I own the original Prime 4 since day 1, and it has been a great piece of equipment that keeps getting better and better. I personally will not get this Prime 4 Plus as in my position, Stems + Amazon + Bluetooth + Facelift aren't enough changes that justify spending 2200 usd. But, for anyone else that is looking to upgrade from something else or have been wanting to get the Prime 4, this is a no brainer. And keep in mind InMusic's track record of improving all EngineOs devices and EngineDJ with every upgrade for free, you will have long support for this device. Not like other brands...
Bingo! You should be good with the Prime 4 OG if you don't need the extra bells and whistles, but for those just about to upgrade, this is a dream come true
I can't work with things that are getting better and better.... I need them to be optimized and done when I buy them. I can accept a few bug fixes for a short while after release, but if that's not enough, it was released too early. Many of those things that has been fixed since I got the P4 was the reason I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I'm a working Dj and I can't afford gear that is still in progress to be ready for work. When I spend 1000's of $ it's because I need the gear for work the day I get it. It took me 3 months to get rid of the P4 and during that time it still wasn't ready to bring the doe in. For the money, (30% loss on a brand new...just saying) I got the much more basic used Pioneer XDJ-700/DJM-450 setup and with that one I made money from day 1. Still have it and I would probably get more money for that gear now than I payed for it, and it would take less than a week. But I won't. Praying for a XDJ-700Mk2 to be released, but it looks like it may never happen. If they do I'm gonna be the first one to order a set, you bet!
@@dj-peterofficial2753 Sounds like you're a conformist that does not like free stuff. Which begs the question, if you're against things that get better and better why not work with something that has been 'optimized and done' for years like turntables and mixer combo? No need for updates or anything as you get what you paid for. I'm a working DJ that has had for the past few years about 80 or so gigs a year, and the Prime 4 has been there for all of them. If you didn't make money with it, to me it isn't the gear... Just sayin'...
@@3r1der50 - agreed, I'm a long time Denon head, but my SC5000M have some major issues. My 1800 mixer immediately went on the fritz, so no wonder they quickly updated to 1850 within the year. And Engine still barely can ever recognize where to lay the beat grid. Crazy if AI can isolate stems, but they can't us it guess where a simple EDM song starts and to not start on a snare!
Great video, Carlo! The Stems build is a very very early build and will only improve with time. PRIME 4+ users will have access to the Stems beta build later this summer.
That serato stems isolation sounds near perfect. Wonder if prime 4 can hook up to serato via laptop and use it that way with the xy pad and as Denon catches up go to controller mode only.
Dope 🔥 Denon at the cutting edge again. As an SC6000 owner, I'm hoping that as the underlying architecture is the same, they will prioritise it for us too... regardless, this is awesome. Thanks Carlo, awesome vid as always.
A year later and honestly....im making the jump from traktor. Was an avid lover and thougjt traktor would make big jumps...but....prime4+ not only is it a standalone....it also integrates with lighting and so many other features. I cant wait to get it!
Right?! I think only Virtual DJ compares to Serato (Traktor needs actual stems), though I've gotta say, I can't believe Engine DJ managed to make stems for a standalone!
@@djcarlo that is true - I ordered the FLX10 in march and it still hasn't arrived :((( I am really torn now on how I should use it. Most of my friends at raves use rekordbox, but I had serato before and if I really want to make use of the stem feature i don't see myself liking rekordbox for that as it stands... I heard that you haven't reveived your FLX10 either - but if you get your hands on one, could you make a comparison on how both softwares interact with the Stem controls on that unit? Cheers!
@@felixkrell890 As a fresh FLX10 owner, I never knew just how much worse rekordbox stems are compared to Virtual DJ. Depending on the track, you might be able to isolate drums or vocals, but it's a gamble. Which is a shame, because I really like the workflow of using stems on the FLX10 in rekordbox and having tried using it in VirtualDJ, most more advanced stem features of the FLX10 don't seem to work (dynamically switching between traditional and stem EQ per channel, stem instant doubles...). I guess my only hope is that Pioneer finally stops pretending people that are willing to spend almost 2k on a controller are gonna run them on a potato craptop and finally makes a proper, more resource heavy but better sounding stem separation.
@@felixkrell890 I am selling my FLX 10 and went back to Denon. It's a great unit, there simply is no point in carrying around a laptop with this thing now.
Count that in as another great update! It was still in the works on this demo build, so expect the full Bluetooth specs to come out with the Prime 4+ soon!
I have a doubt!!! Her graph does not indicate the colors of low medium and high as in the serato graph??? I only see the graphic on the Denon screen all blue or green, and that worries me... The colors indicating lower, medium or high sounds on pionnier equipment help a lot and make mixing easier. How do I know which are the most low, medium and high sounds on the Denon screen? What color are the quietest sounds on the screen? If it were in Pionnier it would be red or orange, and that helps me a lot. This graph reading is very important, because without headphones I can get by and make good mixes
From what I recall, they're different shades of blue and green, but they don't really change too much, unlike on laptops. Best thing to do is to really listen to your music instead of relying on the graphs :)
Denon Prime 4 owner here. I wonder if this Stem feature will be permanently exclusive the new Denon hardware or if it will be coming to previous gen units at some point 🤔 Regardless, I've had my Prime 4 for over 2 1/2 years now and it's been rock solid so I'm sure this refreshed model will be as well. Denon's killing it! 👌🏻
Its been said that since the Stems are Software based and not Hardware, It possibly could be coming to the other Standalone units as well. The prime 4+ hardware is the exact same as the original prime 4 surprisingly lol
I hope they eventually open it up to the Prime 4 also. I would hate for something to "spill" on my controller and have to use my insurance to replace it.
Kinda crazy that they changed the color of the level meters and now all i see is the white blinding light! please Denon give us a 'color option', i was cool with the green, i know some weren't, i understand this but right now i can't see anything but white, especially wearing glasses, in the dark, with the glare. agghhhh
@@djcarlo I don't know about that because I have a 2018 computer laptop ensure that the audio quality on the computer sounds pretty decent but just in general not as good but I have a HP laptop my grandma gave me and I had to get it fixed I want to have better performance on it and the reason why I'm still keeping it is because my grandma passed away and I was the last watch the first thing she ever gave me when she passed away but I might buy another laptop as the same one and then get all those laptop person that one on to that one laptop and not just that Hercules did make sound cards for desktop computers
2:31 holy cow! what did serato do in the past months? :OO i havent used serato since i got my sclive4 a few months ago and am impressed by how far serato seems to have improved stems; those vocals sound so nice and useable :3
🤔🤔 should you use a audio plugin just to fix the sound coming from the controller or just to the computer itself but this is something I never notice about the software one that sounds clearer than others but to be honest I had virtual DJ LE on that one controller I told you about that function and I'm just going to say this the sound quality difference on every software Most you can hear this sound clearly like crisp and clean
@@djcarlo well most of the DJ controllers don't support the speaker Jack's on most of the I always had to use my Bluetooth speaker which I like to use at times but there is too much distortion
DJ Carlo, is the Prime 4+ a good choice for a mobile DJ? I'm thinking about going to complete standalone with the laptop as an additional hard drive and Serato since I paid for the service.
Stems are experimental and alpha only at the moment. The real working stems function comes with a future update. I don't know where it is usable. I suppose on new gear only because of the more cpu power stems needs. That means on the new Prime series and may be live 4.
I've heard alot of people complaining about Engine during long Gigs (6-8 hrs) facing major crashes, issues with the Library and graphics aswell as delays in tracks or analyzing. I want to switch but i cant decide between the xdj XZ / Opus Quad / Prime 4+
Mostly because I'm not a VDJ user. I do feel like having these comparisons are enough, especially since Serato already shows very clean stem separation in comparison to Engine DJ and (especially) Rekordbox
I'd say they both have their pros and cons. FLX10 Is better if you're more computer based, while the Prime 4+ is better if you're a standalone kind of DJ
When in a loop, pressing the in or out button allows you to tighten the loop manually on the pioneers. Do these have the manual loop adjustment function using the jogwheel as well?
Great video I'm just wondering why there is not a comparison with Virtual DJ?.... They supposed to have one of the best stem isolation software in the market....
@@djcarlo understand... I haven't used either, version 2.1, but I read is the best in the market right now.... I'm sure Denon engine will keep improving 🙌 I'm SO WAITING for this update on my Prime Go 🙌 hopefully soon... 👍
Here's the thing... Phil Morse (Digital DJ Tips) mentions in his video that the makers confirmed that internally (meaning the CPU), the Prime 4+ is exactly the same as the old one. Now you more than likely won't get anything sounding any better than what an iPhone/iPad sound separation does now (DJay Pro, etc.) after all these years. Real-time sound separation needs a lot of processing power and since it’s still has the same ol' CPU inside...well... Now I can't explain Rekordbox's excuse 🤪
For my build, it was. But what I have is a demo build! The full release should have stems available for at least 2 decks, but im not privy to much info beyond that. We'll just need to wait and see by the tail end of the month!
Alrighty! Fingers crossed! 🤞 Also, I think that'd be a good occasion for them to map the « Parameter » buttons at the bottom right corner of each decks to control stems without having to touch the screen. 👀
I wish Denon made a beginner controller. Something that can be used as a backup but also a something that can be used for beginners. Numark killed it with their platinum fx controller.
Denon, Numark and Rane are all different faces of the same company; InMusic. Rane and Denon DJ exist to cater to the high end market, and Numark has been given the entry level market. Therefore you simply won’t get a “beginner” Denon DJ unit
You can use Engine DJ when it's in standalone mode, but Serato is purely laptop based for now. From what I know as well, this doesn't work with Rekordbox
@@djcarlo thank you for the quick response. I’m not sure if you had made a video explaining the following. What do new Dj need to do when they arrive at a club and need to take over a set. How do they set up their first track while the other Dj is playing, and what do “new Dj” need to do before they hit the tables.
I'm impressed with the Pirme + but I can't see myself paying $2200 USD. That's way above what I can afford but if you are a Denon user, I would not miss the opportunity to own this kit. I do like how Denon and Engine keep improving their DJ hardware/software. Good video @DJCarlo
I have a question. I have a DVD of Michael Jackson live performance that I would like to convert into a video then upload on TH-cam..Is it possible to do so without risking copyright strike?
Oh, that's probably gonna get you an immediate copyright strike. Not sure what that has to do with the video, but unless you took the video yourself, it'll probably get flagged by Sony Music
In a couple of days I will receive my prime4+, the first only one controller for me who have always used turntables for over 25 years and have practically never used CDJs, regards @djcarlo 🙂 excellent video ! 👍
@@djcarlo Truly an excellent product with surprising audio quality despite having only used mp3 at most with 320kbs, it arrived with the latest firmware 4.0 already installed for the moment I used it for only 2 days, and I immediately found it very good , I turned it on and I practically started mixing mainly using the vinyl mode but obviously without beat sync, it really seems like using vinyl, the analysis of the tracks is fast and precise and you can play the loaded track immediately, I mean while the The analysis has yet to finish (I don't know if Pioneer does it honestly) it is built surprisingly well, pleasant visual impact (but here I personally prefer the Pioneer layout a little more) the effects are many and overall they are good but they have a standard setting which is not suitable for everyone okay, in my opinion it promises the final quality of the effect itself. If they implemented a settings editor for the effects it would be fantastic, I need to delve deeper. The functions of this tool seem to never end, it's crazy, I recommend it to those who have always mainly used turntables, for the moment I still have to try connecting mine to inputs 3 and 4. I am very satisfied with what it offers which is more than I expected. Sorry for the biblical length of this message.😁
i dont know if you still read comment on this video, but maybe you can share where i can get the visual effect like you do on this video here, its a nice editing video btw. thanks
Hmmm, well, most controllers nowadays have their tempo faders by the jogwheel, but I get you! I've had my fair share of accidents in the past with that haha
Denon is really taking the apple approach to their products. With everything being a standalone product running similar versions of engine os, no matter what Denon gear you get you get a very familiar experience. And the devs get the benefit of coding to similar hardware/software so you get more reliable equipment over time, and faster updates. If anything helps them take down pioneer in the long run its going to be this decision to create a uniform ecosystem.
@@djcarloSerato sucks man , I like Recordbox more and yes , Denon is for babys , Denon will never be Pioneer . You think people or club owners are stupid going with Pioneer ?
With the original Prime 4 there were 3 main reasons I just couldn't have it. I did buy it but because of those 3 reasons I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I'm old in the game and some things I will not change in the way I play. 1. I use CDJ-mode, and I set cue point's on the fly in practically every song. Does the new Prime 4 have the equivalent of Pioneers CDJ-mode. They used to on all their previous gear but with the new gen it was just gone, leaving everybody to use vinyl mode, and to set perfect cue points on the fly that mode just isn't good enough. I mean, how would you like it if they decided to skip vinyl mode... that is part of how almost everything else follows in you work flow. 2. Hardware effects? Or are they just software based still, which means that no external devices can use the effects except the filter. Another thing with 4 ch devices is that we with tons of gear on the shelves like to hook up a couple of turntables or a couple of ancient CD-players to our main gear and just use the mixer for the clean and modern effects that never were available before. I do that frequently and I don't want to rearrange my whole DJ setup to do it. 3. The jog wheels!!! I've never used jog wheels worse than the ones on the Prime 4. Even the ones on my first CDJ's in 1995 was better. I really don't like capacitive jog wheel on any brand of gear but those on the Prime 4 were too heavy which had the effect that the slightest push made them spin like forever and that's not wanted when a tiny speed correction was all that I needed. The jog wheel on the Pioneer DDJ-RX3 is the firs jog wheel I feel comes close to what mechanical jog wheels and behaves feel like. So, are jog wheels improved to my liking or still heavy and free spinning. There were a lot of other thing back then that just added to why I really didn't like the Prime 4 that I think has been sorted by updates, but on the other hand that was also one of my points back then. I don't buy gear today I need to wait years to become usable. I need gear that works out the box when I buy anything new. Can't afford a €2000 piece of gear standing in a corner for years before it's usable. ...and no, I'm not the least interested in using streaming services and Wifi wasn't yet enabled on the Prime 4 when I got it so that will never be the reason I look for an all-in-one unit. If the above 3 points were fixed I could again be interested in a Prime 4 unit, but otherwise not. Just like I will never get the Pioneer DJ OPUS-QUAD. I guess I will have to set my eyes on a future XDJ-XZ Mk2...or in the end say goodbye to an arm and a leg to get the CDJ-3000's and the A9 mixer....
CDJ mode exists, though not in the same form as CDJs. It's more of vinyl mode on and off. Hardware based FX exist too, though majority of the FX run through Engine DJ, which is, I'd say, the equivalent of having hardware-based FX running through any DJM. Now, I'll admit the jogwheels are heavy for my scratch-oriented hands, so I wouldn't recommend the Prime 4+ for scratching, but the jogwheels are great for normal mixing if you ask me. Honestly Peter, if it's not your thing, just don't go for it! We all have our preferences in controllers and equipment, so find the one that best suits you
@@djcarlo Oh, that's no problem at all. After 38 years in the business and still being a full time DJ I have everything I need and then some. Doesn't mean that a tech nerd like me doesn't look ahead to what's coming out and of course I would love stems on my CDJ's. If that came as an upgrade to the CDJ-3000's it would be the reason for me to upgrade from my Nexus2's. I couldn't care less about streaming and things that are online based, but stems... :) . But, I will raise my voice when others don't when reviewer after reviewer do not report or say anything about things that disappointed me like no other buy I've ever done. I'm pretty sure the way I play isn't unique in any way so if they read my comments, maybe they don't need to spend thousands of hard earned $'s on the wrong gear if they get the full picture before buying it. Do you actually know why DJ's like me don't ever use vinyl mode other than for effects? Do you know why the Pioneer CDJ mode is far superior to vinyl mode when you play the way I and many others do? For us it's just as essential as vinyl mode it to your way of playing. I understand that, because when I started and for ten years vinyl was the tool for me. Still do the odd vinyl set when asked to, but scratching has never been and never will be part of the way I play. I have other ways to quick mix and keep the energy high when that's required, and that's when the CDJ mode makes a difference. TH-cam isn't just an american thing you know. The whole world is watching your channel but there's absolutely differences in how the norm for all kind of DJ's look like and in the gear we use just between the US and Sweden. It's probably even more differences comparing other parts of the world to both the US and Sweden. But we all love a good DJ channel like yours. That we have in common.
Did you get paid from serato dj? Since you don't have any knowledge about virtual dj capabilities with stem v2, don't announce SERATO as a winner without virtual dj STEM v2 test.. Don't forget that you can use VirtualDJ OS as replacement for Denon OS
Nice video, I want to add a few informations for everyone interested. Will it be exclusive to the prime 4+? No it will not. Denon only made it available for the prime4+ since they want to limit beta users. This STEM update has to be seen as a proof of concept. Denon says that if everything goes right, the STEM feature will be rolled out to other Denon Products in the next 3 months.
You choose to ignore Virtual DJ as one of the best DJ software on the market when you compare stems quality of Engine OS / Prime 4+ with its competitors. It’s a pity.
Has a DJ play techno and electronic music, mixing with steam have nothing to do for me. I don't like I don't care and I think it will dispersed with time.
VDJ is the best. I tried Serato never using it before and it wouldnt even connect to my Numark Mixstream Pro GO where as soon as I turned on VDJ it connected without me doing anything. THATS the simplicity dj programs need. Sorry Serato. You lost out on a customer because of your complexity
@@DJMAGICinSL "VDJ is the best" is an opinion that DJs think it's a fact. If you can use any program, then that's the best program to use, I've used Serato for my life but I would never say it's the best, I do prefer it over VDJ but I don't think VDJ is better than Serato. As a matter of fact, Serato is a little more accurate and more "Instant" when it comes to pressing the play or cue buttons. In my opinion.
In my opinion this is nonsense..They shouldn't of came out with a prime plus..They should of gave denon users the feat on the 3.1 update..They also can come out with a denon prime 6..2 channel and 4 channel with the main features..They can keep that prime plus...No Go
I think the problem with the Engine 3.1 update for other units is that other older controllers don't have the hardware for it anymore. I feel like Denon is just testing the waters with this one. We'll see what they come up with though in the future!
Can anyone help me out here... I have a Pioneer DJM 800 mixer and I am in two minds, either to buy 2 Pioneer XDJ 700s or the Denon Prime 4 plus, which would be the better option?
If you enjoy the DJM800, go for the XDJs. However, I would recommend checking out the review of the Prime 4+ too, just to see if it has features you need for you DJ set.
I haven’t listened to an interview on normal speed in a whileeeeleee well done great to listen to
I'm glad you enjoyed the review!
I own the original Prime 4 since day 1, and it has been a great piece of equipment that keeps getting better and better. I personally will not get this Prime 4 Plus as in my position, Stems + Amazon + Bluetooth + Facelift aren't enough changes that justify spending 2200 usd. But, for anyone else that is looking to upgrade from something else or have been wanting to get the Prime 4, this is a no brainer. And keep in mind InMusic's track record of improving all EngineOs devices and EngineDJ with every upgrade for free, you will have long support for this device. Not like other brands...
Bingo! You should be good with the Prime 4 OG if you don't need the extra bells and whistles, but for those just about to upgrade, this is a dream come true
old P4 also has Bluetooth....
Agree. I see no reason to update at all. Love my Prime 4.
I can't work with things that are getting better and better.... I need them to be optimized and done when I buy them. I can accept a few bug fixes for a short while after release, but if that's not enough, it was released too early. Many of those things that has been fixed since I got the P4 was the reason I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I'm a working Dj and I can't afford gear that is still in progress to be ready for work. When I spend 1000's of $ it's because I need the gear for work the day I get it. It took me 3 months to get rid of the P4 and during that time it still wasn't ready to bring the doe in. For the money, (30% loss on a brand new...just saying) I got the much more basic used Pioneer XDJ-700/DJM-450 setup and with that one I made money from day 1. Still have it and I would probably get more money for that gear now than I payed for it, and it would take less than a week. But I won't. Praying for a XDJ-700Mk2 to be released, but it looks like it may never happen. If they do I'm gonna be the first one to order a set, you bet!
@@dj-peterofficial2753 Sounds like you're a conformist that does not like free stuff. Which begs the question, if you're against things that get better and better why not work with something that has been 'optimized and done' for years like turntables and mixer combo? No need for updates or anything as you get what you paid for.
I'm a working DJ that has had for the past few years about 80 or so gigs a year, and the Prime 4 has been there for all of them. If you didn't make money with it, to me it isn't the gear... Just sayin'...
It just blows my mind how Denon isn't industry standard, but pioneer is with less options...
Theyre slowly climbing their way! It'll take a while though
@@3r1der50 No issues whatsoever with my 2x sc6000Ms
Pioneer has been entrenched in clubs for over a decade and a half, now. Replacing them won't happen soon.
@@3r1der50ever had any issues with any of my Denon products in over 10+ years. I did get what I paid for.
@@3r1der50 - agreed, I'm a long time Denon head, but my SC5000M have some major issues. My 1800 mixer immediately went on the fritz, so no wonder they quickly updated to 1850 within the year. And Engine still barely can ever recognize where to lay the beat grid. Crazy if AI can isolate stems, but they can't us it guess where a simple EDM song starts and to not start on a snare!
Great video, Carlo! The Stems build is a very very early build and will only improve with time. PRIME 4+ users will have access to the Stems beta build later this summer.
Indeed! Still can't believe it's already cleaner than Rekordbox's attempts
That serato stems isolation sounds near perfect. Wonder if prime 4 can hook up to serato via laptop and use it that way with the xy pad and as Denon catches up go to controller mode only.
Yes it can! I mentioned that in the video 😆
@@djcarlo 😂yeah I saw it after I commented
Dope 🔥 Denon at the cutting edge again. As an SC6000 owner, I'm hoping that as the underlying architecture is the same, they will prioritise it for us too... regardless, this is awesome. Thanks Carlo, awesome vid as always.
Who knows what else Denon DJ has cooking up for us? This stems update was a treat!
@@djcarlo same feeling here ie temporarily limiting Stems to Prime 4+ to help promote it for a bit before universalising it
A year later and honestly....im making the jump from traktor. Was an avid lover and thougjt traktor would make big jumps...but....prime4+ not only is it a standalone....it also integrates with lighting and so many other features. I cant wait to get it!
Engine DJ is amazing! Still the number one in terms of standalone programs I believe
Its crazy to me that pioneer haven't implemented this to there cdj 3000 and top of the line standalones 6:09
Right?! Engine DJ absolutely innovating!
because they are the standard on club gear - so turntable on a turd will still sell if it says pioneer on it 😅
holy cow, how is serato THIS much better at stems than its competitors?! I never really saw the difference this glaringly
Right?! I think only Virtual DJ compares to Serato (Traktor needs actual stems), though I've gotta say, I can't believe Engine DJ managed to make stems for a standalone!
@@djcarlo that is true - I ordered the FLX10 in march and it still hasn't arrived :((( I am really torn now on how I should use it. Most of my friends at raves use rekordbox, but I had serato before and if I really want to make use of the stem feature i don't see myself liking rekordbox for that as it stands... I heard that you haven't reveived your FLX10 either - but if you get your hands on one, could you make a comparison on how both softwares interact with the Stem controls on that unit? Cheers!
@@felixkrell890 As a fresh FLX10 owner, I never knew just how much worse rekordbox stems are compared to Virtual DJ. Depending on the track, you might be able to isolate drums or vocals, but it's a gamble. Which is a shame, because I really like the workflow of using stems on the FLX10 in rekordbox and having tried using it in VirtualDJ, most more advanced stem features of the FLX10 don't seem to work (dynamically switching between traditional and stem EQ per channel, stem instant doubles...).
I guess my only hope is that Pioneer finally stops pretending people that are willing to spend almost 2k on a controller are gonna run them on a potato craptop and finally makes a proper, more resource heavy but better sounding stem separation.
@@felixkrell890 I am selling my FLX 10 and went back to Denon. It's a great unit, there simply is no point in carrying around a laptop with this thing now.
What’s crazy is virtual dj is usually leading the way and all others play catch up in so many functions. Stems for example…
Did anyone else notice the Bluetooth icon and option when he pulled the screen down 😍😍
Count that in as another great update! It was still in the works on this demo build, so expect the full Bluetooth specs to come out with the Prime 4+ soon!
Yip, Bluetooth was announced as a feature for 3.2 update. 🔥
These new stem controllers allow DJs like you to be insanely creative in a live set. Thanks for the review!
You bet! Crazy how far tech has come!
I have a doubt!!! Her graph does not indicate the colors of low medium and high as in the serato graph??? I only see the graphic on the Denon screen all blue or green, and that worries me... The colors indicating lower, medium or high sounds on pionnier equipment help a lot and make mixing easier.
How do I know which are the most low, medium and high sounds on the Denon screen? What color are the quietest sounds on the screen? If it were in Pionnier it would be red or orange, and that helps me a lot. This graph reading is very important, because without headphones I can get by and make good mixes
From what I recall, they're different shades of blue and green, but they don't really change too much, unlike on laptops. Best thing to do is to really listen to your music instead of relying on the graphs :)
Denon Prime 4 owner here. I wonder if this Stem feature will be permanently exclusive the new Denon hardware or if it will be coming to previous gen units at some point 🤔 Regardless, I've had my Prime 4 for over 2 1/2 years now and it's been rock solid so I'm sure this refreshed model will be as well. Denon's killing it! 👌🏻
I doubt it'll be an exclusive forever. Can't say much about it working retroactively, but im sure future InMusic controllers will have it
Its been said that since the Stems are Software based and not Hardware, It possibly could be coming to the other Standalone units as well. The prime 4+ hardware is the exact same as the original prime 4 surprisingly lol
I hope they eventually open it up to the Prime 4 also. I would hate for something to "spill" on my controller and have to use my insurance to replace it.
Kinda crazy that they changed the color of the level meters and now all i see is the white blinding light! please Denon give us a 'color option', i was cool with the green, i know some weren't, i understand this but right now i can't see anything but white, especially wearing glasses, in the dark, with the glare. agghhhh
Yeah, it can get pretty bright, especially with blue being the main backlight
Would you say that the Prime 4+ is better than the XDJ-XZ? Or the XZ is the better choice ?
They've each got their pros and cons, but I do like the Prime 4+ better as it's got more of the features I look for while DJing
I need this and a Hercules. Carlos you have a control in every room in your home including every closest.
Even in my car! Hahahaha
Hang on you have day mode in that too. Another 3.2 version feature we are waiting on 😮
Yezzir! I wasn't able to talk about it much, but its pretty clear what it was, and it's amazing!
I think, the Virtual DJ stems sound the best.
They are admittedly the cleanest
So yes I would ask you recommend a desktop for hearing better sound quality because there are sound cards for computers
Not a desktop, no. A laptop will suffice, especially higher end ones with great sound cards
@@djcarlo I don't know about that because I have a 2018 computer laptop ensure that the audio quality on the computer sounds pretty decent but just in general not as good but I have a HP laptop my grandma gave me and I had to get it fixed I want to have better performance on it and the reason why I'm still keeping it is because my grandma passed away and I was the last watch the first thing she ever gave me when she passed away but I might buy another laptop as the same one and then get all those laptop person that one on to that one laptop and not just that Hercules did make sound cards for desktop computers
Decent stems something I use 2 mins out of a set..... Or owning a laptop like its 1998 ? Pretty easy choice.
At the end of the day, your choice of DJ equipment is all up to what you need most out of your set! Different strokes for different folks!
2:31 holy cow! what did serato do in the past months? :OO i havent used serato since i got my sclive4 a few months ago and am impressed by how far serato seems to have improved stems; those vocals sound so nice and useable :3
They are! Very VERY clean, and inching closer to VDJ's.
Amazing video Carlo. Question, how do you find the jog wheels travel in comparison with the Prime 4, have they really improved significantly?
Theyre about the same! Not a big difference
I wish I want this stem update for Numark Mixstream Pro Go.
We'll see if the Mixstream Pro Go gets it too!
Doesn’t the Flx 10 do the same thing with more stem options?
Yes, but it's not a standalone. And if you use it with rekordbox, their stem separation is almost as bad as this standalone one demonstrated here.
Actually, it's even worse for some reason! It's less clean than Engine DJ's is, and this is purely on a standalone haha
I cant decide if to go flx10 or the prime 4 + I don't mind if it's standalone or I need a laptop.
🤔🤔 should you use a audio plugin just to fix the sound coming from the controller or just to the computer itself but this is something I never notice about the software one that sounds clearer than others but to be honest I had virtual DJ LE on that one controller I told you about that function and I'm just going to say this the sound quality difference on every software Most you can hear this sound clearly like crisp and clean
No need to use an audio plug in! The controller takes care of that already
@@djcarlo well most of the DJ controllers don't support the speaker Jack's on most of the I always had to use my Bluetooth speaker which I like to use at times but there is too much distortion
DJ Carlo, is the Prime 4+ a good choice for a mobile DJ? I'm thinking about going to complete standalone with the laptop as an additional hard drive and Serato since I paid for the service.
Yup! The Prime 4+ is amazing! People have been singing praises about its predecessor, the Prime 4, and its successor is no different! :)
Any updates regarding stem quality from many of the initial videos I’ve watched seemed to be a common thread
I wish I could give updates, but im as much in the dark as y'all are! Last time I checked, they were still fine tuning it
Stems are experimental and alpha only at the moment. The real working stems function comes with a future update. I don't know where it is usable. I suppose on new gear only because of the more cpu power stems needs. That means on the new Prime series and may be live 4.
Yeah. So far, the Prime 4+ is the only one that can handle it. Hopefully they come out with something soon though!
I've heard alot of people complaining about Engine during long Gigs (6-8 hrs) facing major crashes, issues with the Library and graphics aswell as delays in tracks or analyzing.
I want to switch but i cant decide between the xdj XZ / Opus Quad / Prime 4+
Oh wow, I havent heard of these problems yet! I haven't done 6 hours on Engine DJ though, so that's quite shocking 🫨
2:33 you don't compare with the king of stems software: virtual DJ?
Mostly because I'm not a VDJ user. I do feel like having these comparisons are enough, especially since Serato already shows very clean stem separation in comparison to Engine DJ and (especially) Rekordbox
Does anybody know if the full suite of effects will be assignable to the phono inputs now?
Good question! That's something I haven't gotten around to trying yet. Let me see if I can check on that!
Im still waiting for the Stem option to become available Ive had the prime 4+ now for a week and nothing yet
Should be coming out soon! I heard they were aiming for July, but I wasn't given an exact date
@@djcarlo thanks for the heads up 🙏
is it better, a Denon dj prime 4 plus or Pioneer dj ddj flx10? What of them is more advanced?
I'd say they both have their pros and cons. FLX10 Is better if you're more computer based, while the Prime 4+ is better if you're a standalone kind of DJ
@@djcarlo is it possible to use the track separation in serato dj pro with denon prime 4 plus like flx10?
Yup, absolutely! It's software based, so you shouldn't have any issues there
When in a loop, pressing the in or out button allows you to tighten the loop manually on the pioneers.
Do these have the manual loop adjustment function using the jogwheel as well?
I dont think so. I haven't tried, but I dont think it works like that with Denon
@djcarlo it does on the sc6000's, so I'm thinking perhaps the prime 4+ aswell since it's high end
VERY GOOD REVIEW DJ CARLO 🙌🙌
Only the best for the channel!
@@djcarlo always 👍👍
Great video I'm just wondering why there is not a comparison with Virtual DJ?.... They supposed to have one of the best stem isolation software in the market....
I'm not a VDJ user, and quite honestly, they don't need the extra marketing haha
@@djcarlo understand... I haven't used either, version 2.1, but I read is the best in the market right now.... I'm sure Denon engine will keep improving 🙌 I'm SO WAITING for this update on my Prime Go 🙌 hopefully soon... 👍
Here's the thing...
Phil Morse (Digital DJ Tips) mentions in his video that the makers confirmed that internally (meaning the CPU), the Prime 4+ is exactly the same as the old one.
Now you more than likely won't get anything sounding any better than what an iPhone/iPad sound separation does now (DJay Pro, etc.) after all these years. Real-time sound separation needs a lot of processing power and since it’s still has the same ol' CPU inside...well...
Now I can't explain Rekordbox's excuse 🤪
We'll see if they manage to tighten the processing on this even more! The future should be bright for this.
But yeah, Rekordbox, why
which one do you think is better the Denon Prime 4+ or the Pioneer Ddj rzx
Hard to say, as I've yet to really go deep into the RZX, but I'd pick the Prime 4+ nowadays
so many cool updates, but still no rgb waveforms... thanks denon
Maybe that's the next step!
bought my sc live 4 and 2 months lader fader bleed. BE CAREFUL
Oh dang, what do you mean? What happened? So far, the SC Live 4's been fine for me!
Could it be possible that's limited to only Deck 1? If yes, do you know if they plan on expanding it to the four decks? 👀
For my build, it was. But what I have is a demo build! The full release should have stems available for at least 2 decks, but im not privy to much info beyond that. We'll just need to wait and see by the tail end of the month!
Alrighty! Fingers crossed! 🤞
Also, I think that'd be a good occasion for them to map the « Parameter » buttons at the bottom right corner of each decks to control stems without having to touch the screen. 👀
Is the prime 4+ too much for the beginner?
Maybe, but if you've got the budget for it, I'd say go for it!
WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE STEMS FEATURE???? 😢
Your guess is as good as mine there 😞
@@djcarlo feels like they took it out back and shot it, buried it and are now like "Stems? What stems? Look at this bluetooth!"
I wish Denon made a beginner controller. Something that can be used as a backup but also a something that can be used for beginners. Numark killed it with their platinum fx controller.
I think Denon left the less expensive controllers to Numark hahaha
Denon, Numark and Rane are all different faces of the same company; InMusic. Rane and Denon DJ exist to cater to the high end market, and Numark has been given the entry level market. Therefore you simply won’t get a “beginner” Denon DJ unit
Can I use Serato Dj on this unit without a laptop or is it recommended to use Rekordbox?
You can use Engine DJ when it's in standalone mode, but Serato is purely laptop based for now. From what I know as well, this doesn't work with Rekordbox
@@djcarlo thank you for the quick response.
I’m not sure if you had made a video explaining the following.
What do new Dj need to do when they arrive at a club and need to take over a set.
How do they set up their first track while the other Dj is playing, and what do “new Dj” need to do before they hit the tables.
@@JustAnotherReviewwithAlekUSBs assuming it's CDJs at the gig. u just plug and go from there
Yes, but I would use it with VirtualDJ as their stems sound better than serato stems.
Go for it! Make the best of the hardware and software to your liking! :D
I'm impressed with the Pirme + but I can't see myself paying $2200 USD. That's way above what I can afford but if you are a Denon user, I would not miss the opportunity to own this kit. I do like how Denon and Engine keep improving their DJ hardware/software. Good video @DJCarlo
Gotta love Denon DJ and the InMusic team for always keeping on their toes!
I have a question. I have a DVD of Michael Jackson live performance that I would like to convert into a video then upload on TH-cam..Is it possible to do so without risking copyright strike?
Oh, that's probably gonna get you an immediate copyright strike. Not sure what that has to do with the video, but unless you took the video yourself, it'll probably get flagged by Sony Music
@@djcarlo Thanks for your useful feedback. I had watched one of your videos on this topic
In a couple of days I will receive my prime4+, the first only one controller for me who have always used turntables for over 25 years and have practically never used CDJs, regards @djcarlo 🙂 excellent video ! 👍
That's exciting! Let me know how you feel once you transition to the digital age. I'm excited for you!
@@djcarlo Gladly, I'm 53 years old but I suddenly feel like I'm 40 younger😁, there's still a few hours left to wait and it should arrive.
@@djcarlo Truly an excellent product with surprising audio quality despite having only used mp3 at most with 320kbs, it arrived with the latest firmware 4.0 already installed for the moment I used it for only 2 days, and I immediately found it very good , I turned it on and I practically started mixing mainly using the vinyl mode but obviously without beat sync, it really seems like using vinyl, the analysis of the tracks is fast and precise and you can play the loaded track immediately, I mean while the The analysis has yet to finish (I don't know if Pioneer does it honestly) it is built surprisingly well, pleasant visual impact (but here I personally prefer the Pioneer layout a little more) the effects are many and overall they are good but they have a standard setting which is not suitable for everyone okay, in my opinion it promises the final quality of the effect itself. If they implemented a settings editor for the effects it would be fantastic, I need to delve deeper.
The functions of this tool seem to never end, it's crazy, I recommend it to those who have always mainly used turntables, for the moment I still have to try connecting mine to inputs 3 and 4.
I am very satisfied with what it offers which is more than I expected.
Sorry for the biblical length of this message.😁
i dont know if you still read comment on this video, but maybe you can share where i can get the visual effect like you do on this video here, its a nice editing video btw. thanks
Oh! I use Final Cut Pro and mVFX. Great stuff!
Will there be such features for the sc6000😊?
We'll find out soon enough!
im a numark mixstream pro owner and DAYUM when i get the cash this shit looks damn good
It's amazing! Both this and the Mixstream Pro would come in handy for you I'd say!
Did you try Virtual DJ?
Yup! But didn't tinker around with it as much
Dope Video Carlo
Thanks dude! Hope you enjoyed it!
hi ,goes the prime 4+ support traktor pro software?
I don't think so. Traktor is pretty picky when it comes to their hardware
@@djcarlo ok since the old prime 4 support it right ,maybe via update they will soon
Who has the date of the "4+ white edition" release? :D
Good question. I'm waiting to see if that's in the cards too haha
prime 4 for 800 or prime4+?
Prime 4+ for sure. Future proof yourself!
I hate that the tempo fader is right by the jog wheel. It’s so easy to accidentally hit it my right hand
Hmmm, well, most controllers nowadays have their tempo faders by the jogwheel, but I get you! I've had my fair share of accidents in the past with that haha
@@djcarlo yeah I'm used to to pioneer equipment so when I tried out the prime 4 I wasn't used to it haha
Any news on the stems ? 😅
Unfortunately, I'm as much in the dark as you about that haha
@@djcarlo so sad 😞
I was expecting a bigger jog a better layout like LC 6000, anyways may be in the future.😌
I think Denon DJ would've called it something else if they made a significant change to the layout 😅
@@djcarlo sure! Thanks for the reply.
the jogs are slightly bigger - only a small amount tho
Denon is really taking the apple approach to their products. With everything being a standalone product running similar versions of engine os, no matter what Denon gear you get you get a very familiar experience. And the devs get the benefit of coding to similar hardware/software so you get more reliable equipment over time, and faster updates. If anything helps them take down pioneer in the long run its going to be this decision to create a uniform ecosystem.
Bingo! I'm glad I'm not the only one who started seeing that!
Is the Stems work to on the sc live 4 ?
Good question! For now, it's exclusive to the Prime 4+ (as mentioned in the video), so we'll just need to wait!
@@djcarlo okay thank you :)
Impressive 😮🖤🔥
Indeed! What's your favorite feature on the 4+?
Standalone device with 4 usable channels, wifi, streaming and now stem!!! (beyond my purchase ability though) 🙏
Virtualdj stems beats serato..yet, these guys never promo them like they fan boy for pioneer and serato.😑
Given VDJs pricing, I don't think they need the extra milage on promos haha. Plus, I honestly like Serato's stems more.
@@djcarloSerato sucks man , I like Recordbox more and yes , Denon is for babys , Denon will never be Pioneer . You think people or club owners are stupid going with Pioneer ?
With the original Prime 4 there were 3 main reasons I just couldn't have it. I did buy it but because of those 3 reasons I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I'm old in the game and some things I will not change in the way I play.
1. I use CDJ-mode, and I set cue point's on the fly in practically every song. Does the new Prime 4 have the equivalent of Pioneers CDJ-mode. They used to on all their previous gear but with the new gen it was just gone, leaving everybody to use vinyl mode, and to set perfect cue points on the fly that mode just isn't good enough. I mean, how would you like it if they decided to skip vinyl mode... that is part of how almost everything else follows in you work flow.
2. Hardware effects? Or are they just software based still, which means that no external devices can use the effects except the filter. Another thing with 4 ch devices is that we with tons of gear on the shelves like to hook up a couple of turntables or a couple of ancient CD-players to our main gear and just use the mixer for the clean and modern effects that never were available before. I do that frequently and I don't want to rearrange my whole DJ setup to do it.
3. The jog wheels!!! I've never used jog wheels worse than the ones on the Prime 4. Even the ones on my first CDJ's in 1995 was better. I really don't like capacitive jog wheel on any brand of gear but those on the Prime 4 were too heavy which had the effect that the slightest push made them spin like forever and that's not wanted when a tiny speed correction was all that I needed. The jog wheel on the Pioneer DDJ-RX3 is the firs jog wheel I feel comes close to what mechanical jog wheels and behaves feel like. So, are jog wheels improved to my liking or still heavy and free spinning.
There were a lot of other thing back then that just added to why I really didn't like the Prime 4 that I think has been sorted by updates, but on the other hand that was also one of my points back then. I don't buy gear today I need to wait years to become usable. I need gear that works out the box when I buy anything new. Can't afford a €2000 piece of gear standing in a corner for years before it's usable. ...and no, I'm not the least interested in using streaming services and Wifi wasn't yet enabled on the Prime 4 when I got it so that will never be the reason I look for an all-in-one unit. If the above 3 points were fixed I could again be interested in a Prime 4 unit, but otherwise not. Just like I will never get the Pioneer DJ OPUS-QUAD. I guess I will have to set my eyes on a future XDJ-XZ Mk2...or in the end say goodbye to an arm and a leg to get the CDJ-3000's and the A9 mixer....
CDJ mode exists, though not in the same form as CDJs. It's more of vinyl mode on and off.
Hardware based FX exist too, though majority of the FX run through Engine DJ, which is, I'd say, the equivalent of having hardware-based FX running through any DJM.
Now, I'll admit the jogwheels are heavy for my scratch-oriented hands, so I wouldn't recommend the Prime 4+ for scratching, but the jogwheels are great for normal mixing if you ask me.
Honestly Peter, if it's not your thing, just don't go for it! We all have our preferences in controllers and equipment, so find the one that best suits you
@@djcarlo Oh, that's no problem at all. After 38 years in the business and still being a full time DJ I have everything I need and then some. Doesn't mean that a tech nerd like me doesn't look ahead to what's coming out and of course I would love stems on my CDJ's. If that came as an upgrade to the CDJ-3000's it would be the reason for me to upgrade from my Nexus2's. I couldn't care less about streaming and things that are online based, but stems... :) .
But, I will raise my voice when others don't when reviewer after reviewer do not report or say anything about things that disappointed me like no other buy I've ever done. I'm pretty sure the way I play isn't unique in any way so if they read my comments, maybe they don't need to spend thousands of hard earned $'s on the wrong gear if they get the full picture before buying it. Do you actually know why DJ's like me don't ever use vinyl mode other than for effects? Do you know why the Pioneer CDJ mode is far superior to vinyl mode when you play the way I and many others do? For us it's just as essential as vinyl mode it to your way of playing. I understand that, because when I started and for ten years vinyl was the tool for me. Still do the odd vinyl set when asked to, but scratching has never been and never will be part of the way I play. I have other ways to quick mix and keep the energy high when that's required, and that's when the CDJ mode makes a difference.
TH-cam isn't just an american thing you know. The whole world is watching your channel but there's absolutely differences in how the norm for all kind of DJ's look like and in the gear we use just between the US and Sweden. It's probably even more differences comparing other parts of the world to both the US and Sweden. But we all love a good DJ channel like yours. That we have in common.
3:52 owwwwww!!!! Lol. ⬜
Exciting update right there!
nice great song keep it up
Hope you enjoyed the review too!
Did you get paid from serato dj?
Since you don't have any knowledge about virtual dj capabilities with stem v2, don't announce SERATO as a winner without virtual dj STEM v2 test..
Don't forget that you can use VirtualDJ OS as replacement for Denon OS
I just don't happen to use VDJ
Nice video, I want to add a few informations for everyone interested.
Will it be exclusive to the prime 4+?
No it will not. Denon only made it available for the prime4+ since they want to limit beta users. This STEM update has to be seen as a proof of concept.
Denon says that if everything goes right, the STEM feature will be rolled out to other Denon Products in the next 3 months.
Thanks for the info!
I feel like it's going to take a little longer to get used to 😅😅
Not really! It's just like how long it took us to get used to stems on computer software
I love how Denon lead the way compared to Pioneer Dj. I can't see why didn't you mention Virtual DJ stems they are still better quality than Serato
Simply because I'm not a Virtual DJ user. But I do know they've got the best stems on the market!
wow the Serato Stems are so much better!
Much cleaner than most of the competition!
serato stems are still the better. What a pity we have to get new macbook to make it work :(
Virtual dj stems are the best. Not Serato.
Yup! That's why I did the comparison bit!
No mention of DJ Pro AI Stems 😢
Tried it out, and it was okay, but not as clean as Serato's! I had to cut out a few demos for time constraints
My next acquisition
It's a good target to set your eyes on!
The isolation reminds me of djay pro lol could definitely be better
Indeed, but given that this is a first, I'm sure they'll just get better!
@@djcarlo I’ve noticed it also depends on the track too. Some sound great some don’t lol
Denon is really making it happen!
They are! Made the dream a reality!
Can't wait for A.I. voice stems on a controller
That's the future right there!
Dj Carlo 🎉 iam big fan of you🥵 please help me with you're old dj controller 😫 i also wanna mix like you🥺
I dont have any controllers to give away at the moment. Sorry!
You choose to ignore Virtual DJ as one of the best DJ software on the market when you compare stems quality of Engine OS / Prime 4+ with its competitors. It’s a pity.
They don't need the extra marketing. Plus, in all honesty, comparing Serato DJ's stems vs the rest already pretty much showcases the difference.
I Need one for my birthday 😢
I’m sure you’ll be able to get one eventually!
Oh, and it's a beta version still.
I feel like it's gonna be similar for its full release, but it'll just keep getting cleaner!
Has a DJ play techno and electronic music, mixing with steam have nothing to do for me. I don't like I don't care and I think it will dispersed with time.
It's not for everyone I guess!
@@djcarlo yes exactly what I suggest in fact, but pretty sure with time Tha gone be for hip hop dj or novice.
Rekordbox stems are wack! I think Serato still sounds better!
Oh I do agree. Serato and VDJ have them down the best
LMAO, I like how they didn't include VDJ...
I mentioned VDJ in the video. I just don't happen to use that program, but I'm aware of their stems capabilities
@@djcarlo I don't use VDJ, I just thought it was interesting.
VDJ is the best. I tried Serato never using it before and it wouldnt even connect to my Numark Mixstream Pro GO where as soon as I turned on VDJ it connected without me doing anything. THATS the simplicity dj programs need. Sorry Serato. You lost out on a customer because of your complexity
@@DJMAGICinSL "VDJ is the best" is an opinion that DJs think it's a fact. If you can use any program, then that's the best program to use, I've used Serato for my life but I would never say it's the best, I do prefer it over VDJ but I don't think VDJ is better than Serato. As a matter of fact, Serato is a little more accurate and more "Instant" when it comes to pressing the play or cue buttons. In my opinion.
Y’all messing up our party cadence talking about pit your hands up in the aire ugghhhh
??? What are you talking about?? I'm talking about the controller here, and showing you what I can do??
In my opinion this is nonsense..They shouldn't of came out with a prime plus..They should of gave denon users the feat on the 3.1 update..They also can come out with a denon prime 6..2 channel and 4 channel with the main features..They can keep that prime plus...No Go
I think the problem with the Engine 3.1 update for other units is that other older controllers don't have the hardware for it anymore. I feel like Denon is just testing the waters with this one. We'll see what they come up with though in the future!
Can anyone help me out here... I have a Pioneer DJM 800 mixer and I am in two minds, either to buy 2 Pioneer XDJ 700s or the Denon Prime 4 plus, which would be the better option?
How many decks do you normally use?
@@djcarlo 2
If you enjoy the DJM800, go for the XDJs. However, I would recommend checking out the review of the Prime 4+ too, just to see if it has features you need for you DJ set.