You basterd you guys build from inside out and want use to figure out how to get in something and am hear to say the square block will fit in the round hole
As an automotive engineer you should know that this isn't an engineering issue. Manufacturers put the same engine in various vehicles. An engineer could easily relocate the drain plug for every vehicle application but the higher ups want to save money on tooling costs.
Manufacturers put the same engine in various vehicles. In this case they didn't have an engineer relocate the oil drain plug for this vehicle application. This has nothing to do with faulty engineering so you'll have to ask a higher up at GM that makes the decisions for R&D and tooling costs to experience the flaws.
You have to understand that engineer are ask to optimize the engineering for reduce assembly cost and time at the detriment of maintainability. If manufacturer told and reserved engineering time for easier maintenance, the result would probably be different.
We're not idiots we have some serious business constraints. Business leads the company not engineers unfortunetly. When we do package studies no doubt this popped up. But board level didnt take notice as it either cost to much to change the pacakging, time consuming, and to costly + neigbouring engineers will fight their corner to not agree (if not critical) so they do minimal changes and save extra work and costs. So the engineer who designed that error on packaging prob know and is unhappy but has no power to make the changes they wanted. Its bigger than 'oh just draw something up and make it' 🤦♂️ world is that straight forward when it comes to business and making profits. Engineering is secondary infortunetly. I've been in the industry for 15years and worked with 5major OEMs. So have something to go by.
This fits very well in line with game developers, such $hit higher ups and ceos and having the game developers not have enough time to optimize or finish a game smh.
Mate i am currently an engineering student (1st year/ 5), and i want to pursue a career in the automotive industry, and if possible, in motorsports, do you have any advice to give me please ?
It seem like the mechanics is the real idiot he is so stupid he does not even realize that isf something is that simple and they can’t correct it politics must be involved
Most of the time, there isn't a simple fix for bad design....I was a mechanic for 25 years, and one day just decided I didn't want to fight the designers anymore.
It would probably cost GM about $30,000 to move that drain plug on just that model. At aluminum oil pan would have to be recast for each and every one of those models produced. Oil filter comes in a pasteboard box that can easily be fashioned into a deflector so that you don't spill the oil everywhere use your head.
Like the old OBS chevies that made every lube tecnician in the world thats worked on one have the exact same burn scar on their wrist thanks to the oil filter thats an inch away from a cross pipe right out of a manifold, Thanks Chevy.
I think engineer should be required to spend a couple years in the shop before they can know where to put a Bolt. Half of these dudes a pocket protector wearing nerds that I’ve never gotten dirt under their fingernails so they have no idea what work is unless it comes in on a computer.
The engineering industry will never let that happen because of these reasons, it's not a lot of engineers in the market place, it's time consuming, it will delay process within projects, and it will be expensive to let that happen. It's basically the supply demand game. It is more people who are less educated, then educated so corpations know they can use them compared to an engineer who spent 4-6 in college to learn their profession. So, that gives power to the engineer. So, to save time and money they put all of the weight on the technicians, and labor guys to do the work...
Thats when you get the oil caddy right under the drain plug and loosen the drain plug just enough to have a slow drain straight down itll turn a 15 mins oil change into a 30 min oild change tho lol
That's not the worst drain bolt location I've seen for a gm car, there was a recent model chevy equinox with the diesel engine option and there was a frame crossmember directly in front of the drain plug and the only way to remove it was to remove the crossmember, a subframe part, of course just 2 bolts but still.
My grandfather tells me the horry stories of aircraft designs. He was a aircraft mechanic for the army for 20 something years and private contracted for another 20 something.
That's what I do, I find me a instrument of deflection, I position such apparatus in such a fashion that when I remove drain plug from the chat (temporarily), as the deluge of oil comes with utmost force from black hole my well thought positioning of deflection apparatus will guide potential disaster into oil catch device. Works quite well and Impalas are not only vehicles designed like this. Very stupid yes but easily overcome.
He is right tho I can show u mort thing we're they messed up take my trailblazer for example good vehicle I like it but I can show u about 10things they should of done differently
@@jjlawnservice5229 Do you know anything about design? Just because a bolt is hidden or a something in the way doesn’t make it a problem. Engineers have to make things work. In order to make something better, the designer will change something else. I once had a F-150 work van that I swear the entire thing was built around the windshield wiper motor. To change it was a nightmare. However, after looking at it I understand why. Look a little closer at your Blazer bro, there is a reason for everything.
@@jbparker5466 how about on my 4.2 trail blazer the ball joint knuckles stick out which impeads with bigger tires now look at the S10 blazer look at the Silverado compleatly different set up it works it does not interest with anything how about on the 4.2 I have to take off the ultornator to remove and replace the thermostat in it when every car I have ever repaired it was somewhere on the front if the motor in the instance of the video to change the oil in that now u r going to dump oil on the chassy and possibly the motor when u could of moved it over a little bit like every car under the sun how about the cobalt with a cheesy oil filter on top of the motor with a plastic housing so now tell me what u know about repairing a car
Oo and btw my dad is an engineer I think ib learned a few things about building and fabricating things which is part of degine untill u take a wrench to these vehicles or and probe to me that u do because I have many times u have no place to talk u don't have to be a deginer to know it's a bad idea
Did a oil change on one and it didn’t go on control arm prolly cuz it was low but should’ve pulled the plug and put plastic or something so doesn’t drench arm
For design engineers the priorities are, safety (it isn’t going to kill anyone),meeting the technical specification (it works), meeting the commercial requirements (costs), meeting the legislative requirements (laws), making it fit for manufacture, getting it through design reviews etc etc. Sorry if the maintenance guy needs a piece of cardboard occasionally. I’ll give you a blank page and pencil (or cad), let’s see if you have anything to maintain and complain about.
My favorite is the Subaru ring of fire filter change... I got REAL good at making the customer fucking wait till that bitch of a car cooled down. Also fucking haye the tundra cartridge filter WITH 0w-20 and YES i used the plastic nipple that you shove into the bottom of cartridge filter housing to drain oil.. I hated popping the drain plug to have 7 lbs of hot oil act like water. I was so happy when our shop got the mats that go in oil drain pans that stop any splashing
Have the same issues on land rovers. I cut 2 gatorade bottle bottoms off and wrapped coathangers around the recessed part up by the neck. The drai bolt falls through and the oil gets trapoed in the bottle like a funnel until the oil flow slows up. Solutions man...stoo crybabying about the problem.
No where near as bad as some of the 5.0 f150 drain plug locations. Sway bar is directly behind it and the plug is about 3/4 of an inch. So on a hot change, that shit goes 10 feet in every direction. I just drop the sway bar. Takes 30 seconds
many of these incoviences make it so the average joe doesn't want to do it themselves if cars stayed as simple as possible there would be less money for the car manufacturers and the dealerships and as a result less for the techs as well. I personally hate too but is does go both ways.
My chevy traverse shoots out onto the cross member support and spills everywhere. I leave the fill cap on when I drain it. Helps a bit. Slows the flow.
Folks you can makke your pre existing alloy engine run for free simply place magnetic caps on top of each piston and replace the valve head with either a magnetic head or electromagnetic head NEVER PAY FOR FUEL OR ELECTRICITY AGAIN
While i am fully aware of how to divert oil, it's not the point. Consumers shouldn't have to. Just like oil filter wrenches shouldn't be a thing, if people tightened oil filters how they're supposed to , the wrenches would be useless.
I don’t think that guys right. I’m pretty sure that these actually drain right past that part of the subframe. Haven’t done one in a while so don’t quote me on that.
Brother. I work on semis. And I agree wholeheartedly. Auto engineers are idiots. And diesel engineers need special helmets when meeting with diesel mechanics.
Maserati levante is the worst design ever. Plug and filter. When people don’t change their oil often the filter gets eroded and comes out in a spiral spilling oil everywhere since there’s wires and hoses in the way
Pretty sure the whole car is not designed by the same person and some departments design take priority like I’m sure we’re not going to make the engine team design a new drain plug because the chassis team decided to put something in the way of the engine oil drain flow that would be stupid let’s spend millions of dollars so we can have a perfect flow of oil into the technicians drain pan
Well to start id weld the existing drain hole shut with aluminum, then id drill a hole smack dab in the center. Following that I'd tap the hole for a steel insert. And plug it at the bottom...... smarter guy 👦
@@WhatTheDuckAuto if you're going to fix it yourself, sure, but that kind of thing won't happen in production. The engine is designed at one company. The chassis at another company. The body another, and so on. Often in different countries. Then all this crap has to be coordinated. I can't even imagine THAT nightmare. I work with engineers designing cosmetic pieces (trims, grilles, etc.). Crap that does nothing but look good and it gets ridiculous at times. I guess my point was, it's a miracle these things work at all. So, I don't sweat a messy oil change.
@@timdutton2056 not to necro a month old post but a simple solution, copy what works for other vehicle designs then, yall don't gotta be special Chevy Silverado's in general have the smartest oil filter and oil drain plug location, drain plug facing to one side, with the filter slightly above the drain plug allows mechanics to remove the plug and loosen the filter without making a mess, every single car could be designed to be that simple. But you engineers choose not to. part of it is business constraints, but personally i feel part of it is yall are too arrogant and half to make stuff different to feel good about it.
Your blaming the wrong people. What customer has ever entered a show room and said "I'm looking for a car that easy for technicians to work on." Zero, therefore the sales and marketing people who set the vehicle requirements, based in market place demands, don't make ease of maintenance a priority that has to be met by the design. So it isn't.
Yeah but if you look at the service manual it will say not to do an oil change on a hot engine and to let it cool for 30 minutes, however, aint nobody got time for that
They've been designing stupid shit from the beginning! My 79' Dodge 3/4 ton vans oil plug is about two inches infront and slightly above the exhaust pipe! So every time it drains it covers the exhaust in oil! 👍
Yes, I say the same thing all technicians do and mechanics and technicians are not the same. I don’t care how you put it they’re not there’s nothing in the same about them anything is engineers are stupid. We see it one way there is a reason why they do it. They will have a good reasonable explanation. Why they did it that way if it’s save money, new design, change the pitch whatever they will have a reason for it.
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As a automotive engineer im gonna agree on that
I am from computer science l want to work in automotive industry I need your guidance
You basterd you guys build from inside out and want use to figure out how to get in something and am hear to say the square block will fit in the round hole
America phuq yeah!
@@bernierosen1220 what
As an automotive engineer you should know that this isn't an engineering issue. Manufacturers put the same engine in various vehicles. An engineer could easily relocate the drain plug for every vehicle application but the higher ups want to save money on tooling costs.
I wouldn't mind taking an engineer and have them do car work for a day to experience his own work and flaws.
It’s Never too late lol
That's the sad part....
Manufacturers put the same engine in various vehicles. In this case they didn't have an engineer relocate the oil drain plug for this vehicle application. This has nothing to do with faulty engineering so you'll have to ask a higher up at GM that makes the decisions for R&D and tooling costs to experience the flaws.
You have to understand that engineer are ask to optimize the engineering for reduce assembly cost and time at the detriment of maintainability. If manufacturer told and reserved engineering time for easier maintenance, the result would probably be different.
We're not idiots we have some serious business constraints. Business leads the company not engineers unfortunetly. When we do package studies no doubt this popped up. But board level didnt take notice as it either cost to much to change the pacakging, time consuming, and to costly + neigbouring engineers will fight their corner to not agree (if not critical) so they do minimal changes and save extra work and costs. So the engineer who designed that error on packaging prob know and is unhappy but has no power to make the changes they wanted. Its bigger than 'oh just draw something up and make it' 🤦♂️ world is that straight forward when it comes to business and making profits. Engineering is secondary infortunetly. I've been in the industry for 15years and worked with 5major OEMs. So have something to go by.
Makes sense actually....good points
This fits very well in line with game developers, such $hit higher ups and ceos and having the game developers not have enough time to optimize or finish a game smh.
Typical corporateer, passing the buck to another department 😂
Mate i am currently an engineering student (1st year/ 5), and i want to pursue a career in the automotive industry, and if possible, in motorsports, do you have any advice to give me please ?
It seem like the mechanics is the real idiot he is so stupid he does not even realize that isf something is that simple and they can’t correct it politics must be involved
So just put a piece of cardboard there so the oil bounces off and goes down.
Design an oil pan that's made to drain
Most of the time, there isn't a simple fix for bad design....I was a mechanic for 25 years, and one day just decided I didn't want to fight the designers anymore.
I use aluminum. Works great
Exactly my thoughts 👍🏾
Right 😂
I 100% agree with you bro, i am an engineer and car mechanic i have faced alot problem as same as you showed.
It’s the masters of the engineers that are the evil
Why do people like you make excuses for crappy engineers?
Well I mean there are more important things to focus on when designing an entire car than where the oil drains out at.😆
@@keepmahaney7412Exactly it's very overwhelming.
Engineer... "We have designed a tool for that... Derrrr"
And it's free right
@@raymondbennett3841 $64.99
It would probably cost GM about $30,000 to move that drain plug on just that model. At aluminum oil pan would have to be recast for each and every one of those models produced. Oil filter comes in a pasteboard box that can easily be fashioned into a deflector so that you don't spill the oil everywhere use your head.
If they have a recall on something they are forced to pay alot to redesign the part
Look at the oil pan moron it’s literally custom to this car with the exhaust setup running right thru it
i feel like this situation does not warrant the level of anger in this mans voice😂
Like the old OBS chevies that made every lube tecnician in the world thats worked on one have the exact same burn scar on their wrist thanks to the oil filter thats an inch away from a cross pipe right out of a manifold, Thanks Chevy.
I think engineer should be required to spend a couple years in the shop before they can know where to put a Bolt. Half of these dudes a pocket protector wearing nerds that I’ve never gotten dirt under their fingernails so they have no idea what work is unless it comes in on a computer.
The engineering industry will never let that happen because of these reasons, it's not a lot of engineers in the market place, it's time consuming, it will delay process within projects, and it will be expensive to let that happen.
It's basically the supply demand game. It is more people who are less educated, then educated so corpations know they can use them compared to an engineer who spent 4-6 in college to learn their profession. So, that gives power to the engineer.
So, to save time and money they put all of the weight on the technicians, and labor guys to do the work...
Thats when you get the oil caddy right under the drain plug and loosen the drain plug just enough to have a slow drain straight down itll turn a 15 mins oil change into a 30 min oild change tho lol
Absolutely but some people are pretend mechanics so they don't problem solve😂
That's not the worst drain bolt location I've seen for a gm car, there was a recent model chevy equinox with the diesel engine option and there was a frame crossmember directly in front of the drain plug and the only way to remove it was to remove the crossmember, a subframe part, of course just 2 bolts but still.
Engineers are so advanced that they fail to recognize things that are simple even a dumb mechanic will notice.
Thats why you take a sheet of metal to manipulate the movement of the flow.
Not only automotive but aircraft engineers as well
My grandfather tells me the horry stories of aircraft designs. He was a aircraft mechanic for the army for 20 something years and private contracted for another 20 something.
This video is why I’m gonna try to become a certified mechanic so I know the practical effects of my designs as a mechanical engineer.
GM engineering standards
That's what I do, I find me a instrument of deflection, I position such apparatus in such a fashion that when I remove drain plug from the chat (temporarily), as the deluge of oil comes with utmost force from black hole my well thought positioning of deflection apparatus will guide potential disaster into oil catch device. Works quite well and Impalas are not only vehicles designed like this. Very stupid yes but easily overcome.
It actually clears it on this car but some trucks have the plug an inch away from and pointing directly at the sway bar
Ford eco turds
Not the engineers its the besn counters that wont allow common sense changes i eas an engineer for chevy 32 years
Not to mention it’s really fun getting those drain bolts out of impalas
I did automotive engineering and I can assure you that it was designed with automatic rust proofing in mind
I'm pretty sure thyr told too design it that way bc anybody can see thats stupid but all a ceo sees is money
We really mean to say that we make too little since we get past engineering problems all the time for fast food worker income.
I got a 2006 monte carlo ss and i can confirm it does NOT drain into that corner.
Ls1 vs 3.5
@@WhatTheDuckAuto Good point🤣
Imagine be able to use if something to direct the oil . The oil filler thing that normally Red😢
The oil filler thing that normally red. Thank you got it 👍
I say the same sometimes but to be fair automotive engineering is difficult. I cant build or design anything better
Love how a 8.00 pre hour employee at the local 10 minute oil change shop talks about engineers.
He is right tho I can show u mort thing we're they messed up take my trailblazer for example good vehicle I like it but I can show u about 10things they should of done differently
@@jjlawnservice5229 Do you know anything about design? Just because a bolt is hidden or a something in the way doesn’t make it a problem. Engineers have to make things work. In order to make something better, the designer will change something else. I once had a F-150 work van that I swear the entire thing was built around the windshield wiper motor. To change it was a nightmare. However, after looking at it I understand why. Look a little closer at your Blazer bro, there is a reason for everything.
@@jbparker5466 how about on my 4.2 trail blazer the ball joint knuckles stick out which impeads with bigger tires now look at the S10 blazer look at the Silverado compleatly different set up it works it does not interest with anything how about on the 4.2 I have to take off the ultornator to remove and replace the thermostat in it when every car I have ever repaired it was somewhere on the front if the motor in the instance of the video to change the oil in that now u r going to dump oil on the chassy and possibly the motor when u could of moved it over a little bit like every car under the sun how about the cobalt with a cheesy oil filter on top of the motor with a plastic housing so now tell me what u know about repairing a car
Oo and btw my dad is an engineer I think ib learned a few things about building and fabricating things which is part of degine untill u take a wrench to these vehicles or and probe to me that u do because I have many times u have no place to talk u don't have to be a deginer to know it's a bad idea
@@jjlawnservice5229 Are more important components easier accessible despite your complaints? Think about it
The Dunning Kruger effect
Did a oil change on one and it didn’t go on control arm prolly cuz it was low but should’ve pulled the plug and put plastic or something so doesn’t drench arm
let's say brother, that when engineers are planning something, mechanics and maintenance are not coming as first priority....
For design engineers the priorities are, safety (it isn’t going to kill anyone),meeting the technical specification (it works), meeting the commercial requirements (costs), meeting the legislative requirements (laws), making it fit for manufacture, getting it through design reviews etc etc. Sorry if the maintenance guy needs a piece of cardboard occasionally. I’ll give you a blank page and pencil (or cad), let’s see if you have anything to maintain and complain about.
My favorite is the Subaru ring of fire filter change... I got REAL good at making the customer fucking wait till that bitch of a car cooled down. Also fucking haye the tundra cartridge filter WITH 0w-20 and YES i used the plastic nipple that you shove into the bottom of cartridge filter housing to drain oil.. I hated popping the drain plug to have 7 lbs of hot oil act like water. I was so happy when our shop got the mats that go in oil drain pans that stop any splashing
The ring of fire ain’t even that bad lol it’s like one of easiest filters to change even if it’s hit just use a filter wrench lol
Laminar flow has left the chat
Can confirm, remove that plug and shi hits the fan 😂
My 72 ford f250 with a 360 fe plug is above the cross member
fumoto valves: ohayoooo
Have the same issues on land rovers. I cut 2 gatorade bottle bottoms off and wrapped coathangers around the recessed part up by the neck. The drai bolt falls through and the oil gets trapoed in the bottle like a funnel until the oil flow slows up. Solutions man...stoo crybabying about the problem.
It’s not a flaw. Think about it. All the vehicles I owned in New Jersey that leaked oil or did that with drain plug would keep it from rusting 😂.
Absolutely we do this in Chicago pretty often.
There's a procedure for that man that's why you don't remove the plug completely due to pressure
No where near as bad as some of the 5.0 f150 drain plug locations. Sway bar is directly behind it and the plug is about 3/4 of an inch. So on a hot change, that shit goes 10 feet in every direction. I just drop the sway bar. Takes 30 seconds
Same here lol 😆
I really wish that they have like 5 years prior working on car before being allowed to engineer
What do you mean bro that's a natural rust repellent. In Chicago this is normal and nobody complains unless they have an actual leak!
No Sir, they are brilliant because they know very well what they're doing, THEY'RE DRIVING UP REPAIR COSTS😮
Down with the College Graduates
You ever changed a oil pan on those mid to late 2000 impallas
I have not yet had the luxury to do that job lol
@@WhatTheDuckAuto if I remember correctly it pays a little over 5 hours and you gotta lower the subframe along with removing some other accessories
“Idiots” 😂
Sounds like a lube tech
All you need is a can of break cleaner after that
Most people who complain about the engineers just suck at their job
Most people who complain about the engineers just suck at their job.
I agree. I always have paper plates and duct tape handy.
It's your job to figure out to either extract the oil or redirect it. It's actually an idiot test.
Well considering i didnt do an oil change and was just pointing it out....... takes a crew of idiots to design the test 🙄
The people who design engines never have lunch with the people who design the rest of the car LOL
I’ve done oil changes on those, they don’t do that, mostly because they’re clapped out and don’t have much oil in them anyway
many of these incoviences make it so the average joe doesn't want to do it themselves if cars stayed as simple as possible there would be less money for the car manufacturers and the dealerships and as a result less for the techs as well. I personally hate too but is does go both ways.
My chevy traverse shoots out onto the cross member support and spills everywhere. I leave the fill cap on when I drain it. Helps a bit. Slows the flow.
Yep I’ve gotta drop the subframe and support the engine to replace an oil pan on my BMW 🙃🙃
Folks you can makke your pre existing alloy engine run for free simply place magnetic caps on top of each piston and replace the valve head with either a magnetic head or electromagnetic head NEVER PAY FOR FUEL OR ELECTRICITY AGAIN
Loosen the plug almost all the way and direct the oil with the plug don’t let all the oil out at once
That is such an easy thing to avoid. Remove the plug slowly or just use something to deflect the oil. Simple.
While i am fully aware of how to divert oil, it's not the point. Consumers shouldn't have to. Just like oil filter wrenches shouldn't be a thing, if people tightened oil filters how they're supposed to , the wrenches would be useless.
Removing the plug slowly just make the oil go into your sleeve first and then the oil still flows into you chassis.
I don’t think that guys right. I’m pretty sure that these actually drain right past that part of the subframe. Haven’t done one in a while so don’t quote me on that.
When auto engineers don’t do their own oil changes:
The person who designed the oil drain plug isn't the one who determines which application the engine will go in.
Ok but but look hear this out they also added looked like a tiny bit of the plug gone is out u can add a 90 joint
Brother. I work on semis. And I agree wholeheartedly. Auto engineers are idiots. And diesel engineers need special helmets when meeting with diesel mechanics.
The list is endless
Ive never had that happen to me on this application, did you record and upload this before pulling the plug?
Design all about profit, not ease of maintenance !
That’s probably to make you bring it to the shop to get oil change. Which makes the only idiot the mechanic an owner of the vehicle sadly
It doesn’t even go that far out, if anyone on here was a simple as a lube tech they would tell you that
Yet they make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.
Maserati levante is the worst design ever. Plug and filter. When people don’t change their oil often the filter gets eroded and comes out in a spiral spilling oil everywhere since there’s wires and hoses in the way
Agree 👍💯 you are absolutely right
Don't cry about it honey, 1 person designed the sump someone else designed the subframe without communication in-between.
No elbow = more profit
Well, thats a chevy engineer
It’s not the engineers that are idiots. It’s those business majors engineers work for that only care about making money.
Every fuckin time
Hy . They make you get creative with cardboard just not to get covered in oil
@@WhatTheDuckAuto yeah worked in that field way to long to know. Oh no wait to you see a back side oil filter.
dodge trucks are annoying asf w them oil changes too
Wonder how they did it for 50 years without that trouble
Engine was facing the correct way ?
self lubing chassis
Did a Chevy engineer edit this video?
Pretty sure the whole car is not designed by the same person and some departments design take priority like I’m sure we’re not going to make the engine team design a new drain plug because the chassis team decided to put something in the way of the engine oil drain flow that would be stupid let’s spend millions of dollars so we can have a perfect flow of oil into the technicians drain pan
Any drain plug should be on the very most bottom of a pan. This was not
Let's see YOU package all the crap on that car, smart guy.
Well to start id weld the existing drain hole shut with aluminum, then id drill a hole smack dab in the center. Following that I'd tap the hole for a steel insert. And plug it at the bottom...... smarter guy 👦
@@WhatTheDuckAuto if you're going to fix it yourself, sure, but that kind of thing won't happen in production.
The engine is designed at one company. The chassis at another company. The body another, and so on. Often in different countries. Then all this crap has to be coordinated. I can't even imagine THAT nightmare.
I work with engineers designing cosmetic pieces (trims, grilles, etc.). Crap that does nothing but look good and it gets ridiculous at times.
I guess my point was, it's a miracle these things work at all. So, I don't sweat a messy oil change.
@@timdutton2056 not to necro a month old post but a simple solution, copy what works for other vehicle designs then, yall don't gotta be special Chevy Silverado's in general have the smartest oil filter and oil drain plug location, drain plug facing to one side, with the filter slightly above the drain plug allows mechanics to remove the plug and loosen the filter without making a mess, every single car could be designed to be that simple. But you engineers choose not to. part of it is business constraints, but personally i feel part of it is yall are too arrogant and half to make stuff different to feel good about it.
Lol because they go through all that schooling and probably never work on an actual car 😂
Headlights any one?
That's the problem right there. Chevy, Ford, Chrysler, and so on
Your blaming the wrong people. What customer has ever entered a show room and said "I'm looking for a car that easy for technicians to work on." Zero, therefore the sales and marketing people who set the vehicle requirements, based in market place demands, don't make ease of maintenance a priority that has to be met by the design. So it isn't.
Some people do work on their own cars you know? 🙄
Imagine doing calculus,thermodynamics,advanced physics just for some bozo to diss you like that
Imagine doing all those things and designing a fwd impala..... who's the real bozo?
Gonna say tho engineers just make the parts to the best of their ability, nothing they say would ever change the designers dtawings
The real idiot is the service guy who took part in all those regular meetings during development and said that he's fine with it.
I do these impalas almost everyday, it only skims that parts and don’t really even make a mess, dude is just trying to get a few clicks out of y’all.
I hear you
You'll learn what aluminum foil is one day
Yeah but if you look at the service manual it will say not to do an oil change on a hot engine and to let it cool for 30 minutes, however, aint nobody got time for that
They've been designing stupid shit from the beginning! My 79' Dodge 3/4 ton vans oil plug is about two inches infront and slightly above the exhaust pipe! So every time it drains it covers the exhaust in oil! 👍
Cardboard is your best friend
Yes, I say the same thing all technicians do and mechanics and technicians are not the same. I don’t care how you put it they’re not there’s nothing in the same about them anything is engineers are stupid. We see it one way there is a reason why they do it. They will have a good reasonable explanation. Why they did it that way if it’s save money, new design, change the pitch whatever they will have a reason for it.
Retired police car bud they put a different pin on it
If it was easy everyone would be doing it
If all pork chops were perfect we wouldnt have hotdogs
If you think about as a mechanic you can easily get around dumb engineering.. most of the time
Spray it with brake kleen after