Helly is so fascinating. Her outie is the most enthusiastic and hardcore about Lumon, and yet her innie hates it more than anyone else. For her, it’s all or nothing.
Judging by the way her father talks to her in the final she's probabaly pressured into it which is why her Innie is so determined to get out, she has that subconscious part of her that wants to part of this nonsense Plus the idea of "You're gonna be stuck here forever and you can do nothing about it, youre not a real person" isn't exactly a tempting prospect to live for
I'm kind of the opposite! I think it actually makes sense for her to be more polarized. I think on a subconscious level she knows she hasn't worked a day in her life. Everyone else is content because they know they should be working and earning to pay the bills, but Helena likely never felt that societal, capitalist pressure given how well off she was. Now Helly's memories of that upbringing are wiped, and for the first time she gets to see Lumon for what it truly is. She's appalled by it, and she's even more appalled because her mind and body never experienced a shitty office job. Another way to look at it: Helena is a major public figure for the pro-Severance party. Leadership, debate, public speaking, etc. is a part of her personality, so naturally Helly will be just as headstrong but in the other direction.
Just imagine Helena's actual hubris here for a moment: suddenly waking up in an elevator choking to death because your "innie" tried to make you be the one having to experience death, knowing she can do actual permanent phyaical harm to you, and STILL having the audacity to be confident enough that you are still in control and sending her back down into the severed floor with the knowledge she will likely try and hurt you again. Helena is either incredibly indoctrinated, or believes that she's so powerful that she's untouchable even after that experience.
i think helena has an inferiority complex/daddy issues and shes doing the severance thing to try and prove herself to her dad, like after the s attempt they probably tried to convince her not to go back but shes like "no I can handle it" to maybe try and prove herself/get her dads approval
@@davidkonevky7372 thats not right though there are lots of ways still she could break the mirror in bathroom and take shards and use them in the elevator
That expression of Mark’s terrified expression just being wiped off of his face is.. something else. His misery and worry for Helly just buried away, disallowing him to think about what just happened. He’ll take it home with him from work, sure, but it’s just buried in there somewhere.
It’s amazing for a couple reasons agreed. Just what it faces you to realize, how you just said, being totally separated from grief or trauma, and it’s a direct call back to how he has now been through multiple traumas and once the switch flips bam, he doesn’t have to worry about it.
It kind of shows how insidious lumen is as well. That stress that mark felt in that moment, that’s still with him. I’m surprised his outtie didn’t notice his heart beating so hard and the pit in his stomach. It’s like Petey said “you take the pain with you, you just don’t know what it is”
@@Beeti1but she wouldn’t be aware of it. Only her Outie From her perspective she is just getting in the elevator and just never came out. It would be her outie who experiences death
@ bro what are you talking about? She rigged it so her Outie would wake up to being hung to death Mark ruined her plans but if she successfully pulled it off, that elevator door would have closed and Helly’s outie would suddenly wake up seconds from death
Maybe she just wanted to scare her, she calculated the time in the elevator so that all the pain and horror would go to her outie, maybe she understood that she would not have time to die and the guard would save her. But it would have been a serious message for outie "don't come here anymore or you will die". But for Helly it was still suicide, because she did not want to wake up as Helly anymore.
The first time you watch it it's almost triumphant, becuase this is the only way Helly can assert any control over her situation, but on subsequent watches it becomes so harrowing.
@@nothere413 Oh amazing. If I find the time I will watch it again. Season 1 was pretty good but I watched when I was 15 so I just remember the big twist xD I always wondered if its worth it to finish the show
Aside from great acting and writing the look of this show is so amazing - the thoughtfulness of every composition. The clock behind Mark's head suggestive of the halo on paintings of saints - showing his innocence. Is it is barely visible this might be coincidence but I can't help but think it was placed there for a reason.
**Spoiler alert for end of season one** I feel like the reason Helly’s outie is so different from her innie on a fundamental level is because Office Helly is a grown adult with a clean slate. And anyone given no indoctrination, no mind control, would be able to see how screwed up this arrangement is. Her outie, has been raised in an environment whose success and I assume financial gain is contingent upon this system thriving.
I agree. Also, you can infer a lot about who Outie Helly is as a person; headstrong, argumentative, a good public speaker, a leader for a political movement, etc. Naturally Innie Helly will exhibit those personality traits too, in the other direction, which makes her innie and outie perspectives more polarized than those of her coworkers.
I totally agree, Helly at her core is a rebel & a skeptic who would have never chosen to be severed on her own. I have a feeling we’ll find out young Helena was very difficult for her family to control, refusing to conform to the strict life plan all Eagan children have laid out for them in a similar way to her innie. Eventually she decides to join the dynasty (maybe for inheritance, power, etc) & the only way to fully atone for her rebellious behavior is to be the first Eagan to get severed
I wonder if the Outies personalities are kind of the reverse than their respective Innie on some aspects, though. Irvin is dark and scared outside, probably has PTSD and he is haunted by nightmares he paints obsessively. Innie Irvin loves painting too, but he looks enthusiastic, charming, lighter in his tone. Mark outie is woeful, depressed and bitter while Mark innie is friendly, stable and likes jokes. We don’t know how Dylan is, but following that theory, that would mean that Helena is the opposite to Helly in many regards. When Helly is defiant, Helena would be (and is shown) compliant. Helly opposes Lumon, Helena cooperates. It’s like a mirror: the person and their reflection looks the same, but are reversed - so aren’t quite exactly the same, actually.
I love the sheer fear in mark’s face being replaced with a look of tired indifference, it’s such a brutal switch, something you’d only see in severance
And then instantly as he goes back down the next day straight into pure terror again while his Outie has 0 idea anything is going on This show is fascinating to watch
I just noticed something about the musical story telling. Before he enters the elevator, you can hear an eerie, lingering note played by strings. As he goes up the elevator, the note fades away, like his memories fading away from his mind.
There are many puns and foreshadowing in that series. For instance, “defiant jazz” is the song Helly picks in the episode where they dance. And Helly is defiant indeed. At some point, Helly says to Mark that she should tell him to go to Hell, only he’s already in it. Helena is part of the family that created that Hell at the office where Mark is indeed now stuck in. And Helena’s innie has “Hell” in her name “Helly”. Helly R Hell y r Hell you are You are in Hell.
The fact that her outie knows she tried to commit suicide but still sent her back to work is crazy. They couldn't just leave a note on the car cos she was fighting for her life when the elevator opened downstairs.
Exactly, it completely sells the entire scene to me. I love how Mark seems like this corporate suit to Helly, but in reality he actually really cares about her when it comes down to it. The music compliments this perfectly.
For me what’s incredibly interesting about Helly’s character is the connection between her outie and innie which makes for the contrast in their points of view. Helly’s outie being from a rich family with a powerful standing in society, makes her innie’s reaction to the going’s on really believable. She’s questioning everything, she’s rebelling, she doesn’t take the explanations given to her like the others. Her self confidence from being from a rich background is actually the catalyst for her outie’s cause.
Her name is interesting and seems intentional. Helena which means 'shining light' or like Helen of Troy, the golden girl that two armies fought over except it's Helena of the outies vs Helly of the innies. And Helly is like Hell as in her life inside is a dark hell or she's fighting like hell or she's giving Helena hell.
Rewatching it again makes it more shocking. Graner may be an asshole but you realized he was dealing with an internal crisis with an Eagan while innie Mark has never seen or react to something like this.
SPOILER Now I understand why the security guy is freaking out, not just because a severed employee tried to kill themselves but because this employee happens to the boss's daughter
I hope this show gets a good 3-4 seasons to finish this out. I think Helly is on a path to becoming her innie full-time. I hope by the end of the show she becomes this version of herself because her outtie is a horrible person.
I did not watch this dystopian series. Obviously she had some insight. Why didn’t she fight back and say ‘Bring me back from the dead, and I will fucking kill you all- or, at least, try for all eternity’?
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Helly is so fascinating. Her outie is the most enthusiastic and hardcore about Lumon, and yet her innie hates it more than anyone else. For her, it’s all or nothing.
It's interesting to me who wil prevail in Helly. If she reintegrates in a later season, I wonder if she will lean for or against Lumon.
I think her outie is pressured into the family business. I bet there's a lot of resentment in there and it's only let out through Helly.
Judging by the way her father talks to her in the final she's probabaly pressured into it which is why her Innie is so determined to get out, she has that subconscious part of her that wants to part of this nonsense
Plus the idea of "You're gonna be stuck here forever and you can do nothing about it, youre not a real person" isn't exactly a tempting prospect to live for
I'm kind of the opposite! I think it actually makes sense for her to be more polarized. I think on a subconscious level she knows she hasn't worked a day in her life. Everyone else is content because they know they should be working and earning to pay the bills, but Helena likely never felt that societal, capitalist pressure given how well off she was. Now Helly's memories of that upbringing are wiped, and for the first time she gets to see Lumon for what it truly is. She's appalled by it, and she's even more appalled because her mind and body never experienced a shitty office job.
Another way to look at it: Helena is a major public figure for the pro-Severance party. Leadership, debate, public speaking, etc. is a part of her personality, so naturally Helly will be just as headstrong but in the other direction.
@@nothere413 lol Helena eagen is pure evil and main villain
Just imagine Helena's actual hubris here for a moment: suddenly waking up in an elevator choking to death because your "innie" tried to make you be the one having to experience death, knowing she can do actual permanent phyaical harm to you, and STILL having the audacity to be confident enough that you are still in control and sending her back down into the severed floor with the knowledge she will likely try and hurt you again.
Helena is either incredibly indoctrinated, or believes that she's so powerful that she's untouchable even after that experience.
I think she is indoctrinated/ wants to prove how awesome Severance is so everyone is using it
i think helena has an inferiority complex/daddy issues and shes doing the severance thing to try and prove herself to her dad, like after the s attempt they probably tried to convince her not to go back but shes like "no I can handle it" to maybe try and prove herself/get her dads approval
She's just a fetid moppet!
I think they made it VERY clear that they got rid of any potentially harmful objects that she could use to kill her outie after this incident
@@davidkonevky7372 thats not right though there are lots of ways still she could break the mirror in bathroom and take shards and use them in the elevator
That expression of Mark’s terrified expression just being wiped off of his face is.. something else. His misery and worry for Helly just buried away, disallowing him to think about what just happened. He’ll take it home with him from work, sure, but it’s just buried in there somewhere.
It’s amazing for a couple reasons agreed. Just what it faces you to realize, how you just said, being totally separated from grief or trauma, and it’s a direct call back to how he has now been through multiple traumas and once the switch flips bam, he doesn’t have to worry about it.
@@Blarnix did you just start talking about meta lol
@@milkybalance342 youtube legitimately just broke, this was not where i posted that comment LMAO
It kind of shows how insidious lumen is as well. That stress that mark felt in that moment, that’s still with him. I’m surprised his outtie didn’t notice his heart beating so hard and the pit in his stomach.
It’s like Petey said “you take the pain with you, you just don’t know what it is”
It didn't hit me until later when she said it herself: she wasn't commiting suicide, she was murdering her outtie.
She was literally, in every sense of the word, at war with herself.
She can't murder one without murdering the other, so she was indeed commuting suicide.
@@Beeti1but she wouldn’t be aware of it. Only her Outie
From her perspective she is just getting in the elevator and just never came out. It would be her outie who experiences death
@@ethanharmer5151but her outie wouldn't know either if she was successful. Her outie also went it elevator just to never wake up
@ bro what are you talking about? She rigged it so her Outie would wake up to being hung to death
Mark ruined her plans but if she successfully pulled it off, that elevator door would have closed and Helly’s outie would suddenly wake up seconds from death
After the message she received from her outie, this was the perfect response.
Maybe she just wanted to scare her, she calculated the time in the elevator so that all the pain and horror would go to her outie, maybe she understood that she would not have time to die and the guard would save her. But it would have been a serious message for outie "don't come here anymore or you will die". But for Helly it was still suicide, because she did not want to wake up as Helly anymore.
The first time you watch it it's almost triumphant, becuase this is the only way Helly can assert any control over her situation, but on subsequent watches it becomes so harrowing.
Yeah, this is definitely a show that makes you feel completely different upon your 2nd viewing… Mr. Robot was the same way after every season.
@@teejaydee85 This show definitely scratches the same itch that Mr. Robot did.
@@nothere413I really need to watch it again. I just saw the first season and then kinda stopped
@@Isabelle-hv6ny Season 2 kind of dips near the middle, but then ends strong and season 3 is incredible the whole way through
@@nothere413 Oh amazing. If I find the time I will watch it again. Season 1 was pretty good but I watched when I was 15 so I just remember the big twist xD
I always wondered if its worth it to finish the show
I wish i could watch this show for the first time again
Me too 😞
Maybe we need to get severed..erasing the memories of watching it the first time.
I'll have myself severed, so I can get myself to watch this show like it's the first time.
Please enjoy each episode equally
These two scenes hooked me on the show. Absolutely love the creativity that was done here.
When her whole life flashes before her eyes but she only has that one memory 😭
I just realized if the elevator closed and mark woke up on the outside next to a hanging body that would’ve changed everything 🤣
That's why I thought in the moment I was watching it.
What do you mean?
@@clivemyrie4209if the elevator closed at 4:25
Aside from great acting and writing the look of this show is so amazing - the thoughtfulness of every composition. The clock behind Mark's head suggestive of the halo on paintings of saints - showing his innocence. Is it is barely visible this might be coincidence but I can't help but think it was placed there for a reason.
Wow wonderful detail. I feel like every frame has depth to it.
**Spoiler alert for end of season one**
I feel like the reason Helly’s outie is so different from her innie on a fundamental level is because Office Helly is a grown adult with a clean slate. And anyone given no indoctrination, no mind control, would be able to see how screwed up this arrangement is.
Her outie, has been raised in an environment whose success and I assume financial gain is contingent upon this system thriving.
I agree. Also, you can infer a lot about who Outie Helly is as a person; headstrong, argumentative, a good public speaker, a leader for a political movement, etc. Naturally Innie Helly will exhibit those personality traits too, in the other direction, which makes her innie and outie perspectives more polarized than those of her coworkers.
@@looney1023 Well said, I completely agree 👍
It'll be interesting if she does the same as Petey and combines her halves in season 2, like which opinion towards Lumon will win her over?
I totally agree, Helly at her core is a rebel & a skeptic who would have never chosen to be severed on her own. I have a feeling we’ll find out young Helena was very difficult for her family to control, refusing to conform to the strict life plan all Eagan children have laid out for them in a similar way to her innie. Eventually she decides to join the dynasty (maybe for inheritance, power, etc) & the only way to fully atone for her rebellious behavior is to be the first Eagan to get severed
I wonder if the Outies personalities are kind of the reverse than their respective Innie on some aspects, though. Irvin is dark and scared outside, probably has PTSD and he is haunted by nightmares he paints obsessively. Innie Irvin loves painting too, but he looks enthusiastic, charming, lighter in his tone. Mark outie is woeful, depressed and bitter while Mark innie is friendly, stable and likes jokes. We don’t know how Dylan is, but following that theory, that would mean that Helena is the opposite to Helly in many regards. When Helly is defiant, Helena would be (and is shown) compliant. Helly opposes Lumon, Helena cooperates. It’s like a mirror: the person and their reflection looks the same, but are reversed - so aren’t quite exactly the same, actually.
I love the sheer fear in mark’s face being replaced with a look of tired indifference, it’s such a brutal switch, something you’d only see in severance
And then instantly as he goes back down the next day straight into pure terror again while his Outie has 0 idea anything is going on
This show is fascinating to watch
Hereditary is the only other time I’ve seen that type of thing happen.
The slow motion at 1:35 appears to be an edit by the uploader. It doesn't do that in the show itself.
Astute observation
I just noticed something about the musical story telling. Before he enters the elevator, you can hear an eerie, lingering note played by strings. As he goes up the elevator, the note fades away, like his memories fading away from his mind.
"Seems like you're getting the HANG of stuff here" now why are we taking notes from DDLC with the hanging puns right before someone kills themselves 😭
There are many puns and foreshadowing in that series. For instance, “defiant jazz” is the song Helly picks in the episode where they dance. And Helly is defiant indeed.
At some point, Helly says to Mark that she should tell him to go to Hell, only he’s already in it. Helena is part of the family that created that Hell at the office where Mark is indeed now stuck in. And Helena’s innie has “Hell” in her name “Helly”.
Helly R
Hell y r
Hell you are
You are in Hell.
The fact that her outie knows she tried to commit suicide but still sent her back to work is crazy. They couldn't just leave a note on the car cos she was fighting for her life when the elevator opened downstairs.
Can we talk about this incredible music? 😶
The whole score is *chef’s kiss* 💋👌
Thank you Theodore Shapiro. He also did the music for Walter Mitty, Ben Stiller's movie
Exactly, it completely sells the entire scene to me. I love how Mark seems like this corporate suit to Helly, but in reality he actually really cares about her when it comes down to it. The music compliments this perfectly.
For me what’s incredibly interesting about Helly’s character is the connection between her outie and innie which makes for the contrast in their points of view. Helly’s outie being from a rich family with a powerful standing in society, makes her innie’s reaction to the going’s on really believable. She’s questioning everything, she’s rebelling, she doesn’t take the explanations given to her like the others. Her self confidence from being from a rich background is actually the catalyst for her outie’s cause.
Yes, when someone is privileged and used to always get their way in the world, they can’t just to switch to “corporate slave” mode like that.
I got chills when Mark just went back to normal in the elevator.
Her name is interesting and seems intentional. Helena which means 'shining light' or like Helen of Troy, the golden girl that two armies fought over except it's Helena of the outies vs Helly of the innies. And Helly is like Hell as in her life inside is a dark hell or she's fighting like hell or she's giving Helena hell.
5:19 Mark's expression changed so quickly 😮
Miss Casey knows she married to innie Mark
Man. I haven't seen Severance since it first came out. I forget how horrifying and emotional it is.
Seems like you’re getting the HANG of stuff here, cool 😭🤣
Lmao i didn't notice the pre-pun
Rewatching it again makes it more shocking. Graner may be an asshole but you realized he was dealing with an internal crisis with an Eagan while innie Mark has never seen or react to something like this.
SPOILER
Now I understand why the security guy is freaking out, not just because a severed employee tried to kill themselves but because this employee happens to the boss's daughter
Running a PR campaign for the “ethical” practice no less
Fantastic acting in the elevator from Adam Scott there.
The music from 1:25 onwards is gorgeous. Feels very Max Richter.
I hope this show gets a good 3-4 seasons to finish this out. I think Helly is on a path to becoming her innie full-time. I hope by the end of the show she becomes this version of herself because her outtie is a horrible person.
I Love Is Helly ❤️❤️❤️
What's the name of the music here
Soundtrack is by Theodore Shapiro
I searched it on Shazam and the track name is Done for the Night by Theodore Shapiro
I did not watch this dystopian series. Obviously she had some insight. Why didn’t she fight back and say ‘Bring me back from the dead, and I will fucking kill you all- or, at least, try for all eternity’?
she's not in hell... watch the series lol
What
If you dont watch the series then why comment on it? 😂
@@purplequeen833 because they want to
@db5094 ...okay? And I can wonder why they commented and was wondering, when they can watch the series.