Is Alchemy Satanic? How the Inquisition Tried to Destroy the Hermetic Science
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- In 1396 the Inquisitor General Nicholas Eymerich lashed out against Alchemy. He argued that alchemy was a fool's errand because the transmutation of metals was impossible given how God had created nature. Thus, alchemists were at best frauds but at worst something profoundly sinful: heretics who would eventually forge pacts with Satan. In this episode I explore the most forceful attempt by the Inquisition to outlaw alchemy and condemn the alchemists to torture and being burned alive.
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Maybe the real buried treasure was the demons we summoned along the way
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Alchemy is a good example of how being wrong doesn’t mean you were being stupid. I studied chemistry in college and graduated school and usually you get the hits of alchemy in the “History of Chemistry” and while they didn’t have the tools or knowledge to know what was going on with matter, it’s pretty clear they were trying to engage with the actual natural world the best they could for practical effect and the conversion of say, lead to gold, isn’t on its face impossible if you don’t know about atoms.
You very much have to be wrong a great number of times before you start being even a little bit right!
I taught general chemistry at the college level; right as I was leaving, I thought about pursuing history of science and having a student like you would have been a motivating factor.
Another faculty argued (I say this as professionally as possible: she is being practical) that the only way to measure a student’s success was having successive faculty’s commendation; i.e. gen chem 2 prof did a good job because orgo 1 chem prof says so, inorganic 1 commends orgo 2, phys chem thanks cal 2, analytical and inorganic 1, etc. I used to think that having a student come back after exploring their field and succeeding in producing good labor. Now I think your philosophy is a good indicator too. The ability to value the progress of science because of and not in spite of its errors, also influenced by the unconscious and imagination/other people.
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You speak as if the current academic understanding of how our world operates will not drastically change in 200 years and yet still be applicable in our lives.
They most likely got tangible results from their methods of alchemy just like we get results our chemistry.
@@CremeForce yep. Seems like somebody is messing with us, in this respect.
No transmutation of metals until you discover nuclear physics and build a particle accelerator!
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@@foxyfoxington2651 can transmute unstable elements with time. That's what half lives are all about.
Interesting point.
Hmm, my reply is missing. Anyhow I noted that heavy unstable isotopes will still decay down in the direction of iron and thus you can use simple half-life to transmute metals over time. In fact this magic transmutation over time is what the term half-life encompasses.
@elinope4745 But that half-life is a feature of the original metals as created by God, so -- as Emmerich notes, QED -- we humans aren't transmuting anything.
There is this neat little thing here with how modern science obfuscates its relationship with the hermetic arts. One wonders if things like the systematic under appraisal of Agrippa or idiosyncratic choices by Betz in translating the PGM are echoes of this fear of god (or rather of the inquisition's temporal justice) the inquisition drilled into the forbears of Science.
(how did alchemists avoid becoming sorcerers? Rebrand! Drop the islamicate al' prefix & add the anglicized -ery the discipline name)
Edit: did perhaps the inquisition indeed succeed in driving all spiritual matters to its domain, leaving the science completely orientated to the material?
Modern scientists are not proud of their ancestors and never invite them round to dinner.
(apologies to Douglas Adams)
I try not to associate myself with Inquisitions or Crusades. It never seems to turn out well for people. lol
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Part water would be the comparison point, no?
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I won what would all of those people think about the fact we can now create real diamonds in labs
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Actually, that's a pretty good moral compass for any age. You analise someone's positions and ask yourself: were this person to find themself in the late Middle Ages, would they side with the Inquisition? If they would, you can't expect them... to be reasonable in most regards.
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I love the point that Aristotle said all elements appeared to be produced by geothermal processes, therefore we should be able to duplicate them. He had no way of knowing that stuff comes from stars.
My wife wanted me to mention that some time ago (we can't remember where or when), a laboratory actually transmuted lead into gold. It was EXTREMELY expensive, requiring highly advanced equipment (cyclotrons, if I recall correctly) consuming gargantuan amounts of energy to transmute tiiiiiiny amounts of lead into gold. The value of the amount gold produced was dwarfed by the costs of the process. Were demons involved? Not unless you think quantum mechanics is an arcane art inspired by demons!
I expected to see references to Monty Python in the comments, but a quick scan doesn't seem to reveal any. But that episode has almost become trite, so I'll reference "The History of the World, Part 1". Even at 98 years of age, Mel Brooks is still kickin' it!
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I was once charged with 'alchemical fraud', yet there was a loophole in the transmutation laws in our state...
Reading grimoires has made me wonder about why I so seldom think about buried treasure. It is like quicksand. We just no longer think about it
@@babykraken1 perhaps we've dug it all up already, and we're not burying more treasure
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Alchemy was also a technology and not just a spiritual act. Thought that someone outside noble cast could produce unlimited wealth by themselves and crash the status of the gold reserves must have been apocalyptic scenario to every feudal ruler. Even worse than peasant revolts because it could break feudal system. Of course, many kings had their own alchemists in their court among holy men.
This reminds me of the Mr Mythos episode of treasure hunting with demons.
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“Demons know where lots of buried treasure is” sounds like an awesome start to a D&D adventure.
Thank you looking forward to the next parts of your Agrippa series
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Thank you for the great videos! Just wondering: have you ever studied/read the Voynich Manuscript?
Got a whole video on it
Weird .. Satanism was my gateway drug to alchemy... Must have been reading my grimmoire backwards
I love your deal with the youtube demons, provide transmutational content for ad penny's! Another amazing video, fascinating stuff as usual
“Alchemy is fake and will make you worship Satan, who is totally real!”
Okay, I just understood where the Crystal Heaven and Fixed Stars from the Divine Comedy came from.
I love your videos so much! Thanks for all your hard work! So educational
Sledge? As in sledgehammer? That's metal...
Because he’s a master of transmutation
Thnaks as always! Very interesting stuff! I'd love to explore that agricultural aspect more... Lot of stuff along the lines of what I'm doing that ties in in weird ways. cheers!
Nicholas and the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad inquisitorial textbook.
BRB. I was something else but had to playlist this before it got lost.
I would argue that our modern conception of magic in fantasy is far from what the inquisitors thought it was. It's not about commanding spirits. Heck, summoning demons isn't even considered necromancy any more, but rather necromancy is reserved for things like raising up legions of the undead. Modern fictional magic is more about throwing fireballs than about making demons find you buried treasure.
"so here we are the link of alchemy to heresy had something to do with demons and treasure --why else would we even have this channel."
That is the quote of the day. Love it. 😅
I'm a sociologist which means i've come upon a lot of 20th century phiosophers and thinkers. And it always strikes me how similar some of the more esoteric authors are to actual esotericism.
In this specific instance your explanation of the stance against alchemy, the inability to actually transmute sparks in my mind Adorno. His concept of mimesis and societal progress through natural domination seems like he might have read something akin to that text and had some disagreements. (I personally hate adorno)
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Great video man I'm glad you make this available for us to contemplate..
History angers me. It's amazing how some of our ancestral lines survived this far. Especially when I see some of this extremism in my own family of siblings, uncles or grandparents. I shudder as to how they would have seen me back then. So many subjective feelings of hate, envy and jealousy of others drove people to be so stupid and unkind to others.
When you can’t tell the difference between history and Warhammer 40K lore, you’re probably hearing about the Inquisition.
Amazing content as always, maybe King Arthur or Merlin next, your a master! Love your work!
Super good video thank you,have a wonderful weekend.
Dropping a little bit of last week's parsha in there!! Shabbat shalom¡!! Love the content as always
Great stuff. Great episode!
Could you do an episode on St. Cyprian of Antioch?
Diamonds can be created in a lab. There is no way to tell the difference between a lab-grown diamond (not the same as cubic zirconia) and a natural diamond, except on a molecular level. They are made from pure carbon atoms. There are also lab-grown gemstones of other kinds. Is that a modern form of alchemy? It is literally taking one mineral substance and creating another from it.
“Alchemy is a gateway to diabolism” is the best Eymerich could come up with? No wonder it fell flat!
As a chemist, I'm not a hundred percent sure I agree with your conclusion. While I wouldn't say it's sorcery or the dark arts or mysticism, there's still a fairly sharp line of superstition and mysticism involved with chemistry that distinguishes it from the earliest chemists. While maybe from some perspective there's a big leap between mysticism and sorcery, from a scientists perspective it's all largely the same.
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Medieval theologians: Humans can mimic nature as closely as we are able, but to truly replace it would require knowing the mind of God, which is of course impossible.
Chemists, 500 years later: Hey check out this diamond I made. I think I understand the mind of God now.
Oddly disappointed you didn't say they "just kept on alchemizing."
This is probably a far stretch, but for research purposes could someone go through and correct the subtitles for names?
If not, a possible solution in the future would be showing the English spelling of some names.
Then again, perhaps that's the major hurdle for me to overcome; falling into the rabbit hole(s) and seeing where they take me.
My favorite part of this was learning that, up to a certain point, summoning demons was officially sinful but not heretical lol
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It was a stroke of luck that the Septuagint and Greek scholarship had taken a back seat to translated latin work. After all, what was translated to sorcery was often by current sources, pharmekia, which was directly medicine and such, tho the hebrew would have argued that a malevolent purpose would be part as well, if I have it right. Not saying I do, as I haven't read into it in a while and could be misremembering the hebrew used. I do know that some translations that became english sorcery did come from greek pharmekia, which if considered more direct, could make an argument that would be a form of alchemy, as it was often so. But language hoping in your doctrine bears that issue.
The raw power of suspension of disbelief, I'm no better, still...
Thanks for sharing this !
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"Rich" ... didn't see the "iron-y" lmao all thr puns
A margarita on ice is alchemy too. 🍹
I'd love to see you on nebula
I wonder what the alchemists and the writers of medieval lapidary's would think of modern lab made gemstones?
That they are real gems simply made by art. I think only we fetishize the natural ones.
If only they knew and understood radioactive decay
Excellent video, sir.
"and turn them unto Satan....... but how?" ☠😹
I wonder how much of the argument falling flat just came down to too many people liking alchemy? People like it today even though it's a bunch of outmoded nonsense. The gambler's fallacy in play back then must have been unreal. "Just one more distillation bro. Just one more."
I think the biggest take out of all of this is that Fullmetal Alchemist got everything right about the source material and that's why it's the best anime of all time.
Not the best, but it's good. The manga is better...
Miyazaki, Hisoda, Satoshi Kon
The anime trinity.
Great job as usual !
Never thought I would hear literal stem cell theory applied to metals, let alone 600 years before the actual thing 😅
Wonderful as always!
Alchemy is, it operates in the bounds of awareness.
The Inquisition... well, that was unexpected...
Excellent vids!! 👍
Friendship is magic and magic is heresy
I really liked this one; gold is best left 👌 untouched
Oh if I could obtain PURE greed - where can I buy it???
W's in chat boys and girls, Emrich got owned, alchemy is still kickin'
L + Bad argument + get fired + zealot keeps raving
27:30 Mo alchemy, mo problems
And yet to this day science is demonized by the religious extremes. Thank you for a other wonderful lecture!
@waaurufu so true. It’s sometimes hard to discuss with straight believers who wouldn’t accept that we have already a lot of scientifically verified explanations to previously christian(or Muslim)”mystères of the world we live in”. “World mysteries” that nowadays,have become just absolutely scientifically predictive basic facts. But still,some people don’t want the objectively demonstrated answers;and always pretend their god’s will is the reason to everything happening on earth,like the destin,etc.
I mean to be fair, you can't turn lead into gold
Only 8 more shots bro
@@Space-DolphinPosadist It is scientifically proven that the vax is experimental bs. That the dogmatic scientific community thinks otherwise is something else.
Alright, Eymerich, we appreciate your creativity, but you will still end up failing high school chemistry. LOL
Gotta admit, I was not expecting the Spanish Inquisition.
Why would you - this was a couple hundred years before the Spanish inquisition
I do not care for the term 'pipeline' - I much prefer the phrase, 'Alchemy to Satanism waterslide.'
Alchemy. The perpetuum mobile of bling. One day! Hear me out, man!
I need to listen more
Duh just figured out dragon dens.
We all expected the Inquisition, Spanish or otherwise
Go down to the Crossroads, and learn to play the Alchemist Blues