Great presentation mike i'm working on a big project ,can you check the brand name of the climate control or t.e.d . And the centrifugal blower ? i need a company that can make them smaller asap
@@adrenalineaddictsz6092 I'm pretty sure these parts are Ford branded. You can see the climate control label here in the video, so maybe you can do a search and find what you're looking for: th-cam.com/video/3iqfPZh_KUA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ONWGIp01GU2qQa2n&t=199
I’m glad they enjoyed it and want to explore! Our house rules are that you’re welcome to take it apart, as long as you can put it back together. Here’s another video that they may enjoy watching. I found it informative and I like the scientific experiments this guy does. th-cam.com/video/4X123rMAJuM/w-d-xo.html
Canadian Cruisin - I saw all kinds of electronics under that seat, which I didn’t know what it was. Maybe there’s some good content for a future video!
My 2016 cooled seats never worked well and I read on forums about a tsb to replace the fan with an improved version. I took it to the ford dealer and it was changed under warranty. I don't think it made a difference but at least I have the latest part.
Hi Tom - When I was researching for this, one of the first resources I found was a Matt Maran video from several years ago where he talked about the problem the pre-2018 models had with the seat climate control units. I'm glad they got it figured out and I'm glad you have the latest part. Mine DO work, but it is not like the blast of polar air you get out of the AC vents. It definitely makes a difference though! I'm going to want these in my next vehicle...
Great question! I’ve never had one fail, but I found a Ford service bulletin that says the fans are far more likely to fail than the TED itself, in a climate controlled car seat application. Since the TEDs are solid state I’d expect them to last a long time.
Very interesting and well explained. Makes me also wonder what you do for a living to be so educated. :) By the way, do you have any numbers of your miles per gallon after you installed your cold air intake?
Mokum Holland - My career is in marketing and communications. I don't consider myself particularly educated in science, but I'm a good researcher and I do a lot of writing - so once I edit everything I guess I look more educated than I think I am! :)
I've gotten about 16 mpg average since I've owned the car. I'm at about 13 mpg since installing the cold air intake - but to be fair I haven't been doing any highway driving. So I don;t think it makes a difference. Maybe the mileage is lower lately because the K&N intake makes it more fun to mash the accelerator?
Should point out that a lot of automakers that advertise ventilated seats don't have a TED and just blow air. I had a '06 Lincoln Zephyr with cooled seats and they got way too cold some times, so I know Ford uses a TED for cooling. Then I had a '16 Lexus ES300h with ventilated seats and they absolutely sucked. So I'm guessing Toyota doesn't use a TED and they just blow air.
@matraz10 - Great point! My new Honda Pilot has, what it calls, "Heated/Ventilated Seats"... I.e. NO COOLING! Ventilation is nice, but not the same as refrigeration when your butt is too warm! 😁
Very informative video! I was always under the assumption you had to have the AC on to get the cooling feature of the seats to work. I see now that it doesn't matter....its all electrical.
John Olson - yes! I thought they were connected, too. But playing around with them made me start doubting, so I launched this investigation. Truly eye opening for us both.
Great video......I have always been annoyed at how loud the blower motor on the seats is. I don't like to run on high if at all possible. My wife's Kia is almost silent and seems to work better than my Mustang.
Randi Ruge - I agree, it's loud. I've recorded a few videos and forgot to turn it off, and you can clearly hear it. If I'm not recording then I neutralize the noise by turning up the stereo. :) Interesting that the Kia is quieter and better. When I was a wee lad, we used to poke fun at the Ford name by saying it stood for "Freeze or Roast Daily" - implying that the HVAC lacked subtlety. I wonder if anyone else remembers that nickname?
dude my 2007 Mercedes has bottom and top ac and heat in the seats and also massaging SO DONT THINK YOUR FORD IS DOING GOOD IN 2020 hahahaha “ and also i have the same futures in my back seats
@@coyotecarguy2076 Personally, no - other than about 4 hours without power. A mile from me there was a presumed tornado that ripped the roof and wall off a day care and flipped cars in the hospital parking lot. There were no serious injuries fortunately. Quite unexpected!
Thanks for such an insightful video, next I want to understand how the extraction or heat removed in the vehicle. At 3:30 min we can see a transparent pipe connected to another blower i suppose. Can you please explain that to me.
Lol, I had to look at the video to see the tube you were talking about. I don’t know! I will have to go out and check for myself. I will follow up and let you know… :-)
That was a very interesting topic. I never would have guessed how climate controlled seats work. None of my cars have them. I was excited enough just to get leather seats for the first time in my latest acquisition.... lol. BTW, in regards to the pronounciation of the inventor's last name, you got it right. Most non-french speaking people mispronounce it.
Marc Perras - yay! I’m always nervous about pronouncing names right. I like leather in a convertible, although cloth is probably coolest. Didn’t know the Honda’s came with leather. How’s it treating you?
@@MikeFyxdt I haven't driven the S2000 that much since buying it as it badly needs new brakes (installing oem rotors and pads tomorrow). I would have thought the leather seats to be stickier than they are on hot days but so far so good. In regards to French names, most of the time they get "Anglified" or Americanized into something unrecognizable in French. For instance, the S at the end of my family name is silent, I often find myself explaining it when asked to say or spell my name in English. Interesting tidbit about Peltier: he is buried at Père Lachaise cemetery, the most visited cemetery in Paris. I doubt, however, it's because he's buried there. Most North American tourists visit to see Jim Morrison's and/or Oscar Wilde's burial site. Well worth the detour if you ever go to Paris.
Marc Perras - LoL, yes we Americans tend to pronounce names phonetically, in whatever State dialect we speak. New brakes sound like a good idea before tooling around in the new sports car! Wait, is Jim Morrison really dead? 🧐
If your heated seats use heating elements without a blower (like a heating pad) then no. If your seats are ventilated with a fan that blows the warm air, then ‘maybe’ but I’d want to find a vendor that sells conversion kits. Do a Google search for your car make and “ventilated car seat conversion kit” and see what comes up.
@@MikeFyxdt Thanks for the response. It is not ventilated, just heated, so I am guessing based on your response, I'd have to start from scratch if I am going to make it cooling. :(
Not sure I follow… The ventilation fan blows in the same direction, and the elements either cool that air or warm it. So it is more than ventilation! :-)
Great video. These devices have always intrigued me. I have a simple device that uses the heat difference to turn a fan on our wood stove at our remote cabin. I have an abundance of 12VDC power there and have been thinking of building some kind of cooler to put in the propane fridge. . I have some nice deep finned aluminum heat sinks off surplus communications equipment that I salvaged. Damn it another project.
Chris, there’s always another project waiting to be done! Using a Peltier device in refrigeration containers is fairly common with these little automobile beverage chillers. I don’t know what would be required to do something on a larger scale. The challenge is usually that these devices create lots of heat on the other side, so the heat sinks need to be away from whatever you are trying to keep cold. Actually, it sounds like a fun project to engineer. Please check back and let us know if you try this and what you did!
Not sure why you say it's a bad idea to run the air conditioning on when the roof is retracted. On a hot day in my Ford I run the air conditioning constant that doesn't hurt anything. It makes no difference if all the windows are open, or if the sunroof was retracted. I think it's just a mental block that people feel it's a waste of energy. And perhaps it is a waste but it's certainly not harmful to the vehicle, and it's only as harmful to your pocket as running it constantly with the windows up and the roof top on which occurs all the time
@Mark Henry - yeah, you are probably right, it's part economy and part not wanting to run the compressor for as many hours non-stop so the parts last longer!
There's a few vendors that make them - do a Google search on 'aftermarket ted seat hvac'. Here's a video by @LeatherSeats.com that shows them being installed: th-cam.com/video/66JSqDfw46w/w-d-xo.html
Pottermade - thanks for stopping by! I’m editing with Premiere and do all my art or animation in Photoshop or After Effects. I’m using my new ZV-1 as my B camera for the first time, having conquered its manual settings with your help!
I always wondered where the heat and air conditioning came from for the seats. I asked myself all the same questions that you asked yourself and I didn’t have an answer. I typed the question as a search on TH-cam and your video came up and I thought it was great. I would never have a guessed that the heating and cooled seats worked on this very interesting scientific principle that I never heard of before. Your delivery and camerawork for this segment are great. You are very clear and precise in getting your message across. Thank you.
@Halunlimited - thanks so much for sharing your comment! I’m really glad that this video hits the mark, and others had the same curiosity as me. I appreciate you watching and joining the conversation!
Mike - great video. And all the time I thought there were little magical fairies under my car seats!! I do find however that the cooling on my 2019 Mustang seats seem to do a much better job cooling the bottom of the seat than the back of the seat. First time I used the cooling function I felt like I wet my pants! Still a little strange sensation. Thanks for the science lesson! Video quality is excellent!!
Wild Pony - OK, Your response has me grinning. I didn’t find fairies but I found my lost GoPro lens cap, which I think is in one of the shots. The ‘cool sensation’ YES! I recorded a segment in the video that I decided to cut out, where I described the sensation of cooled seats like sitting in a wet chair, and you don’t notice until it soaks your pants. Quite the panic until you get used to it!
Great video Mike! I have the same setup on my '17 ecoboost convertible. I would agree with what some posters have already stated here - when it comes to cooling the bottom of the seat seems to work good while the backrest portion doesn't really do anything. Never really tried the heated seats since we store the car in the winter.
Don G - I wonder if they beefed up the backrest cooler in the 2018+ because I can feel mine. But (no pun intended) the cooling is much more prominent in the seat bottom. Maybe it is a more temperature-sensitive region? The IR camera shows cooling in the seat back, but it definitely looked several degrees chillier on bottom cushion.
It is my understanding that the seat back is not cooled and may not be ventilated. I got that from this video. th-cam.com/video/ABWMNsB0_SQ/w-d-xo.html
I really enjoyed working on this video and learning about the Peltier effect. I honestly had no idea! Did you?
Great presentation mike i'm working on a big project ,can you check the brand name of the climate control or t.e.d .
And the centrifugal blower ? i need a company that can make them smaller asap
@@adrenalineaddictsz6092 I'm pretty sure these parts are Ford branded. You can see the climate control label here in the video, so maybe you can do a search and find what you're looking for: th-cam.com/video/3iqfPZh_KUA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ONWGIp01GU2qQa2n&t=199
You really deserve more subscribers. I loved the video and how easily you explained a physics concept. Wish you all the best.
Thank you for your kind words! This video was very fun to make, and I am glad people are finding it!
Noah and Eli loves the Peltier effect and now wants to play with the car seats. :).
I’m glad they enjoyed it and want to explore! Our house rules are that you’re welcome to take it apart, as long as you can put it back together.
Here’s another video that they may enjoy watching. I found it informative and I like the scientific experiments this guy does. th-cam.com/video/4X123rMAJuM/w-d-xo.html
I love the cooled and heated seats. Im glad I have them in my car as well. Never knew about the little motor under there
Canadian Cruisin - I saw all kinds of electronics under that seat, which I didn’t know what it was. Maybe there’s some good content for a future video!
@@MikeFyxdt maybe we have a secret ejector button somewhere 🤔 😆
Thanks for sharing
Hi Malvin, I appreciate you watching!
Excellent information 👍 you deserve more subs.
Thank you very much!
My 2016 cooled seats never worked well and I read on forums about a tsb to replace the fan with an improved version. I took it to the ford dealer and it was changed under warranty. I don't think it made a difference but at least I have the latest part.
Hi Tom - When I was researching for this, one of the first resources I found was a Matt Maran video from several years ago where he talked about the problem the pre-2018 models had with the seat climate control units. I'm glad they got it figured out and I'm glad you have the latest part. Mine DO work, but it is not like the blast of polar air you get out of the AC vents. It definitely makes a difference though! I'm going to want these in my next vehicle...
very cool
Thanks Emilio!
Love it!
So do ventilated seats blow out cool air? Or do they suck in/carry away your body heat?
Hi Daniel, they do blow cold air. Hot air is blown when the current is reversed.
sir you are amazing
Thank you Ashwin! You are amazing for watching and commenting… :-)
Interesting video. Good job
@Beazer The Biker - Thank you! I appreciate you watching!
Great VIDEO, how long will a TED last?
Great question! I’ve never had one fail, but I found a Ford service bulletin that says the fans are far more likely to fail than the TED itself, in a climate controlled car seat application. Since the TEDs are solid state I’d expect them to last a long time.
@@MikeFyxdt Thanks! I was not sure with all the transfer from heat to cold or other, if the device would break down.
What material do they use for the semiconductors?
I don't know… When I hear the word semiconductor I think silicon. 🤷♂️
Very interesting and well explained. Makes me also wonder what you do for a living to be so educated. :)
By the way, do you have any numbers of your miles per gallon after you installed your cold air intake?
Mokum Holland - My career is in marketing and communications. I don't consider myself particularly educated in science, but I'm a good researcher and I do a lot of writing - so once I edit everything I guess I look more educated than I think I am! :)
I've gotten about 16 mpg average since I've owned the car. I'm at about 13 mpg since installing the cold air intake - but to be fair I haven't been doing any highway driving. So I don;t think it makes a difference. Maybe the mileage is lower lately because the K&N intake makes it more fun to mash the accelerator?
Well, your communication skills are top notch! 😊
Should point out that a lot of automakers that advertise ventilated seats don't have a TED and just blow air. I had a '06 Lincoln Zephyr with cooled seats and they got way too cold some times, so I know Ford uses a TED for cooling. Then I had a '16 Lexus ES300h with ventilated seats and they absolutely sucked. So I'm guessing Toyota doesn't use a TED and they just blow air.
@matraz10 - Great point! My new Honda Pilot has, what it calls, "Heated/Ventilated Seats"... I.e. NO COOLING! Ventilation is nice, but not the same as refrigeration when your butt is too warm! 😁
Very informative video! I was always under the assumption you had to have the AC on to get the cooling feature of the seats to work. I see now that it doesn't matter....its all electrical.
John Olson - yes! I thought they were connected, too. But playing around with them made me start doubting, so I launched this investigation. Truly eye opening for us both.
Great video......I have always been annoyed at how loud the blower motor on the seats is. I don't like to run on high if at all possible. My wife's Kia is almost silent and seems to work better than my Mustang.
Randi Ruge - I agree, it's loud. I've recorded a few videos and forgot to turn it off, and you can clearly hear it. If I'm not recording then I neutralize the noise by turning up the stereo. :) Interesting that the Kia is quieter and better. When I was a wee lad, we used to poke fun at the Ford name by saying it stood for "Freeze or Roast Daily" - implying that the HVAC lacked subtlety. I wonder if anyone else remembers that nickname?
What about the condensed water ?
Great question! I don't know… Maybe it gets absorbed by the seat of your pants? 😂
@@MikeFyxdt hahaha modern problems require modern solutions.
dude my 2007 Mercedes has bottom and top ac and heat in the seats and also massaging SO DONT THINK YOUR FORD IS DOING GOOD IN 2020 hahahaha “ and also i have the same futures in my back seats
@givargiz youkhata - hahaha indeed! My 2007 Infiniti has tech that puts this 2019 Mustang to shame. 😮 But don’t tell anyone, OK?
2009 f150s had it as well, my 2010 f150 has cooling seats
First!!! Yessss!
Coyote carguy - Hey Al! Thanks for sending that storm our way, btw. Got to use my new generator!
@@MikeFyxdt .. No Damage i hope... It looks to me that storm got bigger by the time it got up by you ..
@@coyotecarguy2076 Personally, no - other than about 4 hours without power. A mile from me there was a presumed tornado that ripped the roof and wall off a day care and flipped cars in the hospital parking lot. There were no serious injuries fortunately. Quite unexpected!
Thanks for such an insightful video, next I want to understand how the extraction or heat removed in the vehicle. At 3:30 min we can see a transparent pipe connected to another blower i suppose. Can you please explain that to me.
Lol, I had to look at the video to see the tube you were talking about. I don’t know! I will have to go out and check for myself. I will follow up and let you know… :-)
thank you for this great video!
Thank YOU for watching!
That was a very interesting topic. I never would have guessed how climate controlled seats work. None of my cars have them. I was excited enough just to get leather seats for the first time in my latest acquisition.... lol. BTW, in regards to the pronounciation of the inventor's last name, you got it right. Most non-french speaking people mispronounce it.
Marc Perras - yay! I’m always nervous about pronouncing names right. I like leather in a convertible, although cloth is probably coolest. Didn’t know the Honda’s came with leather. How’s it treating you?
@@MikeFyxdt I haven't driven the S2000 that much since buying it as it badly needs new brakes (installing oem rotors and pads tomorrow). I would have thought the leather seats to be stickier than they are on hot days but so far so good.
In regards to French names, most of the time they get "Anglified" or Americanized into something unrecognizable in French. For instance, the S at the end of my family name is silent, I often find myself explaining it when asked to say or spell my name in English.
Interesting tidbit about Peltier: he is buried at Père Lachaise cemetery, the most visited cemetery in Paris. I doubt, however, it's because he's buried there. Most North American tourists visit to see Jim Morrison's and/or Oscar Wilde's burial site. Well worth the detour if you ever go to Paris.
Marc Perras - LoL, yes we Americans tend to pronounce names phonetically, in whatever State dialect we speak. New brakes sound like a good idea before tooling around in the new sports car! Wait, is Jim Morrison really dead? 🧐
Does this mean you could convert a car seat that is heated only, into one that also cools? My seats are only heated.
If your heated seats use heating elements without a blower (like a heating pad) then no. If your seats are ventilated with a fan that blows the warm air, then ‘maybe’ but I’d want to find a vendor that sells conversion kits. Do a Google search for your car make and “ventilated car seat conversion kit” and see what comes up.
@@MikeFyxdt Thanks for the response. It is not ventilated, just heated, so I am guessing based on your response, I'd have to start from scratch if I am going to make it cooling. :(
This is meaning blowing type is actually cooling
But the Suction type is only ventilation
Not sure I follow… The ventilation fan blows in the same direction, and the elements either cool that air or warm it. So it is more than ventilation! :-)
@@MikeFyxdt the second type is Suction
@@l... gotcha!
Very well explained.
Thank you! I appreciate you watching. 😁
Really interesting! Great video
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Very good video 👏👏👏👏
Great video. These devices have always intrigued me. I have a simple device that uses the heat difference to turn a fan on our wood stove at our remote cabin. I have an abundance of 12VDC power there and have been thinking of building some kind of cooler to put in the propane fridge. . I have some nice deep finned aluminum heat sinks off surplus communications equipment that I salvaged. Damn it another project.
Chris, there’s always another project waiting to be done! Using a Peltier device in refrigeration containers is fairly common with these little automobile beverage chillers. I don’t know what would be required to do something on a larger scale. The challenge is usually that these devices create lots of heat on the other side, so the heat sinks need to be away from whatever you are trying to keep cold. Actually, it sounds like a fun project to engineer. Please check back and let us know if you try this and what you did!
Really enjoyed the video and how you explained everything! Thank you and I am now a subscriber 😊😊
Thanks Kevin! I appreciate you watching and subbing!
Not sure why you say it's a bad idea to run the air conditioning on when the roof is retracted. On a hot day in my Ford I run the air conditioning constant that doesn't hurt anything. It makes no difference if all the windows are open, or if the sunroof was retracted. I think it's just a mental block that people feel it's a waste of energy. And perhaps it is a waste but it's certainly not harmful to the vehicle, and it's only as harmful to your pocket as running it constantly with the windows up and the roof top on which occurs all the time
@Mark Henry - yeah, you are probably right, it's part economy and part not wanting to run the compressor for as many hours non-stop so the parts last longer!
what are the aftermarket conversion kits that you mentioned at the end??
There's a few vendors that make them - do a Google search on 'aftermarket ted seat hvac'.
Here's a video by @LeatherSeats.com that shows them being installed: th-cam.com/video/66JSqDfw46w/w-d-xo.html
He would pick the ride with the best cooled seats on the market lol
meaning they actually work! real well, almost too well lol
LOL, these Mustang seats can definitely chill your nithers! 😂🥶
This has been a thing since pre civil war and it’s only a premium option??
It's not just the cost of the sensor, but of the fans and electronics to run it that drive up the price. Worth every penny!
Such a surprising thing to learn! Thanks!
Thanks for watching and checking in Megan! Yes, I was surprised to learn this as well. :-)
Hi Mike, great work on this video. What are you editing on? Also you made this video very interesting by showing the thermal imaging. Wow Great work.
Pottermade - thanks for stopping by! I’m editing with Premiere and do all my art or animation in Photoshop or After Effects. I’m using my new ZV-1 as my B camera for the first time, having conquered its manual settings with your help!
Thank you very much 👏👍
You’re welcome! I appreciate you watching.
I always wondered where the heat and air conditioning came from for the seats. I asked myself all the same questions that you asked yourself and I didn’t have an answer. I typed the question as a search on TH-cam and your video came up and I thought it was great. I would never have a guessed that the heating and cooled seats worked on this very interesting scientific principle that I never heard of before. Your delivery and camerawork for this segment are great. You are very clear and precise in getting your message across. Thank you.
@Halunlimited - thanks so much for sharing your comment! I’m really glad that this video hits the mark, and others had the same curiosity as me. I appreciate you watching and joining the conversation!
Thank you
Saleh, you’re welcome! I appreciate you watching.
Excellent, thanks
You're welcome! I appreciate you watching! :)
Mike - great video. And all the time I thought there were little magical fairies under my car seats!! I do find however that the cooling on my 2019 Mustang seats seem to do a much better job cooling the bottom of the seat than the back of the seat. First time I used the cooling function I felt like I wet my pants! Still a little strange sensation. Thanks for the science lesson! Video quality is excellent!!
Wild Pony - OK, Your response has me grinning. I didn’t find fairies but I found my lost GoPro lens cap, which I think is in one of the shots. The ‘cool sensation’ YES! I recorded a segment in the video that I decided to cut out, where I described the sensation of cooled seats like sitting in a wet chair, and you don’t notice until it soaks your pants. Quite the panic until you get used to it!
Fascinating and great job on this video Mike.
Thanks Brian! It was fun learning about this to make the video - and also fun shooting & editing. Appreciate you watching!
Well explained sir.
Well thank you! I appreciate you watching!
Thank you for answering the "Why & How" these work. If I'll fix my seat ventilation circuits, then it's because of a part of this video!
Well good luck! I hope you can fix it! Feel free to stop back and comment how it goes. :)
One of the best presentation I have ever seen
Thank you @Rahat Ahmed! I learned a lot making this video and I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Great video Mike! I have the same setup on my '17 ecoboost convertible. I would agree with what some posters have already stated here - when it comes to cooling the bottom of the seat seems to work good while the backrest portion doesn't really do anything. Never really tried the heated seats since we store the car in the winter.
Don G - I wonder if they beefed up the backrest cooler in the 2018+ because I can feel mine. But (no pun intended) the cooling is much more prominent in the seat bottom. Maybe it is a more temperature-sensitive region? The IR camera shows cooling in the seat back, but it definitely looked several degrees chillier on bottom cushion.
It is my understanding that the seat back is not cooled and may not be ventilated. I got that from this video. th-cam.com/video/ABWMNsB0_SQ/w-d-xo.html
and here too: th-cam.com/video/8vySqAM5Y68/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Mike, found that very interesting 😁🇬🇧
DontSkip Pudding - glad you enjoyed it! Hey, I like your user name - it reminds me of Pink Floyd. Know what song? :)
@@MikeFyxdt Don't mind a bit of PF but not a huge fan. Hope you're having a great summer.