My older sister, who doesn't even game, even loves White Mage. But she's biased because she's an actual doctor. She was first introduced to the concept of WHM way back when I was playing FF1 on NES in the early 90's. She never got into playing the game, but she really dug the WHM's sprite. Many MANY moons later after we had both grown up, I offered to cover her Halloween costume one year. By then she was a nurse pursuing her doctorate and I got her a staff and WHM robe to wear to a Halloween party. I did my best to cobble together a Paladin costume so I could be her tank(this was 05, at the height of my FFXI addiction). It worked perfectly, as she was a nurse and I was cop. Healer and protector. She loved how I fit that together. 16 years later, and she still has that old robe in a jersey frame in her house, hung on the wall with the picture of us at that party. I recently got my 15 yr old niece into FFXIV and she started as WHM. I imagine that choice was at least influenced by that display in her family room.
When you said tank I got ffxi flashbacks man. I had a 75 smn/rdm (later 99 smn/rdm) Mithra. The game is still alive! I need to re install it again just haven't gotten to doing it. So I still played until a year ago
No joke man ha! I fought the Adamantoise at level 67... it was a 3 hour fight, had 99 elixir, potion, high potions etc... legitimately used the very last healing item then had to somehow survive the next 7 minutes it took to kill it! Was my first try so I got extremely lucky lol
There is another detail about Yuna, her clothing resembles a miko attire, a kind of shamanic sacerdotise who are devoted to shintoist temples of Japan. And you know what colours they usually wear? Red and white, like white mages.
i was going to mention this as the possible reason white mage had red, because in ff1 white mages all appeared to be women, and the shrine maiden traditionally wore red and white clothes. this would also make sense with the dancer mix from revenent wings, as miko shamenism used ritual dances.
Well, after a moment I was being a PLD in ff14. I witnessed a WHM just charge ahead and started to tank and kill shit before I got there to hold aggro =.=
@@foxdavion6865 I always love a good boot to the face...or grone...or Shin....or big toe if I cannot reach the ones above. Or if PLD. A nice Shield to said areas. In the same order.
An interesting fact about FFXIV's white mage is that their Limit Break 3 is called Pulse of Life, which is a tribute and easter egg to Aerith's Limit Break 3. The animation shows the white mage kneeling and praying to Aerith's weapon.
@@Walamonga1313 wasn’t Balthier supposed to be the main character in FF12? I heard that somewhere, but then they changed the story to revolve around Vaan and his weird abs.
Just want to point out that in Tactics Advance 1 and 2 Bangaas also had a cleric type battle mage class called Bishop which while only able to use mid tier white and green magic was the only class that had access to the Holy offensive spell
So glad to have been able to help create this massive video :) Great work Darryl, Lauren, and Chris: we did it!! In case you're interested in a specific game/back here watching again ;), here's some timestamps for everyone: Intro - 0:07 Origins - 1:22 Final Fantasy 1 - 3:37 Final Fantasy 2 - 6:02 Final Fantasy 3 - 7:40 Final Fantasy 4 - 9:09 Final Fantasy 5 - 11:35 Final Fantasy 7 - 12:53 Final Fantasy Tactics - 15:28 Final Fantasy 9 - 17:52 Final Fantasy 10 - 19:54 Final Fantasy 11 Online - 21:29 Final Fantasy 10-2 - 25:17 Tactics A/A2/S/Crystal Defenders: Vanguard Storm - 26:02 Final Fantasy 12 - 27:43 Final Fantasy 12: Revenant Wings - 28:54 Final Fantasy 4: The After Years - 29:51 Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King/Dark Lord - 30:59 4 Heroes of Light - 31:40 Final Fantasy 13 - 32:58 Final Fantasy Dimensions - 33:32 Final Fantasy 14 Online (2.0 and on) - 34:24 Type-0/13-2/Lightning Returns/All the Bravest - 36:52 Final Fantasy Record Keeper - 37:34 Final Fantasy Explorers - 38:12 Mobius Final Fantasy/Brave Exvius - 39:00 War of the Visions: Final Fantasy Brave Exvius - 39:30 Final Fantasy 7 Remake - 40:49 Outro - 41:34 _(game for people in the comments: can you find my editing mistakes? I've found a couple already :P)_
I like how Final Fantasy XIV made Aero, Water, and Stone tied to White Mage instead of Black Mage. Usually Black Mages only get Fire, Blizzard, and Thunder anyway, so it's not a bad idea to give the healer job the ability to contribute to the damage as well when they have spare MP.
I remember playing the FF1 GBA remake and naming the party after me and my friends. One of them wasn't flattered that she was designated the white mage.
15:11 Aerith knowing about her death beforehand wildy speculative. "Noble sacrifices" are acts that're completed by a selfless hero/heroine in order to save (rescue) a person or group that are at risk of danger. She just got stabbed from behind with a sword while minding her own damn business, really.
I was surprised FF8 was skipped, since one Selphie's LB is an all party heal. Although he included instances where WHM is sometimes combined with other jobs like SMM, it would have been good to see how other healing jobs skills are combined also such as Scholar, Sage, Cleric and Astroloian.
It should also be noted that in XI, resurrection magic (especially Reraise) was exclusive to them and they brought back and expanded upon FF1's defensive spells, with the prefix "bar" - they generally granted resistance to various status ailments and elements. Love 11, by far the most comprehensive iteration of the Job system to date.
agree that XI does an amazing job of really showing what each job has to offer, but resurrection magic isn't exclusive to white mage. red mage, and scholar also have access to raise 1, summoner gets access to raise 2 and reraise 2 through caitsith as well as a reraise 3 type effect through caitsith's astral flow. scholar also gets raise 2 and 3 and reraise 2 and 3, but only white mage gets arise. white mage is also the only mage to gain access to cure 5 and 6 as well as fullcure later on. also white mages do have access to maces and hammers which wasn't noted in the video
I really wanted to get into XI precisely because of how well the FF jobs were represented, but unfortunately I found the game itself remarkably unenjoyable.
23:15 - Dont forget, when using benediction you are essentially sacrificing yourself for the rest of the party. The enmity gained from using Benediction would dwarf any/all enmity gained by the other party members, which basically just means when a WHM would use benediction the mob would target them and not stop attacking them until the WHM was dead. Usually the WHM would use it when its a guarantee they cant kill the mob, and they would just try their hardest to stay alive while the rest of the party ran away to avoid dying. It just goes back to your original point of the white mage sacrificing themselves in previous games. Just thought it was interesting! :)
His Eidolon is even Alexander, who's traditionally associated with the Holy element, and was associated with a White Mage in its last appearance in FFIX.
I never used Hope when you get access to that last chunk so I never saw that move. Gonna have to look it up. All I remember is Vanille had Death, Lightning had Army of One and Fang had Highwind
Hope also did high damage too though. He was kind of an omni mage with his main drawback being low hp and missing debuffs. Vanille however had low offense but good heals like a traditional white mage, except for the death part.
You were very wrong about FFXI. White Mage has access to all the best healing abilities only they can use. Full Cure, Reraise IV, Cura III, Curaga V, Cure VI, Protectra V, Shellra V, Sacrifice, Esuna....ect. Also Mind increases enfeebling potency of their spells.
scholar does gain access to quite a few of those through their stratagems. that can make pretty much any enhancing spell aoe, haste excluded, their shell and protect are included and they are at just a slightly lower potency to white mages. paladin actually gets a stronger protect now, and gets access to aoe healing. scholar gets esuna as well as most of the NA spell line. but yes, i agree there wasn't the best representation of XI in this video, but it wasn't a bad start
@@timepassesbyenothing beat white mage though. Their shell and protect had merit point boosts and their bar element spells made their mag def boost so much stronger. That stuff was so underrated and underused. And let's not forget auspice to lower enemy skills and their cure stoneskin with afflatus solace. They were so much more healing and buffed focused than sch. More reliable as primary healers too..since most bosses required burst healing or fast AOE heals.
@@Rtz89 So all of the points you made were completely valid. however, the way the game is now, scholar has certainly stolen some of whm's thunder. scholar geta an insane amount of sustained healing through regen and embrava, not to mention a much longer haste and the additional haste from embrava. I'm not in any way suggesting whm is bad, but they each have their preferred situations, much like how pld and run function for tanking. there are many fights that don't even use a whm because other jobs can supply the needed healing. Yes, those strats are more for veteran players, but in higher end content, whm is no longer your "only" option
Awesome and beautiful video folks. Thanks so much for this trip down memory lane. As someone who's been playing FF since the original NES title, this made me giddy and tear up all the same.
Loved the depth of information in this video! Can't wait for videos on Summoners and Black Knights. Also the Complete History of Moogles would be interesting.
In most games offensive time magic (stop etc) are associated with black mages and more defensive ones (haste etc) fall under white. Though slow was often under white magic too.
You forgot lunafreya in 15 she’s the only person in the world who can use healing magic rather than items and she always wears white. Plus the religious callback.
Fun fact! Devout and Seer have the same name in Japanese, alongside their similar designs, so I think it's fair to say they're the same class. Also, I think talking about Record Keeper white mages only in the generic units and not mentioning at least Elarra is an oversight. She brought pink back!
Glossed over some important stuff in FF13. I know it's an unpopular series, but dang. Vanille wears pink, uses binding rods as her weapons, and specializes in the Medic role, alongside Saboteur and Ravager. Naturally, she had one of the lowest HP stats. And to top it all off? She makes a noble sacrifice of herself twice in the FF13 trilogy. Hope might not wear pink, but his outfit bears the same color scheme as Porom from FFIV, in addition to being a child like Porom. He attacks with Boomerangs, similar to Eiko, Garnet, and Rosa using ranged weapons instead of being staff/rod locked. And he has the lowest HP of any character. Serah was a summoner, able to conjure monsters from crystals. She was more proficient in healing than Noel. And guess what? Serah sacrifices her life in the end. Man, I'm disappointed that the FF13 segments were so short. There was plenty worth mentioning. I kinda get the feeling you didn't play/research them that much.
White Mage ( together with Black Mage ) it's ALWAYS a must for me in Final Fantasy games with Job system, i can change all the other jobs comp but i never change both of them especially the White Mage. For Final Fantasy XIV White Mages are awesome as well, to me the best healer for Dungeons, Learn and Prog groups, also Afflatus Misery it's so satisfy to cast 🌷🌷🌷
I appreciate that despite the type of character Jack is, he still gets to use White Mage, although with the added benefit of this burly man beating enemies over the head with the club
It wasn't mentioned, but Aerith is also the one who used the "Holy" spell in FF7. Although Sephiroth may not be seen as a perfect black mage parallel with Meteor, I feel like this was a cool connection to older white mages.
Would love to hear about knights, its deviations and archetypes throughout the franchise or dragoons together with summoners would be a great discussion as well, a less tackled and under appreciated jobs.
Ever since you started this series I have been waiting for you to do the White Mage video. White Mages are my favorite. I love the heals and support abilities and Holy is always crazy powerful. The one thing I don't like about White Mages is their tendency (especially in earlier games) to get the "heroic death" treatment.
This is my favorite serie, seeing the evolution on the many jobs is so gratifying and entertaining! Also I had no idea just how much XIV had borrowed from XI, truly fascinating
Other than the Selphie (Full Cure & Wall as limit breaks, curing a Moomba during the story), Hope (Full ATB Skill screams "Holy", especially of the FFX variety + Alexander as eidolon), and Ovelia (who basically is Alma save for missing the Chant ability) erasure, great video on a job class close to my heart! Idea for a future video: I would argue it's worthwhile to look at villain examples as well. It was interesting to me how Yunalesca from FFX weaponizes healing spells against you by turning you into Zombies first.
Aw your music use is lovely especially tied to the topic at hand! My second favorite mage type but really close! I adore their design types and motifs.
For FFVI, I would argue, even if not a permanent party member, Banon can be considered a white mage due to having the pray command. Although it is unknown how he does it since magic isn't as widespread early in the game both gameplay and story-wise.
I hope they do more videos like this, I'd really like to see a video dedicated to Scholar, which is arguably the second primary "healer" in the franchise.
Amazing and comprehensive! You really delved into every nook and cranny. I will say, if you happen to read this, I'm a little sad that Pulse of Life was shared between Aerith and FFXIV's white mage lb3. The name and animation are almost 1 for 1.
There are so many meme about the white mage being indispensable. It's true but white mages can't win by themselves the other members deal out damage. If damage output is high enough then healing isn't needed.
I love these videos! They're great for long drives too. I know there might not be much substance, but please I would love a ninja / rogue video that's mostly my favorite
FF3 NES White Mage is my favorite of all. The White spells Exit, Mini, and Toad didn’t work the way they did in battle like they did later on. In combat, these were kill spells. The time between the Water Crystal to the Earth Crystal, if you kept a White Mage the whole time they had a lot more MP for those low level Mini, Toad, and Exit spells and effective stats to cast it effectively. Once I realized that, the Dark Cave with the splitting enemies became a joke. Same can be done with the Black Mage’s Warp, but it was a higher level spell that was competitive with Fire 3 and Bio which you could do AoE damage with. Anyway, great vid! And if a souls-like FF is true, then hopefully we can bring back the justice of a hammer smashing white mage! Edit: Some clarifications that weren’t mentioned: -In FF5, they had a unique staff called the Flail and Morning Star which dealt random damage, sometimes high, sometimes low making them better physical fighters than the Black Mage. Krile’s white mage outfit, the kitty cat costume, is a direct reference to the White Mage upgrade Devout. -In FFT (PS version), they were renamed Priest and commonly used as an enemy in when fighting the Glabados Church. Staves also dealt more damage than the Wizard’s rod. White Mages didn’t get to use flails as they were redefined as Axes. This is also where the white mage robes changed based on faction with the classical white/red used by the main party and the Nanten armies, green used by bandits, and blue used for allied Hokuten armies. Unique classes replaced the Squire class for unique characters, which is why Alma has access to Counter Tackle and other support abilities found amongst other unique classes. Since White Mage was renamed Priest, the more powerful versions were Holy Priest/Celebrant, Cleric, Princess as all spent time serving in the church. -FF2A’s Seer is directly related to the FF3 Devout class, being an upgrade to the White Mage having the exact same cat hood.
Small quibble. In the FF11 section you say that low intelligence and high mind as a stat controlling white magic hasn't been seen since FF3. The names are different, but in FF4 Wisdom and Will are two different stats, Wis controlling black magic and Will controlling white.
I like that mobile games were included in this video but I'm surprised (and a little bit disappointed) Fina was not mentioned as she is basically the white mage representative for Brave Exvius AND a main character. Also Ayaka is from Brave Exvius, not War of the Visions.
I play FFD20 a TTRPG and I am currently playing a white mage Lamia named Ellanya, she’s the only healer in the group and everyone loves her. For all the dps fighters she is the heaviest hitter though her vows prevent her from killing and living creature( makes for interesting roll play) she a typical healer very kind and compassionate even towards enemies with a thick accent for aesthetic. Definitely my most favorite character I’ve played
A little piece of trivia for White Mages in FFXIV, prior to the Stormblood expansion, white mages had an ability called cleric stance that would switch their mind stat with their intelligence stat so they could do more damage with their damaging spells. When Stormblood launched however, all spells that were casted by the healers would scale off of mind, regardless for what its purpose was.
in 14, Blue Mage actually gets a couple of white mage spells, like White Wind which just heals all nearby party members by however much health the caster had
Currently playing a game that doesn’t have a job system, but I have it setup so I basically have two tanks, a white healing mage, a black damage mage, and two supports. Aerith is my favorite white mage of all the FF games I have played.
Nice breakdown for most of it. You missed FF15. Lunafreya seemed to be based on a white mage archetype. For FF8 I always assumed Rinoa was based on a white mage as well, though more battle focused.
I feel like you missed a chance to talk about the clearest "Medics/ White Mage" of XIII/ XIII-2 Being Hope & Noel. Though Noel doesn't fit the White Mage look; narratively it works. Besides that, fantastic video!
That was not a flashback with garnet it's the present when you finally see her up close for the first time. She was trying to disguise herself in surprised with all your ff knowledge that you forgot that.
@@TheAzureGuardian I don't think XIV's version of DRK necessarily subverts that. There's still that brooding and edgy quality to it, especially on Sidurgu's character. The story is just handled in a more tactful and introspective manner, so it's more like... it adds some depth to the "brooding" rather than outright change it.
@@JJMomoida True, Fray and Sidurgu are pretty much all about seeking the Darkness for more power. But your character is like “we can find another way” by rejecting what Fray is trying to get you to do and helps Sidurgu find another path to power; protecting others (name Rielle). Then the 60 to 70 quest line is about confronting their past (Sidurgu getting to see his mentor one last time) and then your character accepting that Fray is a part of them due to the DRK Soul Crystal originally being theirs.
who knew one day the thing to do was make video essays about video games on youtube theres so many out there now and we just watchen em like it isnt strange at all lol
Love the video, didn’t think there be so much on white mage considering it’s so basic compared to most of the mages, btw could you guys maybe do one of these on the time mage or even the mysic knights?
For FF Tactics A2. The Seer does not replace the White Mage. The Seer only had Cura, Raise, Esuna. WM has Curaga, Arise and Refresh as upgrades. Seers did have the -ra level black magick and the all important spell, Magick Frenzy (Cast a spell and do a basic attack on all targets hit with the spell) and Recharge (gain a net of 20MP). Personally never used a Seer main but I did do a 2 battle mages. One was mainly physical, equipping two swords. The other mained as an illusionist, whose spells hit all enemy targets, then had two rods equipped as well.
I think Vanille was the White mage of the team, she is the only with a weapon that can enhance healing skills (and she was the person with most medic skills, one more than hope)..in the other hand, Hope can be considered like a white mage to (highest magic stat) and his summon is Alexander (who has all of the medic skills and the only one with holy element, exclusive of white mages)...anddd hope's ultimate skills looks literally like the classic Holy spell
And another detail, her unorthodox counters and abilities on that game are because of her time mage sub class. I think she also has green mage subclass but I'm not sure
I'm rewatching all the evolution class video, and i'd love to see an evolution of the ranged character in Final fantasy. It's a fringe archetype in final fantasy, but there are a lot of notable characters who fit the mold, with Vincent, Irvine, Yuffie, Wakka as well as some of the older OG jobs.
FF14's lore also describes the White Mage garb as being sacred vestments given to those who mastered white magic: the white symbolizing purity while the red traditional red trim represents the blood coursing through all living things.
I’d like to see a video on the tank classes. I don’t think there’s like a one good/obvious name for it but there examples in the franchise. FFXIV is full of them, but there’s also Auron from FFX and Snow (or the Sentinel role) from FFXIII. I think it might be a rarer thing in the franchise because it’s harder to make fun and to fit the mechanics into the game’s system, and that’s what makes me interested in learning more about it.
My older sister, who doesn't even game, even loves White Mage. But she's biased because she's an actual doctor. She was first introduced to the concept of WHM way back when I was playing FF1 on NES in the early 90's. She never got into playing the game, but she really dug the WHM's sprite.
Many MANY moons later after we had both grown up, I offered to cover her Halloween costume one year. By then she was a nurse pursuing her doctorate and I got her a staff and WHM robe to wear to a Halloween party. I did my best to cobble together a Paladin costume so I could be her tank(this was 05, at the height of my FFXI addiction). It worked perfectly, as she was a nurse and I was cop. Healer and protector. She loved how I fit that together. 16 years later, and she still has that old robe in a jersey frame in her house, hung on the wall with the picture of us at that party.
I recently got my 15 yr old niece into FFXIV and she started as WHM. I imagine that choice was at least influenced by that display in her family room.
Lovely.
So awesome!
that's such an awesome story. White Mage irl basically I like that. Your sister must be a nice lady.
When you said tank I got ffxi flashbacks man. I had a 75 smn/rdm (later 99 smn/rdm) Mithra. The game is still alive! I need to re install it again just haven't gotten to doing it. So I still played until a year ago
That is a wonderful story
you forgot the most important white mage of all: the potion in FF15
and FFX-2 lol the gun yuan
No joke man ha! I fought the Adamantoise at level 67... it was a 3 hour fight, had 99 elixir, potion, high potions etc... legitimately used the very last healing item then had to somehow survive the next 7 minutes it took to kill it! Was my first try so I got extremely lucky lol
That game was such a disappointment for mage lovers
I always saw Iris as the White Mage of the game, she keeps you healthy when she’s with ya.
@@Seraph821 that game was a disappointment for everyone with a brain.
There is another detail about Yuna, her clothing resembles a miko attire, a kind of shamanic sacerdotise who are devoted to shintoist temples of Japan. And you know what colours they usually wear? Red and white, like white mages.
Reimu from Touhou fit right in with her iconic white rope with red stripes but instead of healing, she wack people ...
i was going to mention this as the possible reason white mage had red, because in ff1 white mages all appeared to be women, and the shrine maiden traditionally wore red and white clothes. this would also make sense with the dancer mix from revenent wings, as miko shamenism used ritual dances.
This is 100% Western fantasy meets eastern shamanism. In fact, there are many jrpgs where the healer is a miko outright.
They heal, they protecc, they summon, and they wreck. Best class.
Well, after a moment I was being a PLD in ff14. I witnessed a WHM just charge ahead and started to tank and kill shit before I got there to hold aggro =.=
I'm a healer, but...
@@Qardo OP AoE stun ftw.
@@foxdavion6865 I always love a good boot to the face...or grone...or Shin....or big toe if I cannot reach the ones above. Or if PLD. A nice Shield to said areas. In the same order.
And they decimate with Holy
An interesting fact about FFXIV's white mage is that their Limit Break 3 is called Pulse of Life, which is a tribute and easter egg to Aerith's Limit Break 3. The animation shows the white mage kneeling and praying to Aerith's weapon.
Scholar and White Mage both shared that LB3 in A Realm Reborn before they reworked Limit Breaks in Heavensward. In fact, Bard also used it back then.
Her name is aeris. And her weapon was an umbrella.
@@shemyaza8934 Yeah...error on translation. Its actually aerith.
@@shemyaza8934 Japanese doesn't have an "th" phonetic sound so they use "s" as an equivalent. It's been long confirmed to be Aerith.
Larsa’s infinite potions in FFXII was by far the best broken healer imo.
Too bad they changed it in zodiac age
@@ellismanu9105 he still gets Cure and Cura and the MP to use it.
Larsa and Balthier were the best characters in the entire game. And Larsa was great even in gameplay.
If we're talking FF12 then it's all about that reverse.
@@Walamonga1313 wasn’t Balthier supposed to be the main character in FF12? I heard that somewhere, but then they changed the story to revolve around Vaan and his weird abs.
You missed a pretty key detail about Aerith, in that she had the holy materia!
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The must have of any party worth its salt. You can't kick your enemies' asses if you have a dead party.
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Then make the rest of the party strong as hell with adeque healing items.
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@@UnifiedEntity who would win? Magic or capitalism?
Exactly
Just want to point out that in Tactics Advance 1 and 2 Bangaas also had a cleric type battle mage class called Bishop which while only able to use mid tier white and green magic was the only class that had access to the Holy offensive spell
So glad to have been able to help create this massive video :) Great work Darryl, Lauren, and Chris: we did it!!
In case you're interested in a specific game/back here watching again ;), here's some timestamps for everyone:
Intro - 0:07
Origins - 1:22
Final Fantasy 1 - 3:37
Final Fantasy 2 - 6:02
Final Fantasy 3 - 7:40
Final Fantasy 4 - 9:09
Final Fantasy 5 - 11:35
Final Fantasy 7 - 12:53
Final Fantasy Tactics - 15:28
Final Fantasy 9 - 17:52
Final Fantasy 10 - 19:54
Final Fantasy 11 Online - 21:29
Final Fantasy 10-2 - 25:17
Tactics A/A2/S/Crystal Defenders: Vanguard Storm - 26:02
Final Fantasy 12 - 27:43
Final Fantasy 12: Revenant Wings - 28:54
Final Fantasy 4: The After Years - 29:51
Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King/Dark Lord - 30:59
4 Heroes of Light - 31:40
Final Fantasy 13 - 32:58
Final Fantasy Dimensions - 33:32
Final Fantasy 14 Online (2.0 and on) - 34:24
Type-0/13-2/Lightning Returns/All the Bravest - 36:52
Final Fantasy Record Keeper - 37:34
Final Fantasy Explorers - 38:12
Mobius Final Fantasy/Brave Exvius - 39:00
War of the Visions: Final Fantasy Brave Exvius - 39:30
Final Fantasy 7 Remake - 40:49
Outro - 41:34
_(game for people in the comments: can you find my editing mistakes? I've found a couple already :P)_
You mean, beside from touching on FFVIII at all? lol...
I like how Final Fantasy XIV made Aero, Water, and Stone tied to White Mage instead of Black Mage. Usually Black Mages only get Fire, Blizzard, and Thunder anyway, so it's not a bad idea to give the healer job the ability to contribute to the damage as well when they have spare MP.
Would also make sense for non-offense characters to have some means of damage for self defence as well.
It would be cool if they specialized in magic that does damage based on HP values, like the Balance spells that do Max HP - current HP = damage
Aero was part of white magic on ff3 as well
"Contribute to the damage when they have spare MP"
More like contribute to the damage when the party has spare HP lol
stone and aero are later upgraded to more holy looking spells of glare and dia and water is removed and replaced with fluid aura
I remember playing the FF1 GBA remake and naming the party after me and my friends. One of them wasn't flattered that she was designated the white mage.
Was she the only girl in your friend group? That might have been why
@@danichani33 Funnily enough, no. The other girl became an absolute unit of a monk.
@@torgan I imagine she'd have been far more upset with the receding hairline once she became a master then ;)
15:11 Aerith knowing about her death beforehand wildy speculative. "Noble sacrifices" are acts that're completed by a selfless hero/heroine in order to save (rescue) a person or group that are at risk of danger. She just got stabbed from behind with a sword while minding her own damn business, really.
It was implied but quite obvious
I was surprised FF8 was skipped, since one Selphie's LB is an all party heal. Although he included instances where WHM is sometimes combined with other jobs like SMM, it would have been good to see how other healing jobs skills are combined also such as Scholar, Sage, Cleric and Astroloian.
Man aint nothing like that clutch raise for the win, white mage best boi
Man, seeing those AD&D tables really takes me back.
I’m still about 2nd Ed ADnD.
That’s why I absolutely loved Yuna. She had Guardians but if they were struggling she’d jump in, summon an Aeon and DESTROY her enemies! 😂🥰❤️
I'd love to see Monk covered next. I imagine that's undergone a lot of evolution!
There's the White Monk that comes to mind, but yeah, the idea could be a decent investigation.
Tifa ...!!
It should also be noted that in XI, resurrection magic (especially Reraise) was exclusive to them and they brought back and expanded upon FF1's defensive spells, with the prefix "bar" - they generally granted resistance to various status ailments and elements.
Love 11, by far the most comprehensive iteration of the Job system to date.
agree that XI does an amazing job of really showing what each job has to offer, but resurrection magic isn't exclusive to white mage. red mage, and scholar also have access to raise 1, summoner gets access to raise 2 and reraise 2 through caitsith as well as a reraise 3 type effect through caitsith's astral flow. scholar also gets raise 2 and 3 and reraise 2 and 3, but only white mage gets arise. white mage is also the only mage to gain access to cure 5 and 6 as well as fullcure later on. also white mages do have access to maces and hammers which wasn't noted in the video
I love FFXI for its job system. It may not be the most balanced, but every job plays so differently.
@@timepassesbye Paladin also had access to raise.
@@kroznick1011 you are correct, i often forget this as you don't regularly see a pld use it
I really wanted to get into XI precisely because of how well the FF jobs were represented, but unfortunately I found the game itself remarkably unenjoyable.
23:15 - Dont forget, when using benediction you are essentially sacrificing yourself for the rest of the party. The enmity gained from using Benediction would dwarf any/all enmity gained by the other party members, which basically just means when a WHM would use benediction the mob would target them and not stop attacking them until the WHM was dead. Usually the WHM would use it when its a guarantee they cant kill the mob, and they would just try their hardest to stay alive while the rest of the party ran away to avoid dying.
It just goes back to your original point of the white mage sacrificing themselves in previous games. Just thought it was interesting! :)
FFVIII's Selphie crying in the corner, "I kind of white mage too, you know..."
More of a Sage really.
@@pn2294 Her Limit Breaks were probably the most White Mage, as I recall, but it'd be a nod at most.
I would say Hope is the FF13 equivalent of a White Mage based on his Full ATB skill “Last Resort” resembling FF10’s Holy spell.
His Eidolon is even Alexander, who's traditionally associated with the Holy element, and was associated with a White Mage in its last appearance in FFIX.
I never used Hope when you get access to that last chunk so I never saw that move. Gonna have to look it up. All I remember is Vanille had Death, Lightning had Army of One and Fang had Highwind
Hope also did high damage too though. He was kind of an omni mage with his main drawback being low hp and missing debuffs. Vanille however had low offense but good heals like a traditional white mage, except for the death part.
@@Blaisem Vanille mostly focused on debuffs and ailments, so she didn’t really need straight up damage
@@pn2294 right, and she could also heal. That's what makes her more white mage than Hope. Hope could actually deal damage. That's not a white mage.
You were very wrong about FFXI. White Mage has access to all the best healing abilities only they can use. Full Cure, Reraise IV, Cura III, Curaga V, Cure VI, Protectra V, Shellra V, Sacrifice, Esuna....ect.
Also Mind increases enfeebling potency of their spells.
scholar does gain access to quite a few of those through their stratagems. that can make pretty much any enhancing spell aoe, haste excluded, their shell and protect are included and they are at just a slightly lower potency to white mages. paladin actually gets a stronger protect now, and gets access to aoe healing. scholar gets esuna as well as most of the NA spell line. but yes, i agree there wasn't the best representation of XI in this video, but it wasn't a bad start
@@timepassesbyenothing beat white mage though. Their shell and protect had merit point boosts and their bar element spells made their mag def boost so much stronger. That stuff was so underrated and underused.
And let's not forget auspice to lower enemy skills and their cure stoneskin with afflatus solace. They were so much more healing and buffed focused than sch. More reliable as primary healers too..since most bosses required burst healing or fast AOE heals.
@@Rtz89 So all of the points you made were completely valid. however, the way the game is now, scholar has certainly stolen some of whm's thunder. scholar geta an insane amount of sustained healing through regen and embrava, not to mention a much longer haste and the additional haste from embrava. I'm not in any way suggesting whm is bad, but they each have their preferred situations, much like how pld and run function for tanking.
there are many fights that don't even use a whm because other jobs can supply the needed healing. Yes, those strats are more for veteran players, but in higher end content, whm is no longer your "only" option
Awesome and beautiful video folks. Thanks so much for this trip down memory lane. As someone who's been playing FF since the original NES title, this made me giddy and tear up all the same.
Loved the depth of information in this video! Can't wait for videos on Summoners and Black Knights. Also the Complete History of Moogles would be interesting.
Sweet, this style of video is one of my favorites! I’m glad to see you’re still doing them while working on the documentary
I would like to see a video about the Time Mages. I find them very interesting. Their focus on Support and damage Is rather unique
In most games offensive time magic (stop etc) are associated with black mages and more defensive ones (haste etc) fall under white. Though slow was often under white magic too.
You forgot lunafreya in 15 she’s the only person in the world who can use healing magic rather than items and she always wears white. Plus the religious callback.
Go for the Monk next.
Fun fact! Devout and Seer have the same name in Japanese, alongside their similar designs, so I think it's fair to say they're the same class. Also, I think talking about Record Keeper white mages only in the generic units and not mentioning at least Elarra is an oversight. She brought pink back!
Thanks Team FFU I love you guys bringing together and sharing the lore of Final Fantasy to the Fans of this beautiful series
Good work! I can't wait for the evolution of the sage video next. Considering the huge upgrade for the sage job is coming soon in XIV.
Glossed over some important stuff in FF13. I know it's an unpopular series, but dang.
Vanille wears pink, uses binding rods as her weapons, and specializes in the Medic role, alongside Saboteur and Ravager. Naturally, she had one of the lowest HP stats. And to top it all off? She makes a noble sacrifice of herself twice in the FF13 trilogy.
Hope might not wear pink, but his outfit bears the same color scheme as Porom from FFIV, in addition to being a child like Porom. He attacks with Boomerangs, similar to Eiko, Garnet, and Rosa using ranged weapons instead of being staff/rod locked. And he has the lowest HP of any character.
Serah was a summoner, able to conjure monsters from crystals. She was more proficient in healing than Noel. And guess what? Serah sacrifices her life in the end.
Man, I'm disappointed that the FF13 segments were so short. There was plenty worth mentioning. I kinda get the feeling you didn't play/research them that much.
White Mage ( together with Black Mage ) it's ALWAYS a must for me in Final Fantasy games with Job system, i can change all the other jobs comp but i never change both of them especially the White Mage.
For Final Fantasy XIV White Mages are awesome as well, to me the best healer for Dungeons, Learn and Prog groups, also Afflatus Misery it's so satisfy to cast 🌷🌷🌷
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG.bless you😘
I appreciate that despite the type of character Jack is, he still gets to use White Mage, although with the added benefit of this burly man beating enemies over the head with the club
It wasn't mentioned, but Aerith is also the one who used the "Holy" spell in FF7. Although Sephiroth may not be seen as a perfect black mage parallel with Meteor, I feel like this was a cool connection to older white mages.
LOVE seeing the Evolution of your channel and videos!
Would love to hear about knights, its deviations and archetypes throughout the franchise or dragoons together with summoners would be a great discussion as well, a less tackled and under appreciated jobs.
Ever since you started this series I have been waiting for you to do the White Mage video. White Mages are my favorite. I love the heals and support abilities and Holy is always crazy powerful.
The one thing I don't like about White Mages is their tendency (especially in earlier games) to get the "heroic death" treatment.
This is my favorite serie, seeing the evolution on the many jobs is so gratifying and entertaining! Also I had no idea just how much XIV had borrowed from XI, truly fascinating
Xi was much more complex than xiv... And more balanced.
Other than the Selphie (Full Cure & Wall as limit breaks, curing a Moomba during the story), Hope (Full ATB Skill screams "Holy", especially of the FFX variety + Alexander as eidolon), and Ovelia (who basically is Alma save for missing the Chant ability) erasure, great video on a job class close to my heart!
Idea for a future video: I would argue it's worthwhile to look at villain examples as well. It was interesting to me how Yunalesca from FFX weaponizes healing spells against you by turning you into Zombies first.
I was also thinking about hope when listening to this list
Aw your music use is lovely especially tied to the topic at hand! My second favorite mage type but really close! I adore their design types and motifs.
WHM, the other Main Mage of the series. I'm looking forward to this, so I'll be back at the end.
I love this video. I always wanted something like this. Thank you very much.
For FFVI, I would argue, even if not a permanent party member, Banon can be considered a white mage due to having the pray command.
Although it is unknown how he does it since magic isn't as widespread early in the game both gameplay and story-wise.
Always loved supporting others as WHM in both FFXI & FFXIV. Also, Yuna is best girl.
I hope they do more videos like this, I'd really like to see a video dedicated to Scholar, which is arguably the second primary "healer" in the franchise.
Amazing and comprehensive! You really delved into every nook and cranny.
I will say, if you happen to read this, I'm a little sad that Pulse of Life was shared between Aerith and FFXIV's white mage lb3. The name and animation are almost 1 for 1.
Probably a stupid question. Which game is the cutscene at 1:00 ?
It's the 3D Final Fantasy lll
Ignis had a "healing thing" in regroup lol
19:05 That wasn’t a flashback, though. It’s a scene from the beginning of the game.
by far the most underrated class.
Which is weird because of how useful it is.
By who? WHM has always been top tier/beloved.
@@Malacite i just mean in terms of classes that are lauded as "cool" or "awesome." it's not that deep, chill ffs
@@tiagocosmos fair enough lol.
Healers in general don't get the respect they deserve outside of MOBA and dedicated MMO players.
There are so many meme about the white mage being indispensable. It's true but white mages can't win by themselves the other members deal out damage. If damage output is high enough then healing isn't needed.
Mann, why do i suddenly feel emotional at the close of this video? @_@
Great video :D white mages were always high up my favorite classes list
I love how you decided to show the 4WhM vs Chaos fight from FF1 at the beginning, just when I started thinking of it.
I love these videos! They're great for long drives too. I know there might not be much substance, but please I would love a ninja / rogue video that's mostly my favorite
These videos are so amazing, great job and thank you 👍
You guys even found a way to include the Bayeux Tapestry. Love the granular style!
White Mages.
They Protecc,
They Attacc,
But most importantly,
They support the classes who pack a smacc.
One of my favorite classes. Thank you. Hope to see Dancer and Summoner, my other faves, soon.
FF3 NES White Mage is my favorite of all. The White spells Exit, Mini, and Toad didn’t work the way they did in battle like they did later on. In combat, these were kill spells.
The time between the Water Crystal to the Earth Crystal, if you kept a White Mage the whole time they had a lot more MP for those low level Mini, Toad, and Exit spells and effective stats to cast it effectively.
Once I realized that, the Dark Cave with the splitting enemies became a joke.
Same can be done with the Black Mage’s Warp, but it was a higher level spell that was competitive with Fire 3 and Bio which you could do AoE damage with.
Anyway, great vid! And if a souls-like FF is true, then hopefully we can bring back the justice of a hammer smashing white mage!
Edit: Some clarifications that weren’t mentioned:
-In FF5, they had a unique staff called the Flail and Morning Star which dealt random damage, sometimes high, sometimes low making them better physical fighters than the Black Mage.
Krile’s white mage outfit, the kitty cat costume, is a direct reference to the White Mage upgrade Devout.
-In FFT (PS version), they were renamed Priest and commonly used as an enemy in when fighting the Glabados Church. Staves also dealt more damage than the Wizard’s rod. White Mages didn’t get to use flails as they were redefined as Axes. This is also where the white mage robes changed based on faction with the classical white/red used by the main party and the Nanten armies, green used by bandits, and blue used for allied Hokuten armies.
Unique classes replaced the Squire class for unique characters, which is why Alma has access to Counter Tackle and other support abilities found amongst other unique classes. Since White Mage was renamed Priest, the more powerful versions were Holy Priest/Celebrant, Cleric, Princess as all spent time serving in the church.
-FF2A’s Seer is directly related to the FF3 Devout class, being an upgrade to the White Mage having the exact same cat hood.
"FF6 didn't really have a white mage"
(Shows footage of Banon using prayer/health)
So no mention of episode Ardyn????
I just got on the video, let's hope to see how my favorite class evolved
Awesome! I've been waiting on white mages since your video on the evolution of black mages video.
The aerith scene always gets me :'(
I loved how in Bravely Default they made the White Mage Asterisk Holder a sadist
White Mage is great! I love healers.
As for jobs I'd like to see in your future videos, I think the bard would be really interesting.
There the backbone of most rpgs is why people use them in there final partys
I daresay the White Mage has a rather iconic appearance, even being referenced in one of Robin's outfits even before Cloud joined the roster!
Small quibble. In the FF11 section you say that low intelligence and high mind as a stat controlling white magic hasn't been seen since FF3. The names are different, but in FF4 Wisdom and Will are two different stats, Wis controlling black magic and Will controlling white.
I like that mobile games were included in this video but I'm surprised (and a little bit disappointed) Fina was not mentioned as she is basically the white mage representative for Brave Exvius AND a main character. Also Ayaka is from Brave Exvius, not War of the Visions.
I would love to see your take on the paladin class! Keep up the great work it's up to great work
He has a Video Titled: Evolution of Paladins...👍
You can't just have Celes' theme playing when you're talking about Palom & Porom. It's too early to being cutting onions man.
I would love to see an evolution of the warrior/swordsmen class
I play FFD20 a TTRPG and I am currently playing a white mage Lamia named Ellanya, she’s the only healer in the group and everyone loves her. For all the dps fighters she is the heaviest hitter though her vows prevent her from killing and living creature( makes for interesting roll play) she a typical healer very kind and compassionate even towards enemies with a thick accent for aesthetic. Definitely my most favorite character I’ve played
A little piece of trivia for White Mages in FFXIV, prior to the Stormblood expansion, white mages had an ability called cleric stance that would switch their mind stat with their intelligence stat so they could do more damage with their damaging spells. When Stormblood launched however, all spells that were casted by the healers would scale off of mind, regardless for what its purpose was.
may your preferred and chosen deity bless your magnanimous and generous hearts for the A+ content
in 14, Blue Mage actually gets a couple of white mage spells, like White Wind which just heals all nearby party members by however much health the caster had
At 0:33 in the video I’m not sure if you meant to say “offensive roles “ instead of “defensive roles” but it says it in the captions.
Currently playing a game that doesn’t have a job system, but I have it setup so I basically have two tanks, a white healing mage, a black damage mage, and two supports. Aerith is my favorite white mage of all the FF games I have played.
White mages keep the heavy hitters alive to use their heavy offense.
*Sees Aerith get killed*
_IT STILL HURTS_
Great video as always. I'd love to see thieves being explored soon.
Nice breakdown for most of it. You missed FF15. Lunafreya seemed to be based on a white mage archetype.
For FF8 I always assumed Rinoa was based on a white mage as well, though more battle focused.
I feel like you missed a chance to talk about the clearest "Medics/ White Mage" of XIII/ XIII-2 Being Hope & Noel.
Though Noel doesn't fit the White Mage look; narratively it works.
Besides that, fantastic video!
That was not a flashback with garnet it's the present when you finally see her up close for the first time. She was trying to disguise herself in surprised with all your ff knowledge that you forgot that.
Would like to see Dark Knight covered next.
Never thought i'd see a fellow dark knight fan here
@@balsamon69 I just really like how the FFXIV Job story for DRK subverts the “brooding, edgy” stereotype the Job has generally been associated with.
@@TheAzureGuardian I don't think XIV's version of DRK necessarily subverts that. There's still that brooding and edgy quality to it, especially on Sidurgu's character. The story is just handled in a more tactful and introspective manner, so it's more like... it adds some depth to the "brooding" rather than outright change it.
@@JJMomoida True, Fray and Sidurgu are pretty much all about seeking the Darkness for more power. But your character is like “we can find another way” by rejecting what Fray is trying to get you to do and helps Sidurgu find another path to power; protecting others (name Rielle). Then the 60 to 70 quest line is about confronting their past (Sidurgu getting to see his mentor one last time) and then your character accepting that Fray is a part of them due to the DRK Soul Crystal originally being theirs.
who knew one day the thing to do was make video essays about video games on youtube
theres so many out there now and we just watchen em like it isnt strange at all lol
FINALLY!
Please, do Paladin next!
Love the video, didn’t think there be so much on white mage considering it’s so basic compared to most of the mages, btw could you guys maybe do one of these on the time mage or even the mysic knights?
For FF Tactics A2. The Seer does not replace the White Mage. The Seer only had Cura, Raise, Esuna. WM has Curaga, Arise and Refresh as upgrades. Seers did have the -ra level black magick and the all important spell, Magick Frenzy (Cast a spell and do a basic attack on all targets hit with the spell) and Recharge (gain a net of 20MP). Personally never used a Seer main but I did do a 2 battle mages. One was mainly physical, equipping two swords. The other mained as an illusionist, whose spells hit all enemy targets, then had two rods equipped as well.
My favorite ff character og all time is a white mage (aerith)
I think Vanille was the White mage of the team, she is the only with a weapon that can enhance healing skills (and she was the person with most medic skills, one more than hope)..in the other hand, Hope can be considered like a white mage to (highest magic stat) and his summon is Alexander (who has all of the medic skills and the only one with holy element, exclusive of white mages)...anddd hope's ultimate skills looks literally like the classic Holy spell
Ayaka is actually from Brave Exvius, she is a collaboration character in War of the Visions
And another detail, her unorthodox counters and abilities on that game are because of her time mage sub class. I think she also has green mage subclass but I'm not sure
Such an interesting and fun video to watch! Great underrated topic and good research! Love it!
I'm rewatching all the evolution class video, and i'd love to see an evolution of the ranged character in Final fantasy. It's a fringe archetype in final fantasy, but there are a lot of notable characters who fit the mold, with Vincent, Irvine, Yuffie, Wakka as well as some of the older OG jobs.
Would love to see an evolution video on Dark Knight
Been bingeing your vids lately! Love your stuff mate!
FF14's lore also describes the White Mage garb as being sacred vestments given to those who mastered white magic: the white symbolizing purity while the red traditional red trim represents the blood coursing through all living things.
I’d like to see the Paladin class covered next
Half of that video will be FFT and FF4:TaY. :D
I’d like to see a video on the tank classes. I don’t think there’s like a one good/obvious name for it but there examples in the franchise. FFXIV is full of them, but there’s also Auron from FFX and Snow (or the Sentinel role) from FFXIII. I think it might be a rarer thing in the franchise because it’s harder to make fun and to fit the mechanics into the game’s system, and that’s what makes me interested in learning more about it.
Monks and Knights are pretty much the tanks. They always end up with a lot of HP in comparison to other classes