X-MEN MOVIES RANKED: Fox's Abandoned Plan RETURNING?
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What was Fox’s actual PLAN for the future of the X-Men films before the Disney buyout? Now that we’ve reexamined all of the Fox X-Men and Deadpool films in our X-Men Rewatch on New Rockstars, we’ve been able to reconnect the dots to see the original plan to introduce Mr. Sinister. Erik Voss explains!
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"we did not need to see Channing Tatum ever" might genuinely be the worst take this channel has had
The “fast and loose” style young Charles works for me. He only became more careful in his steps after recovering from the drunken depression that happened after he was paralyzed
Yep, hard agree! It's okay for a character to do a 180 arc after a traumatic event and dealing with it to become a wiser stronger and better leader
Yeah I think it fits His Character Perfectly and I Love That Version of Charles First Class is One of My Favorite X-Men Films.
Anya as Magik was a good casting choice
I will never forgive Fox for treating Cyclops as a side character. He is the leader of the team, the Captain America for the X-men. MCU Cyclops should be like the X-men '97 version. Badass leader, who can do hand to hand combat, who utilizes his laser beam, and that SUPERHERO LANDING is 🔥
Cyclops is kinda eh
Yeah but it's time to forgive so you can move forward in life
@@whiskeryscorer2393Have you even read the comics?
Fax
Apocalypse was in hibernation like Cell 😀
Unpopular opinion: Origins was not that bad. Is it a masterpiece? Maybe not. But it’s fun and I personally have a great time watching it.
Plus it was the only movie with Gambit, which imo is a huge win
I agree and the movie is better then X-men Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix in my opinion because it was at least way more entertaining then those movies.
That scene where wolverine jumps out of the helicopter that gambit is flying, and a terrible CG Logan skips across the water like a flat stone. Movie gold
@@isaacwood429Yet this is what made me so angry. We only got him in one movie because he was born way too soon. However, we ith what little time he had, Taylor Kitch embodied him beautifully.
@@isaacwood429he got nerfed to shit tho
The only thing I would change is putting DOFP over X2 and potentially a 2 way tie with Logan. I feel like DOFP legitimately feels like Xmen from start to finish
Yeah DOFP Is My Favorite X-Men Movie and One of My Favorite Super Hero Movies Of All Time.
Banning comics on set is something 😢
Apparently Marvel Studios has been doing that as well recently.
Hugh even sneaked up to Feige for comics
There's no way it's happening
X Men franchise-4 Razzies
F4 Fox franchise-4 Razzies
Monsterverse - 1 Razzie (0%-50%)
DCEU- 5 Razzies (0%-50%)
MCU- 2 Razzies (Inhumans-lowest(11%) and Quantumania -highest rated Marvel Razzie(46%))
SSU- 4 Razzies including Venom
Highest rated Marvel Razzie & Lowest rated MCU film=Quantumania - 46%
Lowest rated MCU Razzie=Inhumans -11%
Worst of Marvel=Fant4stic-9%
Highest rated DCEU Razzie-=Shazam 2 -49%
Worst Superhero film ever-Catwoman -9%
Lowest rated DCEU Razzie- Suicide Squad(theatrical)-26% BvS-29%
@@SirsasthNigam. Writers and directors who worked with Marvel Studios said that it is happening. The first X-Men movie was over 20 years ago, Feige has clearly changed his mind on the subject.
@@agentofchaos7456 even so
MCU is not MCU without Marvel characters
Sony Stupidity Universe
15:15 I thought the Apoc Quicksilver sequence was better. Time didn’t stop and the explosion is faster than people so I was on the edge of my seat and I constantly rewatch. The first Quicksilver scene in DOFP seems more like time was frozen and while cool, there doesn’t seem to be any ticking clock to worry about.
Fr, Apocalypse really showed how his powers would work. Time never fully stopped, he was just that fast. But also not fast enough to save Alex Summers who was close to the explosion.
He also played around too much and didn’t save everyone in time.
Of course I was tired of them using Havok as the older Summers brother instead of Vulcan & never had the summers brothers meet so it was whatever.
It's been fun revisiting all these movies before Deadpool and Wolverine! It was awesome to see the journey of how these movies grew and evolved over the course of the Fox era, even if they had some low points. The really high points really made it all worth it. Some of those points will always go down as some of my favorite X-Men moments ever.
I'm not arguing that Dark Pheonix shouldn't be last, but I am arguing that there IS 1 good sequence in that movie... Magneto fighting off the (not) skrulls on the train was badass
Magneto IS badass. Except in that early Fantastic Four animated series. I will never forgive them for that.
The score and visual effects were also great
For me Logan should be last.
The scene where Jean moved the train was pretty cool too.
@@Just_SanderWhat garbage bait lol
No way "The Wolverine" gets ranked higher than "First Class"
It's a close call... I ain't complaining
Facts💥 I like the wolverine but.. Xmen First Class was waaaaay better
it’s peak 😂🔥
Wolverine was a better movie. First Class you kill a mutant whose powers are literally adapting to anything bc sure that power set and backstory can’t be useful in future movies say if a world ending mutant who body swaps comes along.
Yeah Exactly what I was thinking First Class is One of My Favorite Super Hero Movies of All Time.
Simon Kinberg always did a better job as a producer than as a writer
Is because of him that we got "First Class", "Deadpool" and "Logan"
I actually think X-Men Origins Wolverine wasn't that bad. I think it gets a bad rep just because of the third act. The only thing I don't like about the film is that it's never explained why Victor doesn't remember Logan in the first X-Men film since he never got shot with adamantium bullets, so by all accounts it's a bit of a "plot hole."
He was, probably, experimented on, triggering his secondary mutation (the more feral look) and doesn't remember much, but he still has a fixation with Logan's dog tags 🤷🏽♂️
I think there's an interview somewhere where they were asked this and their response was that it's two separate characters. In their minds "Victor" in Wolverine is a completely different person from "Sabretooth" in XMen
@@jeremyachristensenmy headcanon was that Sabretooth eventually got a Wolverine-esque transformation leading to his different look and neither of them recognizing each other due to memory loss, doesn’t victor get metal claws in the comics?
DoFP wiped it all out of existence so it’s for the best anyway.
@@jeremyachristensenalmost like Victor Creed is more Romulus or repurposed Daken as his brother. OR Sabertooth acting more like Mr Sinster’s flunky Hairbag.
I’m sure DP & Wolverine will address this plot hole.
Deadpool is not an RR movie. Characters typically should be bigger, however this casting as Deadpool is so dang accurate, it doesn't matter at all. They are the same person. He gets away with it
Facts Ryan Reynolds is Perfect as Deadpool
for me days of future past will always be my favorite
but i think logan is arguably the “best” film
The are both S-tier movies in my opinion even though I love Logan a little more then days of future past.
Same. I think DoFP is #1 and Logan #2 in the entire series. DoFP is way more fun IMO due to the stakes and the cast.
I like your list. I would rate Deadpool 2 higher. I enjoyed it more after a rewatch. The movie brought more characters in and established which X-Men universe/timeline it was in.
Despite their problems the Fox X men universe will always hold a special place in my heart and its best movies are some of the best cbms period.
Same
Imo none of the X-Men movies have managed to capture the true spectacle of the 70s - 90s magic of the X-Men comics.
No way he put Deadpool 2 at #9 just because it had too much of “Ryan Reynolds’s being Ryan Reynolds”💀
Did you miss all the other reasons I gave lol
I know right? Ryan Reynolds is like Jeff Goldblum to me. The more he is himself the better I like it, and Deadpool is as much Ryan Reynolds as he is Deadpool. The two are inextricably linked. Never a dull moment with him.
@@NewRockstars It’s all subjective. We all have our own lists.
Yeah it’s a weird take, because I just don’t see any difference between Ryan Reynold’s being Ryan Reynold’s and Deadpool as a character. Like I just don’t see how you can “Un-Ryan Reynold”the deapool movies without taking away what makes them feel like actual deadpool movies, if you get what I mean 💀
I gotta disagree about Deadpool, I think 2 was far more rewatchable
agreed
I agree. I like both movies but I kinda liked the second more.
It is also more rewatchable to me as well, but I figure everyone brings their own unique experiences, preferences, interpretations and expectations to every film, and the things he dings it for seem to make it less rewatchable to him.
This is the weirdest way I've ever seen anyone rank stuff.
Agreed
He’s ranking them in release order. Not THAT weird.
We did it this way because, honestly, other ways of announcing rankings suck. They just beg viewers to turn off their brains and begin shouting at the first sign of disagreement. If you want to see the full ranking top to bottom, go ahead and skip to the end of the video, you know that's where you'll find it. To watch a video thoughtfully reviewing all the options in a rewatch, their connections, their relationship to each other, requires a chronological reexamination in which the easy best and worst outliers could be quickly categorized as such, and the more debatable ones set aside for a more scrutinized approach later. This is how the human brain actually ranks and sorts stuff and we think it's more interesting to invite someone into that deliberation in real time, rather than just barf out another list you're just gonna disagree with part of.
Razzie: 0%-50%
Razzie dodger :51%-70%
Oscar dodger:71-90%
Oscar: 91%-100%
X Men franchise-4 Razzies
F4 Fox franchise-4 Razzies
Monsterverse - 1 Razzie (0%-50%)
DCEU- 5 Razzies (0%-50%)
MCU- 2 Razzies (Inhumans-lowest(11%) and Quantumania -highest rated Marvel Razzie(46%))
SSU- 4 Razzies including Venom
Highest rated Marvel Razzie & Lowest rated MCU film=Quantumania - 46%
Lowest rated MCU Razzie=Inhumans -11%
Worst of Marvel=Fant4stic-9%
Highest rated DCEU Razzie-=Shazam 2 -49%
Worst Superhero film ever-Catwoman -9%
Lowest rated DCEU Razzie- Suicide Squad(theatrical)-26% BvS-29%
Facts/preach, good stuff y'all
@@NewRockstars
Imagine banning the source material on set.. some of these directors are cooked
Nah champ, Wolverine Origins was by far the worst.
I agree with most of what was said. However, I love First Class so much. I have plenty of problems with the director and some of the storytelling choices, but the character work between McAvoy and Fassbender has me more emotionally invested than almost anything else in the franchise... with some obvious Logan-sized exceptions.
The Wolverine was good but.. First Class was waaaaay better
@@alexanderadonyae7937 I completely agree
I will say this about Dark Phoenix, the train fight was sick
I liked the last dark phoenix alot more than last stand
Agreed.
Avi Arad ruined The Last Stand
Simon Kinberg did a better job as director than Brett Ratner
AVI ARAD worked on the first movies as executive producer
But for the 3rd movie, he decided to step in as the main producer
That's why we got a movie done by a director with no passion, and a limited story overstuffed with characters, just so he could sell more toys
So the lesson here is
Keep him far away from anything marvel
@@jacksykes4680 Not just that
He's also behind Borderlands, Zelda and Naruto
@@Zombiesnyder13 uh oh
@@Zombiesnyder13behind what??? NARUTO???
I respectfully disagree with you...I like the Wolverine and it was good but First Class was waaaaay better 🔥
Can anyone explain to me Erics dislike of Ryan Reynolds? The only explanation I got from the video was "Ryan Reynolds being Ryan Reynolds" lol...
I think what he was trying to say is that Deadpool has the same personality (which is Ryan Reynolds on crack) with everyone in the movie, he doesn’t say he dislikes reynolds, he even admires him at some point in the video I think but it’s just the fact that Deadpool didn’t have that much of a difference in personalities with the side characters and just acted the same with everyone (expect yukio), at least that’s how I viewed it. Hope this helps 🫶🏻
@@FlashLegionI mean... That's just Deadpool tho. 🤣🤣🤣
@@iQueue211 it’s both tbh 😭
@@FlashLegion To be fair, Deadpool was written to have a Ryan Reynolds personality in the comics. It's a weird situation where the real human that Deadpool's personality is based on now has creative control of Deadpool. Deadpool is just Ryan Reynolds but with powers in the Mavel Universe.
He doesn’t dislike him, he’s just being honest lol.
Always when I rewatch this series I skip The Last Stand and the Wolverine movies, and end with Days of Future Past. That makes it an amazing series and it's still cohesive as a story. It feels more like something with a start and an end. There's enough of Wolverine's backstory in X2 to make sense and even the look on Logan's face when he sees Jean again in the end could be interpreted as "confused to see his friends alive again". I like to watch Logan as a separate movie.
DoFP references Last Stand, so you could include it, as it was disappointing, but not horrible...
However, Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix are best forgotten.
Quick silver didn't stop time in Apocalypse time was just slowed down items were still moving like the explosion.
Unpopular opinion, I love Apocalypse. I think the cast is excellent, and it does the phoenix better than X3 did.
Magneto didn't even appear in Dark Phoenix until over halfway through the film's runtime and only gets 13 minutes of screentime. With all due respect, I would argue that saying the movie is about Magento is silly since he barely appears it. The stuff with him was a B-story. I feel like this is just a case of cognitive bias.
Absolutely.
Deadpool 2 at 9th place just broke my heart 💔
Unsorted? That's dumb imo lol be tough and rank it and just love with whatever happens after
When having 13 ranks and by the time a 3rd unrank movie got put it I’m just I’m done watching
I will not let you slander the unknown potential of Channing Tatum's Gambit.
There is no potential it’s not a good idea💀💀
I personally love origins, as a kid the movie made me fall in love with superhero movies
Didn't you say that Dark Phoenix suppose to be a two-parter but its sequel got canned? That film even ended with a sequel tease. It's an incomplete adaptation so it makes sense to why it leaves out parts from the comics. They were saving it for a potential sequel. Cramming an entire saga would have created even more problems.
Saying DP2 is a movie "you only need to see once" is... definitely a take.
5:33 that’s why THE Wolverine is one of my top underrated superhero movies
Ranking by spending the first half of the video putting them in unsorted? What?
Hot take, Logan is not number one. Do NOT care for it as much as others, good just not a real X-men movie. I rank dark phoenix above it.
X2, X1, future past, dark phoenix then the others
How about you write down how you want rank the movies before filming the video
I will just agree with No. 1 - Logan
Fox would’ve had a perfect record with these movies if they followed most of the animated series especially with X3 and the dark Phoenix
saying Deadpool 2 is a movie you only need to see once is wildly bias. but it’s your ranking so i can’t be pressed. I just watched last night for maybe my 5th time and it was the best viewing of it yet. certain themes and moments hit different to different people
I’m kind of curious after seeing this list is what is Erik’s 10 superhero media (shows, animated, and live action movies)
I think you got the rankings just right. Didn't like the fact that Apocalypse was ranked 11th but after all the slots filled up, thats where it had to be. And I think we all can agree Dark Phoenix belongs at the last spot. So, Good Job!
I was 12 when X-men Origins Wolverine came out and that shit ruled.
I would’ve put First Class at the bottom with Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix personally, for the rest I totally agree even though DeadPool 2 is still, more enjoyable to watch then most of the movies you putted before him in your list :)
I'm not gonna lie, the movies that are bad in this franchise are not nearly as bad as they seemed. I think all the expectations put on them hurt them more than anything and when viewed on their own merits have good to them. However, they make a couple HUGE mistakes that are pretty core to the X-Men (Cyclops' role, Storm's role, Phoenix being done correctly, etc.) and it hurts every movie outside of the top tier of the franchise.
I rewatched most of the xmen movies recently and comparing those lesser xmen movies to the current MCU is like night and day strangely enough
@@KarolGacek18 i do think that part of the reason why some of the X movies have aged better than others is because we don’t really get superhero movies like that anymore, and with that absence our hearts have grown fonder to the style. The things those
movies did well is amplified while the bad things aren’t focused on.
that’s not even factoring in nostalgia, which is so strong for that era in media right now people are acting like Star Wars Episodes 1 and 2 are actually 4 star movies lmao
I will give the Wolverine a rewatch because I believe Deadpool too, and the wolverine should be swapped in the ranking. That’s just my opinion.
Love your stuff keep it up
How weird is it? Kevin got his big break because he made a point to read the comics nowadays they are happy not to read them encouraged
I love Deadpool 2. I do not know where it ranks because I think the Deadpool movies are on their own separate from the rest of the x-men movies.
They were definitely better than I remembered. I enjoyed this rewatch. I would rank Deadpool 2 higher, right with Deadpool 1.
19:56 come on the train scene is fantastic, you can’t deny that
Also, the visual affects and production value.
X Men franchise-4 Razzies
F4 Fox franchise-4 Razzies
Monsterverse - 1 Razzie (0%-50%)
DCEU- 5 Razzies (0%-50%)
MCU- 2 Razzies (Inhumans-lowest(11%) and Quantumania -highest rated Marvel Razzie(46%))
SSU- 4 Razzies including Venom
Highest rated Marvel Razzie & Lowest rated MCU film=Quantumania - 46%
Lowest rated MCU Razzie=Inhumans -11%
Worst of Marvel=Fant4stic-9%
Highest rated DCEU Razzie-=Shazam 2 -49%
Worst Superhero film ever-Catwoman -9%
Lowest rated DCEU Razzie- Suicide Squad(theatrical)-26% BvS-29%
The Wolverine at anything but second to last is crazy
10:53 I havent finished watching the video, but how can you call this a "ranking" if 4 of the first 6 movies discussed arent ranked? Why not just do the ranking section at the end ibstead of separating each movie discussion woth a ranking session?
X men origins is cool, the fight in the end was dope
Logan is #3 for me. I just can’t put it above Days of Future Past or X2 because I’ve only been able to bring myself to watch it twice in the 7 years since it came out.. it’s an essentially perfect movie but so painful to watch
I’ve only seen it twice because I can’t take it 🤦🏽♂️
X2 is the best movie in my opinion.
W it has so many amazing moments
X2 definitely has stood the test of time.
I couldn’t watch Logan again, but I could watch Deadpool2 over and over. So much more visually entertaining.
Deadpool 2 at #9 is nuts
Deadpool 2 at 9 is outrageous imo easily top 5
Better than we remember?
No, worse actually.
Especially in comparsion with X-Men '97
I'm here after watching ep. 5 of 97 and idk how u guys will be able to break this down. Im conflicted and sad and marvel will be paying for my therapy trips
I do believe your pretty close with your thoughts on where these movies go. I've been watching these movies over the years and some have held my attention but some have not
Call me biased because in 2009 a 6 year old me was introduced to the MCU/superhero movies through the X-men but I loved the dark Phoenix especially the team up on the train with magneto and his evil brotherhood of mutants with the X-men to protect Jean from those creepy alien things yeah it was a crappy send off to the X-men but to me it was a heartfelt send off to the very lovable characters I grew up watching. Again it was a crappy movie but I loved it and I still do
With the movies I’ve seen, my ranking is:
1. Logan
2. X-Men: Days of Future Past
3. X-Men: First Class
4. X-Men 2
5. Deadpool 2
6. Deadpool
7. The Wolverine
8. X-Men
9. X-Men: Apocalypse
10. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
11. X-Men: Dark Phoenix
I actually really enjoyed Wolverine Origins, other than them fumbling the character arcs before the third act! Great cast, and almost a very awesome story
I'd switch The Wolverine and Deadpool 2 and that would be closer to mine.
Not Deadpool 2 at 9😂😂
DP2 is mostly just Ryan Reynolds Ryan Reynoldsing everybody 😂 that’s so accurate😂😂
This list is actually super good imo the only things I would disagree with is dp 2 that low and I would bump the first Deadpool over days of future past and put dp2 under days of future past in my personal opinion then everything else looks perfect to me
Deadpool 2 at 9 is crazy 😅😂😂😂
Hope we get Sinister and then Krakoa in the MCU.
Good video. I liked the ranking for the most part. I feel DP1 should be higher... 3rd (or 2nd?) maybe. The rest can stay where the are.
This just...isn't correct at all in my op 😂
I was always upset that instead of Colossus vs Juggernaut in X3, they gave us Kity Pryde vs Juggernaut
One nitpick about the mutant kids in Logan. Colossus, Wolverine and his kids are the front line tank class of Mutants that can soak all the damage. Most mutants have normal human durability with crap powers, ranged powers or vague mind powers.
i think they are different universes.
First class trilogy universe
Xmen 1&2 universe
Wolverine - Logan universe
Last stand is logans dream, never happened.
DOFP multiverse film
I think its technically two separate timelines and not universes due to the events of the days of future past movie.
Ryan Reynolds played Juggernaut due to budget constraints, never was a selfish choice
The alternate title for "The Wolverine" is "Logun"..
Gonna try watch all the marvel and mcu movies before secret wars since llooks like ill have plenty tine
The AUDACITY to put Deadpool behind any of these films besides Logan baffles me. Honestly it's probably tied for first with Logan. Even Deadpool 2 still better than the other X-men movies.
I think this list is fine. Logan is definitely number 1, and where you put the rest fit with maybe some movements up or down but where you ranked them, I believe generally would be agreed upon for most people. the only movie id move up to a would be Deadpool 2, probably above 1st class. I think it does get better upon re-watch and is more enjoyable. I have been re-watching them again so I'm interested if ill have the same opinion on some of these
I have LOGAN and Days of future past as the top 2
The only ones I like lol
I feel like the problem with Sophie Turner and Jennifer Lawrence was with direction and the material more than their acting.
I feel like you didn't rank off of action enough I like to see special people do dope stuff with their powers we need more of that
I’m pretty much in agreement here. Maybe only switching Origins: Wolverine and Apocalypse…
Logan was the best followed by the Deadpool movies, the rest of the X-men movies stink honestly
I think deadpool two should be way higher, probably something like 6th
Apocalypse this low is not deserved. The movie is more rewatchable than others
4:51 One can't lean into any themes about Bobby or ding a 2006 movie for reveals about his sexuality that came afterwards.
Wolvi Origins is so nowhere NEAR as bad as Last Stand, nor as unenjoyable but the rest of this list is pretty solid
The problem I have with many of the X-Men movies is that they always try to have too many mutants in each movie. I wish there would have been more patience and character development in each movie with fewer character intros. Sure it may have taken a couple more movies to get to the end story, but I think it would have made the movies better.
It's the X-men, not X-man...
They're team up movies.
I can just hear all little kids screaming chew it and do it now lol😅