Ukraine wants to recruit 20,000 prisoners for war

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  • Ukraine turned to prisons to recruit inmates for the military as it continues to experience manpower shortages in its fight against Russian aggression. The Kyiv Independent got access to two Ukrainian prisons, providing a glimpse into how the recruitment is going and how inmates feel about this new option.
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  • @kyivindependent
    @kyivindependent  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

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  • @wizdalmar7559
    @wizdalmar7559 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +84

    i think those prisoners are safer in cells than brutal and hell on earth frontlines

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nowhere in Ukraine is safe since Russia's war is ongoing

    • @Incorruptus1
      @Incorruptus1 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It would be breaking a settlement between victims and verdicts. See...for instance what about or with those punished with sex crimes, human trafficking, the fabrication of forbidden drugs and productions of or first handler trader hierarchie criminals, narcotics, etc. So heavy criminality excluded from being able to join this, sorry, but I don't think that is sane to do. But to be punished according to a order of a judge, sometimes multiple judges, and attempts to come judgement, with higher court and laws leading to it in place it can be an enduring case. Specially when dealing with prisoners and mental states of them, etc. Resettling that into a army contract, is a Russian method. But we do not allow this. As a European I say this is not the way. Yet hiring mercenaries is a different thing, but for a set and sound recognition, not a bail out of jail.
      So temporary - All besides - psychopaths and sociopaths and murderers and so onward. But theft of money or insurance or such related crimes, drug related ones - release is possible, and on base of judgement on their behaviours in the army, they may be either shortened, or bailed out, for instance when ending up heavily wounded, extremely well behaved, recognition citizenship. Etc. Being in prison in wartime, in a nation under attack, seems a little overly exposed to danger, which should not be. A safe prison time assured. Imprisoning someone, a real serious responsibility.
      Voluntary would be the only way I see it possible to get them out temporarily. By reason and extreme shortage on soldiers at the front. Simple as that. That be possibly the only way a higher judge would judge this into reality and a possibility. And definitely not without the same course off action, as for training and educating them. I guess the only way, to make your statement possible? I would say 85% sure, yes. With a minimal contract of 3 and a maximum of 5 years. Would be preferred. If that is what they feel they can repay something with, heal some of the wounds, that they should get that chance. Why not...right.. :) 👍 I'd say go for it!

    • @GnosticAtheist
      @GnosticAtheist 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Yes, they are. However, many non-violent criminals are not sociopaths and may want to defend their nation, just like anyone else. With these laws, they may, if they can convince the board of their conviction.

    • @user-xs6th9xi2i
      @user-xs6th9xi2i 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂😂😂 what ?​@@GnosticAtheist

    • @GnosticAtheist
      @GnosticAtheist 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@user-xs6th9xi2i Some prisoners may want to serve in the military. In order for them to be able to apply for service, they must be non-violent prisoners and be found motivated enough. It is indeed dangerous to go to the front-lines, but a prisoner might still want to protect their nation.

  • @user-tl2cs6wv8b
    @user-tl2cs6wv8b 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    The same people who were laughing at Russia for doing the same thing. The irony😃

    • @kyivindependent
      @kyivindependent  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I would suggest reading the story here: kyivindependent.com/inside-ukraines-prisoner-recruitment-efforts-to-bolster-front-line-troops/. There are many differences

    • @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367
      @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      No there is none .. ​@@kyivindependent

    • @purelive8484
      @purelive8484 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A drowning person grasps at straws and extreme situations require unique solutions. +500k young, healthy ukrainians men ready for military service fled the country due to corruption on the border, just like russians did.

    • @walterheisenberg7630
      @walterheisenberg7630 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Exactly! 💯

    • @monkemode8128
      @monkemode8128 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367Not a fan of recruiting from prisons. If Ukraine does it, I hope they dont mislead men like Russia has done (telling them they will be away from the front line, then sending them to the front line). I hope they stay honest about it and these men know what theyre getting into.

  • @juicedk00laid44
    @juicedk00laid44 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    “Illegal Ammunition” - sounds like he’ll be selling his gear on black market😂

  • @johnbeans2000
    @johnbeans2000 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +111

    The only negative thing here is that they want to form a battalion of only inmates. That is not smart... they should be distributed in all areas and not only with other former inmates...
    It will only create a "us" within' the army... inevitably they will complain about being only used for bad assignments or isolated...
    They should be like any other soldier...

    • @whajablah
      @whajablah 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      I would agree with you in theory, but penal units have traditionally not mixed well with professional soldiers. You also just can't trust them to hold the line in the same way you can trust a properly motivated soldier. I do agree, however, that they should be respected and not used as cannon fodder. More dissent in the ranks is not what Ukraine needs right now, and these people can be very valuable if trained and supported properly.

    • @jeffGordon852
      @jeffGordon852 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They are cannon fodder, we all know it

    • @jonathanjacob5453
      @jonathanjacob5453 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I think that we are generally dealing with people of low moral character here. It would be best to not have their attitudes infect other soldiers.

    • @laurynas.k
      @laurynas.k 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jonathanjacob5453 at the end they will be forced to be just another soldier, but if you form separate unit, than it will be problem eventually, it become some sort of mobile prison

    • @scarymonsterrs
      @scarymonsterrs 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Horrible idea, 20k is enough to have their own units and even if there wasn't you don't mix them in with regular soldiers.

  • @Onatyrade
    @Onatyrade 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +72

    some prisoners can be redeemed through war but I would be careful in selection.

    • @John-rr9su
      @John-rr9su 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      No one was saying that when russians were doing it lol But yah you are right

    • @saber8156
      @saber8156 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dirlewanger

    • @pevebe
      @pevebe 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@saber8156 :)

    • @spacewargamer4181
      @spacewargamer4181 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@John-rr9suThey did it in 2022 tho, just when their big invasion started and they were "winning", just like they are "winning" now. So no surprise why people think it was stupid and a low move that left their intentions and real situation cristal clear.

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The military are careful in selecting prisoners for their units

  • @mohf5
    @mohf5 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +71

    Remember what a terrible thing this was when it was a russian policy?

    • @abracadabra6203
      @abracadabra6203 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      read the article idiot. POV's, not criminals

    • @Redl1me_
      @Redl1me_ 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      The video literally states that inmates with violent and serious crimes are still not allowed to join, it's for inmates with lighter sentences to redeem themselves. Literally when the Ukrainians interviewed captured Wagner fighters some of the Russian convict confessed that they were rapist and murderers, the worse of the worse.

    • @SimonTmte
      @SimonTmte 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      The Russian policy was for people to serve a given time period and be given freedom, regardless of them being mass murderers and cannibals, everyone can imagine the issues that arise with this, which has been demonstrated in reality with the same people who got released again committing terrible crimes..In this case not only aren't the prisoners convicted of particilarly serious crimes, but Ukrainian military does also not operate with this limited time period in service

    • @zin.nesis1
      @zin.nesis1 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Just read the title huh? XD

    • @poppystars9005
      @poppystars9005 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Lots of hypocrisy in this war.

  • @teblack2
    @teblack2 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    2.5 years of jail or indefinitely serve in the front lines, very good incentive there :/

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The people decide themselves as free people what to do. Prisoners have an opportunity now, and if they want to join the army, they apply and go serving if deemed fit

    • @teblack2
      @teblack2 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@AlexanderKhrebet I totally agree with you, I'm only saying that I see the form the plan is implemented is a bit “not attractive” to put it in some way and I highly doubt how many people will be captivated in this

    • @sguploads9601
      @sguploads9601 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AlexanderKhrebet they are forced. That s only logical explanation. if Ukraine catch people on street for conscription and there are thousnds of videos about it, what changes these prisoners are not forced? zero

    • @CloudChaser_83
      @CloudChaser_83 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@sguploads9601 The video never said they’re being forced.. Stop the lies comrade.

    • @hypnomarket8649
      @hypnomarket8649 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's better to be in prison than to die in a meat attack

  • @T_Boz1
    @T_Boz1 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    I know Ukraine needs boots on the ground. However, I hope these prisoners do not betray Ukraine.

    • @yvonnetomenga5726
      @yvonnetomenga5726 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Given that non-prisoners have betrayed Ukraine, it won't surprise me if some prisoners do.

    • @jimbob465
      @jimbob465 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ukraine is as corrupt as anyone. These "criminals" could be completely innocent or just hold beliefs the current regime deems criminal...

    • @samdowner1792
      @samdowner1792 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Be quiet imbecile

    • @samdowner1792
      @samdowner1792 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Who is this ugly repulsive excuse for a woman sending these idiots off to die for American corporations?
      Want to know who the corrupt jew zalensky successfulsocieties.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toruqf5601/files/BlackRock.pdf works for ?

  • @user-yc4xf8cv5y
    @user-yc4xf8cv5y 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    The way to hell 🔥🔥🔥🔥💀

    • @GnosticAtheist
      @GnosticAtheist 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Not as long as they screen prisoners no. If someone is in jail for economic crime or other non-violent offenses, their release is not going to cause a major spike in violent crime.

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Russia's war is hell, and these people are going to help Ukraine to get rid of this hell.

    • @Rockefeller.69
      @Rockefeller.69 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@GnosticAtheistlots of other people in these comments saying "all criminals are terrible lunatics", it's nice to see you saying the opposite. Slava Ukraine from Texas

  • @DominikGentener
    @DominikGentener 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Thank you for this report. Your content is really great.

    • @oliveryt7168
      @oliveryt7168 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I hope you're on the frontline, hero ^^

  • @jameslynch7826
    @jameslynch7826 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    It was common place in the uk up until the 70s for a magistrate to offer a young offender convicted of minor offences the chance to enlist and avoid conviction.
    Many of them stayed and served their 22 years.
    Sadly young people today would not last 5 minutes
    They cannot take discipline or not being able to say the word No.

    • @John-mf6ky
      @John-mf6ky 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It was the same in the US

    • @Litheon11
      @Litheon11 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Young people are fighting and dying in Ukraine every day! What are you talking about young people can't do this or can't do that! Very rich coming from the boomer generation who have had everything given to them and pulled up the ladder behind them. I'm so sick of people with this attitude.
      When push comes to shove, millennials have to fix all the problems that boomers were too cowardly to even face, starting with Russia and climate change.

    • @ziggy8036
      @ziggy8036 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY ARE FIGHTING IN THE ARMED FORCES AND DYING RIGHT NOW. SHUT YOUR MOUTH

  • @ob_dowboosh
    @ob_dowboosh 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The irony is the surname "Netavrovanyi" means "unbranded" (wasn't subjected to branding) but he has gone down despite that.

  • @KirenKK-te7pb
    @KirenKK-te7pb 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Suitable convicts appropriately truth tested and psyche analysed ( instead of rabble roused) could become effective patriotic soldiers.

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Everyone could become a good soldiers. And thise prisoners whi applied to join the army are already patriotic

  • @mukenditshibangu6653
    @mukenditshibangu6653 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    FROM PRISON TO THE GRAVE.

  • @IrenESorius
    @IrenESorius 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Thank you kindly KI for your reporting,, 🇸🇪💞🇺🇦

    • @kyivindependent
      @kyivindependent  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you for watching, and for your support!

  • @mickgof
    @mickgof 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Prisoners during war not prisoners of war!

    • @jorwilson1781
      @jorwilson1781 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ww2 do a history back tra k kn prisoners of war before uk and russia start gain ground against the nazi all these concentration camps were full or soldier no Jews but uk and usa created propaganda to push jews into a rich oil land after hitler found a huge oil sources usa wanted to control

  • @jameslynch7826
    @jameslynch7826 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I understand there are strict conditions for selection.
    They are not stupid.

    • @nemanjaljubicic5282
      @nemanjaljubicic5282 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They are, dude west make them fight with Russia, ofc they are stupid.

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes

  • @Bobbadobbadole
    @Bobbadobbadole 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Very interesting. Thank you for this reporting. I am proud to be a supporter of KI and encourage anyone who likes independent Ukrainian journalism to join as a member. Слава Україні!

    • @beachbum77979
      @beachbum77979 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Героям слава!

  • @user-zh9fg6hd7n
    @user-zh9fg6hd7n 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I think good chance.. anyway after jail if he mobilized, there is no point to be in jail 😮

  • @darthplagueis3488
    @darthplagueis3488 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Well if there’s one thing Russia and Ukraine now have in common: using convicts to fight their wars

  • @simontemplar404
    @simontemplar404 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    People go to prison to prevent them from committing further crime and to attempt to reform them from committing further crime. Arguably being mobilised provides both functions. So this might be a good thing for Ukrainian society to do.

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Prisoners are in prisons to serve term for their felonies. Now they have a possibility to serve and get redemption in another way

  • @thornil2231
    @thornil2231 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I THOUGHT IT WAS THE RUSSIANS WHO WERE DOING THAT... WILL THEY ALSO BE ARMED WITH SHOVELS?

  • @chaseheath1750
    @chaseheath1750 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s crazy that a country is bragging about using prisoners in war because they have lost so many of there army and civilians fighters that they are forced to let criminals fight

  • @christiankammer2379
    @christiankammer2379 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    This seems like a good program. Well done, Ukraine. I wish every participating convict good luck. Be brave.

    • @glintongordon6811
      @glintongordon6811 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Where was this energy when Russia was doing it

    • @Adsjabo
      @Adsjabo 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@glintongordon6811 the Russians did it completely different and you know it. They literally took any one regardless of the severity of their crimes and then let them back into society after 6 months where many committed serious crimes again

  • @richardtodd6559
    @richardtodd6559 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    lol…really professional military…no wonder their losing

  • @Wufei22
    @Wufei22 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    At least Ukraine screens and makes condition on who i eligible for joining the military

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      And these conditions are going to be ammended probably to expand the prisoners' categories who will be able join the army

    • @JM-pp9bu
      @JM-pp9bu 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      WHUT????????????????

    • @oliveryt7168
      @oliveryt7168 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sure, sure... ;)
      (The propaganda was successful)

  • @ToddandAmandaWilliams-bm8mi
    @ToddandAmandaWilliams-bm8mi 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I say if they are willing to fight for the country and prove that they will fight them sure why not

  • @Lonestar187
    @Lonestar187 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Desperation at best

    • @Fuck_Anime
      @Fuck_Anime 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      like ruzzia?

    • @yo2trader539
      @yo2trader539 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Prison time or joining the military wasn't rare in the US military either.

    • @wolfgangemmerich7552
      @wolfgangemmerich7552 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@yo2trader539 .... and the british.

    • @trotgun1563
      @trotgun1563 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      russias doing it ! what does that mean ??

  • @meinfaustkampf8221
    @meinfaustkampf8221 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Those who don't behave in society and end up in prison, need to redeem themselves, a penal unit serves that purpose, at least it brings some value and purpose to their lives, they could also be military equipment maintainer's or work on logistics in the frontlines. In the US we have around 1.9 million in prison, we should draft legislation and send .9 million to help out in the front lines.

  • @Cleobonny6
    @Cleobonny6 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice videos

  • @tobeforgottenisworsethande8995
    @tobeforgottenisworsethande8995 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Two and a half years for possession of ammunition. They deserve to be invaded with laws like that

  • @MrDanboyd3
    @MrDanboyd3 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Perfect way to empty your prisons but when they return is when the problems start

    • @GD-tn3ez
      @GD-tn3ez 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don’t think they’ll be returning

  • @zoecolquitt1355
    @zoecolquitt1355 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have to ask the questions to the prisoners: did serving time made u reflect back on what you did

  • @hazzardgaming405
    @hazzardgaming405 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    WAIT I HEARD THIS ONE BEFORE LOL!

  • @uberdriver8743
    @uberdriver8743 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This program is twofold:1; it's a means of redemption for the inmates and 2; it's a good use of a very valuable resource that would otherwise go to waste

  • @alexandreturgeon9831
    @alexandreturgeon9831 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    It’s sad that “drug delivery” is considered a crime that would put you in prison …

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Please, read the written story about this, there more details onto this drug delivery. The link is in the video description

    • @10MM-MAGAMAN-420
      @10MM-MAGAMAN-420 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Drugs are death. He's delivering death

    • @boringstuff1542
      @boringstuff1542 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He faced 12 years and only got 5 because he cooperated. At the same time some guy is only getting 14 years for double homicide. Sheesh. Silly priorities is not a sign of good morality.

  • @user-sz8km9dy5v
    @user-sz8km9dy5v 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    They had the nerve to chat 💩 about Wagnar 🤢

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Read the full story, there is about Wagner and Russian approach to conscript prisoners. The link is the video description

    • @XiJayPeg
      @XiJayPeg 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AlexanderKhrebethypocrisy

    • @10MM-MAGAMAN-420
      @10MM-MAGAMAN-420 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@XiJayPegilliteracy

    • @ruskypetrovsky1084
      @ruskypetrovsky1084 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There is a big difference..Wagner has been doing it first for years,,Ukraine are looking at only minor crimes committed by prisoners,,

  • @user-zt3yp4om7v
    @user-zt3yp4om7v 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    What's does that woman think she knows saying they are the first to adopt a legal mechanism for forcing convicts to the front line. Hasn't Putin been doing this??

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ukraine is not forcing prisoners to serve. This service is voluntary

  • @SeemoreDunkan
    @SeemoreDunkan 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Please be careful.. Sounds like a scary idea but yes, Selection. I hope.

    • @kyivindependent
      @kyivindependent  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, there's a strict selection process, and the inmates who commited heavy crimes like murder are not allowed to join. Read more in the story here: kyivindependent.com/inside-ukraines-prisoner-recruitment-efforts-to-bolster-front-line-troops/

  • @nicoanastasios1040
    @nicoanastasios1040 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

  • @Incorruptus1
    @Incorruptus1 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wanting to be Europeans and Members of the Union, as well as a member of NATO, than you know, that we will not, and shall not force prisoners into a army function. It is a hard rule. Yet voluntary is a different thing. But doing this for regression on punishments is a serious point. It is not a very pleasant nor correct way of dealing with lack on soldiers. As a European I say this is not the way. Yet hiring mercenaries is a different thing.

  • @Peter-kk6rg
    @Peter-kk6rg 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good idea

  • @user-tf3dt6wv3g
    @user-tf3dt6wv3g 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Europe should perhaps open up its prisons and prisoners to such ideas. For a mutual exchange. It would be just a more controlled or not french foreign legion. If nk enter the game then those numbers will need matching. It would also help on the tax side of things and pay itself self off based on results by such prisoners after the facts of they have been re kitted by Ukraine and paid for by a Ukrainian loan

  • @nikolajk5330
    @nikolajk5330 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2 years earlier, everyone forgot? I think this proves the utter desperation on the Ukranian side. They simply have no more soldiers.

  • @benjawansirikul6622
    @benjawansirikul6622 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @ultrahp9921
    @ultrahp9921 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Oh wow how tables have turned.

  • @kazkazimierz1742
    @kazkazimierz1742 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I see lots of military age men from Ukraine in Edmonton.

  • @SOUL9531
    @SOUL9531 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For nation 👍️

  • @82ndGrunt
    @82ndGrunt 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    14 years for double homicide?

  • @Incorruptus1
    @Incorruptus1 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It would be breaking a settlement between victims and verdicts, to punished according to a order of a judge, sometimes multiple, and resettling that into a army contract, is a Russian method. But we do not allow this. As a European I say this is not the way. Yet hiring mercenaries is a different thing, but for a set and sound recognition, not a bail out of jail.

    • @kyivindependent
      @kyivindependent  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Please read the full story here. The video also emphasizes that inmates receive parole - not that their sentence is lifted. kyivindependent.com/inside-ukraines-prisoner-recruitment-efforts-to-bolster-front-line-troops/

    • @Incorruptus1
      @Incorruptus1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kyivindependent Than it is temporary mercenaries, with a frozen sentence and paused sentence. Which is what I stated clearly, that is excluded from EU law. So ... like I said?! Go ahead, but make sure there is no mistakes made, since these will count dreadfully. It will be hard to point to Russia doing the same things, when you do them yourself as well. ICC will take in to account when this construction is misused. And as Ukraine you would not want that to happen. Last not least, why not hire mercenaries from befriended nations? Why so difficult? Why not just ask supporting nations, to be able to market and request for interested people to join the Ukraine Foreign Forces? Why so...difficult and non constructive, why seeking solutions so close to criminal structures? Because it is easy? You know what easy is, is to talk about this issue with political leaders, request them to leave you free to market for soldiers or military help etc, in their nations, posters in bus stops all over EU and befriended nations. I would not mind those, since that would simply be legal...specially when you hand them a same training for the same time, and let them pass through your armies as equals, with equal opportunity and not use them as quick fix/cannon fodder, than what would be against it? Ask for the freedom to do so, and you might get it. Hiring criminals as mercenaries, is definitely in what ever way, not a quick fix either. And this action here is leaning toward misuse, and will be misused, when you can not treat them equally, since after their service they will have to still answer to their frozen sentences, and therefore can not even receive the same treatments as any other soldier in your armies. So...do not even cross that line. Ask EU for better opportunities to market for soldiers amongst Europeans, and you might get the opportunity to ask them to join you. Good luck.

  • @kxng_k0Ng_
    @kxng_k0Ng_ 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ukraine is in total mobilization and they signed or passed a law for the people who left have to come back and they’ve been in marshal law for more than a year.

  • @Wavy_Gravy
    @Wavy_Gravy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This will end badly. Watch Buffalo soldiers.

  • @SuperGreatSphinx
    @SuperGreatSphinx 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pax
    The Goddess of Peace

  • @hircynowca8406
    @hircynowca8406 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    well what a great resocialization....

    • @oliveryt7168
      @oliveryt7168 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If you're dead, you're basically "resocialized".

  • @mukenditshibangu6653
    @mukenditshibangu6653 วันที่ผ่านมา

    THE END OF COMEDY IS IN NOVEMBER 2024.

  • @kxng_k0Ng_
    @kxng_k0Ng_ 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They already got 2 or 3 thousand rn ig there training.

  • @azaraba9716
    @azaraba9716 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Она это делает с 2014 годп

  • @kxng_k0Ng_
    @kxng_k0Ng_ 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The mobilized people gets 15 days of training in Ukraine the prisoners get 2 o 3 months but we will see.

  • @wincentywiewiorczak4114
    @wincentywiewiorczak4114 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How many ukrainian oligarch are on front?

  • @mrblackard
    @mrblackard 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Taking one out of Russia's playbook eh

  • @user-wi1de7wz5k
    @user-wi1de7wz5k 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The remaining prisoners. Seems like that all prisoners are not deadlines yet. Over 30k prisoners were released last year year to fight against Russia....

  • @khushalbakht3139
    @khushalbakht3139 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Western are comfortable in their home

    • @jakelaurent6
      @jakelaurent6 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes we are. We wish Russia didn't launch a full scale invasion of a country to disrupt world peace.

    • @beachbum77979
      @beachbum77979 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      And russians are comfortable as they can be in their homes.

    • @killawhale2236
      @killawhale2236 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So? You want us to die for you cowards?

    • @PraneshSacher
      @PraneshSacher 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@beachbum77979 unfortunately they do not stay in their home they go even in other countries to murder, steal washing machines, rape women, steal children and occupy their land.

    • @nibblerseven
      @nibblerseven 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Vatniks could be comfortable in their homes too, if they stayed home

  • @CeylonLastMile
    @CeylonLastMile 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    when Russia did this all criticized it.

    • @GnosticAtheist
      @GnosticAtheist 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, and now Russia is paying for it because they didnt screen anyone. Murderers and rapists, not out on the streets causing major crimes. Ukraine on the other hand only takes non-violent criminals. Its a major difference.

    • @azaraba9716
      @azaraba9716 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Торнадо, например

    • @mortyabc
      @mortyabc 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Relax Putin lover, watch the clip one more time. And MAYBE u will notice the different approach of recruiting convicts in Ukraine vs Russia

    • @dmitryletov8138
      @dmitryletov8138 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@mortyabc I see on TG how Ukrainians just being grabbed forcefully from the streets to military, this happens constantly... and I don's see any reports about this in any Western news media.
      There are around 10 thousands videos available where you can easily recognize streets of Ukrainian cities.
      You're brainwashed

    • @kyivindependent
      @kyivindependent  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You may read the full story here, it highlights the differences: kyivindependent.com/inside-ukraines-prisoner-recruitment-efforts-to-bolster-front-line-troops/

  • @stojanceristov
    @stojanceristov 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sad where us politics enter only death and sorrow comes
    💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

  • @furtrapper11
    @furtrapper11 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A chiropractor serving 3 years in prison for having "illegal" ammunition is offered parole if he'll volonteer to be cannon fodder. Ukraine justice system sucks.

  • @Mac-ix4qp
    @Mac-ix4qp 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    In the US we use prisoners who are willing to be trained and fight wildfires. I know Ukraine is intelligent enough to not send them in 'meat waves' so I am guessing some are waiting to see how it goes.

    • @AlexanderKhrebet
      @AlexanderKhrebet 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Only Russia uses meat grinder assaults without considering the loses

    • @paulthomas-hh2kv
      @paulthomas-hh2kv 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Jeffrey Sachs interview. Nato enlargement and Russian resistance

    • @nibblerseven
      @nibblerseven 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@paulthomas-hh2kvNATO "expansion" came through voluntary application of each member nation. The muscovites don't get to dictate what other nations do.

  • @MichaelRothschild-yg3hx
    @MichaelRothschild-yg3hx 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Subscribed

    • @thonmawumdap9700
      @thonmawumdap9700 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hello can I have little time of your time

    • @kyivindependent
      @kyivindependent  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Welcome to our community 🤗

  • @orion3253
    @orion3253 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We should have done more for Ukraine. If we had helped them build their military earlier this war either would have been much shorter or if they had a strong enough deterring force the invasion would never have been attempted. I hope that we are still able to make a difference and help Ukraine win this war, but I feel ashamed that my government may have failed horribly as a partner and an ally long before the full scale invasion began in 2022: the willful ignorance of Bush Jr., the state of denial under Obama, the apathy and opportunism under Trump, and the half measures and embarrassments under Biden.

  • @user-ep3ed5jd7q
    @user-ep3ed5jd7q 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    God bless Ukraine and the brave warriors. This sounds like a truly healing-by-ennobling imprisoned men and women desiring to turn their lives around for the betterment of us all. Bravo to the heroes.🌻❤🌻❤🌻❤🌻❤🌻❤🌻❤🌻❤🌻❤🌻❤

  • @simonedwards3577
    @simonedwards3577 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    More canon fodder for the war machine.

  • @vonniofdoom5590
    @vonniofdoom5590 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Remember they clowned Russia for doing it lol

  • @fooleanperspective1426
    @fooleanperspective1426 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not only can we send Weapons but the west can also send our prisoners for Ukraine.

  • @user-xd1er7sg7z
    @user-xd1er7sg7z 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Illegal possession of ammunition, lol

    • @orion3253
      @orion3253 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes, it is something beyond irony.

  • @harryhole5786
    @harryhole5786 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Actually I was quite shocked that Russian soldiers that surrendered to German forces were treated as traitors. Many refused to be handled to Russians at the end of the war & finished straight away in a Gulag.

    • @dmitryletov8138
      @dmitryletov8138 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, you read to many US fairytales about Soviets.
      While the fact is that US were still sterilizing ingenious women in 1970s starting from 13yo girls. And this IS a fact.

  • @matthoskin3572
    @matthoskin3572 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Please Ukraine, you are making yourselves look like those effing monsters, Russia!

    • @oliveryt7168
      @oliveryt7168 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      lol.. you're so naive... if you think Ukraine was so much better than Russia, you were wrong..

  • @deecee1522
    @deecee1522 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    SLAVA UKRAINI❤‍🔥

    • @beachbum77979
      @beachbum77979 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Heroyam Slava !!

  • @georgegeorgakopoulos5956
    @georgegeorgakopoulos5956 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is this state or privately owned prisons?

    • @kyivindependent
      @kyivindependent  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In Ukraine, all the prisons are state-owned.

  • @antlife1930
    @antlife1930 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    Lol😂 Russia do it it was a problem but now it's a good thing what a joke these people are

    • @dimolto731
      @dimolto731 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      the difference is what sort of convicts will be sent

    • @MrLu4o
      @MrLu4o 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@dimolto731 How you know what sort of convicts will be sent ? :D

    • @yvonnetomenga5726
      @yvonnetomenga5726 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@MrLu4o• The report listed which convicts will NOT qualify and gave examples of convicts that DO qualify. Maybe you should rewatch the video if you missed that information.

    • @yvonnetomenga5726
      @yvonnetomenga5726 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @antlife1930 • Russia took anyone from prison, including murderers and rapists. Ukraine specifically excludes them from this program.
      Russia did not train its prisoners and didn't give them much equipment. Ukraine plans to and appears to have the resources and motivation to do so.
      I don't know how much you keep up with Russian news, but ever since the Wagner group released the first eligible prisoners, the crime rate in Russia has gone up, including rape. Russia's crime problems aren't widely reported, but I see new reports every couple of months.
      Another difference is that Ukraine is testing the program with a smaller number of prisoners than Russia did. A sample will allow Ukraine the chance to modify the program, something Russia never did.

    • @MrLu4o
      @MrLu4o 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@yvonnetomenga5726 Your source ? Proof ? Or its - Trust me bro ? 😃

  • @deadmanslastwish
    @deadmanslastwish 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    bad idea

  • @user-yc4xf8cv5y
    @user-yc4xf8cv5y 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    💀💀💀🔥🔥😀😀😀😀😀

  • @operator9858
    @operator9858 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    Wouldnt be a big deal except...russia did this and everyone lost their minds about it.

    • @StormSongs7
      @StormSongs7 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Did ruZZia just take anyone straight out of prisons or did they do any kind of screenings on who was chosen?
      Honest question.

    • @operator9858
      @operator9858 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@StormSongs7 to my understanding it was only select prisoners. Dont think the option was open to violent offenders etc. Most countries tend to be fairly selective for such kinds of things for obvious reasons.

    • @StormSongs7
      @StormSongs7 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@operator9858
      I’m not sure I asked correctly.
      I’d be fairly confident Ukraine would screen prisoners but wasn’t sure if ruZZia just took anyone for their military during this war.
      Don’t know if that’s any clearer.

    • @Vixctor13
      @Vixctor13 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's because they recruited murderers and rapists.

    • @yvonnetomenga5726
      @yvonnetomenga5726 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@StormSongs7• Russia took murderers and rapists. Ukraine excludes them.

  • @vicparmi1939
    @vicparmi1939 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ukraine copied the russian style of prisoners joining the war.

    • @orion3253
      @orion3253 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This is actually much closer to the way prisoners have been recruited into the military in the United States.

    • @dmitryletov8138
      @dmitryletov8138 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@orion3253very minor difference, don't lie

    • @orion3253
      @orion3253 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dmitryletov8138 Look up the Ukrainian policy and compare it to what the Russians did.

  • @poppystars9005
    @poppystars9005 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Remember when Kiev and the west were shaming Russia for the same thing? Oh the hypocrisy.

    • @nibblerseven
      @nibblerseven 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You know, the muscovites could have fixed their manpower shortage by going back home.

  • @thekampunews405
    @thekampunews405 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    🇰🇭🇰🇭❤️🇺🇦🇺🇦🙏

  • @samueldegraft2113
    @samueldegraft2113 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    The west criticized Russia when it did it 😂😂if you can’t beat them just join them. Double standards

    • @melgibsonmovie
      @melgibsonmovie 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Because Russia was getting everyone, even the most serious crime ones, clearly you didn't watch fully, because there's a lot of restrictions for who can do this.

    • @simontemplar404
      @simontemplar404 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The West criticised Russia for recruiting murderers and rapists without any discrimination about whether they had the potential for release back into society. A lot of them did get back into society and committed more crimes. Ukraine are being careful about who they recruit so are not subject to the same derision.

    • @Baraxes
      @Baraxes 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@melgibsonmovieand did you watch the video of russias selection of prisoners, no you didn't so you will stay here and spread misinformation
      Russia didn't pick people with atrocious crime, and every prisoner who went there went voluntarily. Go look for the video and watch it.
      The recruiter even told them that most of them will die, he also told them it is not an easy job and they should quit now if they don't want to go.

    • @MrLu4o
      @MrLu4o 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@melgibsonmovie How you know what Russia did ? Only dumb people talk without clue ..🤒

    • @glintongordon6811
      @glintongordon6811 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@melgibsonmovieRussia did no such thing... Russia sends all it's bad criminals to black dolphin, they don't do recruiting from there

  • @ekowahyudiefendi7107
    @ekowahyudiefendi7107 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Clowns own Wagner😅

  • @negombo36degrees
    @negombo36degrees 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Was it not this that West and Ukraine complained Russia about using Wagner :-)???????

    • @mortyabc
      @mortyabc 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Relax Putin lover, watch the clip one more time. And MAYBE u will notice the different approach of recruiting convicts in Ukraine vs Russia

    • @negombo36degrees
      @negombo36degrees 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mortyabc So i am a putin lover cos i mention the truth?

  • @the_regulator1145
    @the_regulator1145 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hahahahahahahahah. Ukraine is totally winning guys.

  • @user-zh9fg6hd7n
    @user-zh9fg6hd7n 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    And can save money for inmates too😮

    • @teblack2
      @teblack2 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Arguably they need to pay them when they start serving, and I'm imaging that average salary of a soldier is higher than a prisoner cost. Of course, if they receive a salary at all

  • @sguploads9601
    @sguploads9601 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    they are forced. That s only logical explanation. if Ukraine catch people on street for conscription and there are thousnds of videos about it, what changes these prisoners are not forced? zero. Basically - this video is just poor propoganda to hide it.

  • @CloudChaser_83
    @CloudChaser_83 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ukraine is being much smarter than Russia in selecting prisoners.. Yes they committed crimes but it doesn’t mean that they are not a proud Ukrainians. I don’t see this as going as bad as it did with Russia. I would integrate them in regular units though. Give them good training, treat them no differently than other soldiers.. give them hope. Show them redemption.

    • @jirehrophe
      @jirehrophe 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      😂😂😂

    • @dmitryletov8138
      @dmitryletov8138 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why do you believe to Ukrainian propaganda? Can you answer this question?

    • @russiantrollonthegoodside
      @russiantrollonthegoodside 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@dmitryletov8138уж всяко лучше, чем российская пропаганда

  • @angmori172
    @angmori172 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So about half a months worth of casualties for them

  • @stormtrooper2170
    @stormtrooper2170 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Always doing wrong to the country. For once do something right for your country.👈👍🙂

  • @Chaldon-hl6yk
    @Chaldon-hl6yk 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ukraine recruits prisoners for war since 2022 February - surprise.

  • @gilerarunner3358
    @gilerarunner3358 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How hypocrite, just LMAO.

  • @locosychocrazy1
    @locosychocrazy1 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Did Russia do this? And didnt everyone think it was dumb and desperate? So, what makes it any different here? Just asking.

    • @yvonnetomenga5726
      @yvonnetomenga5726 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Russia took anyone, including murderers and rapists. Ukraine excludes them.
      Russia gave little to no training. Ukraine is giving 2 months.
      Russia didn't give full kit to its prisoners. Some didn't have rifles. Some only 2 clips/magazines. Ukraine appears able to equip its prisoners.

    • @TwoChin
      @TwoChin 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@yvonnetomenga5726 yummy propaganda, ukraine has slaughtered their youth and will lose the war.

    • @lordrichard64
      @lordrichard64 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@yvonnetomenga5726 That's not true, that's simply propaganda.

    • @glintongordon6811
      @glintongordon6811 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@yvonnetomenga5726source for your information... And don't make it any of the sources that told us about ghost of Kyiv

    • @glintongordon6811
      @glintongordon6811 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@yvonnetomenga5726ukraine can't equip it's good soldiers, they are begging for aid

  • @vikingwarlord2453
    @vikingwarlord2453 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mmmmmm so let me get this right Wagner does it bad Ukraine army does it good lol

  • @liongordel9088
    @liongordel9088 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Something strange is happening to US/Nato MQ 4C Trident spy drones in the Black Sea. One went down due to malfunction and another was struck by lightning. 2 Black Hawks were sent from Romania to investigate.

  • @user-fg5wz4me4b
    @user-fg5wz4me4b 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This is not a forced shove into military!
    This a chance for Ukrainian pride to rise and to help people to fight for their freedom and Country !! Bless them !
    SLAVA UKRAINE !

    • @hypnomarket8649
      @hypnomarket8649 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Zombies completed

    • @rafaljim9145
      @rafaljim9145 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They will fight for american military industrial complex and blackrock😅😅

    • @rommelb.8070
      @rommelb.8070 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      its all about $60B 😂

    • @user-fg5wz4me4b
      @user-fg5wz4me4b 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's better than supporting Putin and his car collection and his American motorcycle collection !! He's like ringworm ,itchy and something you can't live with !

    • @fr0153
      @fr0153 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@user-fg5wz4me4bisnt zelensky the one begging and begging all the time. He is a parasite to ukraine idk how he is still in the picture.