The Mind Readers : The cases of Luka Magnotta & Vince Li - the fifth estate
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- Over the years at the fifth estate, we have profiled of some of Canada’s most haunting killers - we have probed their motives, their methods, their murders. Now we take you deep inside their minds - a journey with the psychiatrists who are sent into the jail cells to talk to and diagnose Canada’s most infamous accused murderers. Were they so mentally disturbed as to be “not criminally responsible” for their crimes … or was that an excuse to escape justice?
We speak to the doctors involved in two high-profile cases:
Luka Magnotta, who was convicted of first-degree murder for the 2012 Montreal killing and dismemberment of university student.
Vince Li, who beheaded a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba in 2008 but was found to be not criminally responsible for the murder because of a mental illness.
There are revealing, sometimes disturbing insights -- from the perspective of the mind readers.
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Magnotta knew exactly what he was doing, he was a narcissist and wanted attention.
Yeah, because random idiot on TH-cam who doesn't even have the wherewithal to back their opinion with evidence has more knowledge on the subject than a clinical professional who met with Magnotta dozens of times.
agreed 100% narcissist have that i dont care about anyone but myself . only i matter you are ants at my feet . theres the narcissist and theres some one with an ego . are the not the same . in alot of cases dealing with psychopaths 80% are narcissist. so there you go .
Christina I was diagnosed when I was a kid. Yeah it was pretty bad, still is, and no I did not get medicated since my legal guardian was against it, so throughout my childhood into my adult life I learned to cope and not let it define me. If you do not have PTSD (obviously you do not) what makes you so sure you can think rationally when you have an episode? PTSD episode is triggered when you are reminded of the trauma you experienced which puts your brain in survival mode: Fight or flight. When you feel like your life is in danger and there is an immediate threat you can become irrational an react without thinking. I understand schizophrenia is not comparable to PTSD, they're two polar opposites. The point I'm trynna make is if somebody is mentally sick and commits an evil act, like murder or rape, they should not be able to use their sickness to avoid consequences for their actions. People who are mentally unstable that commit these type of crimes should be locked away in a mental hospital for the rest of their life. If I murdered someone and had no self control or restraint I wouldn't want to be let out in society and run the risk of killing someone else. I'd rather be locked up and institutionalize cause at least I would have peace of mind knowing I won't kill again.
Mr Doyle: A 'clinical professional' working for the prosecution came to pretty much the same conclusion as Daenerys (the person whom use accuse of being a 'random idiot on TH-cam'). That professional did not meet with the murderer as many times as the one working for the defense did, but I' hope you would agree that it would be silly to decide which conflicting expert opinion is superior based solely on the amount of visits each professional made to the subject.
Christina said: " i was raised by psychopaths so try and top that one"
I hate to break it to you, but that does not make you an expert on psychopaths. In fact, it makes you more likely to be spouting lunacy.
"I mean as i said Luka couldn't even put a sentence together of coherent thoughts when i met him."
If that's the criteria for psychopathy then 99.999% of everyone who uses the internet is a psychopath.
"and voices just as Luka did."
Don't get me started on the voices! Don't even get me started! But you already did, so here goes... Why is it that if the voices are outside of your head you're guilty, but if the voices are inside your head you are innocent? Why do these schitzoid killers need 'voices' to tell them to kill, anyway? If a 'voice' has to coax and convince a sicko to kill someone, that means the sicko has decided to do what the voice is telling him to do. He is rational enough to carry out the directions of the voice, usually quite meticulously, but not rational enough to decide that hey maybe I'm crazy if I'm hearing voices, and maybe I shouldn't do what the voices are telling me to do? Almost always, the schitzo decides the voices are god, which means he must think he's pretty important if he's god's pet project. Now we're back to narcissism.
Obviously I'm one of the few people who think schitzos are responsible for their crimes. Has it ever occurred to them that they've never heard or read any news reports of schitzos following the commands of their voices and everything turning out great? Oh I know, that's too rational for them. They follow their voices' instructions rationally to a T, but they can't think rationally on their own, of course. Why? Because they're actually possessed by the devil. I am being sarcastic. What I am saying is that the way the psychiatric community view schitzophrenia is a holdover from when schitzos were thought to be possessed. That is the sole reason they are not considered to be responsible for their actions, EVEN THOUGH if they were really possessed the entity would just take control of their bodies, it would not need to cajole them with 'voices' into doing their bidding...
I don't care if someone is mentally ill or not. If you murder someone you should automatically lose the right to walk the streets freely. I would never trust someone like that to not kill again. It's a well known fact that patients often will stop taking their medications. Some medicatons can also lose their effectiveness after awhile, so they have to be constantly monitered. These men murdered people in gruesome ways. How can anyone with a brain think they're safe to be out on the street?
You are not expected to understand unless you see it and are in it first hand.
eggnog9090 Imagine you - I’m talking about you, living your whole life up to now and then for a matter of five minutes your mind gets taken over by something or someone else. You do something resulting in another person dying and then you snap out of whatever it was that caused you to feel that way, and you’re back to your normal self. Do you feel that you should be in jail for the rest of your life when you’re a good person at heart who just needs the right medication to let never can happen again?
shut up idiot, if they're mentally ill then it's not murder is it. ffs.
eggnog 9090 - Agreed. IT's like a dog with rabies. They need to be put down.
Kummakummakummakummakummachameleon very closed minded
Anyone here after watching Don’t F**k With Cats on Netflix?
Katie Ashley wow.. you’re hilarious 🤦🏻♂️
Yup i cant belive what he did the the KITTENS DOG AND PERSON :( RIP
That documentary gripped me so hard, I am not easily shocked these days at all, but that program had me utterly shook and connected.
The problem with such vile human beings is that society wants justice/revenge so badly, that it is willing to forget that there are mentally ill people and because crimes can be so horrific they throw their moral compass out the window. Was Luka Magnotta mentally insane? I don't know, I'm not a specialist in that field and have never me the bloke.
If I was a betting man, I would put all my money on Luka being 100% psychotic and schizophrenic, he was very focused on what he was doing, and appeared to be self adoring at a very high level, but that doesn't mean he isnt mentally fu**ed.
Just a horrible horrible case.
Me
Livesey Lifts yes
If someone does what he did, they need to be locked up anyway - sane or insane..
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Just not sent to jail.. you're still sentenced th like 25 to life in a mental facility
@@eccentrex9625 Yes - maximum high security mental asylum for the criminally insane.
In your opinion, does prison exist to help people change and become a better person if possible or just for punishment regardless of who they are? Think about it... A person with mental illness can change and could be a person of no risk to anyone if treated correctly... Now, as far as I know, the US as an example, as there is a guy from Texas in this comment section, has a very high number of re-offenders (more than Europe for example). This, in part, is due to the fact that prisons (in the USA) have lost their purpose of rehabilitating a prisoner and is becoming more a place of punishment. In order for a troubled person to become better, he needs support and not hate. Hate and neglect causes a lot of troubled people to spiral and re-offend. However, in Europe (Germany, Sweeden, Finnland as eg) most convicted criminals do not re-offend as the system is built for rehabilitation... Ask yourself this. Do I want a society where people become better and most likely won't re-offend, after committing a crime, or do I want to punish a person as harsh as possible, which has a good chance of making a re-offender?
@@foreignproductions Prison exists for a 3rd reason that you didn't include: It exists to keep the public safe from criminals. If the judge and jury think the person can eventually be helped and released back into society, that is considered in the sentencing. I don't think it's about punishment considering that their basic needs are provided without having to work - not like they're in a chain gang digging ditches.
Consider these recidivism statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics:
About two-thirds (67.8%) of released prisoners were arrested for a new crime within 3 years, and three-quarters (76.6%) were arrested within 5 years.
Within 5 years of release, 82.1% of property offenders were arrested for a new crime, compared to 76.9% of drug offenders, 73.6% of public order offenders, and 71.3% of violent offenders.
More than a third (36.8%) of all prisoners who were arrested within 5 years of release were arrested within the first 6 months after release, with more than half (56.7%) arrested by the end of the first year.
Two in five (42.3%) released prisoners were either not arrested or arrested once in the 5 years after their release.
A sixth (16.1%) of released prisoners were responsible for almost half (48.4%) of the nearly 1.2 million arrests that occurred in the 5-year follow-up period.
An estimated 10.9% of released prisoners were arrested in a state other than the one that released them during the 5-year follow-up period.
Within 5 years of release, 84.1% of inmates who were age 24 or younger at release were arrested, compared to 78.6% of inmates ages 25 to 39 and 69.2% of those age 40 or older.
I would be very interested to learn what they're doing to rehabilitate criminals in Europe and their success rates based on different types of crimes. I can see how something like making someone pay back 2, 3, or 4 times the amount they stole might get someone to reconsider stealing (but you wouldn't need prison for that).
What would you do to rehabilitate a rapist? Sure, they may do well in prison where there's no opportunity (and many a parole board in the past have made that mistake), but it just means more victims once let out. How do you rehabilitate a serial killer?
So Li is living his great life while a family lost a loved one? WTF?
He's at the tittybar enjoying a beer lol crazy
yeah ironic isn't it ❗🙂
Just wow!!! Mr. Li decapitated a sleeping victim, carried his head around the bus. After 4 years he's out in society.. Let's all pray he continues to take his medication...
alisezalise Guess we'll need prayer since the authorities won't protect us.
alisezalise 🙏 he should be in a hospital!!!
He ate some of the body parts and had the ears in his pocket. I wonder if the doctor would say he's a "good person" if it happened to his kid. Idiots!
But guise... he's like really nice to the doctor, so all that decapitation stuff, it's not important.
+835Jamie
"guys"...
yeah, pretty sad to hear him talk about how nice Li is... even if true today, that is not something that should be said out loud.
How disrespectful for the family!
Are you kidding me ?! Magnotta friggn made advertisements for the murder and uploading the video before he even did anything. He wanted to see how many ppl would be interested and then did the crime, recorded it, edited the video and uploaded it. Then disposed of the evidence, the body, and fled, knowing what he did was wrong and avoided getting caught. So if I decide to murder someone, rub some cigarette ashes in my eyebrows and put on a few T-shirt’s then I can get away with it and found not criminally responsible?! Come on.
And Li is currently out in society with a now wiped clean record, set up in an apartment a bottle of meds and a new name, William Li Baker (something like that). The poor families of the victims Smh I couldn’t imagine someone doing this to my baby and then getting away with it and no one being held responsible for my child’s brutal slaying for NO reason. I won’t be surprised when he murders again claiming voices or god told him to do it. Smh. The justice system is insane! Yet there are inmates doing 10+ years for some weed that’s now legal! But people like this are waking free. He’s a very nice man and pleasant to be around? He friggn butchered a man, hacked him into pieces, ate his eyeballs, skin and his heart, and put poor Tim’s nose, ears and other body parts in his pocket to eat later! Yeah so pleasant to be around. Disgusting world we live in.
glad someone like you has the guts to say this its a shame isnt it?i bet if it happened in america the criminal would have been killed by another inmate or by the family...
Wow. You spoke so much truth🙌🏻 It's truly sad and horrifying what is happening nowadays 😣😣
AMEN to that
@breakfasttelevision4261
I’ll name a few for now who’s serving life , Kevin O’Brien Allen now serving life-without-parole sentences after He sold $20 in marijuana to a childhood friend in Louisiana. The Mississippi Court of Appeals just upheld a life sentence in 2019 for 38-year-old Allen Russell for being in possession of about one and a half ounces of the drug. There is also John Knock who was just recently pardoned by Trump in 2021 but he was serving 2 life sentences plus 20 years for weed. Michael Pelletier who is a wheel chair paraplegic and only had enough weed in him to smoke and ride him of his pain yet he was sentenced life. There is Ismael Lara, who also got a life sentence for weed and served 14 years until trump pardoned him . Same story with another man Ferrel Scott, who got life as well but served 8 years until he was recently pardoned after years of trying and being denied by Obama administration. Corbin Cooper, also in Louisiana is serving life over marijuana possession in 2013, he too remains behind bars.
I am disgusted at the psychologist's opinion on Luka. Interesting how they
didn't go into him killing kittens multiple times, among his other insanely cruel videos.
Are you aware that Scotland Yard investigated the 3 kitten videos.. and concluded that Luka is NOT the kitten killer? That is why the kitten videos were never mentioned in the trial. Animal rights activists were furious about that. I don't blame them, because the guilty parties are still out there, and have continued to kill kittens. They posted one picture of a refrigerator so filled with dead kittens that the door could barely contain them all. There had to be dozens if not hundreds of dead kittens there.. and that happened AFTER Luka was in custody.
muito linda samantha rsrs
John Roy
You do realise that there are several people out there that kill kittens for fun, not just Luka, not just 1 person, Luka had cats of his own *HAD* , in a global trial where he committed first degree murder and how he performed the disgusting necrophilic acts, dead kittens have almost no weigh in compared to a person which is very sad, that's why they weren't mentioned on TV, however make no mistake he killed his kittens and they suffered too, don't try and make him more innocent, those other kitten videos were most likely committed by a third party, but Luka did torture his cats on video you can find them online under his name on Google.
ink of actual killing of luka in action goregrish.com/video/63/luka-magnotta-ice-pick-murder
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Samantha Marie I hate that cruelty to animals seems to be overlooked in these cases. Cruelty to animals usually leads to cruelty to humans. I actually feel more sorry for the animals than humans as they're defenceless. I'm really starting to hate humans.
The voice in my head tells me to help old people cross the road, not to kill random people.
To be honest, yeah people have extreme mental problems
But still I think they should not be let back into the society
The Greater Good
Consider yourself very lucky
"Vince Lee is incredibly low risk of reoffending with appropriate medication" ...so I'm wondering if this psychiatrist will let Lee babysit his kids.
Ok. A majority of murder aren't ill. So, maybe we should bring more "valid" people in jail just in case?
He already refused medication..... that’s how Li ended up as sick as he was.
How many times do they release prisoners because they think they pose no threat only for them to kill again.
@@matthewrogers9750 Roughly 0.6% of people released NCR re-offend. All prisoners, in general, are much higher although I'm not sure of the exact percentage.
1000000000% TRUE!!
It's laughable how you can be considered "low risk" even though you've chopped the head off an innocent stranger in front of people on a bus. It's just insane, ironically.
It absolutely is ironically insane
@@withgoddess8029 ironically and insane, yeah
you have no understanding of this case. it’s sad, really. prejudice and headlines are what you base your opinion on. Vince Li is innocent. Just like Tim McLean, Vince Li is a victim. Perhaps to a lesser extent, but a victim all the same. Read up on Mens Rea and criminal responsibility.
@@kidcuh. no
@@kidcuh. dude chopped someone head and for u he is innocent ? I mean ok he has a mental illness but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be incarcerated
Luka reminds me of Onision...
Thats who he looks like!!
I can see it!!! more ways than one!
I was thinking this the whole time I was watching it!
Reminds me of Andrew Cunanan
November Rain I was thinking this too
Ted Bundy was "pleasant" in court.
jezebel 4444 except when he was screaming and swearing at everyone trying to be his own attorney
@Sandy Lee I think the medical term is "nut jobs".
Ted Bundy was a master con-artist. Luka spent the entire trial looking very sad, crying, and was so doped up on medications that he was forced to take that his weight went from 130 pounds at 5'11 to over 200 pounds in just one year, and his skin turned from peachy pink to GREEN (not kidding).
Who gave this doctor his license?!??!!?!
his ball sacs
Trump does
I wonder if Luka killed some one of the "doctor"'s family, if he would say Luka wasnt responsible
Umm that doctor seems like he’s got a lil crush on Luke tbh 😂😑🤮🤮
Rora Sparkles M K I don’t think so... Defending someone doesn’t mean having a crush for this person lol Mr. Watts was just doing his job and he explained things like they really are! Someone finally defended Luka! Dr. Watts was 1000% right. Wish that more people would be open minded and less judgmental like Dr. Watts!
Belieber 16 are you kidding 🤦🏻♀️ he Murdered an innocent man and multiple cats for attention. You would have a different opinion if it was one of your family members murdered by him
@@lillyhosie2983 exactly
@@lillyhosie2983 honestly I would have a much different opinion if he nurdered a family member, but I would have to put emotional ties to the killer of my family member and more on the brain of the human and why he is this way. Id say he's mentally insane, now I'm not sure how challenged he is and if he would have been able to come back from it with proper treatment or if he was just too far gone.
Seems like young Belieber 16 is the one with the crush
Luka is rightfully in jail and Vince should still be in jail...WTF.
WAS NOT CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE? That Dr. is a joke
Agreed, he looks like he has many dark skeletons as well.
Mhhm, makes me wonder exactly how "comfortable" they actually were with eachother..
@@tiggy2timez exactly like wth
It's Canada. I'm surprised he's even locked up.
Exactly
I don’t care.. he should have gotten jail time for killing that poor boy on the bus. The legal system is so messed up.
It is
Death sentence
He will do it again!! Crazy he is out.. everybody that's around him should know what he did the rest of his life.. like a sex offender. . But lives anonymous! so crazy
I'd like to meet that guy who behead the innocent passenger on the bus lawyers. Suge knight could use his number. He stabbed and beheaded the innocent passenger and in his deposition admitted that he knew what he did was wrong and killed a person! That should tell the jury, the judge, and the prosecutor that he was well conscious of what he did and was doing at the time of his actions. No insanity just cold blooded thrill. The killer on the bus should not be walking around free. He killed before, he could kill again. WTF Canada!?!?
Why does Luka almost giving off the same vibe as Onision does
Yessss!!! Exactly
Hey you're right I never thought of that.
Yes!!!!!
Narcisism is strong
I thought I was the only who noticed that
that's a really bad psychiatrist!
i wonder if tyler perry character in acrimony would be considered rehabiltative?did you see that movie>?with taraji henson>?>bpd is her dx
@Olli Rolli are you speaking to me or phenurb?
If someone doesn't realise they are committing dangerous acts, that is all the more reason to lock them up. Your feelings should not be a factor.
Fear was not a factor for you.-joe rogan memes
Exactly😘
Slothy loolllll
DaViEbh0Y cLanDoNaLD sometimes it is concidered relevant in certain cases of passion. Those of which the feelings count. Or over whelmed killers who were abused and finally kill their abusive spouse in a heat of overwhelming feelings like hate and ptsd and whatever other emotions playing the role at the time of the crime.
He will be locked up in the mental health facility. They’ll make him take drugs, he won’t be legally able to refuse. He won’t be allowed to leave untill the doctors say he is fine= it’s could take a decade if he’s really that mentally unwell. He will have nicer surroundings but the other inmates will be very confronting and unhinged, a pool of madness if you will.
So let Vince Li live next door to the psychiatrists ?
Agree.
And live with him in the same house would be great.
Maybe better yet he should be housed with the judge.
THERE YOU GO??
or sleep in same bed
Exactly.
The psychiatrist himself needs a psychiatrist, especially for 'falling in love' with a gruesome criminal client.
True
I didn’t know much about this case but I also got that vibe from the psychiatrist (in the first case not the second).
Might have something to do with them playing for the same team.
@@hoserbike absolutely!!
haha nice1 thought the exact same thing.
My God. This professional was gullible enough to fall for the Manny thing?
"Low risk" Sure. He's only killed someone, no big deal.
It’s crazy isn’t it
Well, people like Trump is directly responsable of more deaths that this guy.. is he considered "high risk?" Or maybe he just became president of 'merica? Yep, dangerous people aren't a big deal. ;)
so this is why many soldierd from the usa can't find a job afther they come back from war.
@@IronZio there are more than one type of "dangerous".
Let’s be happy that he only killed 1 person, he isn’t Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer so stay calm lol, Luka isn’t dangerous
Dr. Watts sounds like he was a bit enamored with Magnotta.
Of course he was, he got into his field because he was interested in the subject, and the more time he spends with his patients, the more he's going to feel like he understands them.
Miss Understood yeh I noticed that to
Miss Understood yea he clearly was one of Luka' s fans (Probably the ONLY one) who only worked the case because it was high profile. There's NO way Luka should EVER be considered for parole. He wanted attention, I'm sure the lifers are giving him ALL the attention he wants now... people are so sick in this world...
Reminds me of the Psycho Doctor Jonathan Crane (Cillian Murphy) on Batman Begins.
The doctor was either blowing the killer or was getting blown he wanted to keep seeing him that’s why
I always wonder the same thing when it comes to this issue. Would the doctors and jurors feel the same way if either of these guys lived or moved in next door to them?
Or more importantly if it was their child that was murdered
"i dont wanna be filmed im just watching my show"
* adjusts camera and self *
Lily Leornin sad sad little fruitloop
there wasnt even anyone filming him it was a hoax he was by himself i bet
Michael Batule I know that was the joke
Nothing boils my blood more than hearing about someone’s life being taken away no longer here on Earth while the killer/murderer gets to live life FREE without any Care as if they’ve done nothing wrong. Talk about karma. There’s no justice here. We are doomed as humans 🤦🏽♀️ evil will always win
Not true at all… If he doesn’t get Karma in this life time he will in the next one… He most likely will suffer 💯
@@RomanRevenge101his karma should be a 4x6 cell for the remainder of his days. Don't rely on hocus pokus afterlife for justice. He should never have the opportunities that his victims never got
Is Li banned off Greyhound? If he isn't criminally responsible, then he shouldn't be banned. I am nauseous to think he's been set free. He should have to serve time once he's been deemed "cured". I don't care how "nice" he is. Who is checking every day that he's taking his meds??? I feel so badly for the McLean family.
can you imagine a young person sitting next to this monster on a bus? could be anyone's brother or child....
Berly I couldn't imagine the creep factor that would set in once someone on the bus recognized him. I'm surprised he hasn't had any altercations yet.
Gypsy Tricia it would be like sitting next to a terrorist. Canadians better arm themselves.
he was severely mentally ill so not criminally responsible. it doesnt mean he will do it again.
Doesn't mean he won't. Who's checking to make sure he takes his meds every single day?? I'd feel a lot safer if someone was.
The psychiatrist should lose his license. He's in the wrong profession. What he considers his professional insights are simply his own ignorance about evil.
didnt think of it that way but yes sometimes idealists forget there are just bad to the bone kinds
This quack doctor also doesn't know anything about demonic possession.
He knew what he was doing was wrong, he was found on the run in Germany ffs...
God I hope Li’s new community are aware of him and on high alert.
Most likely not, he’s already changed his name and I can’t imagine anyone Would wanna be friends with him if they’d know what he did
@@anthonyverresen8055 He changed his name to Will Baker
@@littlemonster2899 howd u know ?
@@snehathapa584 you can find it online
@@snehathapa584 just search up "vince li name change"
I wish the doctors could have been on the bus that night, they would have a very different take on his actions. So gruesome one RCMP officer committed suicide, the rest of the passengers traumatized for life & Mr. McLean lost his for no reason. Don't need a doctor to tell us he's nuts, that's obvious but does not make him innocent.
He's out??wtf is wrong with the criminal justice system 😡
monica barrios he's out?? No he's not
He wasn't found criminally responsible for his actions, he was mentally ill and sent to a hospital. He received treatment and evaluations concluded he's not a risk to society when treated. No reason to lock him up besides the ignorance of the population.
Many schizophrenics act without knowing, just because his actions resulted in a death doesn't make him any more dangerous than any other schizophrenic. By your logic, every schizophrenic on the planet should be locked up because they might murder someone if not treated.
@@waynejohnson1786 , that's bullshit. He's tortured and killed innocent kitties plus torturing and killing an innocent man. Where's the safety for others? Other schizophrenics aren't doing this so why does he get away with this?
@@BFree-ge6ms I wasn't talking about Luka, he's still locked up and always will be, as he should.
I was talking about Vince Li, who's received treatment and is no longer a danger to the public.
Everything. Were in over our heads and things will only get worse. You want to fix it? Slow the population. Start addressing and properly caring for each and every child. It'll work itself out from there.
This so called doctor is a tool. It was quite pre-meditated. Luka wanted attention and he went too far.
MrBrokentowels yes it def was premeditated months before listen to letter to the Sun saying how his next victim would be human
He's an idiot!! Luka wanted attention and planed the whole thing out. He went to Germany because he wanted to get caught there, and he wanted everybody waiting on him, all the camera's ready while he walked off the plane... It played out the way he wanted it to play out. If you're trying to hide out you're not going to Germany, You're going to a country with limited resources in terms of law enforcement lol not a rich country like Germany. I've never mer a more egotistical person than luka.. This guy would have given anything to be a star and since he couldn't be famous as a celebrity, his plan b was killing somebody and becoming famous that way. The guy had a weird obsession with fame that's why he was constantly trying to get on these shows. His goal is life was to be famous and he told himself it's either I become a celebrity or I kill somebody and become famous that way.
A severely mentally ill person can still premeditate a murder. We don't know all the involuntary psychological symptoms that were possibly at play, influencing him to feel like he needed to do something so irrational. We need better science to be more sure about one's state of mind during an untreated, acute psychological episode. In the meantime, people as sick as these two should have treatment in secure facilities. Indefinitely.
If u ask me...I think the psychiatrist has the mental illness & he's the one who needs the medication! Half these psychiatrists have serious mental issues!!!!
It was quite pre-medidated, but not by Luka. As for attention, Luka did his best to AVOID attention. When he was brought back to Montreal from Berlin, the only request Luka had was to keep the reporters and cameras AWAY. Luka has never done an interview about the trial, so that is hardly seeking attention. He hasn't written to anybody since his commissary fund is at it's maximum. Once crazy woman named "Calderon" intentionally gave him the maximum amount of money he could have in his commissary account, so he would have no incentive to write anybody. She actually hates Luka, and Luka is now aware of that, and no longer communicates with her.
disgusting to let that man out, call him a nice man. he brutally stabbed, and ate his flesh.
He ate the flesh because he thought it would give him super-powers to defeat the cops who had surrounded the bus. That doesn't make him crazy, it just makes him wrong.
Both Killers should’ve been locked up for life since Canada has no death penalty. Canadian justice sucks...
I agree. I get so sick of watching multiple murders in Canada and they get life but a chance of parole in 25 years. WTF. Why. It should always be no parole since they don't believe in the death penalty.
Is there a way I can report this dr ?
There definitely needs to be more than one person who decides if someone is criminally insane or schizophrenia...
absolutely spot on
What kind of quack doctor is that? Luka knew exactly what he was doing. He probably looked up insane people's mannerisms and just acted crazed
I don’t really appreciate the psychiatrist saying nice things and giving a list of accomplishments for a monster who robbed all those opportunities from a young man.
How could someone that looks like him EVER think he could have been a model 😂😂😂
He seems like a doctor that can be pushed around.
I find it so funny that the authorities did virtually nothing in the Magnotta case. People on the internet found his identity and then a random internet cafe owner recognizes him in the middle of Germany. If only they’d listened at the beginning. RIP Jun Lin. ❤️
Luka is so creepy looking
Sara Allison Demi Lovato is creepy looking
Agree.
Sara Allison how
You think Luka looks creepy? You should see pictures of ME! I scare myself sometimes! I know what you are referring to about Luka. For a time he was having issues with his eyebrows and his hair. His brother who is just 10 months younger is totally bald, but wears nice caps to compensate. You probably didn't see his better photos. One's appearance can change completely with a hairstyle, smile, and eyes.
Famous last words lol. "He's a very nice man"
Stephen King addressed this. Madmen always have charm. They are the type to take your grandmother to Bingo then slaughter a family later that night in a dingy basement. The human mind is astounding.
Or quote he was such a quiet man unquote
This is why animal cruelty needs to be taken so seriously. The instant he killed his first kitten, he should have been put to death. No questions, no trial, that's it goodbye!
Buddha Baby it’s an animal. It always bugged me how everyone cries about the animals but down play the fact that an innocent man died. It’s always yea but he also killed cats and blah blah blah don’t mess with cats.
hey shrink why did he go on the run then ? he knew what he did !
I need the gullible first Psychiatrist number just in-case I need to con the criminal justice system. He is that good. And why does this remind of the Edward Norton Film Primal Fear?
@Frank....Lol, his number may be handy right?😂😂😂😂
YettaBonez lol
doctor himself looks like evil to me
why is he backing up the killer?
ONLY in Canada can you seemingly commit whatever crime your head says to do and actually get away with it with the right strategy. What a sick and twisted "justice" system for the family of a young man who was paraded up and down the aisle of a bus and ALL the victims that day who have suffered with the excruciating pain and horror of that moment. Vince Li runs in a marathon, makes $, goes to sleep, eats, watches tv, LIVES when Tim will NEVER bring light again into the lives of those who knew him. Let's not call this a 'justice' system but call it what it really is and has become - a playground for those who can wear the saddest face following their murdering rampage. The 'psychiatrists' of this world that get these evil creeps off? What goes around with time, comes back around.
Ms40Watts thanks Canada. I think God wants me to go and rob banks in Canada.
Yes… do that, commit crimes and hurt people, what a completely ungodly thing to even suggest…
Ms40Watts you're missing the point. If Canadian bacon heads are so dim as to let someone like this decapitate someone then let him go live a normal life because he has delusions then it just stands to reason that someone could rob banks, stash the money claim he was delusional then go live a privileged life in 4 or 5 years.
Yes, I understood your point, I was merely being facetious; being that there are many who would take your comment and fly with it… my apologies for the directness of my own evasiveness. It had actually occurred to me in my initial statement that some would see that as opportunity. I suppose the difference is that when one robs a bank here, they do indeed spend life in prison; murder of humanity, a lesser crime over money.
He carried that Rambo knife on board the bus it was premeditated. Vince li knew exactly what he was doing. Apparently his life has more value that the sleeping kid he desecrated.
Canada punished me more for putting a fish fillet in a plastic bag rather than a vacuumed sealed bag than they did vince for cutting a guys head off and eating his eyes and heart.
It never ceases to amaze me how many shrinks talk about their criminal clients: what happened to doctor/patient confidentiality? Not that it stops me from watching programs like this one, but I do find it very puzzling.
Jude Power reserch the privacy act in your country. In mine it is changed if you’re convicted.
He should live with the doctor period.
Periodt!
wtf is goin' on in this world? why they let him out!!
Why they let Vince Li out is a mystery to me. Same thing goes for Karla Homolka whom they released after just 10 years. She is a serial killer!
This is Canada, if you are murdered in Canada and your killer has schizophrenia, your life is not only cheep to the justice system it has no value what so ever.
lol Madonna he leaned his lesson well
He is still in prison
They let Li out because the psychiatric industry are afraid of the implications of the mantra 'not criminally responsible due to insanity' being found to not exist.
Nice, the guy who cut a kids head off on a feckin Greyhound bus is now potentially going to college with our kids. Courtesy of the tax payers 😨
Wrong fn story, douchebag. This guy is the "ice pick killer." Several yrs later & I still remember this f'n creep. His poor family! Edit: my bad. I was focused on the first story. But yeah, that other guys creepy too. 😤
So nice to hear that Mr Li is doing so well, he has made a full recovery.
It’s unfortunate that the innocent gentleman who met Mr Li when he was less than well, will be unable to make any such recovery!
Yeah, "doing well", he better continue his medication or else he would have committed another attrocities like that... Also, it's really mind boggling that he hadn't experience some PTSD for what he did since he knew all the details that happened... Also, Tim wasn't the only person that he ruined, those people who witness what he did are... Some committed suicide because of what they witness, some became criminal to blocked off the tragedy they witness, some became mentally ill... In short, the people who witness what he did are ruined because of him
Man! I love this channel! It is actually my nev fave!
It is horrifying to listen to the words of these so-called expert psychiatrists who think they are Gods but act like fools .
Vince Li is running marathons!! What about Tim"s Life which was ahead of him!! Unbelievable!!
Vince not running marathons is not gonna bring Tim's life back.
such a creep Luka is.
YEP! Even the word creep paled in comparison to this disgusting scumbag.
Stephii Zombie Queen Loveless are you Yoda??
Wow.. a disciple of Marilyn Manson calling someone a creep.
Go back to North Korea
he's just a vampire
hes just a really nice man this guy says at the end lol wtf that is wild, you can cut off someones head and be in college 4 years later in canada, this is almost too creepy that this guy is roaming free gives me the heebie jeebies
Luka *mails fkn feet to people
Shrink *not criminally responsible
Both men have got away with murder, twisted world.
Not magnotta. He was imprisoned. In the US he wouldve gotten the death penalty hopefully. But Canada's justice system is weakminded
I heard about the Incident involving Vince Li when I was a child and I was actually frightened sleeping for a bit. But my morbid curiosity made me want to learn more.
Vince Li's psychiatrist is betting on his assessment that he's safe to be free in society as long as he stays on his meds. He adds that Vince is surprisingly soft spoken and friendly. I'm familiar with an acquaintance with apparently some kind of violent psychotic condition (at least that's the rumour going around...the public resorts to speculation when official information is lacking). He's quite friendly in passing, never a harsh word but when he gets behind closed doors in his private space he can be heard from the hallway frequently cursing and swearing angrily. About psychiatrists willing to gamble on the likes of Vince Li depending on meds to prevent atrocities, if they lose their gamble there should be some kind of loss the psychiatrist can actually feel such as a large monetary penalty.
Dean Metcalfe unless you can make certain he'll take the drugs he sould never be free, and he took a life his life Sould be taken
Also, if their problems are taking medicine, then they should be monitored by someone when they take medicines, and make sure they do.
Magnotta is evil incarnate.
End of assessment.
With all the criminals that are out ,no one is safe .What a scarey world we live in.
"A very nice man" who snuffed out an innocent life.
I'm surprised that his psychiatrist was allowed to do this interview. Wouldn't this be a breach of doctor/patient confidentiality? In the U.S. we have HIPPA laws to protect patients. I know that Canadian laws are different, but it still seems like this would be a big no no.
Forensic psychiatry it is not a true doctor-patient relationship they're being paid for their opinion of a mental state they are not there to help the person
How can they keep living normally when they know that they have brutally killed an innocent human being?
There should be a law that if a psychiatrist recommends a patient that has committed a heinous crime is healthy enough to go back in to society and the patient commits another crime the psychiatrist must not only lose their license but also spend prison time......lets see how many recommendations you see if that was the case.
“Just how pleasant to be around him, he’s just a nice man” just wow so disrespectful to the victim and his family. He should have li over for dinner.
Dog bites someone and gets put down. Man decapitates and mutilated another man and eats his flesh and gets freedom.
Totally faking the paranoid psychosis, like he said in his audition video "looks are my priority number 1, intelligence is number 2". TOTAL actor!
Ah, this sounds kinda familiar...
Luka Magnotta blames someone called 'Manny', saying "Manny made him do it".
Didn't Casey Anthony blame someone called 'Zanny', saying that Zanny kidnapped her Daughter?
Beware of anyone with a name ending in '*anny!'
Din-Din-Dinnnnn!
Or, maybe Luka & Casey are just cold blooded murders who are lying to avoid prison... 🤔
Yeah, Kenneth Bianchi one of the Hillside Stranglers tried to say his "other" personalities took over him when he helped murder all those girls... only those doctors didn't fall for that crap. This Dr. Watts is an idiot.
Well,my name's Annie. And I'm here to confirm that I'm ok. I mean, ok in the sense of don't f'n compare me to murderers. You f'n drama queen lunatic...
The smirk on his face. Put him in a max prison and throw away the key
This story is the most upsetting I have heard in a very long time. The young man Tim was so full of life and love. His poor mother, I wish her all of the healing that the Lord can provide ( and the Lord has unlimited love for his children). May Tim have a peaceful rest, and for some reason I know that God did not allow him to bare the pain or hatred that (the monster whom I prefer not to refer to with a God given name) tried to bestow upon him. I know he was exalted with the Lord, and his sweet mother can carry his name and let him live on through her memories and time she had with him. He is forever her baby ❣️♥️ I am a mother and I cannot imagine what she is going through,now.. even after all these years.
Serial killers & psychopaths usually are nice... til they're not. Hence the problem.
He fooled everybody he knew exactly what he was doing
the difference is that Eric (Luka) knew the victim, or victims including the kittens, and premeditated the whole scene but Vince did it on a stranger
So what, they both need to be in Prison for Life.
Still not excuse to kill another human been. While ago I hit a dog with my car but I couldn't avoid it; and I cried for months. Even now I think about it and get really sad.
This psychiatrist is naive in the extreme. As a forensic service worker (of 30yrs appearing before courts) it is patently clear Magnotta understood what he was doing and the consequences. He was and had Capacity to understand his actions.
Magnotta is a real Psycho! This guy got Conned! The Jury Got it right!
Thank goodness for common sense from the jury. This doctor has none.
He was able to run from the fact he knew he had committed a crime.
These criminals deemed not criminally responsible for their murders, should be allowed to live in the homes of the psychiatrists, who deemed them, not criminally responsible.
Neither of those psychiatrists deserve to practice. Theyre as much a danger to society as the monsters they defend and excuse.
some magnottas are heads of governments and CEOs etc
/ true
And world leaders
That not responsible for mental health is absolutely asinine and these "doctors" are so easily manipulated.
the psychiatrist seems as goofy as the lunatic.
Ironically, most psychiatrists are quite goofy/flakey. I used to work on the computers of many doctors offices (surgeons, dentists, psychiatrists, etc.) and I was amazed at how looney most doctors are. I even remember my psychology professor at my university. Boy was she NUTS! Her own student assistants would ask her students in private "off the record - what do you think of her?"
@@johnroy9654 if it walks like a duck act's like a duck most likely It's A Quack lol
I'm just hearing about these cases. Doc Watts is liking a little Luka. How are they out in the community?
Vince Li was kind of interesting. His statement made me wonder as to whether Christianity, or any other major religion involving Gods were also started or supported by someone that is delusional or has schizophrenia.
You often hear in religion people that claim they have seen signs, manifestations and heard voices. And that they came to the conclusion that it must have been signs and words from God. Probably because they had no other explanation. People didn't know about Schizophrenia back then. Heck, study of the brain and psychology was unheard of.
Also psychedelic drugs which were widely used in ancient times seem to be a contributing factor. Many books on the topic
Their delusions are because of Religious surroundings not the other away around
I live in Winnipeg n they already let him walk out free
Smh shame on the government
Sick man or not
What he did
He shouldn't b out walking around in Selkirk Manitoba smh Shame shame shameeeeee On Winnipeg manitobas justices system smh
Dumb, low risk...then stay with him
This Mark dude exemplifies everything wrong with the field of Psychology.
Omg what's wrong with your face bruh
My niece has schizophrenia she’s had it since she was a young child and she is a adult now and a lot of how he acted before he went psycho is the same way my niece is she has to have attention constantly from somebody whether be online or preferably she prefers physical attention from friends or family but she is on her medication daily she has to see a therapist and she has never hurt anything in her life !!!!
The first doctor doesn't comprehend how depraved and clever people can be.
He's definitely dropping his soap on purpose in prison.
Kenzo Topgay he actually got married ☠️
@@thexiatkills ya good things happen to the most undeserving people, what a shame.