Ducati Multistrada V4 vs. BMW R1250GS | Battle of the Giants (Part 1 of 3)
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- IMPORTANT: I'm combining parts 2 and 3 where we go off road, finish the road trip, and share our conclusions/findings - coming next week (February 6)! Also, a full in-depth technical review of the Multistrada (like my normal reviews) is coming February 13th! Stay tuned!
This is part 1 of a comparison test between the Ducati Multistrada V4 and the BMW R1250GS. We duke it out in the USA Desert Southwest to find out which bike reigns supreme. #motorcycle #motorbike #ducati #bmw #multistrada #r1250gs #route66
00:00 Intro
06:18 Ducati Controls
10:04 Leaving Idyllwild
14:31 Multistrada Vibration
15:51 Adaptive Cruise Control
16:56 Ducati Freeway
18:25 Ducati Quickshifter
19:25 Initial Comparison
23:04 Ducati Acceleration
25:20 GS Comfort!
28:15 MPG Comparison
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My bad. Wrong place, wrong time. My apologies
Brandon here: One observation as the miles progressed. The MPG variance between the two bikes seemed to grow at some of the later stops (further in the GS' favor). I think it's safe to say the GS could be as much as 10% better in some circumstances.
As Ian mentioned, the larger fuel capacity of the Multistrada helps restore some of the potential range disadvantage of it being a thirstier motor.
These are big power, heavy, upright bikes at the end of the day, so not the ultimate choices for fuel efficient motorcycling.
thanks for chiming in. let's do more comparison tests.
Any MPG differences while offroad? I find my 1290 ADV will suffer MPG into the low 30s for any kind of riding that is biased towards 1st/2nd gear, especially offroad. This can make a big difference when riding to a remote offroad location.
@@BigRockMoto agreed, both of you work well together and bounce off each others humour. Maybe even do some videos like RevZilla. If the funds are available, maybe fly to a different city and buy two used bikes and ride them back home and give them a review.
@Chad Seguin Hard to say based on our limited dirt time which was spent in the mid to higher gears. It was after this portion of the trip that the variance grew slightly.
I suspect you're right and the difference may be greater on the Ducati (higher consumption in the lower gears) because it's not as happy at low revs. The 1250 has a big torque and power delivery (easy) advantage even at the lowest RPMs.
One thing I observed is that your eyebrows spin at different rpms, during that Starbucks talk.
I always make fun of my wife for bringing all that stuff on trips.Then i'm the one who always needs it.
Very fun to hear two friends having some fun. Really enjoyed this and looking forward to parts 2 and 3.
I really enjoyed this comparison test of the two adventure bikes Ian, and it's always better it seems when have other peoples prospective views when you're comparing side by side and test riding two different bikes such as these two amazing machines. I love this type of content Ian!
Thank you Ian for all your hard work bringing thiese videos love to watch them!❤
Glad you like them!
Thanks guys, already looking forward to the next instalment!
You bet!
Lovely to see you guys having fun! Thank you for the work you do. Love your gear too by the way. Looking at getting the Klim Baha S4 jacket soon.
Some observations from my side.
6th gear, 50 mph and you open the throttle at/below 3500 rpm, right. But the main thing is why do that 🙃 Just drop a gear or two with the fabulous quick shifter and disappear mate.
It’s perfectly fine at low rpm but don’t keep her in 6th gear at such low rpm, it’s not meant for that. Keep the gear/s and rpm low and she chugs along perfectly well.
It’s not that she doesn’t like low rpm or low speeds, you have to match the rpm with the gear/speed and there are no issues whatsoever. For slow speed running, if that’s what you want to do, put it in Urban mode and see how docile she becomes and will chug along easily in city traffic.
You need the touring windshield which is available as an official accessory, no need for the add on windshield you have.
The button on the right side is to switch on the low headlight beam if you have the automatic lights switched off in settings. When you start the bike, the DRL switches on, then press the light switch and it puts the low beam on, bike needs to be running at the time or it does nothing.
Disclaimer - Multistrada V4S owner 😊
Cheers
Well all can say is hurry up and get part 2 out, I really enjoyed this, particularly the fun wth Brandon who cracks me up
Ok, I subscribed. This was awesome! Watched tons of your vids and you are doing an awesome job!
Great comparison Ian, as a former Multi V4S owner this brings a smile to my face, definitely a Ducati thing with not being happy in the low revs. Also you can keep the ignition turned to on and & there's the power button on the handlebar (front brake side) so you don't have to keep turning that knob on/off, both are great bikes
Excellent video. Love this format. By the way, I just rode through some of the same route you’re on.
Having owned both bikes for around 20k miles. I can say that at 6' 2" with the standard screens (unlike this test), the airflow is far better on the Ducati at freeway speeds, and both are better than my current Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer. And if you can get 200 miles out of the Ducati between refills, I'll eat my Arai! Good test - keep up the good work!
We did get about 200 miles, or close
Ride On, Enjoy eating your Arai !!!
I agree.. I have the new 1200 Rally Explorer, and for people our height the windscreen just doesn’t cut it.. I was thinking of adding the same deflector Ian mounted to the Ducati (made by Puig, I believe). Have you done anything to alleviate the buffeting? Thx!
My tiger lasted less than a year. Put off so much heat
@@BigRockMoto you guys must have had much more restraint twisting the throttle as I have had. I do good for a little while whenever I say I'm going to ride normal for a full tank to see what range I can get, but then that all goes out the window the first time I have to pass someone. Fuel range goes to $h!t from there! Lol!
Great video, love the humor and the great info 👍
Highly awaited this comparison! Keep up the great work! From Cnd 🇨🇦
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video. Love watching these adventures
Can’t wait for your Scrambler review coming up!! Keep up the good work Ian, I love watching your channel so much!! Greetings from Argentina
Great video. Informative and super entertaining. I came from a Ducati Monster and had to get something more upright. Test rode older GS and Multistrada. I ended up with a 2021 Pan America just as they were coming on the market. Never had a HD before and living in central Wisconsin dealer network played a role in my decision, which has turned out well for me. I’m really liking the direct comparison in your video and the banter.
Great installment. I look forward to the following ones. Especially after seeing Brandon's look of eager excitement at the prospect of riding 550lb bikes in 5 miles of dirt. Or was it 30 miles of sand somehow overlooked? Party on.
I like the humour in the video. Mates out for a ride taking the piss out of one another !! Great video as always
I debated for a year for exactly these two bikes and last week decided on the Multi V4$, same color as the one on the video and could not be happier! thx for the video¡
“He’s already getting ready to die” that killed me 😂
Great winter ride, I’ll have to be a bit more patient with our Canadian wx. Great vid, thanks,cheers 🍺
Cialis so you don't roll outta bed in the middle of the night! 😂😂😂 That's hilarious, I'm howling. That joke didn't get enough of a reaction. That's gold
Big Rock Moto-
Really enjoy the content, editing quality, and honest comparison reviews.
Just getting started [from zero experience] with a 2017 F800 GSA.
Learning a lot from your channel.
Safe travels! Looking forward to future content.
Ever consider collaboration with FTA adventure…?
Nice vid!
I have a 2022 Multi V4s myself, and i have had five big GS''s, the last one being a 1250 GSA.
About consumption, i have found a similar result as you:
Driving normally, the Multi is not far behind the GS.
Conserning comfort / suspension:
Did you play around with the suspension settings on the Duc?
Put it in the softest setting front & back, reduce the preload manually in the menu and you have one very comfy bike.
The number of combinations you can make in the suspension / preload department on the Multi is just amazing, and something the GS lacks.
Both are fantastic bikes, and imho, the two best adv bikes on the market.
The Ducky just has a little bit of KLR in it, below 4k revs. ;)
It's surprising, but you're not inaccurate.
Your winter looks better than our winter here in yorkshire
Ian, you just made me buy a nice 2022 BMW 1250 GS and I love it. Bought it from a really nice gentlemen below the hill where you live. Selling my KTM 1250 Super Adventure and Honda Goldwing. Love the KTM, but at 77 the seat height is getting more difficult for me to deal with. The GS is pretty awesome. I ride in your area frequently.
Great video. I find the “keyless ride” technology that still requires a key a head scratcher. I look forward to the next instalment
I have the 2021 R1250GSA and it is a great bike and if I could only have one bike this would be it. You say its the most comfortable bike for long rides you’ve ever tested but I’d have to give that to my 2021 Honda Goldwing Tour DCT.
So far it looks like the Tiger is a nice fit between the two!
Love the bantering of two friends, totally unscripted and totally real. Looking forward to the other two episodes.
The opening preparation footage of the ducati guy was funny. I used to ride with a super slow/ultra-prepared guy like that too. Everyone was constantly waiting for him! LMAO
I'm in shock!! I've been scouring makes and models for another ADV style touring motorcycle and these two are in the top 5 spots. The only downside for the BMW is their "low maintenance" shaft drive is now more labor intensive than a chain... The blind spot protection is fantastic to have. I test rode a Triumph Tiger with the blind spot detection in the metro DC/Northern VA area and it was just amazing how well it worked. As for range, well, the BMW can come with a larger tank, the MS, you get what you get. Awesome content on this!!
You guys have some funny chemistry 😂
Excellent review Ian. Btw…”route” and “root” are pronounced the same here in 🇬🇧 so the joke works even better! Safe travels 💪
Can’t wait for the next one.
One of your best videos !!!
Surprising mpg numbers there, I thought the Ducati would be a gas guzzler but it's less than 5% down on the GS, with both having similar tank range. The Multistrada's mpg would probably drop a ton once you start using all the power at the top end.
Big rock moto rocks. Can't wait for the rest of this series. Thanks for all the effort. I was leaning towards GS due to efficiency. I guess you debunked that myth.
Great video, wonderful comparison, and lots of laughs. I own a 2022 Multi V4S. It's an amazing machine but will throw a lot of heat off the engine in the summer in slow or stop and go traffic. I will say however that I have zero vibration in my mirrors at any speed. It was interesting to hear that come up as an issue. I have ridden the BMW and love it as well. Two incredible but different machines.
Great video! Your friend reminds me of Charles Grodin from Steve Martin's "The Lonely Guy".
Great video. Living the deam ...What size puig deflector did you opt for? Thanks!
Nice video. Brandon has amazing eyebrows control! He could be a hit on TikTok 😀
Top video.Thks.
This was a really good video Ian! I enjoyed the insights both of you had, and of course the bantering back and forth. A couple of weeks ago I finally test drove an 2023 R1250 GS. Two things I noticed in my test drive (which you also mentioned), was just how silky smooth the GS is at speed. It felt like riding on a cloud. The other thing is the quick shifter - not as smooth and definitely a little clunky, unless you rev it up quite a bit. At slower speeds, it's definitely not as smooth. Anyway, great video and looking forward to the next installment.
Couldn't agree more.
I weep for the man that has to replace his high tech Ducati mirrors
Hi, can you comment on the use of your Klim adventure helmet. Always wondering if these types of helmets are good/appropriate for freeway riding... Is helmet brim interfering in anyway in high speed? Perhaps it helps with sun glare in your face? What's your opinion? Thanks much!
Great video.
Been riding Harley’s for 30 year. Had one goldwing and a 800 gsa. Just bought a 1250 gsa. May be the best bike I’ve ridden. Only have a couple thousand miles on it but I get it.
More content like this please, like do a vid on the CRF 300L and the KLX 300. That would be awesome.
The light button does do something - it toggles between DRL (Daytime running lights) vs standard low beams. Also the V4S normally comes with a standard windscreen instead of that shorty on this one. I quickly opted for the touring windscreen on my V4S and it made a huge difference! Regarding the vibration in the mirrors you've experienced I'm really curious why because I don't experience any vibs in my mirrors at all...
The light button also will turn on/off the Ducati accessory driving lights (if added) by holding the button for 2-3 seconds.
And we would have preferred that standard windscreen for sure! Surprisingly, even as-is (shorty), the wind management was reasonable and not punishing on the long high-speed stretches.
The light switch also turns the auxiliary lights on and off if they are fitted
Quick question, what size windscreen visor are you using from Puig?
On the gs how much would the maintenance/repair bills be in 5 to 10 years ? I've got a 1150r that has 43000 miles on it and everything from the engine back needs overhauled costing more than the bikes worth. Now the paint or finish on the inside of the gas tank has come loose and all the wiring and fuel pump has rotted away . Tank repairs/replacement ,new fuel pump and wiring? Beautiful bike loved the engine hated the suspension but no matter now ,there she sits , full of good memories .
Nice tunes!
Speaking of Highway pegs on the Ducati and coming from being a 1200 GSA owner … But now also 23’ Multistrada owner, the GIVI crash bars with added Wunderlich swing out highway pegs is incredible (they’re extra forward and low). Being 6’4”, the Ducati is not better in a couple of ways for long distance touring comfort but the highway peg assisted leg comfort I have now the best I’ve ever ridden for any adventure bike in the last 15 years.
thanks!
BMW CARDAN INSPECTION ( DRIVE SHAFT ) DRAIN PLUG FITTED. More than a few people that have had the rubber check valve installed are saying that it fits very loose and one person said his got pushed inside the drive housing and is just laying in there. Another said they are junk and fall off, and ''mines has now fell inside the runner bungs are rubbish", ''the rubber valve they install is crap, any external pressure dislodges the valve internally leaving an open hole. There seems to be no lip on the outside to prevent it from being pushed inside. I was thinking if this is the case, perhaps some black silicone seal would be a good idea which would be easy to do. What do you think? Should we just plug it back up or use a silicone to make it stay put? Thank You!!
Hey what’s the strip on the tank down near the seat on the gsa ?
Great review Ian! I owned a GS, and have ridden the Duck.. I ended up purchasing the new Tiger 1200 RE, which seems to sit right between the two.
Good choice!
I have zero interest in adventure bikes at my present age and riding conditions. So the fact that I watched this video and the follow up 2+3 without skipping is a ode to the synergy of these two gentleman. When I'm an old salty rider I will revisit this genre.
I would love to see a review of the Honda x adv 750 to really see an in depth video on it, you would be the best guy to do a video on it. I'm European and its a very popular bike here, thats why would love to see you drive one.
Have you done a drop test with he multistrada? I'm trying to see how well the oem guards protect the bike.
Brutal Trash Talk MC - That is the name of your new gang!
Due to increasing age and short legs I bought the Multi V2S after three GSs (all good bikes), the last a GSA. Despite the lower hp and torque I think it’s a hugely underrated bike because it’s very light and economical but it’s a road biased bike. Only thing I’d like in Europe is a heated seat, I’m based in northern England and the blind spot mirrors, we have very busy highways. Puig touring windshield solves the buffeting, higher and wider.
The V2s is around 500lbs.
@@anxiousapplianceI moved down from a 1250 GSA, 45kg heavier, the V2 is light compared to the big adventure bikes and it’s very noticeable on the road, I wouldnt’t take a V2 off road.
Hello again Ian. This is Alan from Simi Valley (Kawasaki Versys 650). I did a review of my Versys on my channel (Retired Al Fixall). I was wondering about the seat cover you use on your beautiful GS 1250. Who makes it and what do you think of it? Thanks!
What is the brand of that windshield extender? The buffeting is my only criticism of the GS.
I’d love to hear more about your thoughts on the 1250gs v the 1250gs adventure.
Agreed. Especially after going back and forth. I contemplate every day if I want to switch to the Adventure.
Up early watching Big Rock.
awesome!!!
Nice video. Considering buying the Ducati actually. Just curious, what highway speeds were you doing to have range of 229miles on the Ducati (sorry I know we do not buy ducati for good fuel consumption 😅)
Yes!!!! Stuff like this!
I'll be looking for a bigger bike to make longer trips this spring. Currently riding a CB500X with the full Rally Raid kit. The GS-A is at the top of the list. I am looking at others though.
@BigRockMoto have you done a more recent comparison of the GS and GSA after getting this new GS?
I’ve got a GSA love its looks, wind protection and how it rides but at 6ft I find it so much higher than the GS. I keep mine on (Min) height and still find it tall compared to the GS and V-strom 1050xt. Duck walking backwards the GSA is so much harder on gravel, mud or a slight incline I might go for the GS next. Also found the GSA bouncier than my V-Strom 1050XT which was quite stiff, more sporty I’d say. The GSA is very plush even with suspension on Dynamic (sporty) mode which is good for long more upright riding. The extra weight I think 269kg makes it feel more planted when on motorways and with crosswinds.
Hi Ian,
I've a R1200GS TE Rallye 2018 here in the UK. I have toured on it in the UK and Europe and the only negative is the wind buffeting and noise when cruising high speed. I am 5'10" and wear a Shoei NeoTecII helmet. It's not practical or comfortable to hunker down behind the screen, so I was interested in the wind deflector you were using in this video. Are you able to advise the make and model of deflector? Thanks.
Enjoying the videos and content, so please keep it up.
yes, it's a Puig clip on, size medium, it works great. the link should be in my video description
The pills, the gear, you had me in tears with those burns 😂
Congratulation, the gas price is 2.16 $ per liter, while it is at 1.94 $ per liter for comparable premium in my part of germany.
100%. No question a wonderful channel for all things adventure. Tarmac or otherwise. Thank you. Life’s short. Just buy the bike! ATAGTT. Spoiler alert. I’m smitten with the GSA.
Well said!
I am curious, when you bought your GS; What pushed you away from purchasing another GSA? Thanks for all of your content! I am partial to the BMW videos.
Nice bikes.
Why are sleeves so long on the Klim? It’s uncomfortable I keep extending my arms forward to try and pull it back but unless you’re a basketball player you’ll probably find them annoyingly long.
The Multistrada is $45,000 new in Australia. Drive one out of the showroom and the market price drops like a stone. The other reason to buy the Beemer is dealer support. There is only one manufacturer that does it better and that's Honda. And here the top speed limit is 110kph and severely enforced, so what's the point of 170hp anyway when your mate on a 125 with 13hp can almost keep up with you.
Its obvious you have not spend much time piloting a v4s Multistrada
I used to ride moto 100 years ago. I want a dual sport. Probably 70/30. I'm 6'3' and 215. Live on east coast but will make it out your way. Recommendations for dual sport motorcycle? My budget is about 10-15K and would like a used motorcycle so I don't flip out when I drop it.
Hi Ian what size is that puig windscreen deflector? Thanks
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hey! I was in amboy a few days ago!
Man this is extraordinarly funny 😂 I never knew Ian is insanely hilarious 😂 man this is a wrap 😂 thanks Ian 😂 Brandon - big rock moto crash dummy ? For reals ? 😂 lordy lord 😂👌🏻🤣
Hey! Mesh pants with waterproof liner is the official winter riding uniform of us Arizonans 😂
Sir kindly please do review of Royal Enfield Meteor -650 cc cruiser bike as it had already launched world wide also may be available in Usa as i think so if sorry if I am wrong .
What size is your Puig visor…they come in small , med and lg…
I own a 1200 GS (2018)
Thanks for your informative vids
I’m from the Toronto area
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I haven’t heard anything that would get me off my KTM 1290 SAS. Thoughts?
Whats the comparative knee bend while freeway cruising on each machine? asking for a friend with a bum knee.
Almost the same. Very neutral
Very nice 💪🏻❤️🇧🇬
Great stuff thinking on. Gs for second bike from my Harley ultra. Not sure gs or gsa 🤓😎🏍💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦
Before i even start watching this, This is a TUFF COMPETITION!. Both is such great and bikes and usually i don't mind gas consumption (wich im sure will come up in this video) on motorcycles but i think it is just too high on the Ducati, especially with Swedish gas prices.. I know many others have complained about it also and that is the main reason i keep my BMW..
That’s a revelation on the fuel consumption, after 2 years of hearing the Ducati is bad on fuel.
I’ve gotta say I’ve never found the Ducati to be bad, and it was even better once the full akro pipe was fitted. But I’m sure it may differ a little more between the two bikes when calving cannons, or revving.
I loved the GS, but I didn’t choose it because it just felt asthmatic when pushing the revs, such as when passing a line of cars uphill. Whereas the Ducati seems to relish those events.
500x rider here. The acceleration on those is insane! All things considered though, my mileage is quite a bit better and my bike costs less than half as much so you guys enjoy those big bikes!
Spot On! I love the 500X!
Well the 500 is less than half the size of the ducati engine. And you could very nearly get 3 cb500x for the price of these 2 .
Which is better for city traffic?
GS 1250 vs crf1100l AT honda?
I will be spending 60 mins in slow city traffic 4 times a wk and then
3days on inter state highways
I'd get the Honda with DCT for city traffic
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Question, I have a 2023 Aprilia Tuareg 660 for actual adventure riding. I want a more long range highway capable bike that can still do gravel roads but not anything more complex. Can get a 2023 Ducati Multistrada V4S Travel & Radar new for $23,500. I like and prefer this style of bike over most sports touring bikes, looked at the Yamaha GT+, but really am looking at bikes for 1000+ mile trips. Should I consider the Multistrada???? Price is not an issue. Ride with a lot of BMW riders, lol!!!
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Cialis and heated seats! Part 2 is gonna be on another platform?
Good vid. I got no problem with someone dropping $27K for these bikes new. I got no problem with someone dropping $11K for a ‘20 V-STROM 1050XT that will do 90% of either.
Perfect timing, I'm deliberating between these two bikes now.
I'm wondering Ian, why did you chose the standard GS over the GSA ?
Great video, look forward to the next one.
Had the GSA before, just wanted a slimmer and sportier look, they both have their place.
I agree. At 5'9 the standard bike makes more sense to me, and I don't need 400 mile range.
Also, the 2023 bikes have an 'old style' halogen bulb headlight due to the chip shortage.
Since discussing fuel. Turnpikes around me in Oklahoma are 75-80 and I40 into Arkansas is 75 with people blowing by me at 80. I can get about 160-170 miles a tank on the V4S. Doesn’t change with the wife on back, but she’s tiny. I prefer to stop about every 100miles+/- 25 miles to get off and stretch though. I’m never really bothered by range. I have milked it out to 210 once.