If I went from a 13 tooth front sprocket and a 49 rear tooth sprocket to a 14 front sprocket and also to a 48 rear tooth sprocket would that make my kx80 more faster
I went up 1 tooth on the front for my ADV bike to get better highway speed. I went down 1 tooth in the front and up 2 in the rear on my superbike for better torque on the street. I brought them both to the middle where I drive the most.
Sounds like good changes. What it really boils down to is how you ride and what you want from your motorcycle. Which is exactly what you've described. Thanks for the comment. Ride safe.
You don't "rev up higher" (@2:23) with a longer gearing...you get more speed per RPM (and that's even doubtful if you overdo it in the gearing department). You "rev up higher" if the bike can rev up higher in relation to the work that's been asked to do. If the work is too much (e.g. carrying a weight it can't carry, or when the gearing is too long) the engine will have difficulties to rev up. The shorter the gearing the faster it 'll get to high rpms but the less top speed you'll end up with. Having said that there's a sweet spot for every bike (different transmission, weight, wheel size, etc) for every purpose it can be used for.
still uncertain if i should down 3 on the rear or plus 1 on the front. They both gave the same result but what effect does it have on the bike other than speed and engine rpm.
Thanks for watching akupehsluarketatAR. If you play with the counter shaft sprocket, it is inexpensive (+/- $20) and you will not need to change your chain to "feel the results." Making that adjustment will let you have a better understanding of "what you really need" to get the proper feel. RPM's will change... but so will the bikes responsiveness, torque and top speeds. What is the Year / Make / Model of your bike and what are you trying to accomplish? - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports im currently riding a Monster 1100evo. its my daily rider and i occasionally do long distance riding with it. The bike gets to its limited rpm of just 7900 pretty easily. So im thinking of going up 1 tooth on the front to see if i can get higher top speed and also increase the fuel range as the tiny 13litre tank takes me about 185km at most before hitting reserve when im riding between 160 - 200kph. Hitting full throttle only lasted me 155km. So im thinking of swapping to a 16t when im off for a long ride and back to 15t for daily commute
That sounds like a perfect combo! I do the same on my 2009 KTM 950 Super Enduro. For the Commute & Highway to my destinations I run a 16T in the front. When I know I will be hitting trails for a day or more... I drop down to a 15T Front. With the 16T I can hit 130 mph... but with the 15T can can just barely get over 100 mph. But Off Road - it's Amazing! - Kyle
I'm dyslexic, and this was too many numbers for me to comprehend in the TH-cam videos. So short and simple, changing my front sprocket is not an option in my case. At least not for another six months when more money becomes available. (I can't even get to the front sprocket to count the teeth without disassembling 1/2 the motor.) However I'm upgrading my entire rear tire/ rim from spoke to mag rim. (Primarily because I keep bending the spoke rims) This forces me to change some mounting adapters, currently I have 42T on the rear large sprocket, Some of the longer steeper hills I can hear and feel the bike struggle to climb. But on flat straight road I'm averaging 22 mph at full throttle. In my particular case, this is all original parts, as a new "in box" gift from a friend. It's now only a few months and 200 miles old, still in its breaking in stages. So my dilemma is it wouldn't hurt to have more hill climbing power, but I'm riding on highway roads and can't afford to lose speed. I need to keep up with the slow lane traffic. Most the slow traffic is at least 35 mph. The adapter for the mag rim I'm looking at online is set up with a 36T sprocket. How will the difference between the 42T and the 36T help or hurt me? If I can find the same adapter I need with a different tooth, what number tooth do you recommend? I am very limited what I can change. This is a bicycle with a 2 cycle motor on it. So I know I'm not any where near what a normal motorcycle has for engine ability. But I know that the principles the gear ratio are the same. One more factor that might help make a difference, is I almost always have a wagon/ trailer pulled behind me to carry spare gas, tools, and carry groceries home. (My current gas tank is bearly one gallon, I have a small Harley Davidson gas tank, that is estimated three or four gallons at a house I recently inherited 62 miles away, that I plan to try fitting on for longer rides between fill ups. The irony is I almost need that tank to travel that far to pick it up.) I live in the sticks, and it's 25 miles one way to Walmart. (50 miles round trip) I'm getting between 35 and 45 miles to a gallon. [Possibly between 50 and 75, if I don't idle it to let it warm up] so with my current set up, I can get from the house to Walmart, and even most of the way home on a tank, but to save myself aggravation, try to remember to top off before leaving Walmart to head home.
Thank you for your inquiry. Sounds like your bike is a ton of fun! If your bike is struggling on steeper hills with the 42T sprocket, you might be walking it up if you install the 36T! That is a huge jump and while it will help get you a higher top speed, your bike will suffer on take off, and when going up hill. Be careful going to mag wheel... instead of bending spokes, you may crack rims and that would not be fun! The Harley tank sounds fun! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I have a 2023 KLX140 I went down 2 teeth (14t to 12t) in the front and just recently went down 1 tooth on the rear (50t to 49t) and I find it really balanced my bike out. I was hitting the rev limiter way too fast with the 12t on the front and 50t on the back but that 1 tooth decrease in the rear has really made a difference for how I ride. Hope this helps anyone trying to figure out a good balance point
Hello, take a look at this article, specifically the image of the sprocket chart to see how changes with effect your setup: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2018/06/22/tech-tip-dirt-bike-chains-sprockets-and-gear-ratios/
For understanding the gear up vs down, just look at a bicycle... it has different gears in place and you can test the changes yourself. Bigger gear in the front makes top speed, bigger gear in the rear makes slower speed and more torque
Nice content. Need your advice my Kawasaki KLX150 stock sprocket is front 14T and rear 52T. Tyre size front 21 rear 18. Now i want to learn slow wheelie can you advice what is the best size of sprocket should i use for the front and rear. I mean by changing the sprocket i can bring up the wheel easily. Thanks
waiting for my CRF 300 L going with a Dunlop D606 rear tire and a Pirelli M16 front, do not want to take away from the front as it is all ready a 14 tooth but because of the 10 mm larger tire wanting to go to a 45 rear, This bike will be used 90% dirt road and trail, only pavement will be going to and from the dirt. Also wanting a X ring chain. would a aluminum rear sprocket make a lot of difference. looking for torque not speed, at 73 will be taking it slow, already have a KTM 390 Adventure and a DR650 for road DR 650 for long distant dirt roads. Bough have Dunlop TrailMax Mission tires, so not the best for mud and deep sand. That is where the CRF 300L will come in to play. Thanks for the video did like it very much, there is another one I seen on tires and gearing for the CRF 300 L, also a very good video.
Hello, you probably won't notice much of a performance difference with that sprocket. It will most likely cost a bit more than steel and wear faster than a steel sprocket.
My Dear I have a honda nc700x, and the standard sprocket is 16 front and 43 rear but I've already changed the rear to 41, but didn't get me more top end speed and in my 6th gear it loses power and I have to ride all the time in my 5th 'cause the 6th isn't getting me no more speed, so should a change now the front to a 17 and maintain the 41 rear, will I get my desire top end speed?? And another thing with the standard 16front and 43back I used to get 188km/h but now that I changed to 41 rear it is faster but lost top end speed and get to 170km/h, I want your help getting a top end speed like to 199km/h
I have been drag racing for decades and land speed racing for eight years. I have about nine different combinations of gearing to run, sometimes I gave moved down from 525 go 520, moved from O or X to racing, have run steel, aluminum, and combinations of steel and aluminum. Depending on the type of racing, street or touring riding it can make quite a difference in dialing in the gearing. I learn something every time.
hey youtube, this video is a little bit misleading, at least when it comes to street use, no matter how fast you are going, there will not be a noticeable difference in steel vs aluminum, the main difference will be that the aluminum one will degrade faster, if you really want the aluminum performance with the steel longevity i rock supersprox on all my street bikes, also with the gearing thing, the creators of the video have the terms wrong, putting more teeth on the rear and less on the front is gearing up because the gear ratio goes up (pretty obvious don't know how they made that mistake) and putting less on the rear and more on the front is gearing down, for example a 17 45 setup would have a 2.64 gear ratio because 45/17=2.64 whereas a 17 42 combo will have a gear ratio of 2.47, the higher the number = higher gearing = more torque.. lower number = lower gearing = more similar rotation speed between the engine and the rear wheel = higher speed.
Great question MX JOE. Typically no, but the rear sprocket is pretty big. Look at your chain adjusters. If you have more than a 1/4" of "play" or adjustment towards the front of the adjuster you will probably have enough room to add 1 tooth in the rear. Keep in mind that as you add teeth, the axle will be pushed closer to the front of the bike. Scope that adjuster out... It is there that you will find your answer. - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@danejurus69 -- No. Adding teeth to the rear sprocket will make the sprocket "occupy" more chain links, leaving fewer chain links for the top and bottom runs of the chain. If there are fewer chain links available for the top and bottom runs of the chain, that means the distance between the countershaft sprocket and the rear sprocket will be SHORTER. This means that when you add teeth to the rear sprocket, the rear axle will have to move forward, closer to the countershaft sprocket.
@mxjoe1777 -- The internet is largely timeless. THOUSANDS of people might read any particular post or comment over a period of years. My comment wasn't for the original poster as much as it was for the entire community of riders who might be reading this thread.
So I bought a R6 and my front sprocket nut was loose and came off which was funny but annoying but anyways as I was diagnosing the problem I actually noticed that my front sprocket wasnt stock it was a 15 tooth (stock is 16 tooth which it also threw off my speedo by 5 mph so if I was going 40 mph I was actually doing 35 mph) which according to this video means that it was geared towards torque so what type of performance would I get from going up 2 teeth from stock in the front and going down 2 teeth in the back
Thank you for your inquiry Drake. Wow! That would be an effective 8 teeth (or so) smaller in the back! Your bike will become very sluggish off the line requiring a great deal of clutch slipping to get rolling. Your top speed will increase and your RPM's at any speed will be lower giving you better fuel economy. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
The only instance in which making the final drive ratio smaller (gearing up) increases top speed is if your bike currently bounces off the limiter in top gear. That's it. The change in speed would only be single digit percentages. If you're not at the limiter currently then speed will not change at all, only the engine rpm at top speed will. It would be great if the people who sell parts for a living understood & explained this concept to their customers.
Hi my name is Justin and I wanted to up on the torque but keep my top end high out of tight turns , right now on my 07 gsxr 600 I’m running a 15/43 525 . If you had any comments and suggestions I’ll be greatly appreciated thanks again and I really like the videos .
Hello, thanks for watching our video. Play around with this gearing calculator and it may help you decide what setup is best for you: www.gearingcommander.com/
Might want to clarify that at the 4:42 minute mark that if this was on a left side drive, the master link clip was shown to be backwards in relation to actual correct installation of the clip. This video footage might mislead some people who learned from watching and use this as a guide for installation as well..
Hi Dave, sorry but not exactly sure. We are not familiar with that bike. There are sever factors such as what gearing you decide to go with. Search the web, there is a gearing tool that may be able to give you some numbers.
You guys did a good video, but it would be so much more better A lot of people are not Gearheads you're using the slang of Gearhead and we don't know what you're really saying, if you could break it down at least one time so we have an idea we could break it down why were watching the video what you actually say that would be great plus more people will come in to watch a video and I guess that's what you want right! Like why would you want to gear down explain that why would you want to give up, what is the top end etc.
Hi Granger, thanks for the suggestion. We will take your comments into consideration for the next time. In the meantime take a look at this article. It may help clear some things up for you. www.chapmoto.com/blog/2011/04/25/adjusting-your-drive-ratio-changing-your-sprockets-for-maximum-performance/
Klx 250 ... doing trails i constantly need to shift btween 1 and 2 gear as 2nd gear wont give power ... running on stock what changes i should make ... thanks already :)
Hi Humair, sounds like you need more bottom end, you can either step down on the countershaft sprocket or go up in teeth on the rear sprocket. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
My son has a 4 stroke pit bike 125cc. First gear is so short it may as well be irrelevant. Not even long enough for wheelies or going up a hill. Almost never gets used. Other than that the torque and performance in every other gear is great. What would you reccomend that i do to get a little more out of 1st gear before he has to shift ? PLEASE REPLY
you could go 1 tooth larger in the front, if there is room... or you can go up town three teeth or so in the rear. That should help! - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports ty!! Actually just ordered the piranha 140cc to put in it. Cant wait. Itll be a fun swap and the piranha is supposed to be more reliable
I noticed that easily hit the rpm limiter with my 15t x 46t combination. I decided to change to 16t x 49t, practically same gear ratios. I noticed a relax rpm ang long gearings in my lower gears, giving me the needed rpm to hit the top speed.
My son has a 49cc pocket bike. It runs two chains. One goes from the 44 tooth sprocket on the rear wheel to a 20 tooth sprocket half way to the engine say mounted in the middle. The second chain goes from the 20 tooth sprocket mounted in the middle to a 21 tooth sprocket mounted to the engine. The chain won't stay on the gear from the middle sprocket to the engine. About a quarter ways through the first rotation it starts slipping and won't pull and you can see the chain isn't lining up with the teeth on the gears. Is it because the chain needs more or less links? Or would you guys have any idea as to what I might need to try?
Just trying to learn something about gear ratio for highest top end speed. Working on a fun 4 stroke motorized skateboard project and trying to learn all that i can
Thee best job in explaining all of this , and yes it can be confusing, I have numerous bikes and have always just figured factory set ups were the best, I am going to play around with gearing, now that I kinda understand it a little better
I ride a yz450f and I seem to not need to shift gears nearly as much as others I ride with and I'd like to calm down the bike some. The gearing is stock now. What change would help me? I ride tracks mostly.
My bike broke down and i got a sketchy guy to fix it for cheap by changing only the chain and i didn't know anything about them. A day later it broke down again and now that i have watched this video it helped me a lot to understand and i know what to order. Thank you very much
Geared down. Im running an Sv1000 with -1tooth front and +3teeth rear. Who needs a 170mph road bike when 2nd gear wheelies happen at 40 👍does chew through fuel and need to recalibrate speedo but its worth it.
Thank you for your inquiry. It will depend on the bike, the tires... lots of variables. Test it and find out! We are curios to hear of your outcome. What is the Year / Make / Model of the bike in question? -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Top speed won't change unless the bike is hitting the rev limiter in top gear. Only the engine rpm at top speed will change. The only way to increase top speed is to increase power or decrease drag.
Hello, i have a 110cc underbone bike and has a four speed gearbox, i noticed that when in 1st and 2nd gear the rpm gets high really fast like 1st gear=10-20kph then 2nd gear 20-40kph then when i get to 3rd and 4th gear i notice that my rpm is struggling to rise therefore i could only max my bike upto 70-85kph. I usually only ride on flat road/highways. What should i do? Decrease or increase my sprocket size? Thank you in advance, a reply would be very much appreciated
have a QRC kart with a Tillotson 225rs going with a 13 tooth front sprocket and a 60 tooth rear, trying to get to that 6300 rpm mark, will this help on top sped running near 38 mph at this time with a 12 front 59 rear hitting 5700 rpm
Really helpful lads, thanks heaps, I have heard people saying all the "take a tooth" "add a tooth" "gear up" "gear down" and have always just politely smiled along... I actually know what is going on now. HAHAHAHAHA
And that my friend is what it is all about. And that is a common problem with this industry... guys talk as if "everyone should know" what they are talking about... instead of backing it up a bit. Happy to be of assistance. It is tricky, even seasoned vets of the sport get a bit confused a bit sometimes ;) Thanks for watching! - Kyle
So to gain more top speed and extend the gears (1,2,3) on my m2r kxf125 pitbike that I’m converting to a uk road legal supermoto I would ideal try and go 1-3 teeth up in the front and leave the rear? Stock wheels are f14-r12 but Upgrading to f16/r14. I’m not sure on the chain length but I’d say the bike has less than 5hours on it from new
Hi, you can go either way. Either switch up the rear or switch up the front. Switching the rear will be a mild change andn switching up the front will be a more noticeable change. Take a look at this article for further information: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2018/06/22/tech-tip-dirt-bike-chains-sprockets-and-gear-ratios/
Top speed won't change unless the bike is hitting the rev limiter in top gear. Only the engine rpm at top speed will change. The only way to increase top speed is to increase power or decrease drag.
gearing up ! have a small pitbike went from 10 inch wheels to 14 inch wheel bigger forks and now looking to go fast with little 49 cc motor, going to 16 tooth up front and as low as 35 tooth in the rear but will be using gear ratio charts that you mentioned in your video this will be my first build so please any advice I can get will be appreciated
Oh heck yeah Timothy! That build sounds like a fun project. The chart will help you greatly and the cost effective way to make a change is to make the counter shaft sprocket change... see if you like it... make necessary changes.... Once you get close, you can fine tune with a complete set in the proper sized front and rear sprockets for that specific gear ratio. Have fun! - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Keep in mind that if the gear up is too drastic, the engine might not have enough power to ever max out on top gear and may nog on the bottom end really badly... I have 0 clue about sprocket sizes for small pit bikes, so it may not be as crazy of a change as it sounds to me.
I don't quite understand, I have an old CB200 and i use it to commute to work. I used to have a front 14, and the rear is 39, it was faster coming off the light but it vibrates crazy when getting the top speed. Now i changed my rear set to 42 and the cruising rpm has lowered vibration. I want to get a bigger sprocket to get less vibrations. But this video makes me think otherwise
Hi, I have a aprillia Tuono rsv1000r 2007, and I use it for touring in Europe in the twisty roads, my stock is 16/40, and its very lumpy low speeds, I want to smooth that out but I do not want to lose the pull or top end speed People have said 15/42 but my head is mashed now lol any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Drexel
Hi Drexel, changing to a 16/40 setup could suit you well but it's a rather drastic jump. You're on a RSV1000 so the top end shouldn't be to much of an issue. Maybe try smaller change like just a 40 tooth rear and see how it suits you before going all in with the 16/40. Thanks for watching.
@@chaparralmotorsports I like jumping in at the deep end, I am very adaptable, been on so many bikes, so I will just go 16/40, will that still give me amazing pull up the gears?
Does this matter if it’s a 2 stroke vs a 4 stroke? And is it worth gearing down a 2021 ktm 85sx small wheel? She’s a beginner that is hitting double / small triple jumps. She’s 85/90 lbs
This is something that would take a little more information. Please give our customer service department a call and they can discuss and help you decide what the best option would be.
Hello! I have a 2021 ZX14R with a 16T front and a 42T rear with a 530 chain. Do you know any or any place where I cld get a 16T front on a 42R with a 525 chain? The bike is stretched abt 5 inches, bt I wanted to go with a lighter chain all on a 525 set up. Do u know where I can get this set up frm
I'm thinking about doing a -1+2 520 gear and chain conversion on my 2023 ZX4RR. I want to have better take off and move my torque down in the RPM range. I'm not interested in top speed. I just want to overtake on the road without gearing down so much to capture the higher torque and taking off from a stop light a little quicker. Am I thinking correctly?
My dirt bike is a Honda 100cc. Every time I ride for at the most 10 mins the chain rips off. I don’t know why it’s just ripping off and I would wonder why. Any help?
This was achieved very helpful! I recently got an 1988 kdx80 about a month ago and I want to get higher speeds from it I mainly drive it on country roads and on dirt trails. I'm not really taking it in the mud or doing endurance. So this really helped me to figure out what gearing ratio I want. Thank you guys! 👍
I have a ninja 300 i want more initial power . My bike tops speed 190 if 10 to 20 speed reduce its fine but want more power in the initial. Which should i do please can u help
Hello, take a look at this, it may help you decide what's best for your situation: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2011/04/25/adjusting-your-drive-ratio-changing-your-sprockets-for-maximum-performance/
If you go down 1 teeth in the front what exactly is happening? For example lets say that with 16 teeth in front you will hit 50mph @ 5seconds. With 15teeth ( 1down) you will hit 50mph in less seconds? Or am I mistaken? Thanks
Thank you for your inquiry Jescut23. It really depends on the bike, where it makes it's power at... lots of factors. Check out this Blog we put together outlining just exactly what is happening: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2011/04/25/adjusting-your-drive-ratio-changing-your-sprockets-for-maximum-performance/ -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I ride a smaller trail bike its the klx 140L and I want to get change my chain and sprockets so that I can have moderately more low end grunt. Which if I understand correctly that is adding 2 teeth to the rear sprocket?
Why does everyone say if you want to climb large Sandy Hills to go down in the front or go up in the back? I'm trying to get my third gear to have more power it bogs down when I climb huge Sandy Hills so I figured I needed to shorten the third gear hoping going down a tooth in the front and up two tooth in the back I can have more acceleration power in third gear. What do you think of this?
So if i gear up put bigger front or smaller rear sprocket and get higher top speed, if i gear down I put smaller front or bigger rear sprocket and get more torque? Someone please confirm this.
Yes, that is correct. Gearing up will be exactly what you have just described. The bike typically will take more effort to get going, but will roll at lower RPM's and at higher speeds at the top. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Top speed won't change unless the bike is hitting the rev limiter in top gear. Only the engine rpm at top speed will change. The only way to increase top speed is to increase power or decrease drag.
Hello, take a look at this chart at the end of this article to get an idea as to what setup you may want to run: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2011/04/25/adjusting-your-drive-ratio-changing-your-sprockets-for-maximum-performance/
so have a drz400 and i ride track all the time im wanting a little more torque and a little more speed my gearing now is a 14 front and 47 rear what would change to get that ?
Hello, check out this gearing calculator, it can be useful to help figure out what you may want to use for a setup on your bike: www.gearingcommander.com/
Hello, you will gain more bottom end. Take a look at the chart in this post: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2018/06/22/tech-tip-dirt-bike-chains-sprockets-and-gear-ratios/
I'm still confused lol , I can't add another tooth on the front sprocket without taking the case saver out , so I'm just working with the back . I want higher speed and lower rpm . So I can cruise. Currently at 13t to 48t . And I just clip 80 k at top speed on a 2022 crf250f.
Hey really need your help. I’m working on a project and don’t know what gearing to go with. Front and rear wheel are a size 12” inch and it’s a #415 chain. Also it’s a 100cc two-stroke engine. Thank you so much and awesome video
Hello, it really depends on what you are looking for performance wise. Check out this website and put in you vehicle's information and then play around with different combinations to see what suits your needs. www.gearingcommander.com/
@@chaparralmotorsports this is more of a custom bike so it’s not on your chart. It’s a kids you could say pocket bike front wheel is a size 12. The rear wheel is a size 12 with 415 chain. something that takes off faster. I’m sorry really new to this
Best explanation I have heard and seen- excellent job guys 👏👏👏 I didn’t know much about this subject until I wanted a bit more torque out of my KTM 390 Adventure. So someone recommended going from a 15T fron to a 14T front sprocket and leave the rear 45T sprocket as is. It did make a nice little difference alright though I have a few more rpm’s now at lower speeds but the combo worked well for slow traffic and trail rides. So I geared down if I got this right 🤔😬..yes 🥴 In anyway it’s a nicer experience now and I am very happy 😃😂😂😂 Stay safe and thank you for sharing your knowledge ✊ Cheers Jim
Hello, hope u r doing well I found ur msg helpful since I had 2023 Duke 390 street bike a month ago, I'm thinking to do the same as u, front sprocket 15T to 14T So to be clearly understand, this will give me longer Rpm n more top speed without losing power, isn't it?
Honda CR 125 1995 Manual says 13/51 but I want more bottom end and the manual says you can go 13/53 which is a ratio of 4.08 Mine has 12/49 on it which is also a ratio of 4.08 So thats the same isnt it, so its already at the maximum for more bottom end? Great video Just liked/subscribed Thanks
I have a 1963 Honda C100 supercub that I rebuilt... It has the original 49cc 4-stroke air cooled engine with a three gear transmission. It has 14 tooth sprocket with a 40 tooth drive sprocket. At top speed I hit about 43 mph. I trying to get to at 50 mph. Should I go with a 15 tooth front sprocket or a 37 tooth drive sprocket??
Top speed won't change unless the bike is hitting the rev limiter in top gear. Only the engine rpm at top speed will change. The only way to increase top speed is to increase power or decrease drag.
Hello my name is Billy what I do is Racing Drag mowers what I run is pulleys well im running a 5 in pulley in the front and a 2 in the back ..runs great and I win first place .. ok but the problem is I slip on take offs from a stop or starts during a drag race . If I go up to a 6 in the front and 3 in the rear will that ratio be close to what I have ? But when I do win it's by a half a hood .. (not much) The setup I have is great but like I said I deal with slip in the rear when taking off .. I do have another mower with a 6 to 3 set up and it dose great and wins but the 5 to 2 ratio setup has a smaller engine in a different class. Winning by a hair lol. Thanks fo any info to help thank you... Billy. P.s they both have same trans and rear tire size but different engines
your engine powerband will tell you what ratio combo is best..not theories like put a rear 2th up for more bottom torque..if she spins then you aint got nothing more..you got less pull for less time..if she power wheelie offroad then your sprocket ratio is about right..the pull on your hands say the truth..spinning all gears is not the way...test different gear ratio to find the proper one..dont listen what others say..test and find out
Trial and error... That is the best. Same bike, same terrain, different riders will sometimes require different gearing to make their bike run they way they want it to feel. Thanks for your feedback. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports some riders still cant set up their bike based on powerband..like a crf450 that has power on bottom and mid power if you shorten the ratio..she will be slower because you will never ever hit the sweet spot..its gone before wot...riders have to understand why its happening....while a ktm 450 that has more top she will pull better with shorter ratio...the shocking is that i didnt wait so much difference with my kx 450 going from 13-51 to a 14-51...shocking is that with 14-51 the bike had more acce...more everywhere...the take off is insane...i check it for 2 hours...my bike with that powerband the 13-51 was holding her back a lot....so check test and ride..
@@chaparralmotorsports yes...the numbers may show that shorter gearing gives more torque and acce but thats half story..in real life tho you go slower tractability counts on a tuned bike or even stock
I have a 2004 raptor 660 but bore out to 727 with stage two hot cams with stock sprockets . Do I want to go small sprockets in the rear so I can go faster for top speed? Is top speed better then torque?
Hello, the sprocket setup all depends on what you are looking for/personal preference/riding style. Do you want more top speed or more torque? Some people want to go as fast as they can and some people want more power down low.
I purchased a 2002 cr250r and use it for trail more than anything else. I have a tall first gear. If I understand I correctly I can take 1 tooth off the first sprocket and shorten the first gear. Is that correct? Thanks for your help.
Thanks for your suggestion Duke. This is one of those "depends on who you talk to" types of topics. Kinda like Oil and Tires ;)- We will put something together. Thanks for watching! - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I’ve tried to put 14 tooth sprocket on the front and the chain guard won’t fit. With a five pitch sprocket you’re adding five eights to the circumference and it won’t fit.
Im still pretty confused. I have a 22 grom and i want to run a 14t up front cause i need a little more pep through town but i dont want my gears shorter 1st and second are short enough already. So i add a tooth in the rear?
Hi, not sure exactly what you are saying, but I think you want your dirt bike to go over 100mph? Probably not going to happen--even with a gearing change. Thanks for watching.
Really the best video I've watched in a while and that's saying alot. You guy's are good at this very informative and professional, helpful knowledge and that's honestly a good looking kit.
I'm looking at buying an Enduro bike. So I'm trying to learn everything thing I can. Engine repair suspension. Want to learn how to up the weight limit for deep wood travels. But I also have to keep it streetable so I can teach my son how to ride. 😊
What chain do you guys think gives the best longevity for a zx14? For say a heavy commuting grandpa with an SLIGHTLY...SOMETIMES...heavy wrist. With steel sprockets. And average preventive maintenance practices.
Thank you for your inquiry K W, Jr. , I have owned a ZX12R and am very hard on my gear. I ran RK on that bike and was very happy. RK had a 20K mile warranty! Pretty amazing. Check out this RK vid we did earlier this year th-cam.com/video/Dx8NL-Y5HLM/w-d-xo.html - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
For reference, my 2009 FZ-1 (150HP) currently has 34,000 miles on its factory 530 D.I.D chain & Sunstar sprockets. I regularly measure chain deflection & loaded link length (stretch) & it's nowhere near the spec'd limit yet.
I have done a bunch of research on the AT gearing lately. We have tired three different front sprockets and two different rear sprockets. Stock gearing is really good for "all around use." Honda has it pretty dialed. A commuter customer, we did 1 up in the front and 2 down in the rear as he wanted to significantly drop his RPM's at 80 mph. It worked... but I would not want to ride that thing off road! Another customer dropped a tooth in the front and increased the rear by 3 which made 1st gear unnecessary on the street. So many combos... -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Hello, check out the Gear Commander site and play with the different gearing combinations to see how they will effect the performance of your bike: www.gearingcommander.com/
So how much does 525 sprockets at 15t front and 45t rear cost to be mounted on a 1997 P2 model Zx7r Kawasaki Ninja motorcycle for track day purposes ? I been looking for matching vortex or renthal type. And I stumbled onto this one by Supersrox. I found renthal 520 and 525 type pitch sprockets. One round $88 i think n other one was 34 dollars n change ....
Hello, if you are interested in having our service department installed sprockets for you, please give them a call at (909) 889-2761 Tuesday - Saturday: 10:00am to 6:00pm
If I went from a 13 tooth front sprocket and a 49 rear tooth sprocket to a 14 front sprocket and also to a 48 rear tooth sprocket would that make my kx80 more faster
Hello, yeah that combo should give you a little bit more on the top end.
Great explanation guys, much less confusing now !!
Thank you William Johnson. That was the goal... glad it worked! Thanks for watching. Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I went up 1 tooth on the front for my ADV bike to get better highway speed. I went down 1 tooth in the front and up 2 in the rear on my superbike for better torque on the street. I brought them both to the middle where I drive the most.
Sounds like good changes. What it really boils down to is how you ride and what you want from your motorcycle. Which is exactly what you've described. Thanks for the comment. Ride safe.
You don't "rev up higher" (@2:23) with a longer gearing...you get more speed per RPM (and that's even doubtful if you overdo it in the gearing department). You "rev up higher" if the bike can rev up higher in relation to the work that's been asked to do. If the work is too much (e.g. carrying a weight it can't carry, or when the gearing is too long) the engine will have difficulties to rev up. The shorter the gearing the faster it 'll get to high rpms but the less top speed you'll end up with. Having said that there's a sweet spot for every bike (different transmission, weight, wheel size, etc) for every purpose it can be used for.
still uncertain if i should down 3 on the rear or plus 1 on the front. They both gave the same result but what effect does it have on the bike other than speed and engine rpm.
Thanks for watching akupehsluarketatAR. If you play with the counter shaft sprocket, it is inexpensive (+/- $20) and you will not need to change your chain to "feel the results." Making that adjustment will let you have a better understanding of "what you really need" to get the proper feel. RPM's will change... but so will the bikes responsiveness, torque and top speeds. What is the Year / Make / Model of your bike and what are you trying to accomplish? - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports im currently riding a Monster 1100evo. its my daily rider and i occasionally do long distance riding with it. The bike gets to its limited rpm of just 7900 pretty easily. So im thinking of going up 1 tooth on the front to see if i can get higher top speed and also increase the fuel range as the tiny 13litre tank takes me about 185km at most before hitting reserve when im riding between 160 - 200kph. Hitting full throttle only lasted me 155km. So im thinking of swapping to a 16t when im off for a long ride and back to 15t for daily commute
That sounds like a perfect combo! I do the same on my 2009 KTM 950 Super Enduro. For the Commute & Highway to my destinations I run a 16T in the front. When I know I will be hitting trails for a day or more... I drop down to a 15T Front. With the 16T I can hit 130 mph... but with the 15T can can just barely get over 100 mph. But Off Road - it's Amazing! - Kyle
@@chaparralmotorsports i cant even go above 30mph in the dirt without crashing
Any time you make a sprocket smaller chain wear will be increased. This is because the chain now has to turn along a sharper radius.
what is the rule for what chain length to use if you go up 1 tooth in the front or 1 tooth in th rear. Thanks, great video guys.
Great info, thank you very much. Liked and sub you in appreciation.
Awesome! Happy to be of service.
@@chaparralmotorsports 0 see loo
I'm dyslexic, and this was too many numbers for me to comprehend in the TH-cam videos. So short and simple, changing my front sprocket is not an option in my case. At least not for another six months when more money becomes available. (I can't even get to the front sprocket to count the teeth without disassembling 1/2 the motor.) However I'm upgrading my entire rear tire/ rim from spoke to mag rim. (Primarily because I keep bending the spoke rims) This forces me to change some mounting adapters, currently I have 42T on the rear large sprocket, Some of the longer steeper hills I can hear and feel the bike struggle to climb. But on flat straight road I'm averaging 22 mph at full throttle. In my particular case, this is all original parts, as a new "in box" gift from a friend. It's now only a few months and 200 miles old, still in its breaking in stages. So my dilemma is it wouldn't hurt to have more hill climbing power, but I'm riding on highway roads and can't afford to lose speed. I need to keep up with the slow lane traffic. Most the slow traffic is at least 35 mph. The adapter for the mag rim I'm looking at online is set up with a 36T sprocket. How will the difference between the 42T and the 36T help or hurt me? If I can find the same adapter I need with a different tooth, what number tooth do you recommend? I am very limited what I can change. This is a bicycle with a 2 cycle motor on it. So I know I'm not any where near what a normal motorcycle has for engine ability. But I know that the principles the gear ratio are the same. One more factor that might help make a difference, is I almost always have a wagon/ trailer pulled behind me to carry spare gas, tools, and carry groceries home. (My current gas tank is bearly one gallon, I have a small Harley Davidson gas tank, that is estimated three or four gallons at a house I recently inherited 62 miles away, that I plan to try fitting on for longer rides between fill ups. The irony is I almost need that tank to travel that far to pick it up.) I live in the sticks, and it's 25 miles one way to Walmart. (50 miles round trip) I'm getting between 35 and 45 miles to a gallon. [Possibly between 50 and 75, if I don't idle it to let it warm up] so with my current set up, I can get from the house to Walmart, and even most of the way home on a tank, but to save myself aggravation, try to remember to top off before leaving Walmart to head home.
Thank you for your inquiry. Sounds like your bike is a ton of fun! If your bike is struggling on steeper hills with the 42T sprocket, you might be walking it up if you install the 36T! That is a huge jump and while it will help get you a higher top speed, your bike will suffer on take off, and when going up hill. Be careful going to mag wheel... instead of bending spokes, you may crack rims and that would not be fun! The Harley tank sounds fun! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I have a 2023 KLX140 I went down 2 teeth (14t to 12t) in the front and just recently went down 1 tooth on the rear (50t to 49t) and I find it really balanced my bike out. I was hitting the rev limiter way too fast with the 12t on the front and 50t on the back but that 1 tooth decrease in the rear has really made a difference for how I ride. Hope this helps anyone trying to figure out a good balance point
Hello, thank you for providing such great insight. Hopefully others will find this information useful.
What happens if you have a 16tooth front and a 41tooth back?
Like a bigger front and a smaller back?
Hello, take a look at this article, specifically the image of the sprocket chart to see how changes with effect your setup: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2018/06/22/tech-tip-dirt-bike-chains-sprockets-and-gear-ratios/
For understanding the gear up vs down, just look at a bicycle... it has different gears in place and you can test the changes yourself. Bigger gear in the front makes top speed, bigger gear in the rear makes slower speed and more torque
Thanks for pointing that out.
hai. i use klx 140 2017. i use chain 428 / 14-57. what is the gear size if i want to use the 520 chain. thank you
Nice content. Need your advice my Kawasaki KLX150 stock sprocket is front 14T and rear 52T. Tyre size front 21 rear 18. Now i want to learn slow wheelie can you advice what is the best size of sprocket should i use for the front and rear. I mean by changing the sprocket i can bring up the wheel easily. Thanks
Hey thanks for watching. Please give us a call, we have people that can discuss this with you. (800) 841-2961
waiting for my CRF 300 L going with a Dunlop D606 rear tire and a Pirelli M16 front, do not want to take away from the front as it is all ready a 14 tooth but because of the 10 mm larger tire wanting to go to a 45 rear, This bike will be used 90% dirt road and trail, only pavement will be going to and from the dirt. Also wanting a X ring chain. would a aluminum rear sprocket make a lot of difference. looking for torque not speed, at 73 will be taking it slow, already have a KTM 390 Adventure and a DR650 for road DR 650 for long distant dirt roads. Bough have Dunlop TrailMax Mission tires, so not the best for mud and deep sand. That is where the CRF 300L will come in to play. Thanks for the video did like it very much, there is another one I seen on tires and gearing for the CRF 300 L, also a very good video.
Hello, you probably won't notice much of a performance difference with that sprocket. It will most likely cost a bit more than steel and wear faster than a steel sprocket.
My Dear I have a honda nc700x, and the standard sprocket is 16 front and 43 rear but I've already changed the rear to 41, but didn't get me more top end speed and in my 6th gear it loses power and I have to ride all the time in my 5th 'cause the 6th isn't getting me no more speed, so should a change now the front to a 17 and maintain the 41 rear, will I get my desire top end speed?? And another thing with the standard 16front and 43back I used to get 188km/h but now that I changed to 41 rear it is faster but lost top end speed and get to 170km/h, I want your help getting a top end speed like to 199km/h
I have been drag racing for decades and land speed racing for eight years. I have about nine different combinations of gearing to run, sometimes I gave moved down from 525 go 520, moved from O or X to racing, have run steel, aluminum, and combinations of steel and aluminum. Depending on the type of racing, street or touring riding it can make quite a difference in dialing in the gearing. I learn something every time.
It's crazy isn't it? Way under-rated for sure.
hey youtube, this video is a little bit misleading, at least when it comes to street use, no matter how fast you are going, there will not be a noticeable difference in steel vs aluminum, the main difference will be that the aluminum one will degrade faster, if you really want the aluminum performance with the steel longevity i rock supersprox on all my street bikes, also with the gearing thing, the creators of the video have the terms wrong, putting more teeth on the rear and less on the front is gearing up because the gear ratio goes up (pretty obvious don't know how they made that mistake) and putting less on the rear and more on the front is gearing down, for example a 17 45 setup would have a 2.64 gear ratio because 45/17=2.64 whereas a 17 42 combo will have a gear ratio of 2.47, the higher the number = higher gearing = more torque.. lower number = lower gearing = more similar rotation speed between the engine and the rear wheel = higher speed.
Awesome job of explaining chains and Gearing
Thanks 👍Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching.
15hrs on a chain and sprockets 🤣. Put a new one every weekend. You could maybe put some chain wax/lube on there instead.
Good point.
If l buy one teeth more on rear sprocket,do l need and a longer chain from standard ?
Great question MX JOE. Typically no, but the rear sprocket is pretty big. Look at your chain adjusters. If you have more than a 1/4" of "play" or adjustment towards the front of the adjuster you will probably have enough room to add 1 tooth in the rear. Keep in mind that as you add teeth, the axle will be pushed closer to the front of the bike. Scope that adjuster out... It is there that you will find your answer. - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports I'm confused. Wouldn't adding teeth to the rear sprocket push the axle further away from the front of the bike?
@danejurus69 -- No. Adding teeth to the rear sprocket will make the sprocket "occupy" more chain links, leaving fewer chain links for the top and bottom runs of the chain. If there are fewer chain links available for the top and bottom runs of the chain, that means the distance between the countershaft sprocket and the rear sprocket will be SHORTER. This means that when you add teeth to the rear sprocket, the rear axle will have to move forward, closer to the countershaft sprocket.
@@linguinatorschwartz9309 😂😂😂😂 that question was posted from 5years ago, yo " thanx " on answer 😂😂😂😂
@mxjoe1777 -- The internet is largely timeless. THOUSANDS of people might read any particular post or comment over a period of years. My comment wasn't for the original poster as much as it was for the entire community of riders who might be reading this thread.
Reason I went 1 tooth down in the front for my Woods Bike.
Nice. Gearing is a great way to dial on your motorcycle to suit your riding style and needs. Ride safe.
You should try a 16-39. Iv heard its great but im curious
Thanks for the suggestion.
So I bought a R6 and my front sprocket nut was loose and came off which was funny but annoying but anyways as I was diagnosing the problem I actually noticed that my front sprocket wasnt stock it was a 15 tooth (stock is 16 tooth which it also threw off my speedo by 5 mph so if I was going 40 mph I was actually doing 35 mph) which according to this video means that it was geared towards torque so what type of performance would I get from going up 2 teeth from stock in the front and going down 2 teeth in the back
Thank you for your inquiry Drake. Wow! That would be an effective 8 teeth (or so) smaller in the back! Your bike will become very sluggish off the line requiring a great deal of clutch slipping to get rolling. Your top speed will increase and your RPM's at any speed will be lower giving you better fuel economy. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
The only instance in which making the final drive ratio smaller (gearing up) increases top speed is if your bike currently bounces off the limiter in top gear. That's it. The change in speed would only be single digit percentages. If you're not at the limiter currently then speed will not change at all, only the engine rpm at top speed will. It would be great if the people who sell parts for a living understood & explained this concept to their customers.
@@FranzAntonMesmer I don't know what that has to do with the common misconception of gearing up to increase top speed.
Hi my name is Justin and I wanted to up on the torque but keep my top end high out of tight turns , right now on my 07 gsxr 600 I’m running a 15/43 525 . If you had any comments and suggestions I’ll be greatly appreciated thanks again and I really like the videos .
Hello, thanks for watching our video. Play around with this gearing calculator and it may help you decide what setup is best for you: www.gearingcommander.com/
Might want to clarify that at the 4:42 minute mark that if this was on a left side drive, the master link clip was shown to be backwards in relation to actual correct installation of the clip. This video footage might mislead some people who learned from watching and use this as a guide for installation as well..
Good point. Thanks.
Hi, I have a sinnis RSX 125cc and I'm.looking for more top end speed. If I change my sprockets how much speed would I gain.
Thanks David 😁
Hi Dave, sorry but not exactly sure. We are not familiar with that bike. There are sever factors such as what gearing you decide to go with. Search the web, there is a gearing tool that may be able to give you some numbers.
You guys did a good video, but it would be so much more better A lot of people are not Gearheads you're using the slang of Gearhead and we don't know what you're really saying, if you could break it down at least one time so we have an idea we could break it down why were watching the video what you actually say that would be great plus more people will come in to watch a video and I guess that's what you want right! Like why would you want to gear down explain that why would you want to give up, what is the top end etc.
Hi Granger, thanks for the suggestion. We will take your comments into consideration for the next time. In the meantime take a look at this article. It may help clear some things up for you. www.chapmoto.com/blog/2011/04/25/adjusting-your-drive-ratio-changing-your-sprockets-for-maximum-performance/
Klx 250 ... doing trails i constantly need to shift btween 1 and 2 gear as 2nd gear wont give power ... running on stock what changes i should make ... thanks already :)
Hi Humair, sounds like you need more bottom end, you can either step down on the countershaft sprocket or go up in teeth on the rear sprocket. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
My son has a 4 stroke pit bike 125cc. First gear is so short it may as well be irrelevant. Not even long enough for wheelies or going up a hill. Almost never gets used. Other than that the torque and performance in every other gear is great. What would you reccomend that i do to get a little more out of 1st gear before he has to shift ? PLEASE REPLY
you could go 1 tooth larger in the front, if there is room... or you can go up town three teeth or so in the rear. That should help! - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports ty!! Actually just ordered the piranha 140cc to put in it. Cant wait. Itll be a fun swap and the piranha is supposed to be more reliable
@@reneerothwell8972 Nice!
@@chaparralmotorsports yeah, im trying to talk to someone who has done the same swap before so that i have someone to hit up if i have any questions
I noticed that easily hit the rpm limiter with my 15t x 46t combination. I decided to change to 16t x 49t, practically same gear ratios. I noticed a relax rpm ang long gearings in my lower gears, giving me the needed rpm to hit the top speed.
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.
I’ve changed chains and sprockets but never geared up or down. Never quite understood that till now.
Glad you found the video helpful. Thanks for watching.
My son has a 49cc pocket bike. It runs two chains. One goes from the 44 tooth sprocket on the rear wheel to a 20 tooth sprocket half way to the engine say mounted in the middle. The second chain goes from the 20 tooth sprocket mounted in the middle to a 21 tooth sprocket mounted to the engine.
The chain won't stay on the gear from the middle sprocket to the engine. About a quarter ways through the first rotation it starts slipping and won't pull and you can see the chain isn't lining up with the teeth on the gears. Is it because the chain needs more or less links? Or would you guys have any idea as to what I might need to try?
Not exactly sure. It could be something is not in alignment or bent???
Just trying to learn something about gear ratio for highest top end speed. Working on a fun 4 stroke motorized skateboard project and trying to learn all that i can
Sounds great! Thanks for watching.
Thee best job in explaining all of this , and yes it can be confusing, I have numerous bikes and have always just figured factory set ups were the best, I am going to play around with gearing, now that I kinda understand it a little better
Awesome. Thanks for the kind words. Ride safe.
I ride a yz450f and I seem to not need to shift gears nearly as much as others I ride with and I'd like to calm down the bike some. The gearing is stock now. What change would help me? I ride tracks mostly.
Try 1 tooth less in the front & 2 teeth up in the rear , it will give you more slow speed control for climbing & stuff
My bike broke down and i got a sketchy guy to fix it for cheap by changing only the chain and i didn't know anything about them. A day later it broke down again and now that i have watched this video it helped me a lot to understand and i know what to order. Thank you very much
Sorry to hear about the bike issue. Glad this video helped.
Geared down. Im running an Sv1000 with -1tooth front and +3teeth rear. Who needs a 170mph road bike when 2nd gear wheelies happen at 40 👍does chew through fuel and need to recalibrate speedo but its worth it.
The fun factor and "smiles per mile" beat out MPG every time!!!
I would like to know if my bike top speed is 100mph , what would be my top speed if I use one sprocket one tooth smaller on the rear ?
Thank you for your inquiry. It will depend on the bike, the tires... lots of variables. Test it and find out! We are curios to hear of your outcome. What is the Year / Make / Model of the bike in question? -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I have just done this so will find out. I can do 100mph in 1st. I have went 2 teeth less. See wat outcome is wen mot happens lol R1 4c8
Top speed won't change unless the bike is hitting the rev limiter in top gear. Only the engine rpm at top speed will change. The only way to increase top speed is to increase power or decrease drag.
Hello, i have a 110cc underbone bike and has a four speed gearbox, i noticed that when in 1st and 2nd gear the rpm gets high really fast like 1st gear=10-20kph then 2nd gear 20-40kph then when i get to 3rd and 4th gear i notice that my rpm is struggling to rise therefore i could only max my bike upto 70-85kph. I usually only ride on flat road/highways.
What should i do? Decrease or increase my sprocket size?
Thank you in advance, a reply would be very much appreciated
Hello, try messing around on the Gearing Commander site to see if there's a gearing combo that suit your bike/riding style.
have a QRC kart with a Tillotson 225rs going with a 13 tooth front sprocket and a 60 tooth rear, trying to get to that 6300 rpm mark, will this help on top sped running near 38 mph at this time with a 12 front 59 rear hitting 5700 rpm
Hello, try some combinations on this site: www.gearingcommander.com/
Thanks for the video! I'm running 13/50 on my kx450f but I want something better for tight slower trails, should I go with 13/51 or 13/52?
Thanks for watching. Try going with just one step up. 13/51
Really helpful lads, thanks heaps, I have heard people saying all the "take a tooth" "add a tooth" "gear up" "gear down" and have always just politely smiled along... I actually know what is going on now. HAHAHAHAHA
And that my friend is what it is all about. And that is a common problem with this industry... guys talk as if "everyone should know" what they are talking about... instead of backing it up a bit. Happy to be of assistance. It is tricky, even seasoned vets of the sport get a bit confused a bit sometimes ;) Thanks for watching! - Kyle
So to gain more top speed and extend the gears (1,2,3) on my m2r kxf125 pitbike that I’m converting to a uk road legal supermoto I would ideal try and go 1-3 teeth up in the front and leave the rear?
Stock wheels are f14-r12 but Upgrading to f16/r14. I’m not sure on the chain length but I’d say the bike has less than 5hours on it from new
Hi, you can go either way. Either switch up the rear or switch up the front. Switching the rear will be a mild change andn switching up the front will be a more noticeable change. Take a look at this article for further information: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2018/06/22/tech-tip-dirt-bike-chains-sprockets-and-gear-ratios/
Top speed won't change unless the bike is hitting the rev limiter in top gear. Only the engine rpm at top speed will change. The only way to increase top speed is to increase power or decrease drag.
gearing up ! have a small pitbike went from 10 inch wheels to 14 inch wheel bigger forks and now looking to go fast with little 49 cc motor, going to 16 tooth up front and as low as 35 tooth in the rear
but will be using gear ratio charts that you mentioned in your video this will be my first build so please any advice I can get will be appreciated
Oh heck yeah Timothy! That build sounds like a fun project. The chart will help you greatly and the cost effective way to make a change is to make the counter shaft sprocket change... see if you like it... make necessary changes.... Once you get close, you can fine tune with a complete set in the proper sized front and rear sprockets for that specific gear ratio. Have fun! - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Keep in mind that if the gear up is too drastic, the engine might not have enough power to ever max out on top gear and may nog on the bottom end really badly... I have 0 clue about sprocket sizes for small pit bikes, so it may not be as crazy of a change as it sounds to me.
I don't quite understand,
I have an old CB200 and i use it to commute to work. I used to have a front 14, and the rear is 39, it was faster coming off the light but it vibrates crazy when getting the top speed.
Now i changed my rear set to 42 and the cruising rpm has lowered vibration. I want to get a bigger sprocket to get less vibrations. But this video makes me think otherwise
Yes, there is a give and take with all mods away from stock or OEM.
@@chaparralmotorsports so you mean that if i go 51 rear sprocket it will reduce the vibrations amd give me more top speed when hitting the highway?
Hi, I have a aprillia Tuono rsv1000r 2007, and I use it for touring in Europe in the twisty roads, my stock is 16/40, and its very lumpy low speeds, I want to smooth that out but I do not want to lose the pull or top end speed
People have said 15/42 but my head is mashed now lol any help would be appreciated.
Thank you, Drexel
Hi Drexel, changing to a 16/40 setup could suit you well but it's a rather drastic jump. You're on a RSV1000 so the top end shouldn't be to much of an issue. Maybe try smaller change like just a 40 tooth rear and see how it suits you before going all in with the 16/40. Thanks for watching.
@@chaparralmotorsports I like jumping in at the deep end, I am very adaptable, been on so many bikes, so I will just go 16/40, will that still give me amazing pull up the gears?
@@drexelsanti8324 I think he meant to say 1542 because you said your stock was 1640
Does this matter if it’s a 2 stroke vs a 4 stroke? And is it worth gearing down a 2021 ktm 85sx small wheel? She’s a beginner that is hitting double / small triple jumps. She’s 85/90 lbs
This is something that would take a little more information. Please give our customer service department a call and they can discuss and help you decide what the best option would be.
Hello! I have a 2021 ZX14R with a 16T front and a 42T rear with a 530 chain. Do you know any or any place where I cld get a 16T front on a 42R with a 525 chain? The bike is stretched abt 5 inches, bt I wanted to go with a lighter chain all on a 525 set up. Do u know where I can get this set up frm
Hello, please give our customer service department a call for some recommendations (800) 841-2960. Thank you
I'm thinking about doing a -1+2 520 gear and chain conversion on my 2023 ZX4RR. I want to have better take off and move my torque down in the RPM range. I'm not interested in top speed. I just want to overtake on the road without gearing down so much to capture the higher torque and taking off from a stop light a little quicker. Am I thinking correctly?
Probably wouldn't suggest making such a big change with both front and rear. Either do one or the other.
Yeah I think I will do a one tooth smaller first.
very good informations thank you guys
Thanks for watching!
The short guy doesn`t know what he is talking about or he needs to just watch how he says things !!!!!!!!!!!
He has years and years of motorcycling experience, he probably just got caught up and didn't communicate effectively--it happens to the best of us.
I'm having a yamaha MT-07 2019 what is the best u would recommend for me
Depends on what you want out of it?
My dirt bike is a Honda 100cc. Every time I ride for at the most 10 mins the chain rips off. I don’t know why it’s just ripping off and I would wonder why. Any help?
Hello, sounds like your chain is not adjusted properly or your chain/sprockets are worn and need to be replaced.
This was achieved very helpful!
I recently got an 1988 kdx80 about a month ago and I want to get higher speeds from it I mainly drive it on country roads and on dirt trails. I'm not really taking it in the mud or doing endurance.
So this really helped me to figure out what gearing ratio I want.
Thank you guys! 👍
Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed. it.
I have a ninja 300 i want more initial power . My bike tops speed 190 if 10 to 20 speed reduce its fine but want more power in the initial. Which should i do please can u help
Hello, take a look at this article, specifically the chart: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2018/06/22/tech-tip-dirt-bike-chains-sprockets-and-gear-ratios/
What do you recommend for a 1985 Honda 200x ATC? It still has the stock size I would like a little more torque..
Hello, take a look at this, it may help you decide what's best for your situation: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2011/04/25/adjusting-your-drive-ratio-changing-your-sprockets-for-maximum-performance/
Hi, i have a 50cc super moto with 11x48 gearing. Will bw good if i setup 10x50 and will i lose so much of my top speed?
Hello, we would suggest to just try changing just one sprocket first and see how you like it.
I have a 2019 honda cbr150r with 15t front and 45t back. Is it better to run 17t front and 45t back ?
Hello, it really depends on what you want performance-wise and how/where you want the power.
If you go down 1 teeth in the front what exactly is happening? For example lets say that with 16 teeth in front you will hit 50mph @ 5seconds. With 15teeth ( 1down) you will hit 50mph in less seconds? Or am I mistaken? Thanks
Thank you for your inquiry Jescut23. It really depends on the bike, where it makes it's power at... lots of factors. Check out this Blog we put together outlining just exactly what is happening: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2011/04/25/adjusting-your-drive-ratio-changing-your-sprockets-for-maximum-performance/ -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
The engine is spinning faster for any given wheel speed. In effect you have more wheel torque & better acceleration
Off topic but that kx in the background looks like it has a defect in the frame or something
Hello, I think that's just the way it appears in the video. Thanks for watching.
I ride a smaller trail bike its the klx 140L and I want to get change my chain and sprockets so that I can have moderately more low end grunt. Which if I understand correctly that is adding 2 teeth to the rear sprocket?
Hello, yes adding 2 teeth to the rear sprocket should aid in more bottom end.
Why does everyone say if you want to climb large Sandy Hills to go down in the front or go up in the back? I'm trying to get my third gear to have more power it bogs down when I climb huge Sandy Hills so I figured I needed to shorten the third gear hoping going down a tooth in the front and up two tooth in the back I can have more acceleration power in third gear. What do you think of this?
Hello, try fooling around with different combinations on this website, it may provide the info you are looking for: www.gearingcommander.com/
can't find a silent front sprocket for my CBR150R so I'm gonna have to find em individually
Silent?
So if i gear up put bigger front or smaller rear sprocket and get higher top speed, if i gear down I put smaller front or bigger rear sprocket and get more torque? Someone please confirm this.
Yes, that is correct. Gearing up will be exactly what you have just described. The bike typically will take more effort to get going, but will roll at lower RPM's and at higher speeds at the top. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Top speed won't change unless the bike is hitting the rev limiter in top gear. Only the engine rpm at top speed will change. The only way to increase top speed is to increase power or decrease drag.
Best explained video I have seen on this matter. Thanks and now I can decide what's best for my Gixxer 600!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Hey man, so did u change the gearing on ur gixxer? Did u notice anything and what is the build year??
So I have a r3 and I love going on the high way with it. And I wanna goa but faster which sprocket should I pick for the high way?
Hello, play around with different gearing combinations on this website to see what might suit you best: www.gearingcommander.com/
In Canada where would I get sprockets for a CRF 300 L want to go to a 45 rear, and Xring chain.
Hello, give our customer service department a call and they may be able to sell you what you need. (800) 841-2960. Thank you.
Plz I have 150 cc but it my top speed is 90-95
So plz which sprocket size should I use
Hello, take a look at this chart at the end of this article to get an idea as to what setup you may want to run: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2011/04/25/adjusting-your-drive-ratio-changing-your-sprockets-for-maximum-performance/
so have a drz400 and i ride track all the time im wanting a little more torque and a little more speed my gearing now is a 14 front and 47 rear what would change to get that ?
Hello, check out this gearing calculator, it can be useful to help figure out what you may want to use for a setup on your bike: www.gearingcommander.com/
hi guys, what happen if I go down 1 in front and add 2 in rear?t I have z650..thanks
Hello, you will gain more bottom end. Take a look at the chart in this post: www.chapmoto.com/blog/2018/06/22/tech-tip-dirt-bike-chains-sprockets-and-gear-ratios/
I'm still confused lol , I can't add another tooth on the front sprocket without taking the case saver out , so I'm just working with the back . I want higher speed and lower rpm . So I can cruise. Currently at 13t to 48t . And I just clip 80 k at top speed on a 2022 crf250f.
Hey really need your help. I’m working on a project and don’t know what gearing to go with. Front and rear wheel are a size 12” inch and it’s a #415 chain. Also it’s a 100cc two-stroke engine. Thank you so much and awesome video
Hello, it really depends on what you are looking for performance wise. Check out this website and put in you vehicle's information and then play around with different combinations to see what suits your needs. www.gearingcommander.com/
@@chaparralmotorsports this is more of a custom bike so it’s not on your chart. It’s a kids you could say pocket bike front wheel is a size 12. The rear wheel is a size 12 with 415 chain. something that takes off faster. I’m sorry really new to this
So I have a 150cc engine its 45 to the rear and 15 to the front how can I get more top end please give a suggested ratio.
Hello, take a look at this, specifically the graphic/chart www.chapmoto.com/blog/2018/06/22/tech-tip-dirt-bike-chains-sprockets-and-gear-ratios/
How much for chain and sprockets for a 97 Honda 300EX?
Hello, visit our website for pricing: Chapmoto.com
I have a 31th. On axel.
What do recommend for the drive sprocket ?
Hello, it all depends on your motorcycle setup (front and rear sprocket) and what you want, better acceleration or more top speed.
Best explanation I have heard and seen- excellent job guys 👏👏👏
I didn’t know much about this subject until I wanted a bit more torque out of my KTM 390 Adventure.
So someone recommended going from a 15T fron to a 14T front sprocket and leave the rear 45T sprocket as is.
It did make a nice little difference alright though I have a few more rpm’s now at lower speeds but the combo worked well for slow traffic and trail rides.
So I geared down if I got this right 🤔😬..yes 🥴
In anyway it’s a nicer experience now and I am very happy 😃😂😂😂
Stay safe and thank you for sharing your knowledge ✊
Cheers Jim
Awesome, glad you found a setup that works for you.
Hello, hope u r doing well
I found ur msg helpful since I had 2023 Duke 390 street bike a month ago, I'm thinking to do the same as u, front sprocket 15T to 14T
So to be clearly understand, this will give me longer Rpm n more top speed without losing power, isn't it?
Honda CR 125 1995
Manual says 13/51 but I want more bottom end and the manual says you can go 13/53 which is a ratio of 4.08
Mine has 12/49 on it which is also a ratio of 4.08
So thats the same isnt it, so its already at the maximum for more bottom end?
Great video
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Ok so if I put a 14 tooth on the front instead of a 15 tooth would you have to change the link count on the chain?
Chain the chain slack and your adjustment capacity at the rear axle and see if it's to spec or if you would need an extra link.
Across it fellas.. very good.
I have a 1963 Honda C100 supercub that I rebuilt... It has the original 49cc 4-stroke air cooled engine with a three gear transmission. It has 14 tooth sprocket with a 40 tooth drive sprocket. At top speed I hit about 43 mph. I trying to get to at 50 mph. Should I go with a 15 tooth front sprocket or a 37 tooth drive sprocket??
Hello, fool around with this calculator, it may help you figure our what you desire: www.gearingcommander.com/
Top speed won't change unless the bike is hitting the rev limiter in top gear. Only the engine rpm at top speed will change. The only way to increase top speed is to increase power or decrease drag.
Hello my name is Billy what I do is Racing Drag mowers what I run is pulleys well im running a 5 in pulley in the front and a 2 in the back ..runs great and I win first place .. ok but the problem is I slip on take offs from a stop or starts during a drag race . If I go up to a 6 in the front and 3 in the rear will that ratio be close to what I have ? But when I do win it's by a half a hood .. (not much) The setup I have is great but like I said I deal with slip in the rear when taking off .. I do have another mower with a 6 to 3 set up and it dose great and wins but the 5 to 2 ratio setup has a smaller engine in a different class. Winning by a hair lol. Thanks fo any info to help thank you... Billy. P.s they both have same trans and rear tire size but different engines
your engine powerband will tell you what ratio combo is best..not theories like put a rear 2th up for more bottom torque..if she spins then you aint got nothing more..you got less pull for less time..if she power wheelie offroad then your sprocket ratio is about right..the pull on your hands say the truth..spinning all gears is not the way...test different gear ratio to find the proper one..dont listen what others say..test and find out
Trial and error... That is the best. Same bike, same terrain, different riders will sometimes require different gearing to make their bike run they way they want it to feel. Thanks for your feedback. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports some riders still cant set up their bike based on powerband..like a crf450 that has power on bottom and mid power if you shorten the ratio..she will be slower because you will never ever hit the sweet spot..its gone before wot...riders have to understand why its happening....while a ktm 450 that has more top she will pull better with shorter ratio...the shocking is that i didnt wait so much difference with my kx 450 going from 13-51 to a 14-51...shocking is that with 14-51 the bike had more acce...more everywhere...the take off is insane...i check it for 2 hours...my bike with that powerband the 13-51 was holding her back a lot....so check test and ride..
Gearing is so important!
@@chaparralmotorsports yes...the numbers may show that shorter gearing gives more torque and acce but thats half story..in real life tho you go slower tractability counts on a tuned bike or even stock
What if I go down teeth number in the front and higher number in the rear?
Hello, you'll get more bottom end.
I have a 2004 raptor 660 but bore out to 727 with stage two hot cams with stock sprockets . Do I want to go small sprockets in the rear so I can go faster for top speed? Is top speed better then torque?
Hello, the sprocket setup all depends on what you are looking for/personal preference/riding style. Do you want more top speed or more torque? Some people want to go as fast as they can and some people want more power down low.
@@chaparralmotorsports ok thank you 🙏🏾 the trails that I ride with my stepson are more straight aways so maybe more speed
I purchased a 2002 cr250r and use it for trail more than anything else. I have a tall first gear. If I understand I correctly I can take 1 tooth off the first sprocket and shorten the first gear. Is that correct? Thanks for your help.
awesome i was wondering if you could do a vid on why you should use a clutch i have friends that just use it on start and stop told them its not good
Thanks for your suggestion Duke. This is one of those "depends on who you talk to" types of topics. Kinda like Oil and Tires ;)- We will put something together. Thanks for watching! - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Thanks
I’ve tried to put 14 tooth sprocket on the front and the chain guard won’t fit. With a five pitch sprocket you’re adding five eights to the circumference and it won’t fit.
Im still pretty confused. I have a 22 grom and i want to run a 14t up front cause i need a little more pep through town but i dont want my gears shorter 1st and second are short enough already. So i add a tooth in the rear?
I have a 150 dirty bike but can find and for it to go pass 100
Hi, not sure exactly what you are saying, but I think you want your dirt bike to go over 100mph? Probably not going to happen--even with a gearing change. Thanks for watching.
Really the best video I've watched in a while and that's saying alot. You guy's are good at this very informative and professional, helpful knowledge and that's honestly a good looking kit.
Wow, thanks! We are really thrilled you enjoyed the video. Thank you for watching.
I'm looking at buying an Enduro bike. So I'm trying to learn everything thing I can. Engine repair suspension. Want to learn how to up the weight limit for deep wood travels. But I also have to keep it streetable so I can teach my son how to ride. 😊
You can do it!
What chain do you guys think gives the best longevity for a zx14? For say a heavy commuting grandpa with an SLIGHTLY...SOMETIMES...heavy wrist. With steel sprockets. And average preventive maintenance practices.
Thank you for your inquiry K W, Jr. , I have owned a ZX12R and am very hard on my gear. I ran RK on that bike and was very happy. RK had a 20K mile warranty! Pretty amazing. Check out this RK vid we did earlier this year th-cam.com/video/Dx8NL-Y5HLM/w-d-xo.html - Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
For best longevity? A 530 D.I.D chain, just like it came from the KHI factory.
For reference, my 2009 FZ-1 (150HP) currently has 34,000 miles on its factory 530 D.I.D chain & Sunstar sprockets. I regularly measure chain deflection & loaded link length (stretch) & it's nowhere near the spec'd limit yet.
1 down 2 up for a 23 mt03 be to drastic
Thanks for the insight.
I would never put an aluminum sprocket on my bike
Ok.
My wheel size is 26" gear ratio of 2.55 running 3800 rpms can you tell me how to figure out my top speed
2016 honda Africa twin
I have done a bunch of research on the AT gearing lately. We have tired three different front sprockets and two different rear sprockets. Stock gearing is really good for "all around use." Honda has it pretty dialed. A commuter customer, we did 1 up in the front and 2 down in the rear as he wanted to significantly drop his RPM's at 80 mph. It worked... but I would not want to ride that thing off road! Another customer dropped a tooth in the front and increased the rear by 3 which made 1st gear unnecessary on the street. So many combos... -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
So I went from a 14t to a 17t with a 34t rear sprocket I want to go down to 32t will this hurt my top speed or help ?
Hello, check out the Gear Commander site and play with the different gearing combinations to see how they will effect the performance of your bike: www.gearingcommander.com/
15 hrs on my chains and sprockets.....ROTFLOL
What do you get?
@@chaparralmotorsports 15 months :-)
So how much does 525 sprockets at 15t front and 45t rear cost to be mounted on a 1997 P2 model Zx7r Kawasaki Ninja motorcycle for track day purposes ? I been looking for matching vortex or renthal type. And I stumbled onto this one by Supersrox. I found renthal 520 and 525 type pitch sprockets. One round $88 i think n other one was 34 dollars n change ....
Hello, if you are interested in having our service department installed sprockets for you, please give them a call at (909) 889-2761 Tuesday - Saturday: 10:00am to 6:00pm