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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- Mel Kiper Jr. joins First Take and gets into a heated debate with Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman about the Cincinnati Bengals and discuss whether LSU Tigers QB Joe Burrow, Alabama Crimson Tide QB Tua Tagovailoa, Utah State QB Jordan Love or Oregon Ducks QB Justin Herbert will be more successful in the NFL.
#FirstTake #NFL
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I came back here after Bengals just made the Super Bowl; this was a W for Mel Kiper
They lost the super bowl kid
@@realityoverfiction9207 they made it tho. I do t think that’s worst in the league
@@realityoverfiction9207 30 teams didn’t make the super bowl at all
@@realityoverfiction9207 but they won the AFC. and weren’t supposed to be close to being in the playoffs
Wow he was actually right, for once🤣.
BREAKING NEWS !!!! NEVER TRUST MEL KIPER IN THE DRAFT AND NEVER TRUST STEPHEN A. SMITH IN THE NBA FINALS!!!!
The Original Dog Hook and NEVER TRUST MAX
Exactly
That's A Big Fact
no lies here.
And don't trust Max ever unless it's boxing
ESPN executives to Stephen a smith “Just scream.”
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
and for some reason people love him and espn recently gave him a huge deal
Never trust Max Kellerman about a opinions
Stephen A. Smith: "say less fam"
Yup. Sceamin' A Smith
Stephen A every time he’s about to speak: andandandandand
We get all that
Always studdering
That’s the studder step before the juke lmao
Owen Benfield here’s the deal, here’s the deal, here’s the deal
I read that as he said it, LMAO!!!!
I’ve never seen Mel this heated lol
I find him very entertaining . I wouldn’t say nobody likes him.
@@julienforletta7896 agreed i like Mel Kiper lmao
maybe he's as sick as i am at seeing these halfwitted twits getting paid to spew unfounded garbage from their big mouths. I know from experience how frustrating it gets when you actually PERFORM YOUR JOB, only to watch unqualified morons get paid to 100% under perform at the same job
N Logan he shouldn’t even be on there for those couple weeks he knows absolutely nothing
Look up Mel kipper and bill Tobin draft arguments for some laughs .
At least Molly Quiem -Rose- didn't interrupt during this masterpiece of a 'debate'...
That surprising because she normally does.
Mel was actually right about this.
Mel was getting attacked the entire interview.....kinda is looking like he was right, not even a full 2 years in and the Bengals are in the playoffs
lol LOVE this side of mel kiper jr. you RARELY see him this TICKED OFF
Me too. He's an ENTERTAINER! Don't know why people get so salty about Mel. All of these "pundits" are earning a living as entertainers, not as sources of information that has to be at all accurate or important. Which is fine with me.
@@dipthongthathongthongthong9691 facts, but still helps to be accurate tho 😂
@@dipthongthathongthongthong9691 That'd be all well and good if that's what they wanted you to think. Mel Kiper is touted as a draft guru, indicating you should take him seriously, when in reality his bold statements during draft season fall apart, making him look like a ranting lunatic most of the time.
Steven A's Upset that the Bengals have the audacity to change their culture...
Yeahhhh....did they though?
grunt 0341 they went from spending nothing in FA to spending the third most in FA. All of their draft picks were team captains
Meistro Shine nothing is changing
They will still stink
Steelers Suck!
Lmao Mel’s face in the thumbnail 😂
He mentioned the Bengals in the 80's, I WAS NOT EVEN BORN!!
Oh ok
"When I showed up to school with a Dashiki on" Lamooo
😂😂😂
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
Mel is DEFINITELY on speed, he can’t keep still 😂
Evan Boone foh white boi
He on that sativa lol
I noticed that last night at the draft as well.
Parkinson’s disease
Nah more like coke
Mel Kiper reminds me of the kind of guy who goes to a hospital and then pretends to be the doctor.
Kinda like a dentist or a psychiatrist
😆😆
Most of the Dr.'s these days aren't that impressive. Big Pharm salesman is what they are. They can also shoot you up with some other poisons too.
That's some funny sh*t! LMAO...
🤣🤣🤣
MEL: "4 teams have never been to the Superbowl....."
Max: there are only 32 teams in the NFL
MEL: yeah.....yeah....
lmfao
yeah Max is stupid AF
And 2 of them are less than 25 years old
Max proved Mel's point with that comment
@@JohnSmith-ns4gt right.... But just the way the whole dialog was going....😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Did he just say “tremcredibly”-Mel Kiper
Yes
I read this comment as he said it and... it’s bad.
BLACK DERRICK 😭😭
Yea unfortunately he did that
BLACK DERRICK time stamp?
Mel Kiper looks like a mad scientist
I think that Joe Burrow is in a good place in Cincinnati, but he needs an offensive line to protect him. They have 2 days to address that situation
Drafted Jonah Williams 1st round last year he didnt play a snap due to injury. He'll be a great help
Taylor Haley Alabama, he was the consensus best tackle last year and first taken off the board. He was injured in training camp and out for the year.
@@user-fm1zo9gl4t OT from Crimson
I am a simple man. I hear Stephen A try to talk football and already know he will be wrong.
He was right though... mel Kiper talking about a winning culture that happened 50 years ago isn't the franchise we see today. Joe Burrow does have weapons but he's not in that great of a situation
bugstepper 352 50 years ago? They had 5 straight playoff seasons 2011-2016
@@jes.hoov18 all these folks on this idiot trip. Before Patrick Mahomes shows up for the chiefs it was basically the same situation as in Cincinnati. Make it to the playoffs and lose on some real looney luck. Now they talk about the chiefs like they been to 10 straight SB. As a chiefs fan we used say the hunts were cheap and didn't know what to do. When they spent money it was on the wrong players. Chiefs tried to copy Steelers Patriots and Packers organizations in that order to no avail. Then they drafted Patrick Mahomes. Hopefully Joe Borrow can have the same effect.
@Tomandtob like mel said would you rather not get there or get there and lose. Only when the other teams are suffering? You do realize the ravens won the super bowl in 2012 and in that span of them making the playoffs the steelers had big ben, AB, and leveon bell. So where is the struggling? The ravens and steelers are consistently a quality team
He was correct here though lol
Just curious, what makes Mel kiper such an “expert” on the draft?
A book (that was wrong)
M - marketing
ESPN willed it.
Fake news. If we guess were players get drafted we'll be experts also.
He spends his life trying .....
I’ma Steelers fan and I think the Bengals organization and culture gets a little bit too much heat
One of those things where it's become cool to hate on. Its become cool to hate on the Bengals even though there are a FEW times that are WAY worse..
Who they Lol.
Not even bro no superbowls so yea there is no history of a winning culture one day maybe but it has yet to exist you can talk about the ravens niners saints packers giants Patriots cowboys Steelers Seahawks now during the russ era but Bengals have yet to have glory days
Rickey Jones been twice , how many teams haven’t been?
I agree they hate us 😂😂😂 I don't get it but look at playoffs we could one couple times with Carson Palmer getting hurt and when AJ macaron was QB brought with that wining drive until denfese blew it its just bad luck
Man these dudes crazy me up to much. And when mel gets mad and his head start shaking. Man I'm sitting here dying laughing and crying. May The Lord Bless everyone that reads this comment
Amen. You as well.
May the lord bless you as well my brother
5:54 Mel just destroyed max and Stephen A with that point
Well it was pretty dumb for Max to say "well they're a below average franchise". That wasn't what Mel was arguing against. Stephen A (and Max) originally stated that the Bengals were the WORST landing spot for a QB. They aren't. Not even close. Mel handled himself really well and presented facts.
Facts
By bringing up the 1980s? I think not.
If you’re drafting Top 5, you’re probably not the best landing spot for any players.
That being said, people don’t understand how sports works. The patriots were a terrible franchise, until they weren’t. Same with the Saints. Teams have their ups and downs. Pretty much every team in the NFL had a decade when they sucked. The bengals have been in the playoffs 5 times in the last decade. That’s not bad.
2 Birds1 Stone give me a solid argument on why u think the bengals are the worst landing spot for a qb? They aren’t the worst franchise it’s just simply not true. They’re bad but far from the worst
Plus the Bengals lost that Super Bowl game against the 49ers when they lost their starting center to a broken leg.
Dropped interception too
Tim Krumrie..-Nose Tackle
@@chrislain1349
People talk about it in Cincinnati to this day. Was stomach turning 🤢
@@chrislain1349 Yeah that's right,I knew it was a lineman, I saw that game when I was a kid. He stuck his leg out trying to trip a player. Thanks for that though.
You can just tell Stephen a Smith and Mel love having these conversations together 😂😂😂
Are you saying that they're lovers?
Thank you Mel. The Bengals have been a pretty Good franchise
@MJ(open): The last time Cincy won a playoff game, Paul Brown was the owner. Some seven months after the Bengals smashed Houston in the Wildcard weekend, he died. Let *THAT* sink in!
“The culture is the same as the 80s” - Does not sound like a good thing . It must not be working.. the Buccaneers have the worst winning percentage and still has a ring from 02.
I mean I think that speaks more to how much luck plays a factor in the playoffs lol. Answer honestly would you prefer to be the bucs for the last 20 years or the Bengals? The bucs have been terrible since that Superbowl besides one decent season under Raheem. The Bengals have made the playoffs like 8 times in that same span lol. I'm a Rams fan and let me tell you id much rather have a team that competes and chokes in the playoffs than a team that wins a Superbowl and then becomes a perennial laughing stock for a decade.
@@rams3955 Get where you coming from but, that Bucs team is etched in history as a Superbowl champ and have a ring, the Bengals on the other hand, havent won a Superbowl. A season is not a success, unless you win the championship, which would be the Superbowl.
@@KRob10 honestly I just find that logic silly. Like if my team makes the playoffs it's a success. Yes you didn't make it to the sb but the season was fun to watch. Which is far better than a team that wins once and then isn't competitive at all. Cuz of we're being honest since the year 2000 ud be happier as a Bengals fan than u would bucs despite the sb
3:45 - 4:16 😂😭 Stephen A trying his best not to laugh at Max owning Mel Kiper Jr
That's not how averages work though. He is implying every season, each 32 team has same 1/32 chance of winning the Superbowl. Like the Chiefs have the same chance as the Bengals at winning the next superbowl.
@@GarmingLu and the bengals have been nowhere near a superbowl. Its their own fault
I have to agree with Mel here, he's making a great point.
King Uly he’s a clown bengals haven’t proven anything about improving top college teams should easily be able to beat them
None of his points in any way matter to the teams current status, with the turnover of players in the NFL the players who made those statistics are no longer there. Mel doesn't pay attention to NFL teams current status, he brings up the culture of two Superbowls when NONE of those staff or coaches or players are there, completely irrelevant, it isn't the same culture at all. Idiotic. Mel is this a shadow account?
@@bingevintage8124 your credibility is low after suggesting that a college team could be a pro team
@@karlalden2076 that statement applies to every team not just the Bengals, every teams has changes in the off season.
Y’all going crazy with these thumbnails
6:14 LMAOO I’m dying everyone started talking over each other 😂😂😭😭
😂😂😂
Wow for the first time when the title says heated debate.... there was actually a heated debate
Why every time they have a guest max basically gets ignored lmaoo max tried to answer the question and neither of them cared 😂
Rare sighting of Stephen A & Max lowkey agreein with each other 😂😂
“You’re Wrong and Here’s Why!: The Stephen A Smith Story” 🤣🤣
Yesterday, Mel got 5 picks correct! And he is worth 7 million dollars folks! 5 out of 32!
Most of which are pretty easy guesses
i got 7 picks right can i get a million dollars and be a ''expert''
I did look at the screen really fast in confusion when Mel start talking 80's football LMFAO.
That proved Stephen A Smith's entire point Mel Kiper is lost af lol
Mel in the thumbnail 🤣🤣only reason I clicked
Falcons choking in the SB is the only reason i comment 🤣🤣
@@jeancarlosriverarodriguez473 lmao
Great debate !
Havent laughed this hard in a while lmao
They'll eat their words. My Bengals will bounce back
Cedric Williams WHO DEY!
Y’all haven’t even won a playoff game since 1990😂
@@NandanMusic Who dey?
Idk the franchise who ruined Palmer and Dalton's career, and o h yeah ocho cinco aj green right.
That's wHo dEy
4TH 19TH didn’t ruin their careers just always hit with bad luck
Kris Kadunce what have the jags, browns, or Texans done since them?
WOW FOR ONCE THE “HEATED” CAPTION WAS ACCURATE!
In case you haven’t noticed it, Those captions are only so the guy that posts these pirated videos can keep track of them since he posts so many with different accounts. Most of the time the captions have nothing to do with the content
“You brought up examples from when I was in Thomas Edison High School in Queens, New York!”😂😂😂😂
Bengals will still finish last in the division. Burrow’s a good QB but the AFC North is too good
Jordan Davis Steelers cmon now
@@mykalgray6537 Steelers went 8-8 with their 4th string quarterback and theyre getting Big Ben back
@@mykalgray6537 they went 8-8 with 5 string qbs yes the bengals are still last
Y’all really out here forgetting about the browns
@Korn 1993 Ben is old, but good.
How can these dudes talk when they support New York teams lmao
Mel Kiper made them both look stupid with that one. Right after the "not talking about the teams that don't make the playoffs, but if you lose in the playoffs you're the worst team" comment, both of them knew their argument went down the shitter.
😂OMG the thumbnail is priceless
GOD BLESS THIS DISTRACTION. THANK YOU.
Imagine comparing the Bengals to the 49ers 💀
Or comparing the bucs to the niners
Image a season ago when the Tons of people though the Browns will go to the playoffs.☠️
Imagine comparing the dolphins to a to any winning team in the NFL, stfu 💀
That was almost as good as Stephen A vs Michael Irving. Adequate enough for my fix.
3:10 why am I laughing so hard at this?🤣😭
“Ain’t Nobody Hiding!” - SAS (He a Str8 G) 💯💯💯
Loutube Hi no he ain’t.
Jermaine no he ain’t hiding 🤣
Does Mel Kiper scare anyone else
Expecting to see the Bengals have 9 wins.
Gtfoh lmaoooo more like 4
@@MultiKushie Based on what ? We've had more winning season than losing seasons in the last 15 years...
MultiKushie Ill bet u 4000 dollars they have 6 and above wins at minimum. You probably think the cincy roster is worst in the league, its not.
5
HyperStar Gaming I agree
5:35 "THERE IN THE PLAYOFFS" 😂😂😂💀
That thumbnail is epic lol
Mel Kiper Looks Like a Evil Mad Scientist Wit This Dark Background.
Ppl are way too critical on bengals, Marvin Lewis did a lot with very little. Respect
The thumbnail got me 😂
Well, that didn't take long for Stephen A to be wrong.
Lol Burrow on the Bengals has low expectations. I expect him to play pretty good, play it safe, and last in the division. Not his fault but it is a team sport
Besides that we aren't ready to challenge the Ravens. They are a tough team.
I think they're better than Cleveland but...that's not saying a lot
You're an idiot, we have a better defensive line than the ravens, our secondary is just as solid, our offensive threats are better, Jackson is one scramble away from throwing away a year of his career
J J Nice 1st overall pick you got there with that “solid” team. Also, must be nice never getting out of the 1st rd of the playoffs as a Bengals fan.
@@JJ-lg3np Did you see our Front seven last year? It was a joke and to try to compare our aging d line to Baltimore's is an insult. Hubbart was the only young guy making a name for himself up front and I agree the back field is solid but there is just too much we don't have to compete at all right now.
Mel is schooling them
I haven't even watched this yet and I already know it's gonna be good
Thank you Mel
Stephan A got owned by Mel lol first time I ever seen him speachless lol all we needed was Molly to go "Ooooooohhh" because he got burned lol
Go check our the ranking of Carmelo when max spanked him
@@jonjohnson1978. lol oh dam needa watch that
Mel Kiper is a Bengals legend. He's the only person in the media willing to see the Bengals for what they are instead of what they were.
Would love to see a picture of Stephen A in a Dashiki lmao
Mel needs to replace max
buggin
This was worse then those talking birds from “The View” 😂😂
Steven A “Didn’t bring race up with time “ Smith
Thanks Mel 🐅🐅🐅
LMAOOOO the look on Stephen A face during all this
I gotta be fair....Mel won the argument!
5:33 to 5:55 Mel is 🐐 he said it perfectly.. He wasn't done either 😂😂 burrow is the perfect quarterback for us. Hes always underrated and people just wait on him to fail. He WILL take us there. Easily best or second best qb in AFC North.
# Debate me. Quote it right now. 💯
So he's better than Big Ben before he steps on a NFL field? Or even better than a Baker who in his first season with a real coach BROKE RECORDS. Lol please don't get your hopes up buddy 😂 you're in one if the toughest divisions. And you will continue to be bottom feeders for the next 5 years
This has aged so well. Who Dey!
As soon as Mel said that last part they couldn't say nothing
Can we be honest for a second....who's actually dumber between Smith and Kellerman?
stephen a
None are dumb
Ur dad is
Definitely smith
Clowns. ESPN has replaced Wrestling as the new "Men's soap opera". And Stephen A. is their lead actor.
Stephen A Smith was in High School and also in 1984 Me & Max We were in JR High. Lol
Frank Caliendo is hilarious in this video lol
Man really said bengals 😂😂😂
What???
Is ESPN pulling a Morgz? 😂 These Thumbnails trying time clickbait everyone
Gabriel how’s that clickbait
What is Morgz
That Guy Over There don’t search him up, For the sake of humanity please
Mike Craig The facial Expressions, we know that First take is a Debate show and by using these Thumbnails they try and make us think, OH THIS WAS A MAJOR HEATED ARGUMENT, when really it was absolutely positively nothing
This thumbnail is classic
This is electric!
* Mel Kiper gets drug tested by ESPN
Mel going for that Bengals front office job
mel feeling got hurt when he said he forgot football more then he ever knew
Metro Hendrix's not what was said. Stephen said that Mel has probably forgotten more things about football than Stephen will ever know. He was paying Mel a compliment.
It's a compliment to have "forgotten more about a topic than someone else will ever know"
This video was from 2 years ago, guess what the Bengals are 2 min away from winning the superbowl 2 years later.
Bengals got an explosive offense. As a football fan, you love to see it. My Niners got the NFC on lock for the next couple but I'll be rooting for Higgins and Burrow
Why does Mel Kiper look like Jimmy Neutron's teacher?
"Don't talk just listen for a sec" I'm sure that is hard for Stephen to do
Facts!
MATT...MATT...MATT...(you're glib...) LOL
Mel is hilarious 😂
“An average team should go to a Super Bowl every 16 years”
Lol that’s not how that works
He called it
At the end of the day it’s all still up to him, if he plays well enough and creates hype, he can force his way out after feeling he’s developed enough and ready to win .
Steven A 🗣In The 80's!!!
Steven A Smith didn't understand Marvin Lewis making the "Bungles" into a playoff legit team. Is like making a superbowl anywhere else. The mom and pop franchise he had to work with. Smh. Players had to pay for their own stuff. Practice facilities. You mean the field they practice at near stadium next to the highway! It is not the cowboys or Seahawks. Marvin Lewis deserved an award! For making chicken salad out of *********!
Agreed.
THANK YOU MEL!!!
One of the funniest clips EVER