Bus 1170 : Vince Li and the Greyhound Bus Murder (2011) - the fifth estate
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- A seemingly random decision, to take the Greyhound from B.C. to Winnipeg rather than a friend’s offer of a plane ticket, would cost 22-year-old Tim McLean his life and profoundly change the lives of those who witnessed his murder. On Greyhound 1170, Vincent Li, a diagnosed schizophrenic on his own randomly chosen bus journey, sat beside McLean and then, obeying voices inside his head, repeatedly stabbed and then cannibalized McLean’s body. The Fifth Estate recounts the story from the perspective of two of the surviving passengers, a truck driver who stopped to help, forensic psychiatrist Dr. Stanley Yaren, and Tim McLean's family. His father, stepmother and mother struggle to understand why the RCMP stood outside Bus 1170 for five hours, as Li cut up their son’s body, before intervening.
Originally broadcast November 2011
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Who’s here after being recommended the dude telling the story of what happened?
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Woah that's weird...
Yeah why wasn't he interviewed in this video is what I want to know..
I came her from that video
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Just to put this into perspective, this monster killed a young man, stabbed him hundreds of times, literally ate his heart and his eyes, severed his head, showing it off to and terrorizing those outside the bus with pride, and could be a free man after a year? Honestly what is even the point of a justice system
Is a free man with no record and a new name. How does that help all victims he terrorized, the family, the witnesses, sleep well at night
Are you serious?!! No, this must be some satanic demonic witch craft. HOW?! Apparently he also brought Jesus and God into this... he is not any type of Christian.
It’s unsettling knowing that man is walking around freely absolutely disgusting
@@Similo
God has commanded far worse in The Bible.
@@laprincesa9803
Yep. I live all the way down in Texas, but I'm double checking all my locks before bed for sure. Not necessarily for him, just weirdos in general.
The fact that he was released with no criminal record is getting to me. It’s literally capital murder. He’s a monster and the justice system clearly needs to be reevaluated. Rest Easy Tim 🙏🏽
how about the fact that he was released at all is beyond apprehensible and Beyond disgusting and nauseating!
Absolutely
At least keep him in a mental facility for the rest of his life due to the gruesomeness of the crime
He was released?!
It’s really sad that he picked him/chose to sit there because he was nice and friendly to him, saying hi 😭 like why do bad things happen to the nicest people?! 😔
Lee didn't choose him because he was nice, genius. He chose him out of all the people in the bus because he could
@AskWhatever what?
@@lapplandkun9273 What? He literally said that he picked him because he was friendly and said hi.
The ‘Devil’ is a Soul Collector! Good people are the ultimate Targets!
That is why. Don’t always be nice!
Someone busted with weed gets 30 years. This guy is out.
Joynal Miah Smoking weed is not an act of insanity, someone eating another person’s face and heart is in the midst of a psychotic break from reality. Aka insanity.
First off Canada has never had any law where you get 30 years for a drug charge, this isn't the States.
This kid was clearly insane, jail is pointless.
If Doctors feel he's not a threat so be it.
@@bretthughes8679 But if he goes off his meds like he did last time, he'll just do it again...
"A recent Canadian citizen..." come for the free health care, stay for the lax justice system.
@@Ainaes-Feline He can take no action, regardless. He did what he wanted, like all psychos.
He decapitated a person, ruined a reputable company and traumatized everyone that witnessed what he did. Now he’s free. Ridiculous.
Corporal Ken Barker, one of the first RCMP officer on the scene, committed suicide in 2014. He was believed to have been suffering from PTSD related to the incident. So this man not only killed and dismembered a person, but was responsible for the death of another.
What a Canadian thing to do: say "soorry" to the man for his schizophrenia and kick him out the door in less than 8 years. Put him on a bus, strap him to the seat, and send him back to China... from Canada.
Don't smoke weed, though, or you'll go to prison.
@@TH3M0L3CUL3M4N Was he born in china?
@@NorthAyase yes. He was born in Dandong, China and immigrated to Canada with his wife.
@@zagburs3867 the other thing is, you are full of poo
He looked like a really nice guy, his whole life in front of him, his poor family.
I can’t believe this guy viciously stabbed and beheaded An innocent sleeping young man on the bus, was found with his tongue nose and ears in his pockets, and is out on the streets while people are still in jail for 30 years for some weed. Vince Li, just because you changed your name to Will Baker doesn’t mean you can hide. You will get your karma.
His conscience is his karma.
The Canadian Justice System is weird. And I live here, so I see it all the time. He should still be in an insititution. What if he goes off his meds again and someone else gets hurt or dies?
@TakersSoulGirl22 not if, when, the rate or noncompliance of meds in schizophrenic people is astronomical.
If a diagnosed schizophrenic will not take their medication and then commits a violent Act, they should be responsible for what they did.
He needs to rot away. What was he even doing with a knife?
im sorry but if you were out on a regiment of antipsychotics then u would know that the truth isn't so black abd white
They should be responsible. Period. Medication or not.
@@lmd2454 well you see, that's not how it works.
@@god_cells8035 How it "works" is that this guy who is a danger to the society is a completely free man.
This is the kind of person you put down immediately
Exactly
Exactly !!! there’s no amount of mental rehabilitation that can help
I thought he would strangle the psychiatrist to death
Yes
@@GlutahhnWTF have you smoked!?
They'll put a dog down so quick for mauling someone. WHY it is not the same for people I will never understand.
How can you not understand? An animal doesn't equal the value of a human. You could only not understand if you don't believe in God because He makes it very clear that only His children have souls.
@@Mandaxx25 Keep that same energy when something like this happens to someone you know 🤦♀️
I have always said the same thing. If they can put dangerous animals to sleep, they should do the same with dangerous humans too.
Putting a dog with a human/animal after mauling someone that was raised by a human/animal doesn't make sense?
Humans collect revenue for the government, dogs do not. It's that simple.
@@Mandaxx25 If he is that insane and not taking responsibility, he is better off dead before he kills again. You wouldn’t wish the next victim to be you or your loved ones
he’s the one that decided to leave his condition untreated and how can someone do this to someone else and get released into the public.he’s a danger to himself and others.
Bit diminishing to say he left it untreated on purpose. I don't think there's a point where you start to hear a voice and say I better go get that checked out.
He was not aware of his medical situation.
this isn’t like he was pre-diabetic lmao he has schizophrenia. That completely alters your perception of reality.
Only in Canada will you be caught with the murder weapon and the victim's head in your hands and still get away with it. Mental illness or not, this man should not be placed back in the community.
That's not my point. Mental illness should not take away accountability. He should be institutionalized. Would you say the same if it was your brother or son?
the fact that you defend him is pathetic
The police _watched_ him harm the body too! SICK!
Mmala Mokone 1514
Lisa McB i have personal experience with ppl who have fooled the mb mental health professionals with lethal consequences . He should not be out in the community period .
My brother was found guilty of possession of cocaine, less than a gram, and served 10 years in a Texas prison. My brother has mental issues as well. This monster beheaded and ate a young man and gets just treatment. May Tim and his family be at peace in this world because his killer will get justice in the next.
Thats not possible considering the max sentence is only a year for possession of cocaine of that size...unless he was like on parole with 9 years over his head or had a lot of felony priors
My brother and another motorcycle rider were both ran off the road and killed. The guy that did is getting 2 years of suspended driving licenses and 200 hours of community service.
Yea killing people isnt really that bad apparently.
@@serged8136 I'm so sorry for your loss. May he rest in peace...
Yep I've seen it happen too many times there's NO REAL justice not in this world but when the Most High comes to judge the earth there WILL BE TRUE justice!
Surely there has to be a fairly long history of serious offending or he was actively under previous criminal conviction conditions to attract such a huge sentence for a minor possession charge.... Was he committing an armed robbery of a bank at the time they found the drugs? Has to be something...
i genuinely hope everyone got the therapy they needed. this would cause some serious trauma.
One of the officers unfortunately took his own life after developing PTSD from this
No amount of therapy is going to help this. I witnessed a pretty graphic murder 25 years ago and I still suffer from the nightmares and flashbacks. It comes back and grabs you when you least expect it.. The poor people on that bus will be haunted forever.
"He said he'd be famous. Never actually said what he was gonna do, but he said "one day, everyone will know who I am." And that just gave me chills. 😣😔
Everyone knows who he is now but not for the right reasons
"He ate my son's eye and 1/3 of his heart" that made my heart drop into my stomach. I feel so much sympathy for this family n for Tim.
as a mother of a 22 year old son, my god that made me sick to my stomach, I am in shock all over again because I had not heard that part until seeing this. This very reason is why we worry about our kids these days, you can be minding your own business and have someone take your life in front of everyone. What a sick society we now live in to where the so called justice system lets an animal kill another human being and walk away free.
@Cute But psycho! Man if that’s true, ( I’m going to look it up here in a sec) the government definitely had their hands on it.
and I thought Sick Sad World was a joke tv show on Daria.
@@terryg995 Man, I wish TH-cam recommendations didn't show me stuff like this. It's so depressing and makes me so mad.
@@johnorulzu I know, but you hate not knowing, so you have to check it out.
I don't know what is more disgusting the murder or the way the Canadian justice system handled this case; not even joking, it's enough to make you physically sick
The liberal canadian justice system understands that some people like Vincent li need to kiII. And in their eyes, no crime was committed here, because as a schizophrenic, it is his RIGHT to kiII people. Tim Mclean’s true crime is being born canadian. What a shamefuI country this wretched land has turned into
I completely agree with you! It's such a slap in the face to the family!
No wonder Peter Griffin is right. Canada sucks.
I bet not wanting to be "racist" was a factor in this. If the roles had been reversed Mclean would be in jail for the rest of his life.
The Canadian justice system is a joke a girl brutally beat another girl to death but only got 3 years wtf is wrong with Canada
As a non-violent schizophrenic who is unable to find a medication to control it without horrendous side effects, I just want to say that not *all* schizophrenics would do what he did. Majority of us are non-violent, just trying to live normal lives while finding medication that can help without bad side effects. He is one of the rare ones that *is* violent. He and his actions do not define the rest of us suffering from this mental illness.
This is sooo important ! The VAST majority of people with mental illness are not violent and actually are more likely to harm themselves than harm another person. Wish more people understood
Bunch of cowards on that bus. Guy literally watched him pull a knife out and start stabbing a guy and he ran away. Not even a "WAKE UP BRO WATCH OUT!!" Ridiculous
I know a retired cop and he said "the RCMP should have opened fire while he was in the bus rather than watching this monster defile that poor guy"
Or they could have shot rubber bullets.
Green Frog PB and Gaming that defeats the purpose of serving justice on this animal. Rubber bullets 😂
@@rayl1843 they should’ve gased him with mustard gas
@@lennaymaboyyy4848 or tear gas
@@rayl1843 or sarin gas
Four HOURS?! They let him mutilate that boys body for FOUR HOURS?! Id be furious of that was my baby boy too!! I cannot even begin to imagine the pain his family still endures. My heart truely goes out to them. Anyone that sick should never be released back into the public. Absolutely negligent of the system which has clearly failed.
Krystal Daniels You can thank those hippies from the sixties who felt it was barbaric to lock people up with severe mental disorders, so they closed down all those hospitals and kicked them *LITERALLY* out on the streets. They were left helpless and alone and *NOTHING* has changed one iota over the last decades.
@@Ainaes-Feline our country does need a major overhaul in the mental healthcare department. Sadly ive seen evidence of that first hand.
@@Ainaes-Feline I choose to blame the one who did it, the killer.
TheOneWith TheEyeOfTruth I answered the comment of OP ” absolutely negligent of the system which as clearly failed”. Not the whole horrible scenario on the bus. I answered differently in that one.
@@Ainaes-Feline Yeah, that's fair. You definitely have a point there.
This is by far the most traumatizing episode I’ve ever watched on the fifth estate. I can’t imagine being one of the witnesses or one of Tim’s family members. I am in tears just writing this I don’t even know what to say. 😥
In December of year 2000, at midnight, I boarded a Greyhound from Edmonton to Fort McMurray. I sat beside a guy who had a pair of scissors and pasting clippings on the back of the seat in front of him. I thought it was weird. Looked around for a vacant seat to move and couldn't find any. It was a long journey so I thought I need to inform the driver. Got up and told the driver and this guy got up and was going to follow me to the front. Then someone by the second or third row offered me a seat. We stopped in the nearest town where the driver alerted the authorities and the police boarded the bus and took this guy away. This experience still come to me to this day and wondered what would have happened if I didn't tell the driver. We can never tell what's going to happen to us until it happens. All these off chances and coincidences are just the way life goes and that we can never explain when it happens to us.
God speed my humankind. ❤️🙏🙏
Creepy!!!! Worse, you're in Canada. From what I've learned Canada lets murderers go free. Well, forget public transportation! No thanks.
The quacks and judges that allowed Li's release should be forced to have him live in their house and cook them dinner nightly
I agree. This is outrageous. He's a cannibal, so they may just end up being more than an invited guest.
That's my thought exactly. If he's so safe then they should have him babysit for them for a wkend away and then tell us that they aren't nervous
'cook them'. You said it.
Go back on the chess board in 1795
- Hey, Mr. Li: whom are we having for dinner tonight?
- The same group of people we had last night.
- No one came over for dinner last night.
- You're not comprehending what I'm saying. Eat up, Doc; your dinner's getting cold.
- Hmm? Oh, sure. Sure; of course. Hmm... interesting taste. Is this... pork?
- You could say that.
POOR GUY WAS SOUND ASLEEP AND DIDNT KNOW WHAT WAS COMING HIS WAY THIS IS SO HEARTBREAKING...😭😢
@@mateosebastiancampos7475 I HOPE NOT...THIS STUFF TERRIFIED ME FOR A FEW DAYS!😞
Exactly!!! Someone should have done something! I hope they feel guilt their whole lives!!!! Especially the guy that saw it!!!!
Depends where he was stabbed. Stabbing can be a very slow and painful way to die. But if hit a main artery or heart then can go quickly. Just depends. I do hope Tim didn't feel any pain and passed quickly or at least unconscious. Just heartbreaking and traumatizing for the people to witness such a thing.
@@rss7329 I don't no if he went that quickly though as Tim woke up to jump over the isle to try and get away from him.
If the main artery had been severed then he would have gone quickly but I'm not so sure if that happened here.
You could stab somebody 10 times or more and still miss major organs and arteries.
@@camvin575 idk but that was scary!😳
Everyone failed Tim and that is the saddest truth. May you Rest In Peace.
As difficult as this story is to comprehend, what's possibly even more difficult to comprehend is that no one on that bus tried to save that young mans life. Breaks my heart. I'd have gladly risked my life to put myself between those two. A terrible tragedy. My heart goes out to his family
Especially him being a smaller guy and he was obviously completely distracted by Tim, how NOBODY’s conscience got them to at least attempt to disarm him or kick him in the head is insane to me
The driver and another person after parking tried to enter in the bus again to save the victim but the killer again charged on them .. Source’ Wikipedia.
And if you literally put yourself between the two of them, you would end up dead and then she would’ve finished killing Tim.
Plus, it was night, a lot of people were sleeping and woken up by screams… There was a lot of confusion going on
Okay buddy easier said than done 😂
I can't believe that the cops let him defile the body for 4 hours. And I can't believe that they didn't hold him accountable for the murder. This is a travesty.
If the point was to capture him alive, so he could stand trial, and then be locked away for murder, then, I get not wanting to storm the bus - but the fact that that guy is out?? What was the point?? Might as well have shot him in the bus and save that family just a little but of heartache.
Thank you!
What’s that police need to STOP that bad guys FROM CONTINUAL any crime!!!!!
@@JL-mb9pu Your post makes no sense whatsoever
Bad Bianca - Have you seen & read ALL evidence of this WHOLE incidence ? If NOT what gives YOU the RIGHT to pass any JUDGEMENT on ANYTHING that transpired or didn't transpired ? NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO PASS JUDGEMENT WITHOUT ALL THE FACTS. BUT IN TRUE HUMAN FORM -- JUDGEMENTAL HUMANS ALL THE TIME MAKING IGNORANT UNEDUCATED, UNINFORMED OPINIONS AND STATEMENTS WITHOUT ALL THE "INFORMATION". Doing such doesn't help anyone, just creates more problems & pain.
I have experienced too many of these situations (both while working and seeing my 17 year old sisters mangle body - from a MVA to say good bye to her) to ever understand why some people chose to torture themselves with unrealistic expectations of wanting to see a mangled body.
Tim's father was able to physically say good bye to his son. Saying good bye to a body is NOT say good bye to the person and the spirit of the deceased. There are MILLIONS of people that are unable to physically to say good bye to a body, which is NO longer their loved one.(bodies never found, bodies damaged by war, ect). And all these years later Tim's Dad still needs some serious counselling to understand this. For some people it is much better to NOT see a mangled body and to be able to remember their loved one as a health person. They only remember the destroyed body that now haunts them and NOT what was their loved one.
This whole situation was a HORRIFIC NIGHTMARE and I feel for Tim's family & friends as well as all the people involved - bus passengers, the truck driver who reached out to HELP, rescued people on the bus & prevented the perp from escaping. Too many have suffered.
When I was 14 years old, I was visiting my dad in Regina, SK . I had a greyhound ticket to go back to Winnipeg, MB. If it wasn’t for my nan offering a ride for me last minute...
My fate would’ve been being on that greyhound!
As we were riding down the highway, we ended up driving past the horrific crime scene and I’ll never forget the goosebumps. Haunted me all these years, this story. My heart goes out to al those actually involved.
Wow. That's insane.
That is crazy that you could have seen this in action when you were 14. You would have never recovered.
It could have been you!!!
Bless your nan, a true guardian angel 💕
@Andy Combs get a grip, man.
Thank you for presenting this difficult story. As a former journalist, I would have had trouble recounting the events. It is hard to believe it has been more than 13 years. I remember it well when it happened. To see Tim's videos and photos of him were tough to watch.
This is absurd and absolutely infuriating to see that this murderer is walking the streets now with no criminal record and no supervision. How can any government do this to society? Totally disgusting. I truly feel so sad for the victim, his family, and the witnesses that have been traumatized by Li.
"I've never wanted to hurt someone so severely until that point." Trucker was on the edge of going into beast mode. I understand completely.
Yeah that dude seems like hes a badass. And i dont blame him one bit for saying that
@@TheJoeBeshai looks like a really nice guy too.
Yet he did nothing
Yeah that comment really hit home. So many peoples lives have been wrecked by this.
@@IFearWork dude he was standing outside the door waiting for him to come out and smash his brains out
this justice system is absolutely pathetic.
What ' justice ' ? It's anything BUT justice !
colliecandle agreed
Who cares about his beliefs. I can't even imagine seeing a cannibal on the street crazy absolutely insane.
yes you know more than the experts who diagnosed him and treated him. Nice 1.
And I thought ours was fked up.
The Canadian justice system is a joke. This nut job should have been kept in a psychiatric hospital for the rest of his days. As for the RCMP, what a bunch of losers! I recently found The Fifth Estate on YT and am horrified at how inept the police force is. Hopefully, someday Canadian citizens can make many needed changes to their country. May God rest Tim and help his parents, family, and friends heal from such a horrific end.
Props to the truck driver who got into the bus to confront the killer.
And did nothing
FOUR HOURS OF JUST SITTING THERE WATCHING HIM EAT THE MAN
Only in America...or Canada. If you're an innocent kid it's easy enough to get murdered by police!
@@AverageAmerican wrong.
@@raymondrigdon4019 you think so?
@@AverageAmerican everyone has a birth right to protect themselves. But we are not perfect and neither is our judgment. Accents will happen no matter what. But in most cases these scenarios could be avoided with communication.
@@raymondrigdon4019 You must be Canadian? I don't think your cops gun down innocent black youth like the ones in big city USA where a birthright will not protect them from bad cop's bullet. Lucky for u guys!
I feel so sad for Tim the last moments was a real horror for him, rest in peace
Ms. Alright, at least he went relatively quickly.
S. Albertsen he didn't go too quickly that man said Tim jumped over the killer and landed in the middle of the aisle. That's where that idiot finished him off. My God to think his last reaction obviously was still to survive smh
@@rouka120 stabbing is one of the slowest most agonizing deaths
@Zeljko Trifunovic We wish it for him and it may happen as he was reportedly a good soul. Or do you wonder if maybe he will torment his killer for the rest of his life? I agree that would be satisfying for us to imagine but not something I'd wish for someone with such a happy soul in life to be stuck doing. The killer will have torment enough I believe.
Heartbreaking, especially when such evil happens to someone with such an open and generous heart.
Man. That’s so sad he turned down a plane ticket, preferring to take the bus 😔 granted the killer would’ve killed no matter what, but for Tim it’s tragic that decision cost him his life. RIP Buddy.
You are honestly telling me it is possible to drop a Grizzly, a Polar Bear, a Tiger or a Lion with a tranquilizer but it is not possible to bring down a human being with a tranquilizer?
You know what's softer than a pillow? The Canadian justice system, that's what.
Also reminder Omar Khadr was given ten million by this government.
amen to that!
Try the British system then. Horrific.
@@JaeSwift Not as bad as Canada's.
@Choco This is So sad recently a similar case happened search it up noor mukhadam case her.bf had schizophrenia and just stabbed beheaded her played football with her head and recorded it this happened too close to my house only 9 days ago 😭
How disgraceful that they allowed this man to keep defiling that body.
Jessica Hubbard that’s what I said!! I mean, I’m no hero but I listened to this with my husband who I have seen get involved in quite a few dangerous situations that were risky just to protect someone being beaten or wronged in some way and I knew exactly what he was thinking-“forget that, even if the man was dead or not, I would’ve at least wrestled the knife away for crying out loud”....”Evil triumphs when good men do nothing”
Bunch of selfish cowards
...that gave him the time he needed to do the things he did for his defense.
@@GemmaJadeYT these passengers were horrified. Tell me what you would have done since you are no coward.
It was a disgrace. BIG TIME! They have tear gas. You don't have to be brave. TEAR GAS PLEASE. What's so hard about making that decision he was surrounded with men with big guns!
That monster was allowed to decapitate and mutilate this young man. For hours. Would this have been allowed if that young man was related to one of those officers. That young man was totally destroyed like nothing. This Monster is now free under a new identity because he was “mentally unstable” that is NOT justice at all. So, now the family has to live with this horrible tragedy beyond their worst nightmares. Where is the justice for Tim?
Having witnessed someone get shot on the head in front of me, these things can scar you for life. I got traumatized to the point where going out makes me feel unsafe. I can't imagine the trauma those who were inside the bus must have gone through considering how brutal this incident was.
Tried to ditch out the back window... shows he knew what he did was wrong. Had the ability to determine right and wrong. This man should not be free. Justice has not been served.
Yeah bc someone you chose to sit by and is sleeping harmlessly is a threat to your life 👌
@@johnsmith-zh1iv yeah I don't buy it
Exactly. He tried to start the bus so he could get away too then tried to escape out of a window. This guy knew he had done something wrong. He's got everyone fooled. It's just a matter of time before he kills again. If he does it here in the US you won't have to be worried about him anymore. The US cops would have boarded the bus in kevlar and told him to drop the knife and if he'd so much as blinked an eye they'd have made Swiss cheese out if him.
Your right, I feel so sorry for the family of this poor man. May God bless his soul RIP! 🙏❤😭
@Violet Heavensbee What don't we understand? Just what exactly are we missing here?
The background on the killing shows he is mentally ill, but he's still a murderer. The only special privilege Mr Li should be given is serving his sentence in a mental institution, instead of a prison. Makes no sense that somebody guilty as Mr Li walks. None! Justice not served.
Even leaving aside the justice aspect, considering the severity of his crime, I'm still unsure how anyone could say that he is no longer dangerous. particularly since he had already been diagnosed with schizophrenia prior to the incident and he had chosen not to seek treatment. there's no guaranty he will stay on the treatment now. he poses a huge risk to the community he's been placed in, at the very least.
I will never understand how This type of a sentence is arrived at. The guy is a Killer, He was sent to a mental facility for his mental problems, and OH GEE he is now ready to be ReIntroduced to Society? Let's just forget that he Killed, BeHeaded, and Ate this guy. I don't think there should be such a sentence passed down, no matter what their Mental Condition is. If he can't do his time in a Prison, Then he should be similarly encarcerated at a Mental Hospital on the NO VISIT WARD..... FOREVER! I don't think no matter How his Mind Functions after he is convicted, He shouldn't have the option of being released because SOMEONE Doesn't think he is a danger to Society any more.
Because law stupid
methosimortal what happens when he does it again All he has to say is I was hungry and god tell me eat that guy
@@7797334 Yes, basically. As someone stated above, "CANADA... OUR RETARDED BROTHER TO THE NORTH." DUMBFCKS SAT THERE & WATCHED HIM!!! 😳🤨😒
I hope that people know, Vince Li is totally free. No one checks on him, or makes sure he continues to take his medication. Everyday he walks the streets, past your sons and daughters... a free man. The justice system in this country is a complete and utter JOKE.
Step Mom: He want to be famous. He said he’d be famous.
Dad: He told us that one day he would be famous.
Step Mom: Yup, He never actually said what he was gonna do but he did say “One day everybody will know who I am.”
That’s a foreshadowing right there. Tim could have been a vlogger if that tragedy never happened.
So he was alone on the bus for five hours while he cut up his victim's body while the cops just stood around? Here in the US, two cops would have shot him 17 times in less than 30 seconds. And for once I'd be like yeah that's understandable.
According to them Tim was long gone to be save so what they tried to do is save this animal life sad but it how it was in Canada
@@eveelee4152 trust me I’m 1,000% sure American police still would have overkilled him
I don't understand why they allowed him mutilate him. Everyone was safely off the bus. Throw pepper spray grenades into the rectangular bus that they obviously were guarding preservation of life of the person who is allowed to mutilate, dismember, eat with a live audience is just heinous beyond belief
@@sharyng261 Excellent idea Sharyn I think it'd be a go on the pepper weapons.
Canada, gives what people wants. No shooting people. Wish it were the U.S
The good Doctor should let Vincent Li live with him if he thinks he is so safe. I honestly think the physiatrist's
need more mental help than their patients.
Yes! Brilliant!
100% mate. He makes me sick.. we don't need to care about Vincent Li's illness and understand what the poor soul is going through.. he took one life that night and ruined the lives of many others. Why should we care? Rabid dogs get put down, and after what Vincent Li did, it would be a bloody mercy for him. Maybe the doctor should get behind that! He's sick, maybe his suffering can end, while ensuring he will take no more lives.
Absolutely. Don't you just love it when these guys give their ' expert' opinion, knowing they won't pay for ANYTHING that happens afterwards. If it would be them 100% who would pay if they were wrong, guess how many perps would walk free ?
Full agreement
Yes 👍
I can't even imagine what Tim's family have been through. My heart goes to them....I pray with all my heart that God allow them to find peace and healing after that horrible tragedy.
The same for those passengers whose lives were so profoundly affected by this horrible event.
So sad!!
I've never ridden a Greyhound Bus after hearing about this incident and how poorly everyone involved did nothing to help Tim or the passengers on that bus.
i know you are guy but still Please be safe !
I know if Tim was alive he’d a be a TH-camr, documenting his travels. Rest In Peace, Tim. Taken too soon
Yeah he does vlogging even before it's a thing!!
I would have watched and subscribed
Yeah man....poor guy. He was an OG vlogger.
Idk... 23 with only 20 bucks to his name ... his death was sad, he seemed nice , but he didn't seem remarkable . However he did say he'd be famous 🤷♀️....
@@Escape628 That’s really pessimistic. He was 23, who cares if he had 20 bucks. He was young, and enjoying life. I doubt he had a family to take care of. He was traveling the country and living a more exciting life than I’m sure you are
I'm really glad they focused so much on Tim. too often these types of shows and documentaries focus on or idolize the killer and not the victim and the people they hurt. rest easy Tim 💔
Tim had 2 choices... finish the carnival season and stay in BC or quit his job and travel from Edmonton to winnipeg to plan his move to BC...!! Anybody with logic and 3 digit IQ can figure out there is a lot more to this charade of painting an ecstasy dealing carni a saint!! Why did he refuse his friends airplane ticket?? Simple its alot safer to travel on a bus with drugs!
@@ryanscott2548 what was the point of this comment? Are you saying that Tim deserved to be murdered, beheaded, and cannibalized because he sold ecstasy?
and yet the title is of the killer, smh
@@nolan9101 far from...if you believe in demonic possession....then there's alot more to this story....My guess his mother found out and cut contact with the dad as well as won't leave him see his grandson
@@ryanscott2548 oh so you’re just crazy
By the way, Chris...you're a hero. I know what PTSD is like, pal. I know you're life has been screwed up because of what you saw...but crazy is crazy and that's why it's so disturbing. Don't let it wreck you...you SAVED LIVES of those who got out of there in time by keeping that creeper locked in the bus. If you hadn't have stopped, it would've been much worse. There was a reason you were there, don't ever doubt it!
cowards ....not one man attempt to stop this man...even the police were cowards...
My heart goes out to Tim's mother. I lost my only son when he was just 21, fourty years ago, and still can't stop missing him. What happened to her son leaves me without words to express what her pain must be like, compared to mine, even though my pain is so real and will last forever, it can't compare with what she has to live with for the rest of her totally broken life.
I am so very sorry for your loss - and pain. 🌹
@@surlygirly1926 Thank you for your compassion. It's very heartwarming.
Pat Cavanaugh OH hon I'm so so sorry.. My heart goes out to you beautiful...❤️❤️
R.I.P to your son ! ❤️
You made this comment three months ago, but I hope you're doing well and found a way to continue forward with your life and happiness. Good thoughts your way
"God told me to kill him" meanwhile, decides kills the one person that was literally sleeping, minding his own business and was the least threatening to anyone
and gave him a friendly acknowledgment. Tim was literally the only person on the bus that was nice to him and guy decided to do those horrific things to him. He deserves to rot in prison.
@@TheJoeBeshai well, that's exactly what schizophrenia often does, it does not let you trust the nicest people because you think that it's fake and with malicious intent, my mother also went somewhat into that direction (of schizophrenia, not beheading someone on a bus) and then killed herself exactly a year ago on December 21st, she didn't want to be remembered as crazy.
@BotanistRM Parkinson where did you get religion from? I’m a schizophrenic and it has nothing got to do with god , it’s a delusion which will make you believe in something no matter what evidence is shown, religion wasn’t the reason of this , untreated mental sick ness was
Literally said because god said so but did he say to behead him? did he say to eat his eyes? When you feel "threatened" by someone you don't do these things wtf.
@Miss Manawaka yeah I think many people in the comments seem to not realise or conveniently forget this. At the same time he should definitely have had a minimum time (maybe 10-15yrs) spent in a high security mental facility and not reviewed every year. Sad situation all round. And unfortunately this case will no doubt propagate the false idea that schizophrenics are inherintally dangerous to others when not taking meds-most are a danger to themselves rather than others if they are a danger
It’s sad that nobody else on the bus even attempted to do anything to a small man with a knife completely fixated on one person, two guys could have pinned him quite easy while he was obviously distracted and Tim would likely be alive today
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The body tim omg
He would've definitely become famous on TH-cam. He started doing vlogs before it was even a thing on TH-cam.
Jesus Christ when I clicked on this I could have never imagined..im a huge true crime fan but this actually put my stomach in knots and made me cry...so incredibly heavy and unjust for Tim
Antisocial Socialite I feel exactly the same- this was utterly horrifying. Poor Tim, I obviously don’t know him but he seemed like a good dude, RIP ❤️
I am also a huge true crime fan. I live in Canada and heard about this story-but I couldn't even watch this. I have a 22 yr old son as well and I think I would die if something like this ever happened. I heard that this monster is out. They gave him a new name and he lives somewhere in Canada. They didn't even deport him back to China. I guess his right to privacy is more important than the lives of Canadians. He is sick but the person(s) who made this decision to let him out, completely unsupervised, is even sicker.
He chose to kill Tim bcoz the guy smiled and said hello to him.... How evil! 😠
@Fist Finger yep...
Of course
Tim looked physically smaller than him & wouldn't be able to fight back
He just wanted any reason to kill the guy . Sad honestly
Sold his laptop for 60 bucks, he knew he was gunna kill someone
My heart goest out to the people that saw that horror and to Tim’s family 💔
I can't imagine the pain his parents are going through, but I can understand the anger and frustration that descends upon a family after losing a loved one without ever really getting the answers you need. It's horrible.
R.I.P Tim💕
When the girl said she could hear Tim’s screams as he was being stabbed and the fact that he had managed to get up and passed his attacker but collapsed in the aisle of the bus just made me shudder thinking of the horror he endured in those last moments of his short life. And like Tim’s mother, I’m so angry that that left the killer on the bus for HOURS to abuse that poor mans body in the most disgusting way. The poor parents minds must never be at peace.
I'm not quite sure how any parent could handle their child being the victim of something so horrific like that 🤦♀️
Lee spent very little time In jail as well its sick he can do that and then walk free to live life he should have got the book thrown at him and life in prison not a measly 7 years
When something like that happens to your kid you have no choice but to handle it. My son was viciously stabbed to death last year and it has been a nightmare to say the least.
@@banjiegirl2001
I'm so sorry!! My friend's daughter was brutally stabbed to death last year and I know what it has done to her.
I know you don't really have a choice but I truly give you credit just for getting out of bed because I don't know that I would have the strength to even do that.
@@merncat75 there have been many times I haven't gotten out of bed and feel like I've gone crazy sometimes.
@@banjiegirl2001 I’m so sorry for your lost, I’m sure he’s resting in peace and is happy! you guys will definitely meet again
This is hands down one of the most disturbing and chilling cases ever
They waited him out when they should have shot him. WTF were they thinking. That poor family that lost their son in the most horrific way. This man should not be set free, he needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. Everyone in law enforcement that let this go on, I’m sorry but I have no sympathy for them. What if that was their child on that bus would they have let this go on for that many hrs. I am so terribly sorry to the McLain family for all you have been through. RIP Tim, a life taken way to soon.
The most important thing is said very early in this documentary: he was diagnosed with schizophrenia but didn't get treatment. The majority of people with this diagnose don't kill people and can live a somewhat normal life. This guy never even tried and let his condition get worse, much worse, THIS is his crime in my opinion. This fact should've been considered when sentencing him, in Canada he could've easily have gotten treatment but he didn't. If he had ever tried I could understand the sentence or better, his non-sentence but he criminally neglected the fact that he could be a danger to others.
FillyNilly the person I know who went off his meds.....killed his family...and terrified two states as he kidnapped his nephew and drew cross country......in a brief moment he felt something was wrong and walked into a hospital. Even more weird for years telling a lie that’s his uncle kidnapped him as a child...in which he did to his nephew. I call these moments death eddies....
@@odar9729 wtf is even the last part of that sentence.
Some people with severe schizophrenia are not aware that they are sick.
@@LtUnreal how can someone with severe schizophrenia not know something is wrong?
@@DoveLady because they believe their reality is the truth. I don't see what's so hard to understand
my god canadian legal system seriously needs attention...
Canada and the west coast of America practically want to destroy any form of law enforcement. Brain washed stoner hippies want the world to be a free for all at this cost
Leftist need to be voted out of office
The canadian legal system has always horrified me. Anyone that does a horrific crime gets barely anytime and the govt pays to change their name etc. Karla homolka is another travesty and these are just a couple.
Keep voting for socialist morons and it will never be fixed.
he ate his eyeballs and part of his heart in front of everyone. he removed his lungs and intestines, showing it off out the window.
now this man is walking around free. he first put in a half-way house, then released in 2017. its f!cking disgusting.
This monster being free is a slap in the face to the memory of Tim McClean and his lovely mother who has to bare the knowledge of what happened to her baby. And all the people who had to witness the disgusting events unfold in front of them. The life long emotional distress that they will undoubtedly face is heart breaking to even think about. Praying for everyone affected, even the viewers watching this. It's hard to take in from any outlet
He is absolutely criminally resonsible. He knew he had a disease and ignored it instead of treating it. That’s his responsibility!
That nut needs to be kept in a secure facility
Right. With meds schizophrenia is controllable. How is he not responsible if he did not take his meds? Idiotic.
@@addie_is_me well yes it is controllable but he was not being treated for it and now is being treated for it and his schizophrenia is under control so therefore he is safe to be let back into society.
@@dashiellsantelmann8645 What about when he forgets, refuses or even faking that he has taken his tablets? Then what?
The government should be held accountable if this ever happens again.
@cat Stapleton no one can determine if a person reacted in his right mind or out of it. What's more important is this person has proven he is capable of committing the worse crime imaginable and one time is never enough for a killer. I would consider the fact that he was choosing suicide by cop. He decided he had no future, didn't want to live, and a person that don't want live and to much of a coward to kill himself this was the perfect thing for him. I listen to what he said and it didn't sound as though he was guided by voices. He was to determined for a death sentence. How stupid can a psychologist be. Does Canada even care of its victims? No one is asking for them to go against what they feel is right but to show society that we are with you, more than a killer. This is crazy to even think about saying he will be released. I suppose now man can determine if and when a killer will strike again. Have they took into consideration why some killers come to Canada in the first place . It is known back in the 18th century's criminals knew where the border was before Canada's law enforcement knew it's borders Every criminal seems to know where they should go to get away with a crime. It hasn't stopped yet. I use to be angry when killers head to the Mexican border only to get away with a crime, at least some things have changed as far as them getting away with heading to the Mexico borders. I don't know but have they thought about when to release him? One thing I do know is every criminal is high fiving, go for Canada it's the place to be. The whole outcome was unheard of.
That “doctor” has one of the most punchable faces I’ve ever seen. Why would anyone with a soul stand up for such a monster? RIP Tim, you deserved better. You deserved to live.
job is money and food he had to do
It's his job. He most likely doesnt Morally agree
How you doing?
@@spidertyler that’s bullshit and anyone with character would step down before defending a monster like this
@@user-rw6ui5nv5i No someone with empathy would put themselves in the place of the family of the victim of the innocent man that was murdered, decapitated, and cannibalized. Not the monster that did it.
There is no justice for the victim until Vincent Li is held responsible for this horrific crime. There is no justifiable excuses for his act.
What a shame he didn't get the death penalty
What really got me was that his family expected him for dinner and his father picked up his sons favorite meal.
poor kid :( it's so heartbreaking that the devil himself was sitting right next to him as he lay asleep. may he rest with angels. poor sweetheart.
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I am beyond disgusted with how the Canadian Justice System handled this case. He's like out now supposedly, but what about everybody who was forced to watch? Parents lost custody of children due to improper care, people have committed suicide, people have needed extensive therapy, people have felt the need to relocate entirely, and why!? ALL because of the trauma and documented vicious PTSD that this monster inflicted on everybody on that bus.
The fact that the dude did absolutely nothing to provoke him is the most terrifying part. Imagine just trying to sleep on a bus and then all the sudden you're getting brutally stabbed to death for no reason other than you sat next to a depraved maniac without even knowing it.
That’s the hardest part for me to grasp as well.
👮🏽♂️ : why u killed somebody?
👿 : god told me to do so
👮🏽♂️ : ight, ur free to go
Bro not funny
I don't think it was meant to be funny.. It's just true..
pretty much
God told him to kill himself too
Why did he disobey?
He knew right from wrong and should've never been released into society.
After only what? 7 or 8 years, he's a free man with no criminal record? That needs to be changed. And since he has no criminal records now, was never on trial for his actions soDouble Jeopardy doesn't apply and he should be tried, convicted and executed.
That was not the voice of God when he did that
If he does the same thing to a son or daughter of a judge, I wonder if things will change
MatMat. Absolutely things would change in a hurry. That's the same thing about gun laws in the US. I guarantee you when the wife or daughter or son of lawmakers are being killed that's when things will start to change!
This is beyond crazy...to think this man wasn't charged and sent to prison is sickening.smh wtf is wrong with the justice system
I hope Tim's family sues everyone possible and takes it to the Supreme Court if they have to....temporary insanity is something that becomes a plea that's a cop out. Prayers to Tim's family, and every person that was on Bus 1170 that night. 🙏✝️♥️🇺🇸
What exactly will suing people accomplish? It won't bring Tim back to life
The truck driver is a really good man. He was thrown into the mayhem and you can see his heartbreak in his eyes.
Lynn Purcell - unfortunately he didn't have the right look in his eyes, there was no point for him to get on the bus armed with some form of defense and he did nothing!
Gentlemans Cut well lets see what you do when a crazy guy that just viciously murdered someone is coming towards you with a knife and holding the guy's head...plus the guy did the right thing by locking him in the bus so he couldn't escape
He did more than the worthless responding officers.
Sono Luminescence 😂😂😂
I'm speechless.......i just can't believe the cops didn't do anything for hrs, my God.
They had compassion. It was a mental illness in process.
@Dizzle At this point, Tim was already dead. There was a lot of criticism about how the police handled this while Li was desecrating the body but the way the law is structured, there was no legal authority to shoot him unless he put another person’s life in immediate danger. There’s no way a police officer would have been justified in sniping Li off, although they certainly had the ability to do it. Tim McLean was already dead and Li was clearly arrestable for that. As horrible as the mutilation and cannibalism is, that’s a relatively minor offense in the Canadian Criminal Code. The officers at the scene made the decision to wait Li out rather than make an aggressive arrest attempt where someone else may be hurt or killed, including Li. I believe they made the right choice as the incident ended without further violence however many will disagree with that. They acted within the law and that’s what they’re mandated to do. Shooting Li would amount to murder.
@Dizzle those are the u.s., this is canada
@Dizzle in the U.S. they kill unarmed black people and crazy people like this because they hold them both at the same standard. this was in canada though
@Hayden Blanchard I think you missed my point. Tim McLean was dead in less than 2 minutes. How did the cops failed? They weren't even there. Tim got stabbed at least 20 times including around 8 times in the neck in less than 30 seconds. There's nothing anyone could have done at that point. Then the driver of the bus along with one passenger and one truck driver that stopped grabbed a hammer and gave a crowbar to the passenger. They blocked the bus door so the killer couldn't go out. When the police arrived the killer was stuck inside the bus and was at that point eating body parts of Tim. I definitely agree with you that the Canadian system has it flaws and i'm not saying that i agree with all of it.
You also have to take into consideration that there was kids and people there. The cops can't just start shooting and kill the guy in front of the kids. First well it that would've been considered murder and second imagine the added trauma that the people would've faced.
Tim was dead. Half of his body was already cut up and his killer was stuck inside the bus. The reason why the police didn't shoot the killer (and that's where the Canadian system is flawed) is that they couldn't shoot him. If they shot him it would've, once again, been considered murder.
Of course i agree that if it was up to me or you i would've shot him on the spot. But in the eyes of the law and considering the situation they couldn't just do that.
The killer being released after 6 years though is totally unacceptable. WTF were they thinking
Tim mclean was my dads friend. He told me about this story not to long ago and its very sad to listen to this now and see a documentary rip :(
I live in Toronto and take public transit every day. This case still prevents me from falling asleep on the bus…
Good idea. Stay alert. And if you get a weird feeling… just get off.
The fact that they stood by and just watched him defile the man's body is horrendous and there should be some sort of overhaul with how they do things!!!!
True, they could have stopped what he's doing by at least getting on the bus and demanding he stop or be shot ... but they never even bother to do that ... 4 hrs doing nothing is crazy ... the police should be prosecuted ...
Vince li "I killed someone, I feel like I deserve to die"
Manitoba judge " vince, not only can we not kill you, you're set free"
He should have never,ever been released.
Bruhh, the dude thought canada had the death penalty lmao! Little did he know....
I'm amazed that the killer wan't awarded ten million dollars, being in Canada with Trudeau???
Pretty much... Canada, home of the pathetic and weak.
His name is Badger
That guy bounced on his wife and made it sound like he was trying to save everyone. Its also sad no two people had the courage to TRY and swing at him and/or help, just watched and bounced and stood outside for 4 hours
I know. It’s pathetic!!!
Easy for you to say when it wasn't you. Most of us would be running for our lives too.
There's nothing anyone could do?? It seems no one even TRIED to do anything. Wow, what a shame. My condolences to the young man's family.
I know it’s pathetic!
Thinking the same thing..
i love how the police just waited outside the bus for him to finish his meal... what a joke
Too polite even to interrupt a murder cannibalizing an innocent person! How pathetic, sick system!!
Here in the US if he was black they would have shot him...
@@lariwyman6273 here in canada if it were a Canadian citizen by birth the person would def have been shot!
Canadian mentality…. They prob said , “oh it’s not polite to
Interrupt this cannibals meals “ smh
guess their job is to secure the area so nobody disturb what crazy guy is doing
What a lovely likable guy Tim was. Just doing his own thing. What a tragedy.
Marshall Carwood well you can’t always do something about it. And that is that.
He was a dirty carnie
@@trapchurches555 And a Juggalo.
DjAkedamiks 'sGoatee disgusting, respect the dead
36:20 WHAT? This isn't about "perceiving" someone as a monster. Vince Li is a monster, period. What a disgusting statement to make
When a guy is stabbing someone their back is towards you, you drop an elbow to the back of his head as you jump on his back like a ninja, 30 ppl on a bus cmon.. we can do better
_If an animal attacks randomly, they get _*_PUT DOWN_*_ - So why wasn't this animal!?_ 😠🤔
Exactly This is unbelievable, what he did, and now he's free SMDH.
Niccole, this was TRULY A MONSTER 👹👿
The LAMEocRATS have to make sure 'we're civilized'....although THEY aren't!!! We can't ALWAYS be civilized especially in a situation as this! A very brutal death is warranted here!!
RIGHT!
@@harrisonfording8523 wtf are you talking about
He was observing and looking who to kill when he got on that bus. This is a mind of a serial killer period.
he waited until the lighting was poor and most people were sleeping before he decided to change where he was sitting too
@psmith yes mind of a serial killer and crazy person. The victim didn't deserve to die a such agony horrific death. Karma will catch up to the killer sooner or later
@@psims7342 Exactly, this monster knew exactly what he was doing, he wants to be executed, knowing full well, there is no capital punishment in Canada, why else would he want to become a Canadian Citizen, he is playing the Mental Health card to the maximum!!!
@@aracelihernandez6459 he was a schizophrenic, not a serial killer. A serial killer is somebody who kills more than 3 people. Get your facts right.
Plus he was supposedly diagnosed prior to this incident. Taking meds was HIS responsibility.. since he failed to do so, he is criminally responsible without a doubt. Canada got it so wrong.
SOMEONE FIND THIS MAN AND MAKE HIM PAY FOR WHAT HE DID
Agreed
Totally agree.Someone needs too
I agree. Honestly, the fact that someone hasn't done so already is surprising...
Where is he ?
@@annekoch8265 he’s living a new and free life under a new name
I've traveled in greyhound and to this day they dont check your bags. Just last week a man had a gun and started shooting in the bus. I just cant understand how the cops didnt shoot the killer. I am in disbelief of this. Now the killer is free, almost all witnesses have PTSD, the family left with no closure. The killer will kill again, and I confirm now that you just never know when and how you will die. RiP to Tim😭