I believe his comment is about. I'm okay to hear it here and there but all the time? No thanks.
Nerdy Potato In the video, Snoop wasn't talking about triplet when he says it all sounds the same. He was referring to mumble rap in general (mamammahuahvsuuajak)
Yeah, that's when it all starts to "sound the same"
John Yaurimo And it's that sound that is in triplets ALL the time.
Yeah, completely agree. I think the mumbling was an important factor in his point which I forgot to mention. But I think the overuse of the triplet flow was also part of his comment.
Nerdy Potato This video gave me a better understanding of the triplet flow. It's not a bad thing. What is bad is that everyone is doing it. They end up sounding the same.
I love thiese Vox music videos.
I hate thiese Vox music videos.
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Bhuni Be Only a white young girl would feel the need to break down hip hop, 1. To tell other people that she "gets" it , 2. To whitesplain to other white people that hip hop is complex enough for white people to listen to.
O K what does music theory have to do with race? Stop making unrelated stuff about race. There are plenty of channels with black people going over verses and theory as well. Just enjoy the creativity, rap isn't just lyrics and a beat. The flow combined with that is what makes verses hot.
O K
I know right. When rappers rap, they just go. Instrumentals to a rapper is like a green light. U see that green u just step on the gas.
Lord infamous was the originator but when he spit triplets is was 🔥
I don’t think snoop was only referring to the fact they all rap in triplets I took it as if he was trying to say that half of these rappers don’t make sense of their words.
v.gautreaux exactly. You want some lyrical content ffs🖑
You don't make sense of your words.
These videos are incredible
Great to see someone really dive deep into this trend! I absolutely love these videos (even if I don't agree with the conclusion)
I agree. It's informative/thought provoking, even if the conclusion is a bit weird.
What's wrong with the conclusion?
Snoop said that everyone's trying to sound the same and that that's bad. The video says that Snoop missed the point because triplets are useful and old, but that doesn't deal with Snoop's actual criticism: everyone's trying to sound the same and that's bad.
Lifragen Exactly, I doubt he was meaning to speak on the technicality of the beats and more-so the content and sameness of Trap artists.
I know I'm tired of hearing about Popping pills, cars, and shallow content of Trap artists in general. I respect the Hustle and if I could make good money rapping about cough medicine I would. I just can't get behind their products.
They usually don't have anything to say. Hell, I don't mind listening to B.O.B. He at least has interesting things to say. (Albeit, crazy conspiracy theories).
lmao as if snoop's content was ever any different. instead of popping pills cars and shallow content it's weed, cars and shallow content. get off your high horse
Takeoff really took this triplet flow to another level. Fly high 🕊
Lord infamous flow
Benzo Bucks V12 i was lookig for this comment right when I saw the title
R.I.P.
R.I.P the rowdy bounty hunter the scarecrow.
Infamous flow > Disney Channel flow
Benzo Bucks V12 yes bruhhh.
I have to disagree with you about Snoop missing the point. Although Triplets are one aspect to flow & music, the problem isn't that they are here. The problem is that everyone sounds the same. Part of what makes music sound good is the unexpected. When everyone does it ALL the time in all songs, it starts to become boring. And boring is the worst thing you can be in rap. It'd be like every song started exactly like Moonlight Sonata did. It'd get boring
agreed Snoop was probably high and couldn't communicate his point very well.
faithfuljohn EXACTLY
well back in the days almost any rapper sounded the same as well... they use the same type of flows as any other artist, nothing changed much
Exactly!
faithfuljohn
Great point
Triplets are in no way complex. It is a basic element of music. Snoop doesn't miss the point, he was making his own point. It's totally unoriginal. When metal musicians over use triplets it gets tired, when jazz overdoes them the same. It's tired, overwrought, and lazy at the same time. Go back to your favorite song, "Notorious Thugs". There were triplets in there. But they were one element of the composition.
What if a rapper only hit whole notes? Well, if done right that could sound cool, but then if every song he did and every song his peers did all were done in the rhythm of whole notes only...? For the majority of this wave, it's a crutch and a way to seem deep or more complex than they are. The reality is that a triplet is an elementary device, not an evolved or epic one. Musicians see right through the gimmick. Lamar, Run the Jules, and many others can do them well... only because they use them tactfully.
That's because Bone Thugs go hard and they're about more musical elements than just triplets
sounds about white
@@yungjoemighty879 Or just sounds like knowledge of music...? 😂
Came here to make this exact point so thank you for nailing it.
Speaking of only hitting hole notes... KRS-One did a song where each line ended with "whole", "hole" or "hold", and come to think of it, maybe he was using whole notes?
So sad. REST in Peace, TakeOff.
I prefer how the nineties used the triplets over newer adaptations.
PixelPickaxe they sound exactly the same and are used exactly the same. the only concrete difference is how overused it is these days (unless that's what you meant, in which case carry on!)
No, I really can't hear the similarity/Just haven't picked up on it yet.
Lol, it's the exact same. The only different thing is it wasn't just as common as it is today, and that trap didn't exist back then
Because it was used lessed so it contrasted the flow of the rest of the rhythm. Maybe itd be used for only a few bars a song, so it gave that section a bit of a spotlight. Now its just constant so it looses its "woah this is a switch up" feel
Johtonian the trap has always existed . Its just that “they” didn’t see a reason reason to market it . and now its all you hear , its all were going to hear until they find another thing to market .
Triplets in the eras you're talking about, were backed up with rapid fire delivery; flow versatility, punchlines, vocabulary, stories, meaning, etc. Today it's one word stretched out to make it a triplet, then a line or two about lean and back to the same word. World of difference. It's not really what you do, it's how you do it.
Snoop wasn't just talking about the triplets. He was reffering to the mumbling and the production as well.
David Stoneback no he was just talking about the flow
David Stoneback He was directly talking about triplets
David Stoneback People only call it mumbling because of their accents.
Docbndgrl9113 what accent makes you mumble they choose to pronounce words that way. Plus there from the USA not nigeria no reason to mumble
The mumble, and the extra exclamation! on the first or last syllable. Yeah, triplets are okay, but you can do triplets differently. The new songs aren't doing that.
RIP Takeoff, he has changed the rap world with Migos.
These type of vids is the reason I’m subscribed to vox
Triplets can be great, I'm just not tryna hear it in every single song I listen to, mix it in not flood it
DizzyDenver that's what annoys me with triplets today. They don't change it up
Bone thugs
Mixed triplets with quarter notes and half notes just how they explained in the video
Using slow sounding beats so they can have enough time to play with all these note lengths
DizzyDenver yeah I feel the same way. They're really good as a spot flow to ramp up the energy of a song like chance and kendrick do but if it's the basis of your entire sound I kinda have a problem with it. The first thing I thought of with triplets and rap was the drums in black skinhead, even if it's not rapping they definitely have the same sort of effect
DizzyDenver exactly the two examples she gave were good, specially the one from Kendrick. It feels good, but not when the whole song is in friggin triplets like take a break dude breathe
Triplets are effective because they break up the standard note pattern, when triplets ARE the standard note pattern they become just as monotonous.
That's my favorite part of Scrim from Suicide Boys, he raps more old school and then Ruby raps much more like 3 6 Mafia
My man Justin Hunte is finally getting his well deserved recognition
RIP Take
THIS is why I subscribed to this channel in the first place.
Jj
Memphis sounded better using that flow.
South and Midwest own it
R.I.P. Lord Infamous
True, they used to use way more variation with this as well
horrorcore best
R.i.P Scarecrow & Koop
Notorious Thugs also one of my fave songs of all time. Under utilised in Hip Hop culture!!
Finally somebody knows wassup!
The golden era of rap! Both of thoes sings sound totally different this migos flow all sounds the same
not really each artist uses the triplet flow differently
Listen to Glorious Thugs by the Flatbush ZOMBiES
you'll probably like that one 😘
illmaculate is still under their radar smh
Hell of an overcomplicated way to talk about half-time
Let's all mumble in triplets over a trap beat then.
JuL3r I'm down if it's going to get me rich
lmaoooo
T Dawg is that why you want to make music tho? Wrong motivation bruh
Peanut mbnbmiijbbjbb
Lets do it who has the means I got the mumble flow.Let's start a new trend be a diverse dominant group of the mumbo jumbo rap game
Snoop explains in a very simple example what is wrong with Trap music. He is not mocking the use of triplets. He is mocking the combination of an overuse of triplets, paired with a lack of variation in musical aesthetic.
Trap music sounds the same because literally EVERYTHING they say is either a triplet or some "rah"/"wooh" etc. They all shoot for exactly the same sound, from flow, tone of voice and lyrical structure all the way to their beat composition. Triplets offer so many possibilities using different accents, or even things like sextuplets (which essentially are 2 triplets subdivided into 3 groups of 2, instead of two groups of 3), but what makes them so amazing is the variation they can offer. That´s exactly what makes biggies flow so incredibly smooth.
Also Trap lyrics are straight up garbage.
Yoel Hernandez Waber cause literally anybody other than 2pac and biggies lyrics in the 90’s were so much better than the trap artists lyrics
Kollector I'm not saying you can't have good music with trash lyrics, but if your lyrics suck and your sound is repetitive and indistinguishable from other artists there is nothing to listen to
Yoel Hernandez Waber ik what youre saying but thats how all rap always was most artists sounded the same and their styles rarely varied
Kollector One of the reasons why I only listen to a few selected hip hop artists and usually prefer other genres
Kollector u aint done ur research sayin rappers always sounded the same, in the golden era almost every rapper had differences in word choices, metaphors, song topics and flows and the most important thing everyone had originality and those that didnt wouldnt get recognition, u can hear the individualistic properties in their songs when again most of this generations music are so similar that its so boring to listen to, im not sayin every rapper in the 80s-90s were great but cmon to compare the music of this era to that era (mainstream or underground), its blasphemous if u are really passionate towards hip hop
Great video, BUT I don't think Snoop missed the point at all.
He's right, everyone rapping exclusively in triplets does kinda sound the same.
The serious talents like Chance and Kendrick are using triplets as just another tool in their arsenal and a way to switch things up and add drama, while the rest use it as a crutch.
Take away the triplets and Chance and Kendrick still kill, but Migos and Future don't have much else.
Don't have much else??? WTF Migos and Future CLEARLY also have SHITTY AUTO TUNED SINGING to fall back on.
Adam Gordon that makes no sense lmao
There is a difference between you not understanding, and something making no sense...
They have one thing else. The instrumentals are sick. But, most of the time that's the producers and not the rappers themselves.
It’s not that Snoop doesn’t like the triplet, it’s that he feels like the majority of rappers these days “sound the same.” Not agreeing with him or anything, but it’s not because he doesn’t like the triplet lol
Please continue this series for many more episodes!! No other channel on youtube is putting out such high quality videos deconstructing music
Thing is, for me Kendrick and Chance use triplets so much better because it is delicate, purposeful and mostly used as beaming spotlight instead of a driving force in the song
Beautiful video again by the way
Eh, that sounds a bit pretentious. But I understand you don't wanna associate your favs w/ those "low class mumble rappers"
John Berry that's not necessarily it, it's just that I dislike the constant stream of triplets at the same speed and intervals. Still, a stadium filling artist like Migos isn't "low class"
Tomas Noordsij that's the thing, they aren't southern and don't have that accent, that's why people think the southern rappers who use triplet flow are mumbling. Trust me, my cousin goes to school down there and many people talk like that.
Migos has the best triplet flow to me, especially Takeoff.
Kendrick only one moving hip hop forward
*the Beats took over rap. Without those catchy beats with those fire drums rap today wouldnt be so big. Shoutout to all PRODUCERS !!
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Love it when they deconstruct the art of rhyming and flowing like that 😎
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the beat analysis at around 4:45 is just wrong. the guy beatboxes two bars in the first example, one bar in the second. if the first example is forcibly interpreted as one bar, that puts the snare on the "ands", which is not hip-hop. the biggie track is not 154 bpm. producers will put the tempo at 154, because that allows the producer to easily program 32nd notes. it gives the producer a higher resolution to work with, but it doesn't change the (77) bpm. this was important with old sequencers. look at an 808, sixteen buttons, representing 16ths. programming a sequencer is not like writing sheet music, nor is it like producing on a modern DAW, where bars can be divided into 64ths or higher, beyond human comprehension. listen to a track that is actually 154 bpm. (unfortunately there are a lot of mislabeled tracks on youtube, making the same mistake as in this video.)
160 bpm = jungle territory. most hip-hop heads are not going to dance to that.
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toolstud.io/music/bpm.php?bpm=154&bpm_unit=4%2F4
No, that's wrong. He beat-boxes 2 bars in everyone of these examples. Both times it's a 4/4 beat.
First:
Kick on 1
Snare on 2
K 3
S 4
And so on
Second:
K 1
S 3
K 4+
K1
S3
K4+
Two bars all the time.
Although, it's a bit irretating, that the 2. Kick beats 2 times.
I seriously doubt you could follow anything in this video after that point, if you were already that lost 😆 lol
Read all of that. My brain's blank. Sigh.
She always has the best videos
Snoop is spot on. Triplets are a great tool but art needs variety.
Hey vsauce, Michael here.
I think what sets guys like kendrick and chance apart from migos and future is that they dont rely on the triplet. I listen to a migos song and its like thats the only flow they have. I got goosebumps the first time I heard kendrick switch to triplets on DNA. Its the same way in all music. In the the classical piece moonlight sonata, the beauty lies not only in the use of triplets, but the counter rhythm of the melody as well as the incredible chord progression. When I listen to hip hop radio its like "duh-duh-duh duh-duh-duh-duh (Skrrt)/ duh-duh-duh duh-duh-duh-duh (Brrrrr)" over and over again and its uninteresting and boring as hell.
Ethan Coonce Same! As soon as this video started, DNA. came to mind, and it's utilizing it like that which sets it apart from the trend that Snoop talks about. There's people who use the triplet as a tool and people who use it all the time and try to call it a style.
Ethan Coonce lost me at chance
Yeah, the triplet is a tool. It's being abused right now.
Ethan Coonce agreed. For me it gets boring. I prefer the style they mentioned when talking about Notorius Thugs where they tap into different rhythmic lanes, kinda like it's stuttering. Eminem does this a lot, I've noticed.
Ethan Coonce i think you have sonething there. Hearing soneone with different styles flip their flow is amazing.
So glad they mentioned tommy wright
Sameio Stewart-Panko Tommy Wright I creep at night
Sameio Stewart-Panko the *III* fool!!!! 3rd fool!
0:37 Don't mind me, just placing a replay button.
No, Snoop isn't missing the point. The fact it is a powerful, yet over-used tool is exactly what is wrong with it.
There needs on be something on how Grime rappers rap fast, because these triplets nearly feel like a trick to seem like they're rapping faster than they are...
Biggie takes up the whole east coast.
I am Usher They were bugging. Nas, Mobb Deep, Wu-Tang, and many more.
Scope Maverick lmao nah it's just that Biggie was just so physically large they couldn't fit anyone else
Ammar Ali Khan that was the joke
I am Usher lol
Ammar Ali Khan i think thats what he meant by saying biggie taking up the whole east coast haha
Bone's flow changes constantly
Catchy hook... "Versace, Versace, Versace, Versace, Versace Versace." Really? 😂😂😂
That is literally the worst lyric ever.
they talkin' bout the flow, not lyrics
Colin Plumb try “hoverboard hoverboard hoverboard”
Colin Plumb what about “gucci gang gucci gang gucci gang gucci gang”
yeach its catchy
These are the best kinds of Vox vids
Phoenix I like some of the other videos but these are definitely my favorite and what got me to sub in the first place.
Rip Scarecrow, props for giving him credit
ive listened to all we got so many times and i *never* noticed that there's no kick or snare during the verse. love these vids, keep teachin us :)
Being a drummer I love this talk about triplets
Where are the quarter note triplets though?
Ian triplets are a broad term, there exist half note triplets my boy, it's just no one ever uses them because they almost always hang over the bar line
I love this series, bringing out the science behind good music, and in such a lovable way.
how is snoop missing the point? just cause triplets are catchy doesn't mean every rapper coming out has to use the same flow
red rum every rapper isn't though. It's just popular
iamgrandmaster Please tell me how that makes it different. It's popular so many rappers are constantly, nonstop.
charnae young yeah but "every rapper" isn't using it. It's just popular rn.
iamgrandmaster possibly because everyone doing the same style isn't a bad thing? And she pointed out that even he has used them in the past.
thats an old clip of Snoop, its from like 2014 if I remember correctly. Last year he sucked up to all these new rappers and told them he was proud of them and pretty much compared them to him when he was coming up.
My favorite song in featuring triplets goes like this: *the thing goes grrrrraaa, pop pop pop pop pop, skinny kid pop pop and a pum pum punna pum pum, skee-aaa, tun tu ku poo pum buull, pum pum*
TruckeE ._. Word
Dude finally someone got the lyrics for me 🙌🏽
Quality
triplets where?
Ain't no triplets in there
I lost it when Snoop was like "ha ha ha he he he" 😂
Snoop explains modern rap so well it's crazy.
'Modern rap' - 🤓
1:22 Legit thought Neil deGrasse Tyson Was talking
The Public Enemy example and The Dismasters examples had hi hats going in eights and the rapper doing triplets against them. That's why those two examples sound so dissimilar from the others. All the other examples are hi hat patterns in triplets or only on the quarter note.
Yes definitely the best series on vox hype
7:07 is it me or do y’all hear a snare instead of hi hats
Vox's graphic design never ceases to amaze me.
@Vox, I love your content, and you guys did a great job with this video, but Snoop never said he doesn't like triplet flow, he said he doesn't like mumble rap. In this video, you showed a clip of Snoop expressing that most people nowadays (that happen to use triplet flow) all sound the same, they all have the same style, and then throughout the rest of the video, every example you used were of great rappers that actually know how to use it, great rappers that had developed their own style, and implemented it with a beat. Snoop isn't talking about those, he knows they are good, he's talking about the mumble, the same style that most the Lil's and most the Yung's use. He isn't missing anything.
Always dislikes how vox tries to play the middle. It's a great tool sure, but it shouldn't be a hip hop artist's only tool. That's why Kendrick and Chance are respected by the old and new generation, because they use so many different techniques that everyone can relate to.
Problem is...EVERYONE can relate to something simple and bland and monotonous. And Not Everyone can relate to creative and intelligent and innovative.
CrazyLazyDave Are you calling KDot and Chance boring monotonous and uncreative? Jw
javanut123
I hope so, that is EXACTLY what they are!
Delightful Douschebaggery not rlly bud
Mustafa Nguyen It's not just flow that will ensure Kendrick's place in the pantheon of rap gods (and to some extent, Chance), it's lyricism, content, and talent. I suspect I'm in the same age range as most of Migos' fans but I just can't...the music is devoid of purpose and their party lifestyle sounds extra lame.
I'd really love to watch a whole video on the underrated Memphis rap scene.
I love this series keep it going
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LORD INFAMOUS FLOW!
Damn right
Kids don't even know that he is master of that flow