The Unravelling of Nurse Elizabeth Wettlaufer - The Fifth Estate

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  • Eight deaths of elderly patients under her care. Nurse Elizabeth Wettlaufer is arrested for murder. Charged with eight counts of first-degree murder and four counts of attempted murder. What happened? Revelations about her and her life from close friends, neighbours and the nurse’s own words.
    UPDATE : On June 23rd 2017, Wettlaufer plead guilty to 14 charges and including first-degree murder, attempted murder and aggravated assault. The former nurse was sentenced to eight concurrent life terms in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years. More details : www.cbc.ca/1.4175164
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  • @BalletTapJazz
    @BalletTapJazz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3360

    The crazy thing is, this is probably way more common than we think, because we rarely ask questions when someone elderly or sick dies.

    • @spacecase7566
      @spacecase7566 7 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Yup.

    • @jkl799
      @jkl799 6 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      Noslo: Exactly! No one questions when the elderly die. Yikes.

    • @Sky-ki4xt
      @Sky-ki4xt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      Noslo this happens in all care homes and hospitals the World over. There should be autopsies done on every single person that dies and especially in care homes and hospitals. Health care workers should also have to do a drugs test every month or so, even less, after all they literally have our life in their hands.
      Those who leave everything in God's hand, will eventually see God's hand in everything!
      Make you're elderly family feel wanted and not rejected. No need to abandon them when they are vulnerable and need ye the most.
      R.I.P to all victims of care home abuse xx God will deliver true justice in the end

    • @attilathehun5866
      @attilathehun5866 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I was thinking the same thing.. people are so easy to put family members lives into other peoples hands that they don’t even know.

    • @Amarie730
      @Amarie730 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      sky real m There is a solution do as they once did years before and that’s take care of your own family members, none of my grandparents ever were placed in a nursing home. I plan to do the same and care for my parents so help me God!

  • @nicolelewis8975
    @nicolelewis8975 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1802

    I'm a nurse on night shift right now....I like my patients alive thank you. How horrible that this lady was able to do this.

    • @AllieRedCat
      @AllieRedCat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Right???

    • @gojobuddy
      @gojobuddy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Wasn't she stealing their pain meds too?

    • @cpmffeilberg4970
      @cpmffeilberg4970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Nicole you are a keeper

    • @mpar4313
      @mpar4313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Shouldn’t you be working?

    • @nicolelewis8975
      @nicolelewis8975 4 ปีที่แล้ว +140

      @@mpar4313 all my patients were settled,.my charting done, my er stocked. Not much else to do on a slow night shift. I have breaks too ya know.....? But more importantly my patients were not dead. Lol

  • @Lisabug2659
    @Lisabug2659 2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    A couple weeks ago, I was told by my dog sitter that her father was a victim. You can literally “feel” the trauma in her recounting of this. I honestly think her entire life was destroyed.

    • @rexcannel8195
      @rexcannel8195 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Абзал Абзал Ahhhh this is Canada. Your comments are off base

    • @melodiefrances3898
      @melodiefrances3898 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is so sad 😥

  • @HydroDiver
    @HydroDiver 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1387

    She committed some pretty heinous crimes but I'll always remember her for the very audible fart she let loose during her interrogation.

    • @boodro2122
      @boodro2122 4 ปีที่แล้ว +151

      The 'ol Wettlauffer woofy...

    • @lucindawaugh3945
      @lucindawaugh3945 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      LoL 🤣

    • @sonyacruz8115
      @sonyacruz8115 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Omg!😂

    • @DaniellesMicoMarley
      @DaniellesMicoMarley 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      oh my gosh xD xD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @swish6754
      @swish6754 4 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      Well, she did play the trombone in her high school band 😃

  • @tutsecret499
    @tutsecret499 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1357

    Why on earth you leave only one person in the night to care for other people. No managers around, no monitor, no nothing. Perfect environment for predators.

    • @danderson4002
      @danderson4002 4 ปีที่แล้ว +194

      Because the health industry DOESN'T CARE about people...just money. They turn over beds faster that way. I’m positive that’s the reason.

    • @lyrikgraham9581
      @lyrikgraham9581 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Tut Secret i thought it said she was in charge

    • @angelikalaser7778
      @angelikalaser7778 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Money money money money...

    • @gigiw.7650
      @gigiw.7650 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Tut Secret
      It's a money mill, nothing more. Even the "good ones"! It's a disgrace.

    • @dot5421
      @dot5421 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      At my retirement home the night nurse literally took a nap during her night shift but she eventually got caught and fired

  • @slingbladefrenchfries3007
    @slingbladefrenchfries3007 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2112

    she looked 55 years old in her high school pictures

    • @Crave88evarC
      @Crave88evarC 7 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Yes like WTF

    • @mikahart9577
      @mikahart9577 7 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      sir ball of saxon she does look like 35 in high school white ppl age badly

    • @milkglassfairy7641
      @milkglassfairy7641 7 ปีที่แล้ว +113

      Mika hart lol why someone always got to make it racial and make stupid generalisations

    • @mikahart9577
      @mikahart9577 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Layla Mae because thats what Americans do an she did age bad.

    • @skyvision7363
      @skyvision7363 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Mika hart Pretty sure she is from Canada. Not a big deal tho

  • @IsoldeHallArt
    @IsoldeHallArt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +556

    Please explain to me what about her seems “energetic” and “new”? She’s a sloppy mess.

    • @joycemarie5495
      @joycemarie5495 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Monica Hall lol 😂....that is exactly what I was thinking!! Holy moly....I hope the person that hired her isn’t in charge of hiring now...

    • @ME-vb6pq
      @ME-vb6pq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Thank you!!! I’m like who...??? 👀 What did I miss bcuz this lady does NOT fit that description!

    • @msjannd4
      @msjannd4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @brandonc6648
      @brandonc6648 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But really

    • @Elizabeth-yp8re
      @Elizabeth-yp8re 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Typical of sociopaths. My sister was literally able to convince people that SHE was somehow to take the credit for MY hard work and ethics, and hang her garbage on ME. My sister has that same appeal, even though it's subterfuge, masking 'nervous' energy as 'enthusiasm' and professional confidence, as opposed to the meth she was snorting or smoking, or whatever people do with it. This way SHE controls the narrative.

  • @rawbacon
    @rawbacon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +155

    She waived her right to a preliminary hearing, and confessed to all charges in court on June 1, 2017. On June 26, 2017, Wettlaufer was sentenced to eight concurrent life terms in prison, with no possibility of parole for 25 years.

    • @chelseebarber894
      @chelseebarber894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Raw Bacon best news I’ve heard in a while 👏🏻

    • @breezy3725
      @breezy3725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Thank goodness. I was a little worried with the lax Canadian justice system. Hope that care center got royally sued.

    • @lancemasterdavidlancesomer8341
      @lancemasterdavidlancesomer8341 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I JUST READ SHE WAS MOVED TO A MENTAL FACILITY IN A FEDERAL PRISON NO LOCKS NO GUARDS AND SHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN A REAL PRISON . I CANT FIND ANYTHING ELSE ITS LIKE SHES NOT IN THE SYSTEM AND I CANT FIND ANYTHING.

    • @AtticTapes14
      @AtticTapes14 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      800 years in jail

    • @poodee9395
      @poodee9395 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for the update

  • @GinaBush-gb6tk
    @GinaBush-gb6tk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +257

    I had a 20+ career in nursing and I can't understand how anyone can stand by a bed and look at a human being with malice in mind.

    • @Medietos
      @Medietos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      With enough number of bad burdens, lacks in childhood etc... have you never seen anything bad in yourself? We should walk in the other humans shoes 6 miles before judging them. Even Drs know not that much. or they don't make use of t. The power of the mind f ex...

    • @Coltensreefing
      @Coltensreefing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well said your like an angel to them

    • @mikecathy3875
      @mikecathy3875 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another Sullivan neither can I !

    • @ldmoss3706
      @ldmoss3706 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There a lot of demons in nursing nowadays. I think the shortage has allowed many people to be in it for the money. 🤷🏾‍♀️

    • @cpmffeilberg4970
      @cpmffeilberg4970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My uncle was murdered by a nurse in a nursing home in Atlanta, Georgia.

  • @danica6077
    @danica6077 5 ปีที่แล้ว +602

    my mom worked w/ this lady. it still gives me chills to this day.

    • @ripahh9238
      @ripahh9238 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      danica rose omg your mother got lucky

    • @Frivolous_
      @Frivolous_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Pretty sure she would now have difficulty trusting people. It's so horrific that such people living between us with nothing unusual in behavior could go on to do such henious crime. Nothing would ever be able to fanthom what human mind could do.

    • @Mossadagent666
      @Mossadagent666 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      danica rose E.W is no Lady , she’s an evil witch. Your mother is a Lady 💯✌🏻. Thankfully, your mother got way from this narcissistic psychopath 🙏🏻👍

    • @carolinebarrella2745
      @carolinebarrella2745 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wow

    • @tmichellemd111
      @tmichellemd111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      danica rose 😲

  • @sarahstamile5902
    @sarahstamile5902 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    It's fascinating to me how the fifth estate is shining such a positive light on the intentions and environment of care homes. They are brutally under staffed, and the caregivers they employ are severely over worked and under paid, all while getting physically and emotionally abused by the people they're caring for and the ones they work for. Care homes run these ways are a breading ground for abuse and neglect.
    You got a real good glimpse of the truth about care homes during covid.

  • @mikecathy3875
    @mikecathy3875 4 ปีที่แล้ว +324

    She admitted to 8 , how many more were murdered ?

    • @mandywatts1743
      @mandywatts1743 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      96

    • @pizzlesauce
      @pizzlesauce 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      She's so crazy she probably actually admitted to them all.

    • @axelandria5760
      @axelandria5760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      5 more were attempted, I have a family friend who was a victim and almost died.

    • @kroooassant9899
      @kroooassant9899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pizzlesauce Probably very low IQ too

    • @coldestt7
      @coldestt7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In total, it was 23.

  • @uwcb1
    @uwcb1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1352

    The real question is-how many were killed by her god awful poetry?

    • @spacecase7566
      @spacecase7566 7 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      I think that you're just jealous of her writing skills. I mean, her profile did she that she loves the English language and the use of 'big words in her mouth'.😂

    • @coastisclear25
      @coastisclear25 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      i will assume u are being sarcastic cos no one can be that freakin stupid lol

    • @lizlyons2463
      @lizlyons2463 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Space Case p

    • @alexbraybrooke7539
      @alexbraybrooke7539 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      uwcb1 iin

    • @mahaelnigoumi2420
      @mahaelnigoumi2420 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      police should use a hypnotist to extract truth from her

  • @TheBaronessIsAwesome
    @TheBaronessIsAwesome 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1875

    I think the Minion scrubs should have been the first warning sign.

    • @brianprinty112
      @brianprinty112 6 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      TheBaronessIsAwesome Minions are awesome! She doesn't deserve to wear them

    • @velvet4299
      @velvet4299 5 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      I'd rather drive myself to a different hospital than see those nasty creatures near me like that lol

    • @jazbarry13
      @jazbarry13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Spot on. Minions are the worst.

    • @sandrabrott8580
      @sandrabrott8580 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Jaz Barry I love the minions. I think they are hilarious

    • @barbie6695
      @barbie6695 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      lmao!!

  • @EBrown-gb4yb
    @EBrown-gb4yb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    What is scary is if she never told anyone, she would of kept doing this and probably have never been caught!

    • @janepatton8100
      @janepatton8100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The worth and dignity of a soul is measured by what it delights in! And delight/happiness is our highest desire.
      Men have killed to have it. Kings have gone mad trying to find it. Wars have served it. Affairs have worshiped it. We all seek it.
      Sadly, billions have died without discovering its secret... namely, that joy is not an it, but a He.
      The Gospel is the good news that sinners can delight in a Holy God. It's the good news that all of our deepest desires are satisfied in the ONE who sent His Son to bring us to Him.
      God is so valuable and so satisfying that the most loving thing he could do for us is to make Himself gloriously indispensable. He is the only being in the universe for whom self-exaltation is the highest virtue.
      Therefore, God's commitment to be glorified and our goal to be satisfied are not at odds but come to simultaneous consumation in the worship of His Son... who took upon Himself the Wrath that God had towards us in our sinful disregard of Him. A wrath that could never be appeased through man-made religion.
      Jesus didn't die to turn the world into a paradise, he died so that we could stop seeking paradise in the world...
      Temporal things such as beauty, popularity, money, sex, racial identity, gender reassignment... can never truly satisfy. BECAUSE WE WERE MADE FOR SO MUCH MORE!
      We were made to gaze intently into the Eternal Beauty of a majestic King, Father, and God... meet Jesus the Christ.
      Life is hard, God is good, Glory is coming
      😊... Thanks for taking the time to read this comment.
      May God bless you with all things necessary for life and goodness.
      God Bless!

    • @donnaadom8483
      @donnaadom8483 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What REALLY is scary is that she told a handful of people before one finally went to the police

    • @guardiansanimalrescuestate7289
      @guardiansanimalrescuestate7289 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      More scary she told those who didn’t report her. They could have saved lives.

    • @GypsyGirl317
      @GypsyGirl317 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a terrible thing to think about how many more vulnerable people could have died at her hands.

  • @LatinIndigo
    @LatinIndigo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    Why didn't this show interview any coworkers? I'm positive the places she worked at received complaints from other staff, and they were ignored.

  • @teresadkirse8489
    @teresadkirse8489 7 ปีที่แล้ว +661

    I live in the US. I have been a registered nurse for 40 years (I am 62). There are good nurses and their are bad nurses. Just like in every profession. But in my profession we have the responsibility of caring for the sick and dying and for advocating for our patients. In the years that I have been in this profession, overwhelmingly, that has been the case. As nurses we often feel that we are the voice for the patients and their families when they cannot, for what ever reason, speak for themselves. We must be their voice. In my years I have fired nurses for failing to live up to the high standards that I expected of them. I wanted my departments to provide excellent care, not just good care. I wanted my staff to be well trained. I wanted them to take pride in their jobs. And they did. We had few patient complaints, very low rates of complications, and an excellent reputation within the community. Each year polls show that nurses are still one of the most trusted professions. So when I see something like this, I am deeply offended. Because it reflects very poorly on the profession. Long term care (nursing homes) can be a problem. Low pay, long hours, no training. In the past women did not work outside the home. When a family member became ill they stayed at home and a family member, usually the female in the home, cared for that person. Now with families requiring a two person income, most cannot keep relatives at home. And home care is VERY expensive and is not usually covered well by medicare/ medicaid. So what are the options? As a society we have to decide where our priorities are. The elderly and sick are viewed as disposable. They don't matter. Someone has to advocate for them.

    • @catherinehpn3613
      @catherinehpn3613 7 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Teresa D Kirse Well said, this documentary seemed to be an open invitation to attack the character of all nurses. Nobody chooses to become a nurse for status or money. In general we choose to become nurses because we genuinely care about others and that empathy leads us to our chosen profession.
      It's an unenviable choice of how to best care for our elders. Unfortunately the more money you have the more options you have. (24 hour home care, expensive quality assisted living care etc. ). Often people in nursing homes have no remaining family or their families are scattered, unable to help.
      As a society we've neglected instead of revered our elderly. As nurses we advocate and respect patient rights.
      This woman is a sociopath pretending to be a caregiver. Sociopaths are certainly not exclusively health care professionals.

    • @the_emmasculator
      @the_emmasculator 7 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Teresa D Kirse I was in the E.R once when my friends appendix had to be removed and holy crap are people so disrespectful to nurses!! I was just sitting there in disbelief!! Name calling, abusive language! We get it! you're in pain! but these are the people who are trying to help you! Man good for you guys. I could never do that job. Don't know how people have the emotional and mental tenacity to deal with all that AND then the endless hours

    • @mookzmom
      @mookzmom 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Teresa D Kirse , Well said indeed. I've been an RN over 30 years. The public tends to remember only the bad stand-outs, as we tend to remember the crummy patients. I've always strived to treat them all the same. With compassion and kindness. I think this nurse had some mental issues that should've been picked up on long before she came clean to the cops. She'd told many friends over the years what was going on. (I watched her confession tapes) It's a sad story all the way around.

    • @rozageorge9310
      @rozageorge9310 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Teresa D Kirse your words touched me. Also don't forget nurses correct doctors mistakes some that could be fatal to the patient.
      I'm glad I share the world with you. You must be amazing at your job

    • @I_am_not_a_dog
      @I_am_not_a_dog 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Teresa D Kirse Thank you for being such a good person, and for being such a good nurse. Thank you for devoting your life to such a profession.
      Unfortunately, I haven't had too many good experiences with nurses. That said, the few good experiences I did have restrained any negative judgement I may have otherwise passed on your career field.
      Anyways, my point is that it seems like it is one or another with nurses- they're either great, or just awful. Why do you think that is? Or is that just an assumption of mine?

  • @lizzyltr8304
    @lizzyltr8304 7 ปีที่แล้ว +434

    I left my job and cared both of my parents for 10 years. both of them passed away happily under my care...never left them except for marketing for ten years. it was the best years of my life, wouldn't trade for any other.

    • @shadrach6299
      @shadrach6299 7 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      lizzy ltr Not all people can afford to do that. People have to work.

    • @lizzyltr8304
      @lizzyltr8304 7 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      sherry blackwood ....I agree with you.😊
      but iam just lucky that I was able to take care of them without financial problem. Instead of spending money in a hospital, a nurse could be hired with that money during our working hours.

    • @bebe553
      @bebe553 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      lizzy ltr
      People have different circumstances; choosing whether to put loved ones in a nursing home is a difficult decision. I believe, for the most part, people do the best that they can.

    • @TheKappybook
      @TheKappybook 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      lizzy ltr I am absolutely with you. I had the honor of caring for my dad as he lived with and died from Stage iv cancer. I will cherish the time we spent doing simple stuff. It was truly a privledge.

    • @lizzyltr8304
      @lizzyltr8304 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Kathy Kilpatrick iam so happy to know that you were able to take care of your parent. it's not easy to take care of a terminally ill person. my mom had kidney failure and broken hip bones . she was in the bed for 8years and I took care of her day and night. I really miss her.

  • @momhairdontcare7909
    @momhairdontcare7909 4 ปีที่แล้ว +218

    “An energetic new nurse”- bruh.

  • @KolorMeyellow
    @KolorMeyellow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    This channel is helping me get over the lack of new episode on Crime watch daily

  • @ajimenez1719ify
    @ajimenez1719ify 6 ปีที่แล้ว +441

    This is just as bad as killing children. The elderly are helpless, just like children and that is what makes crimes against them so heinous. I can't help but to think about my grandparents while I'm watching this. What if this had been one or both of them? That woman wouldn't be here with us to tell the tale. It's that simple.

    • @malisaocampo4150
      @malisaocampo4150 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      She tried to kill one boy. The kid of the woman she was dating.

    • @BruisedASScheeks
      @BruisedASScheeks 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Dustin Eward@Dustin Eward what do you mean? Some were women?...

    • @eternalreign2313
      @eternalreign2313 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Huh? Killing elderly people who already have one foot in the grave isn't even close to killing children who still have their entire lives ahead of them. I'm not saying it's ok to kill anybody if it's not necessary, but if you got to throw someone overboard to save everyone else, you're starting with grandpa, not the children.

    • @eternalreign2313
      @eternalreign2313 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @Dustin Eward LOL what? Did you even watch the video? 20:32 5 of the 8 were women. They did pretty much just focus on the 3 male victims however. That's the patriarchy for ya.

    • @chelseagreer6264
      @chelseagreer6264 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The uk had a killer nurse who killed babies. Her name is beverly allit. She was caught eventually but she killed some babies and it was awful!

  • @damien1781
    @damien1781 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1359

    I sometimes wonder why some people become nurses. I see so many of them hate their jobs. It is so troubling. Do something else if you hate it so much. A lot of them have bad attitudes and are rude, sarcastic, and careless. Then again Ive seen some outstanding nurses.

    • @Renee2BNS1202
      @Renee2BNS1202 7 ปีที่แล้ว +264

      Mykee Wattz they don't always start out that way but the job (not the patients) more so the pressure from bosses/management, them telling you paperwork is more important than hands on patient care, not having enough time to do what's important, day after day, it gets to you.

    • @mandemarso
      @mandemarso 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I COULDNT AGREE MORE.

    • @mishellcornell2160
      @mishellcornell2160 7 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Mykee Wattz yes i trained to be s nurse .it was a 3 year course.i left after only one year..i realised it wasnt for me.i got too involved . i really loved my patients.sometimes.i do regret it

    • @damien1781
      @damien1781 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Mishell Cornell what made you come to that conclusion? The hours, Doctor's ?

    • @kissy_kitty_kat
      @kissy_kitty_kat 7 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Mykee Wattz I know what you mean. I work as a CNA and I love it. But some of the nurses I've worked with were bitchy and hated their jobs and it rubbed off in their work.

  • @maylynbayani
    @maylynbayani 4 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    How could anyone let her work intoxicated and be in charge of all those elderly. I woukd have reported her. I am a nurse in both elderly and rehabilitation facilities. She is disgusting. She is playing god.

    • @JB_Fraulein_Kunst
      @JB_Fraulein_Kunst 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      People obviously did report her because she had suspensions before her firing from her main job and got fired from multiple jobs after that.
      It's all in this video

    • @kimheadland9224
      @kimheadland9224 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes I totally agree with you .am a nurse too and she definitely took advantage of her position she is a monster

    • @princeandrew6728
      @princeandrew6728 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello

    • @hhuodod2209
      @hhuodod2209 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes and playing god is a drs job lol.

    • @myfairlahey5738
      @myfairlahey5738 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      nope - she is playing satan

  • @nicholemobley6470
    @nicholemobley6470 4 ปีที่แล้ว +281

    This got me pissed off. You only get one life and theirs was snuffed out by her evil acts I'm outraged fr

    • @sherrix6881
      @sherrix6881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Outrage is addictive, lay off it

    • @bowilliam3865
      @bowilliam3865 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@sherrix6881? This is outrageous though

    • @aidenlav
      @aidenlav 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sherrix6881 read the room lmao

  • @juliecaponehaynes6202
    @juliecaponehaynes6202 7 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    Ok, this makes me sick!! Im a nurse and have been for 25 yrs, i love helping people wouldnt dream of hurting a pt!! I take great pride in my work!

    • @eternalreign2313
      @eternalreign2313 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm sure Beth told people that all the time too. What are you hiding Julie? "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" as they say. I mean what nurse is going to admit to getting some joy out of treating patients badly?

    • @apextroll
      @apextroll 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@eternalreign2313 Patients also treat nurses badly..and other patients..It is a criminal free-for-all basically.

    • @jackfrost7819
      @jackfrost7819 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah but she also trie to kill a little boy. she is lesbia and dated his mom before the news thing. moths before. they when to this party and the boy's mom told him not to eat the seafood cause they had peanut oil and he had peanut allergy. Elizabeth gave the boy shrimp, his favorite and said his mom told her to give them to her and they were peanut free. he ate them and had a reaction and got taken to the hospitale. when the boy told why he ate the shrimp he told his mom Elizabeth said it was ok but Elizabeth lied. luckly the mom belived him

    • @montanamike7948
      @montanamike7948 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm sure she once said the same thing.

    • @barbarachipman9436
      @barbarachipman9436 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      i would not even dream of harming anyone. what a breach of trust.

  • @AmericanPatriot-1776
    @AmericanPatriot-1776 4 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    I did in-home care and I loved all my clients. I would NEVER do any of this. I distributed meds and I wanted only for their comfort. This is when people are the most vulnerable and I cried when they died. I worked with Hospice nurses and I respected their dedication. They are wonderful people. All of them. Up all night, helping them breathe It is a noble job and I think all who do this are true angels.

    • @chelseebarber894
      @chelseebarber894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Hospice is no doubt one of the hardest.. and I respect you for your professional care. I couldn’t ever in a trillion years imagine doing this to patients either. I love making an impact on their lives and even their families’s lives.. it’s a true joy making them happy.

    • @AmericanPatriot-1776
      @AmericanPatriot-1776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@chelseebarber894 I even took care of their pets at the same time. Usually these folks were alone at home all day with very little family contact. I worry about my clients the whole time I'm with them. Thank you for you very kind words, you get-it! Have a magical day!

    • @chelseebarber894
      @chelseebarber894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      AmericanPatriot 1776 a lot of the time I’m the person they see the most! That’s a big deal to me so I always try to make them feel warm and cared for when they’re in such a vulnerable place in their life. Being told I’ve made them happy or that they’ll always remember me is one of the biggest compliments. I’m sure I’m not the only one that would do anything to protect them 💔

    • @AmericanPatriot-1776
      @AmericanPatriot-1776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@el-maiki And you are very, very mean.

    • @beteljuice5252
      @beteljuice5252 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bless your heart ♥️

  • @N2DFlood
    @N2DFlood 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    If you are cracking up and you are a nurse, please quit.

    • @ceciliapuime4038
      @ceciliapuime4038 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ❤️❤️❤️

    • @chewyjello1
      @chewyjello1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And get help before it comes to this.

    • @GypsyGirl317
      @GypsyGirl317 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree 👍🏾
      I was a nurse for 30 years - I trained straight after leaving high school.
      I always said to myself that when I lost my passion for the vocation, I would leave, and I did.
      I then went on to train as a counsellor, and I still love working with vulnerable people! 🙆🏻‍♀️💖😊

  • @Sunflowers9191
    @Sunflowers9191 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    This is actually my biggest fear, ending up in the hospital and/or having to have surgery, being completely helpless.. and having someone like her having to take “care” of me. I would always want to have a family member or friend by my side to keep an eye on me.

    • @molonlabe8792
      @molonlabe8792 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bwahahahaha!

    • @stellaz2595
      @stellaz2595 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I remember my mother telling me that the nurses were so much nicer to her when I was there, which I was most of the day. She was of sound mind, but in late stage heart failure.

  • @conigjo62
    @conigjo62 5 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    She confessed to all charges in court on June 1, 2017. On June 26, 2017, Wettlaufer was sentenced to eight concurrent life terms in prison, with no possibility of parole for 25 years.

    • @guardiansanimalrescuestate7289
      @guardiansanimalrescuestate7289 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Should be no parole.

    • @katietrongogo
      @katietrongogo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah wait, doesn’t that mean she could be out in 25 years? Women live into their 80’s.... she could still potentially live many years alive and free.

    • @conigjo62
      @conigjo62 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@katietrongogo The Parole is a formality "a legal thing" the Son of Sam is eligible for parole every "x" years. He refuses to go but get denies nonetheless. She will get denied as no Parole board member will attach their name to a get out of jail card. These felons dies in jail as the should

    • @katietrongogo
      @katietrongogo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@conigjo62 ok that’s good to hear!!

    • @thecalmwayhome8483
      @thecalmwayhome8483 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's great.

  • @CuriousConnoisseurs
    @CuriousConnoisseurs 6 ปีที่แล้ว +642

    I dunno what is more scary. The Fact she killed many People, or someone really dated her.

    • @gianidoingmebenman2955
      @gianidoingmebenman2955 5 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      PLO Well, having seen who dated her, are you surprised?

    • @darthmetal666
      @darthmetal666 5 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      You should watch the interrogation video where she warns the officer she's going to pass gas and then proceeds to rip one LMAO

    • @bravoprojectrunwayfans
      @bravoprojectrunwayfans 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Both.

    • @MrsCromer
      @MrsCromer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @daytonasayswhat9333
      @daytonasayswhat9333 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Lesbians be desperate.

  • @TruthNeverFade
    @TruthNeverFade 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I work in a nursing home, on a unit that's especially fitted for patients with dementia. And let me tell you, I absolutely adore every single one of them. This case and many others fill me with so much rage. It's like a shadow of doubt that'll linger in the minds of relatives. You can sometimes catch the vibe of unease, distrust. And I don't blame them honestly. It breaks my heart that my profession was soiled by those monsters.

    • @KayDejaVu
      @KayDejaVu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'll never get why people like dementia residents. So much work.

    • @TruthNeverFade
      @TruthNeverFade ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@KayDejaVu then don't work with them 🤷🏻‍♀️

  • @sxceve25
    @sxceve25 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    The elderly are like children, they have no voice..😞

    • @macalister8881
      @macalister8881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Covid will soon wipe out most

    • @whyme7996
      @whyme7996 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@macalister8881 most of the elderly who have "covid" as the cause of death, actually died from neglect.

    • @macalister8881
      @macalister8881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@whyme7996 yes the agenda is set , the machine is in motion

  • @ytubesucksazznow
    @ytubesucksazznow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +219

    doesn't matter how strong you make mental health laws,,, not everyone is mentally ill, who is evil.

    • @lindsy6723
      @lindsy6723 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There is a spirit behind everything in life's nature. It's either of God or not of God. Consider Jesus. 🙏

    • @chewyjello1
      @chewyjello1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well, this lady most definitely was.

    • @presidentialkingdom2201
      @presidentialkingdom2201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lindsy6723 sounds convenient.

    • @tallsygroth7727
      @tallsygroth7727 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So you’re saying they don’t need a psychiatrist but rather an exorcist?🤣😂🤣

    • @tallsygroth7727
      @tallsygroth7727 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lindsy6723 grow up😞 there is no god

  • @hydie0073
    @hydie0073 5 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I work as a geriatric nurse and I won't call it my job because I love it so much! I started at 19 then full time after school...This is more than I can comprehend...This just breaks my heart that anyone would even think of hurting/killing these patients who are some of our most vulnerable patients who depend on us for everything 😢 I've never believed in the death penalty but I have to say nurse's like her I struggle with my beliefs! These patients are loved by their families, they have feelings and emotions and how dare her decide to play God and end their lives and not think twice! Somebody please explain this to me...I do not understand how caregivers could do this! Babies and our elderly are among those who need and trust us for everything...This just breaks my heart! RIP to all those who were so unfortunate to cross paths with this physopath...I am so sorry...To the families my deepest sympathies ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

    • @Medietos
      @Medietos 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hear Trauma therapist Franz Ruppert on YT about perpetrators AND victims' strategies. Has it ever occurred to you that they are ill, deeply harmed?I must say, without apologizing her horrendous deeds,that the people around are at fault to. They could have seen she was unwell, we should see each other more. Not even priests and doctors do, mostly. You might also read the easy-to read book explaining this to you: Carolyn Myss: " The anatomy of teh Spirit" Or look at thebrief Chakra -center- descriptions and what can happen when we get sick(er) and they star spinning BACKwards, ( Dr L Wilson´'s Nutritional balancing science: Listen to his free lectures on what terrible symptoms and behaviour people get when severely biochemicvally oímbalanced and toxic with heavy metals, as well as how they heal when getting help to balance it.-digression, sorrry!) - free Chakra test with brief printable info on the cahkras = energy centers of the human being, and what can happen when they start spinning BACKwards. Eye-opening.

    • @Medietos
      @Medietos 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @LEZLIE WIAZOWSKA Is that all u have to say? Hope you get better.

  • @ifancymyselfmorethenothers8723
    @ifancymyselfmorethenothers8723 3 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    If she was energetic new nurse to that hospital imagine what their tired worn out nurses would look like 😳

  • @enigma......7132
    @enigma......7132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Wow that is some creepy poetry!
    RIP to those who lost their lives to this dangerous women.

  • @Eagles.Fan.Since.Super.Bowl.52
    @Eagles.Fan.Since.Super.Bowl.52 7 ปีที่แล้ว +457

    Her fart in the interrogation was ridiculous.

    • @Thisplaceisaprison3912
      @Thisplaceisaprison3912 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      Eagles Fan Since Super Bowl 52 she played trombone in high school and the interrogation room 😂

    • @timhick6
      @timhick6 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hahaha

    • @loveiskind23izamar
      @loveiskind23izamar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Eagles Fan Since Super Bowl 52 😭🤣

    • @OneMeanArtist
      @OneMeanArtist 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@pandamandimax It's in a different video, the one where she's being interrogated.
      th-cam.com/video/R69ZMvIqvGo/w-d-xo.html 47:36 lol

    • @countcaligari9072
      @countcaligari9072 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      That's why her gf said it didn't work out

  • @aliciakimpland3878
    @aliciakimpland3878 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    As an RN this is completely heart breaking and terrifying. I could never imagine harming one of my sweet elderly patients. Sick murderer.

    • @lynniekaye7513
      @lynniekaye7513 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thankful for nurses like you, and please keep a lookout for the criminal outliers

  • @tiastewart98
    @tiastewart98 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    And imagine.. she “only” got caught cause she told on herself. I’m sure she’s not the only one

    • @AnnaLVajda
      @AnnaLVajda 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah killed 8 not even suspected by other staff?

  • @davechristian7543
    @davechristian7543 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Im terrified of going to an old age home.. life can get scary when older trust me guys.. especially when alone like so many of us....

    • @SammyJoeLouis
      @SammyJoeLouis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gotta treat your kids right from day one so they come see you later.

    • @angrywaiterispitonyourfood9946
      @angrywaiterispitonyourfood9946 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just better not to have children. No pain ,suffering, old age, death and murder by evil devils like these.

  • @kittykatia754
    @kittykatia754 5 ปีที่แล้ว +734

    Why does she remind me of Danielle from 90 Day Fiance

    • @ashleyvance2096
      @ashleyvance2096 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Kitty Katia yesssss

    • @aidasija3982
      @aidasija3982 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Kitty Katia this is legendary lololol yesss

    • @cocochanel1399
      @cocochanel1399 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Most underrated comment thus far

    • @johnnyjonjohn8443
      @johnnyjonjohn8443 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      GIVE ME MY SEX NOW!!

    • @paigeeey54
      @paigeeey54 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lmaoooo

  • @thesmackdaddy9888
    @thesmackdaddy9888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    She looks as if you just gifted her Cup Cakes often enough your loved ones would be safe.

  • @jodysanders6445
    @jodysanders6445 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    My Mom was in elderly care; and I could sure tell which staff wanted to be there and who were just punching the clock... we owe these good caregivers a debt of gratitude

  • @caroshunia7095
    @caroshunia7095 4 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Still can’t believe she farted during interrogations like it was nothing no shame🤣

    • @mandywatts1743
      @mandywatts1743 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Where what time? I must hear this explosion

    • @PlatonicPurplePanda
      @PlatonicPurplePanda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Looks like she lit it rip a few times. 1:27:00 you can hear a loud one. I'm dying. :'D

    • @guardiansanimalrescuestate7289
      @guardiansanimalrescuestate7289 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And the detective said something about the pain in her stomach. Lol

    • @TeaOnTue
      @TeaOnTue 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PlatonicPurplePanda
      Um, the video is 22 minutes long :D how???

    • @annodomini7250
      @annodomini7250 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      such a shallow person you are.

  • @stacyholmes6719
    @stacyholmes6719 7 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    This makes me sick to my stomach. I lived two apartments down from Bethe. She officiated my wedding, and she was at my house all the time. She even adopted my dog. :( Breaks my heart for these families that have lost, including Bethes parents who will now have to almost grieve for their daughter.

    • @erinleslie5233
      @erinleslie5233 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Stacy Holmes wheres you dog now :/

    • @romaniereese4000
      @romaniereese4000 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Stacy Holmes did you used to smoke and do drugs with her ?? 🤔😂 hey im all for 420 🍀🌵

    • @erinleslie5233
      @erinleslie5233 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      did she ever seem disturbed? like she probably came over after killing somebody.

    • @stacyholmes6719
      @stacyholmes6719 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      She was different but I am not sure if I would use disturbed unless I never saw that side of her.

    • @jaydevannlisamarie4685
      @jaydevannlisamarie4685 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Stacy Holmes ...Hi there Stacy. I was just wondering.
      Is there a part of you that feels empathy for your old friend although she's accused of some unforgivable acts?...
      I've always been curious of this sort of thing that's all.
      For example, I've always wondered if a wife would automatically stop loving a husband if she found out he was a serial rapist, or a mother finding out her son was a molester....Extreme examples...but you get the picture lol....
      Psychology is interesting to me.

  • @owenoulton9312
    @owenoulton9312 5 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    I live in the Salvation Army's Grace Manor nursing home in Ottawa. Most nurses, including all the ones here, are caring, competent professionals. What this woman did was an atrocity, but it is definitely the exception. We must all be aware of the danger signs, but not be afraid of the boogey-man (or -woman)!

    • @angelathompson9105
      @angelathompson9105 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It really is not a rare occurrence. There are so many I have seen this for 19 years. It now is just a job. It's not a heart felt care of others.

    • @NOT_THE_BEETUS
      @NOT_THE_BEETUS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Owen Oulton thank you.

    • @ingloriousbetch4302
      @ingloriousbetch4302 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      My ex was a caregiver. I knew him and many others working at local nursing homes. They stole meds, neglected patients, money was always the bottom line, there were constant investigation with senior services. When my ex was caught stealing meds, a backpack full...he got fired then rehired within a month. It's way more common than you think

  • @mamamarianovits9029
    @mamamarianovits9029 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    That poem though... wow. Chills were sent up my spine while hearing it, made more intense with the realization that it was written by a real life monster and not merely written for a script or a fictional story.

  • @makeapennycry
    @makeapennycry 4 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    Her poems said “...what I did alone”. She didn’t even consider the patients persons.

    • @melaniel.7946
      @melaniel.7946 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oof, I didn't even catch that! Creepy.

    • @sherrix6881
      @sherrix6881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Melanie L. You didn’t catch it because there’s nothing to catch.

    • @JamieNicole1000
      @JamieNicole1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sherrix6881 EXACTLY, the patients didn't commit murder.. She did "alone"

    • @annerison
      @annerison 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      She's psychotic

  • @peacefreedom4930
    @peacefreedom4930 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    This is so upsetting. I’m struggling to find the words. I’m a nurse and I could never imagine harming a patient. We are there to protect and advocate for patients. The elderly and children are vulnerable populations. Maybe, extra care needs to be taken when hiring individuals who will care for those who can not speak up.
    I’m angry, disgusted, saddened, and confused. How was she allowed to get away with this for so long? I hope she is held accountable for her crimes.

  • @roncushman5004
    @roncushman5004 7 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    Annie Wilkes from "Misery" she fits the exact character, from looks to deeds.

    • @ladybug6184
      @ladybug6184 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Ron Cushman I was thinking the exact same thing, also knowing the plot from that book, I would like to know this woman's history before becoming a nurse!

    • @anitataylor4287
      @anitataylor4287 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Love that movie!

    • @hayleybourgault4114
      @hayleybourgault4114 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Your right!

  • @angML1
    @angML1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is why I want to take care of my parents when/ if needed. I worked in a retirement home and now I wonder why when I was only 19, so many patients requested my help and refused others. Scares me. I plan to go back and hopefully never ever encounter a nut bag like this woman. Our elderly lived extraordinary lives- you should hear some of the stories I’ve been told. They deserve so much more love and respect than this!!!

  • @PinkandBlue10123
    @PinkandBlue10123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Me: Wade is either drunk or high for this interview...
    Narrator: One evening she knocked on her neighbor’s door begging for some medial marijuana.
    Me: Whoop there it is 😂 right on

  • @barbierose6485
    @barbierose6485 6 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    her uniform top is "despicable me" at 10:08.she knew she was despicable.

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      @evademosthene6349 4 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @sof555
    @sof555 6 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    What did we learn today?
    Don't bully kids or they'll grow up to be serial killers

    • @jessekohler6000
      @jessekohler6000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ^Source? Lol Some people are just f***ed up I think it's wrong to put that stigma out there just because you think it makes sense. It's like saying someone who had to drink milk as a kid who really didn't like milk tend to go into butchery or meat producing jobs. It makes sense when you view it in such a way but really makes no sense any other way.

    • @duMaurier15
      @duMaurier15 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jaggirl shut your face up.

    • @kole1ful
      @kole1ful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don’t bully WHITE* kids

    • @Mrs.TJTaylor
      @Mrs.TJTaylor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or they grow up to be upstanding scientists and teachers and doctors and lawyers. . .

    • @Mrs.TJTaylor
      @Mrs.TJTaylor 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jag Girl Where did you learn that statistic? It sounds like you made it up. Factoid.

  • @nemonobody6011
    @nemonobody6011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    In this, as well as in other true crime shows' comment sections there are a lot of people commenting on the looks of the "bad person"...usually unkind words...and it sometimes makes me think that kind of words, that kind of mentality by people surrounding them, might have contributed to (and here I stress the word "some") of these people turning evil.
    I think being nice to others saves lives. I honestly do.

    • @bdjonx
      @bdjonx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Nemo Nobody you’re right. ❤️

    • @jdocean1
      @jdocean1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      True statement.

    • @FRLN500
      @FRLN500 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Are you saying that you will people if they don't speak kindly to you?

    • @thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527
      @thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Nah. Everybody’s gotten called ugly before and the vast majority of people don’t become murderers

    • @tommclarty17
      @tommclarty17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Nemo Nobody yes, it’s the internet comment section that made her do it.

  • @carowanjiku3126
    @carowanjiku3126 4 ปีที่แล้ว +309

    Who else is watching in 2019 ???

    • @gymbuddy32
      @gymbuddy32 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep. God only knows why

    • @basicgaming1619
      @basicgaming1619 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Who cares 😂

    • @LuigiTheItalian
      @LuigiTheItalian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      me. what do I win?

    • @kimmorgan7380
      @kimmorgan7380 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Me

    • @KingofHearts
      @KingofHearts 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bro this is not a music video for an early 2010s pop song.

  • @zochbuppet448
    @zochbuppet448 6 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Its a lot more scarier than the info they have here. She really wanted people to know and to be found out. She told several people what she did but none of them would do anything, or report it, they though she was execrating or making it up. She called that women she met online. She also told a priest, who told her to keep it quiet and don't tell anyone. We live in a society of sheep.

    • @pauldi7268
      @pauldi7268 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Natashya Mensing I think it was exaggerating

    • @starlingswallow
      @starlingswallow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Paul Di 👍🏻 thank you

  • @taylor2551
    @taylor2551 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    This makes me infuriated these are people’s family
    It doesn’t matter how old they are it will never reduce the pain of losing someone
    She is awful for this I am heartbroken for the families that lost their loved ones under her care
    Absolutely evil

  • @amberthibodeaux3668
    @amberthibodeaux3668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Moral of the story:
    DON'T TRUST NURSING HOMES WITH YOUR LOVED ONES.
    As a former RN...abuse to all ages occurs and its time to put it to an end. No one deserves this abuse.

  • @maryriley6163
    @maryriley6163 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That was some horrible poetry on many levels.

  • @taracoulson3244
    @taracoulson3244 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This is terrifying to have happened in the town I lived. My great grandmother was in Crescent care at the time she was. I feel so bad for the victims families. May their loved ones rest in peace.

  • @mreagle7194
    @mreagle7194 5 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Can you imagine this beast overlooking you as an elderly frail person just before this witch takes your life

    • @SammyJoeLouis
      @SammyJoeLouis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd rather go out in my own house than this

    • @wolloms
      @wolloms 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Many nurses look very similar to her, you better get used to it. Obesity is becoming the norm in the west.

  • @soozshooz
    @soozshooz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    7:20: “OK slow down here, let’s get to know each other!”
    7:26: ..They spent there 1st night together here at the Motel 6! 🧐

  • @ME-vb6pq
    @ME-vb6pq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    She looks like she would break wind during an interrogation! 😣

    • @christineharris-jones2288
      @christineharris-jones2288 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ME she actually did in the full interview @47:00 🤣🤣🤣 dropped the ol’wetlaufer

  • @atomicsnowflake
    @atomicsnowflake 7 ปีที่แล้ว +345

    I'm an RN and I work the nightshift in a nursing home 😬 I don't kill people though 😀👍🏼

    • @Raven.13
      @Raven.13 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      atomicsnowflake 🙌👍

    • @coralrain6332
      @coralrain6332 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      atomicsnowflake I hope not 😐

    • @ericf.1410
      @ericf.1410 5 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      atomicsnowflake that's what someone who was killing people would say 🤔🤔
      Stay woke

    • @pendejo6466
      @pendejo6466 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not yet anyway.

    • @markmnorcal
      @markmnorcal 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Think again.

  • @fijiwater6030
    @fijiwater6030 6 ปีที่แล้ว +595

    anyone else here from snarled?

    • @maiajarvis404
      @maiajarvis404 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Fiji Water ME!!!

    • @rachelrembecki5976
      @rachelrembecki5976 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yep!

    • @mmunro00
      @mmunro00 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Curiosity got the better of me too after that last story

    • @kittysavesyou
      @kittysavesyou 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Before anyone starts wondering "WHO TF BE THIS SNARLED?!" Here: th-cam.com/video/14l0OzSEnAw/w-d-xo.html

    • @bloodyvirgo9601
      @bloodyvirgo9601 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Me!😂😂

  • @l0veall
    @l0veall 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I used to cut the grass of that place. Crazy

  • @danteaguiar5763
    @danteaguiar5763 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Makes me sick. 😔

  • @pinkladiibug
    @pinkladiibug 5 ปีที่แล้ว +281

    She’s wearing minions scrubs.
    Cuff her. 🚔

  • @amandaluff122
    @amandaluff122 5 ปีที่แล้ว +617

    She looked like peter griffin in high school

    • @eternalreign2313
      @eternalreign2313 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Shut up Meg!

    • @menomeno69
      @menomeno69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Loool you are right

    • @ovalsealion7998
      @ovalsealion7998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Wait that wasn’t peter?

    • @two-moonz2953
      @two-moonz2953 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Show more respect that's a cartoon character you're talking about!

    • @ioo15yearsago57
      @ioo15yearsago57 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Omlll BHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • @peachylady
    @peachylady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This disgusting thing has been the reason why the College of Nurses has denied nursing students with mental illness (highly functional and capable) to take the nursing exam to be nurses.

    • @Agentscrange333
      @Agentscrange333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not true. If you are capable and it doesnt interfere with doing job

    • @peachylady
      @peachylady 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Agentscrange333
      Seeing as it happened to my friend, yes it is.

    • @Agentscrange333
      @Agentscrange333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It doesnt even ask us that on our carnal application. It asks do you have a mental or physical disability that might prevent you from providing safe care (not exact words) so unless she marked yes that her mental illness prevents her from providing safe care. As for the exam I didnt fill out a single thing except where I got my nursing degree from. Many nurse have bipolar depression schizophrenia that are being treated from their doctors. This simply isnt true.

    • @judepower4425
      @judepower4425 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Agentscrange333 What details do you put in a carnal application? Just wondering ....

    • @Agentscrange333
      @Agentscrange333 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@judepower4425 haha just saw that !!!. I meant CARNA. Our RN registration.

  • @misscritique84
    @misscritique84 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    7:31 I don't want to imagine the intimacy lol

    • @tenneillwhite849
      @tenneillwhite849 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Omg...ME NEITHER.......

    • @jacobjorgenson9285
      @jacobjorgenson9285 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I was hoping we could've avoided that subject all together, so thank you very much.... 🤣🤣

    • @rockstarofredondo
      @rockstarofredondo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yuck!

    • @Tskissme22
      @Tskissme22 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Can u imagine...they probably just made out laying on their sides...cuz if either get on top its instant death for whom ever is on the bottom...im sure they were sweating n pussycats smelling like pig feet

    • @ShanCloud
      @ShanCloud 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Just picture two big balls of pizza dough swirling around in a mixer

  • @bibzlouise6911
    @bibzlouise6911 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    How evil can you be ?! Like seriously ?! They were moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas, even more than that they were just innocent vulnerable people. I send thoughts and prayers to the families of her victims, I can’t imagine their heartache.

  • @madison3514
    @madison3514 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I worked as a CNA at a skilled nursing facility and the amount of neglect, borderline (if not total) abuse that goes on is horrifying.

    • @Stark_dan97
      @Stark_dan97 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree with you! I did this work I was assaulted on the job by a resident! The facility has since been shut down by the state I live in! I haven’t returned as a CNA/caregiver ever since!

  • @jonkline709
    @jonkline709 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    That girlfriend for the night had some very good vibes

  • @InfinityStone-fj2mr
    @InfinityStone-fj2mr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    I’m here for the comments, u ppl are killing me😝

    • @mandywatts1743
      @mandywatts1743 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Go read email now.

    • @Foxy-lz1et
      @Foxy-lz1et 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too

    • @nicolerommel8979
      @nicolerommel8979 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      same! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @GypsyGirl317
      @GypsyGirl317 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol 😂 are you dead yet? 🤔 😜🙆🏻‍♀️

  • @LolLol-su1ju
    @LolLol-su1ju 5 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    I am sure this happening every country and right now somewhere...

  • @neuralmute
    @neuralmute 7 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    She's not even the only one in Southern Ontario. Someone needs to investigate suspicious deaths in Essex County. I deeply fear that someone much like this reprehensible woman killed my Grandfather, but can do nothing about it, as there's no concrete evidence, and there was no autopsy. What's a member of the general public to do?

    • @zoevtapas
      @zoevtapas 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      neuralmute did you not ask for an autopsy? I don't know about the policies involved with that, costs etc. I know that the authorities don't normally do an autopsy how much there's a reason believe there's Foul Play involved. somewhere thing happened with my uncle who passed away alone in his apartment period still not a hundred percent sure what he passed up but we did not request an autopsy.

    • @zoevtapas
      @zoevtapas 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      neuralmute thank you, condolences to you as well.i recently lost my mother, will never get over it...
      My uncle was a bit of a recluse as he got more sick, pills etc. He was a guitarist and made jewellery. Things were missing, like a laptop. I believe he passed of natural circumstances, but was there for days. Who knows. I have his dog now, poor guy.

    • @lilliealbert3548
      @lilliealbert3548 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      neuralmute get an autopsy, get all medical records and get an attorney and go from there...

    • @neuralmute
      @neuralmute 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It seems I forgot one important detail - we followed Gramps' wishes, and he was cremated, before we, his family, became aware of the suspicious circumstances around his death. So no autopsy is possible. Just very uncomfortable questions.

    • @anamira2908
      @anamira2908 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you pay for an autopsy...?

  • @melindamorrison1
    @melindamorrison1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My Grandpa died abruptly in a nursing home more than 20 years ago. I learned after his death that he told a couple of my family members just before he died that he was afraid of his nurse and said that she was abusive. He mentioned being worried about bath time and said that he feared drowning or being drowned. it makes me sad and angry.

  • @sistahlamb
    @sistahlamb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    As a RN I couldn't imagine doing something like this. I also worked night shift at a nursing home several years ago with only myself, another LPN, and a handful of CNAs for the whole facility. I can see how she got away with these crimes for as long as she did. Most people in nursing homes have DNR directives because of their age and medical conditions, plus with no real supervision, access to the drugs, patients' families aren't always there, and no autopsies, yeah its relatively easy to commit a murder I would think. There's no way those deaths were accidental due to her being high on drugs, she had to have planned it. I couldn't say what her motive was but I think she must have enjoyed killing for her to have done it that many times. Nursing homes everywhere aren't near as regulated as they need to be. The people who have to go to them are completely dependent on their care and they deserve better care than what they get. Lord help me if I ever end up in one.

  • @sOnlight67
    @sOnlight67 7 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    There is no way my mother would have ever been placed in a nursing home. She took care of me, and we, her six children took very good care of her when her time came. ❤💓💕💖💗💘💝💞💟

    • @sOnlight67
      @sOnlight67 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Andrey I agree with you. ❤

    • @irenelazar1779
      @irenelazar1779 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Juneann Irene I respect you 🌸

    • @irenelazar1779
      @irenelazar1779 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Juneann Irene that's what I did to my mother till last minute, but the hospital end her life on their way

    • @sOnlight67
      @sOnlight67 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Irene Lazar I am so sorry! 😢 How did that happen?

    • @larahilton7417
      @larahilton7417 6 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      I too look after my mother now but I feel the tone of the above comments to be a little judgemental. Caring for an elderly parent with dementia is a different level of caring altogether. Sometimes, as you’re not a qualified nurse you can’t keep your parent safe. For example, if your children or their friends leave a door open when playing your relative will just wander off and get lost, walk into a road whatever.
      There are so many different layers to a healthy family life. Having seen my mother care for my grandmother at our family home I wouldn’t want my children’s health and happiness to be jeopardise like it was sometimes for us. My mother was incredible, such a wonderful daughter, mother and wife but she was utterly exhausted and cut off from parts of normal life. It was twenty four hours a day.
      My grandmother, had she been able to comprehend the situation would never have wanted that for her daughter.
      The reality is that sometimes a parent with dementia can be aggressive, selfish and reckless. Aspects of behaviour are not conducive to a healthy family life. Like turning on the gas constantly. Good parenting is about finding the best solution for everyone.
      So don’t judge. Most people want the best for their parents. In an ideal world we’d all be able to care for our parents in their old age. But for those who can’t, don’t make a painful decision more painful than it already is. I know my mother felt trapped at times as she felt such an enormous sense of duty to her parents. At times I worried that it was at the expense of her life.

  • @grandmav
    @grandmav 5 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Her poems are that of a psychopath!!!

    • @tammyileene4060
      @tammyileene4060 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep.

    • @justsayin3647
      @justsayin3647 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      grandmav2014 Anybody can sit down and make a rhyme. It could be loving., happy, offensive, whimsical, or gruesome. It’s called writing. It doesn’t mean someone is a psychopath anymore than it would mean they are a saint.

    • @mandywatts1743
      @mandywatts1743 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You think so? I loved em.

    • @JuicedUpLemon
      @JuicedUpLemon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mandywatts1743 Pretty elementary, dont you think? End rhyme with no trace of symbolic imagery.😩

    • @thecalmwayhome8483
      @thecalmwayhome8483 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      She was definitely a sociopath.

  • @a.m6160
    @a.m6160 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I"m an RN. She worked in Long Term Care , because she was an LPN. She also picked that career , and the night shift because it was the perfect clientale and the perfect shift to steal drugs and kill residents.

    • @Zee-ob1pe
      @Zee-ob1pe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No, in an interview she stated she was an rn. Believe it or not, some rns like long term care facility.

    • @thecalmwayhome8483
      @thecalmwayhome8483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Even if she was an LPN, she's still a nurse. You being an RN does not exclude you or any other nurse from murdering innocent people. Nurses eat their own, so your comment doesn't surprise me.

  • @sinjimsmythe9577
    @sinjimsmythe9577 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    “She was the goalie for the hockey team”
    I wonder what specific skills she had that attracted the hockey coach to the very overweight woman while he searched for a goalie for a small goal 😂

  • @jerrygholer9564
    @jerrygholer9564 7 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Power over the poor and weaks... Just thinking about it makes me sick

  • @BerryFrankie
    @BerryFrankie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    never trust someone who stays at the motel 6...

  • @jezebel324
    @jezebel324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    She ended up confessing to all charges in June 2017, both in police interrogation and of her own volition, although she maintained that God, or even the devil, put her to it. She’s serving eight concurrent life terms in prison.

  • @cyndiwhite6749
    @cyndiwhite6749 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    That poetry gives me the chills !
    Doesn’t seem like it came from any normally balanced person 🙁

    • @janepatton8100
      @janepatton8100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The worth and dignity of a soul is measured by what it delights in! And delight/happiness is our highest desire.
      Men have killed to have it. Kings have gone mad trying to find it. Wars have served it. Affairs have worshiped it. We all seek it.
      Sadly, billions have died without discovering its secret... namely, that joy is not an it, but a He.
      The Gospel is the good news that sinners can delight in a Holy God. It's the good news that all of our deepest desires are satisfied in the ONE who sent His Son to bring us to Him.
      God is so valuable and so satisfying that the most loving thing he could do for us is to make Himself gloriously indispensable. He is the only being in the universe for whom self-exaltation is the highest virtue.
      Therefore, God's commitment to be glorified and our goal to be satisfied are not at odds but come to simultaneous consumation in the worship of His Son... who took upon Himself the Wrath that God had towards us in our sinful disregard of Him. A wrath that could never be appeased through man-made religion.
      Jesus didn't die to turn the world into a paradise, he died so that we could stop seeking paradise in the world...
      Temporal things such as beauty, popularity, money, sex, racial identity, gender reassignment... can never truly satisfy. BECAUSE WE WERE MADE FOR SO MUCH MORE!
      We were made to gaze intently into the Eternal Beauty of a majestic King, Father, and God... meet Jesus the Christ.
      Life is hard, God is good, Glory is coming
      😊... Thanks for taking the time to read this comment.
      May God bless you with all things necessary for life and goodness.
      God Bless!

  • @bananka4905
    @bananka4905 7 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    i dont appreciate the negative comments towards nurses on here. there are plenty of awesome women and men who are nurses and work very hard looking after your parents. you cant take a couple of bad apples and judge them all. i am shocked at these comments.

    • @roselana629
      @roselana629 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anna Kcmb thank you Anna

    • @danieltanner8762
      @danieltanner8762 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      When it comes to the internet you shouldn’t be shocked there’s a lot of stupid people out there

    • @eternalreign2313
      @eternalreign2313 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What are you hiding Anna? You sound guilty of something .... haha j/k, just busting your chops. Welcome to the internet.

    • @georgia3596
      @georgia3596 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know a cop who says thee same thing

    • @angelathompson9105
      @angelathompson9105 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Guess what you dont like it that this lady should be exposed. You may be just like her. If you are different than her then why not make no comment. Most nurses I have observed in my job are nasty, hardened careless persons. Only two RN nurses and one LPN were truly good caring persons. So I agree we all have a voice to tell what is going on in the workplace.

  • @CentsMy10
    @CentsMy10 7 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Typical predators; the ones you least expect.

  • @dirtywetdogboatsandsailing6805
    @dirtywetdogboatsandsailing6805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Who remembers Beverly Allitt in the UK ?

    • @nadinerelihan807
      @nadinerelihan807 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Didn’t she end up in a mental hospital or something like that? I recently watched a documentary about her.... what an evil human

    • @dirtywetdogboatsandsailing6805
      @dirtywetdogboatsandsailing6805 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nadinerelihan807 Yes, Rampton i think.

    • @Ristina81
      @Ristina81 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s how I got to this video. By watching one on her.

    • @guardiansanimalrescuestate7289
      @guardiansanimalrescuestate7289 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nadinerelihan807 no she went to prison. But maybe they did an evaluation

  • @miscellanyman263
    @miscellanyman263 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Wettlaufer’s divorced hubby: “Oh my Lord! She murdered all those innocent people because of her anger at me?”

    • @pce-sz1gi
      @pce-sz1gi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That hippo actually found someone to marry her. Unreal.

  • @anon4041
    @anon4041 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    It wasn't her place to play God regardless of the age and mental capacity of the elderly people she killed. If she didn't say anything, it would have been a long time until she was caught.

    • @eternalreign2313
      @eternalreign2313 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Right? God is doing just fine all on his own killing innocent people everyday. I mean when he's not sitting idly by watching kids get abused and molested day after day. That's full time work right there. We don't need anymore monsters.

    • @jenjohnson-wagner6556
      @jenjohnson-wagner6556 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Eternal Reign ..ahhh that’s not God doing the it’s the devil. God expects us to know the Bible and live by morals when we don’t ..don’t blame God.

    • @Medietos
      @Medietos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@eternalreign2313 God doesn't kill, he gave us the greatest gift in the universe: Ability to (evolve into) acting out of free will,instead of instinct, egoism etc , the choice btw good and evil, and conscience, I, and thinking capacity as well as heart and will to manage ourselves and develop voluntarily according to our divine potential.Healthy, happy ppl don't harm others. I know the feeling of wanting to be a child and getting everything laid uout for me to manage and practice clearly and well. but that is not right, i wouldn'nt want it really. Imagine we had np choice but to be good. Would that be being good? I dont think so.
      The first and only monster to be killed or transformed is the one inside.

    • @symonelopez-mondy8946
      @symonelopez-mondy8946 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@eternalreign2313 you cant blame God for you or anyone elses free will.

  • @charlyalthouse1820
    @charlyalthouse1820 6 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Someone “professional” kills, its stress related... anyone else kills, it murder.. wth?

    • @bethoumyvision1346
      @bethoumyvision1346 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I am in nursing school and can attest that many of them are miserable people who go into the field for money and power. I’m dreading having to work in a hospital setting for my skills before going to hospice where it is a lot better in terms of atmosphere.

    • @mhrgall
      @mhrgall 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @gbmpyzochwfdisurjklvanetxq are you blaming all of this on women?

  • @ontoyoualways9183
    @ontoyoualways9183 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am an RN. I can't imagine not only the impact upon patients/families but co-workers. How traumatic! How frightening. How devastating.

  • @Oona707
    @Oona707 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love that this gives all the victims faces. So sad for so many people 😢😞💔

  • @skantea
    @skantea 7 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    This lady...I don't like this lady.

    • @brianprinty112
      @brianprinty112 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      skantea She's no lady. She's the monster in the closet and under the bed

    • @gluehigh416
      @gluehigh416 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      skantea I don't like the victim's children even more! They could have prevented this!

    • @anitataylor4287
      @anitataylor4287 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      She's no lady!!

    • @adamdaichendt3098
      @adamdaichendt3098 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shes the monster under the monsters bed

  • @rachelrembecki5976
    @rachelrembecki5976 6 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    I know I'm gonna get yelled at but I came here because of Sapphire from Snarled. She did a video of a story from a boy who's mom that dated Elizabeth and Elizabeth tried to kill the kid by sushi cooked with peanut oil and his mom immediately broke up with her.

  • @kittyrichardson68
    @kittyrichardson68 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing these shows.

  • @IrenaDeacon
    @IrenaDeacon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anyone who harms the helpless. Children or elderly...doesnt deserve to even live ....