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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2023
- More information released on the case with Eric Lira, Blessing Okagbare & Divine Oduduru. Hopefully this can put an end to this cheating scandal.
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These are the guys who got caught: openly texting, no encryption, barely trying to hide it. GL. Imagine how many are actually covering their tracks or are in countries where they don't care or even actively encourage it.
I do understand and I also understand the people that win using PEDs, used them to win, otherwise they would not have used them due to the negative side effects. If a PED cuts 1/10 of a second off of your time, that is the difference between making the podium and sponsorship money vs. being forgotten. I have seen power lifters and body builders go way beyond natural abilities because of PEDs
Or think of all the organizations that run these test. Through my lengthy research into PEDs, majority of the urine/blood samples never make it to the lab. Gee, I wonder what rich person makes that happen….
@@ErkkaeOf course. Amateur athletes we will never hear about.
I did think to myself that maybe the real heros are the clean athletes who are likely coming in last in every race.@@nickvledder
@@Erkkae 20 out of 21 podium finishers in Tour de France between 1999 and 2005 ended up being "directly tied to likely doping". Are cyclists more likely to cheat than athletes in other sports? Or was it just that testing certain drugs, such as EPO improved and loads of athletes across a range of sports were caught out (like Marion Jones in 2006). 6 of the 8 sprinters in the infamous Seoul men's 100m final ultimately got caught for PEDs, including Carl Lewis who failed tests at the US Olympic Trials before he even got to the Olympics!!! Not all athletes are drugs cheats, just the ones at the top that are prepared to do whatever it takes. Have top athletes suddenly developed a conscience in 2023?
I’d be more surprised if anyone was natural…
Every top athlete is doping. In every sport.
shutup
@@Jesus_Loves_you2499 I’m sure even Jesus knows no top athlete is natural.
Even Jesus uses HGH!
No ones talks about people who do sterioids then stop and test negative although having all the benefits of taking them. I will take the crown for fastest natural athlete. Unless milk and chicken is doping lol
The real shocking part is how many ppl think most pro athletes aren't on something...
All* top level athletes are cheating. It's just whether or not they get caught.
@@yayz9442 no shit
@@Boss3Nate I’m agreeing with you bro
@@yayz9442 I’m agreeing with you. Haha
I agree with both, I’m glad to see people who have the understanding of what the situation is.
Okabare was somebody who stayed around 5th place in the finals of some top fields. Then suddenly started coming in closer to 1st. So I wasn't surprised when she tested positive.
She was winning many races in the past, but like you stated, placed lower in finals. But she was looking about the same. Notice, she didn’t reveal anyone and she walked away quietly. They all know the majority are using many PED’s. Most are using various things like HGH, Nandralone, Anavar, EPO, etc. Funny thing, is, HGH didn’t even use to be on the banned list…so many folks used it tons. Believe me when I state it’s widespread.
I quit when at national level in 1969 when told I had no chance of getting to Olympic level without steroids. I had seen drug abuse by UK national field event athletes.
The documentary Icarus, is truly eye opening... The fact that so many athletes can get away with it even though they are tested relentlessly, a la Armstrong...begs the question, "Who isn't doing their jobs?" #WADA
Is it here on You tube?
On Netflix
that was maybe the best doc. Ive ever seen
@@4everfcb1900 Totally.
miss 1 test = 1 month ban. miss 2 tests = 1 year ban. miss 3 tests = don't let the door hit you........... thoughts on this?
Perfect!
You understand how easy it is to miss a test? You mom could die....and they expect you to be available to test
@@cwhiting Its their fucking job dude. If theres a provable, valid reason like being out of the country for a funeral, fine. But even then...its a blood draw and or pissing in a cup. The Olympics can literally send a tech out to do that anywhere on earth, and it takes 30 seconds. One day delays aren't really gonna be enough to get clean either, so its not like there cant be a little wiggle room. I really cant forsee a situation where these people would be missing more than 1 or 2 tests in their whole careers
I think NCAA/High school doping on the US circuit is the next big scandal. The testing is extremely limited, and the performance drop off once many of those athletes go pro is concerning.
remember that they’re gifted with conditions as well in comparison to the professional circuit
@@NextGenJay true, and i think the timing equipment isn't at the same standard as pro corcuit. However, many people run crazy times even into headwinds in NCAA then drop off as pro's
And the reward is the key. Full tuition scholarships worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Def happening all over.
Interesting... i didnt realize that pro's had faster times in college or high school... never seen such stats.... which pro's would you list that this applies to?
Kids are already doping in middle school. Steroid use is rampant
Great video! My respect for this channel has increased even more. Thanks for exposing this.
Keep enjoying your narrative and propaganda that still won't help your skin folk win on the track.
Bro everyone doping at the top.
Not true. Lots of clean athletes. I know.....I was one of them. I was on the international track and field circuit from '90 to '98. Competed in the '96 Olympics & three IAAF world championships. Lots of guys who are clean. Not everybody cheats. But the cheaters always said what you just said to justify their cheating.
What even is your profile picture?
I served Donovan Bailey for his retirement dinner along with numerous other sprinters a few years back. Most of the conversation was about performance enhancing drugs being used in the spriting world. Maurice Green had just set a new world record in the 100m at the Sydney games in 2000, and persons at the table said the very illegal drug he was on when he set that record was in and out of his system in an hour, and that was almost 25 years ago.
Wait until you find out that every athlete that has ran a sub 9.90 was cheating with PED's. Every last one.
Wow!
Probably Cheque Drops. They last about 3 hours.
I was at that table …that never happened
Think I remember you, what restaurant was that again? @@PradaG43
Wish the sport could highlight known clean athletes. Years ago I got tested multiple times by the NCAA - not track, another sport, and it never bothered me. I actually thought of it as a complement that someone recognized the huge gains I’d made through hard work and proper nutrition. Meanwhile, others far more athletically gifted never got called to test at all. Track needs a 100% random, no-skip system or this will continue to be a problem.
In theory it has one.
Please cover more content like this! This is very informal.
informal? Do you mean..informative? Or do you mean informational? informal is like going to a party and not wearing a tuxedo, Formal would be needing to wear that tuxedo
Usain Bolt is either the greatest athlete of all time or he just had the greatest pharmaceutical team of all time
It's both.
Absolute freak. A monster of an athlete. But also on PEDs.
@@officialkirin7219 try that somewhere else bruv... He's also the most tested athlete of all time...
Both -- greatest sprinter ever, and also on PEDs lol. Doping doesn't mean you're not an outlier talent, in fact, every all time great is.
@@officialkirin7219so you are implying that a jamaican with less resorces was better at doping than tge americans who are known for doping? Don't try to deny Bolts greatness he was the most tested athlete of all time
@badbrukbrian2401 I am not taking away anything. He was the best of the best.
Saying he took PEDs is not denying that.
Everyone takes them, he is no exception.
And it's easy to get around the tests.
Strange that for a case in america, no americans involved. EITHER no US athletes are involved or they are being protected.
100% protected
Protected
Well, all governing bodies loves USA
My money is on protection. Very easy to just scapegoat the other athletes and insinuate that it’s the fault of some random third world country. The civilized America would obviously never do this!
What kind of idiot documents their crimes and blindly texts or emails or leaves voicemails with details? Who does that? 🤦🏼♀️
Politicians like Hillary Clinton. Anyone who uses E-mail is a fool, because it's too easy to trap yourself and impossible to make the E-trail disappear.
People used to not getting caught.
pretty sure cheating in a sport isn't a crime in terms of the legal sense
Not in itself it isn't, but in many countries supplying or selling steroids is, unless your a doctor prescribing them for a valid reason.
@@Kahnugo I know. Still dumb though. The dealers were probably using the drugs too and it made them stupid. 😂
0:52, there is a big difference between Germany and East Germany. It is like saying saying the president of America is Justin Trudeau, without saying that you mean Canada. These countries had huge differences in their sport program.
3:52 The sport is not called "Tour de France", but cycling.
I know this comment might seem pedantic, and it probably is, but accurate information is important.
It's far from pedantic. Basic accuracy when it comes to country and sport names should be the norm, not a sign of excellence.
It's a popular channel with click bait title and thumbnail. So you have to expect that kind of behaviour.
East Germany had more gold medals and was only 4 medals behind the US in total medal count in the 1976 Olympics so it was hardly trivial/pedantic. I would also accuse the author of this post of throwing in a few pictures of white athletes - rowing?- to balance out the imagery of only blacks who are the subject of the video. Not to say that cycling - which I love - wasn't wholly corrupt also.
One problem is the expectation fans have that athletes will continually break records when the human body only has so much capacity. For example in the 100 metres there’s constant speculation about whether any runner will break Usain Bolt’s and Florence Joyner Griffith’s WRs respectively although both seem insurmountable. There’s similar pressure in the 400, 1500 and marathon. Could people get excited about the 2024 Olympics if records aren’t broken?
Yes.
Flo Jo was def in juice lol
I agree with that logic, there is probably an asymptotic line of human performance. Sure, technology can improve things, or getting more people to compete so you get the 1/10000, 1/100000 1/1000000 runner but even that type of gleaning is subject to that upper limit. I'm suspicious of both Bolt and FJG.
What we need is a Supersapiens Olympics. Let’s stretch humanity to its limits… so all the dopers will have a second chance. We can have ‘ Olympics, Paralympics and Superlympics’. I’ll watch all three!
@@betteruin2294 Bolt probably was too.
So interesting you brought up this topic. I recently let my tongue move and mentioned this is the case, but, I get a little nervous about discussing it and just stop. However, you and I both know it is widespread, especially with the drugs you’ve mentioned. Most of these coaches are giving their athletes at least these things, then, we have some with things like the clear Marion Jones was using, completely undetectable until it was given to them! It’s amazing folks who don’t realize what is going on.
I believe I saw you under another video talking about this.
Doping is still very widespread. It’s just a matter of who is caught.
@@mssha1980 yes, and 100%. Also, it is so widespread that it’s more and issue of who “stays in line” with Massuh versus who disobeys. Nothing can convince me Shelly Anne isn’t doping, but that the same time, nothing convinces me if she and no one else were they could beat her! She would still win, but with like a 10.8 or 10.9…she’s not a 10.6 runner naturally at all, and anyone who has seen her struggle to break 11 seconds into championships would get it! I’m just using her name for example…the playing field is still basically fair since so many people are doping….it is just the times are much faster than these folks could run without the doping. I’m pissed about Marion jones being put under the bus by a Jamaican coach she fired who was the one who gave it to her in the first place (these athletes don’t know where to get this stuff or how to administer it…the coaches and doctors put them on a whole entire dosage and administration plan, and the doctors let them know when it’s okay to take a dope test because they mask and time it perfectly in most cases. Athletes just perform and I can assure you most of these runners entered clean and with the intention of remaining clean until the businessman got ahold of them. It’s very sad, which is one reason I don’t bash athletes when they are caught. Almost all who are caught were setup.
I love kiptum and Kipchoge but it’s still very hard to believe they are natural
It's hard to believe people think they're clean😂
Of course they’re not. Kenya and Ethiopia started systematic doping in the early 90s.
Are they not being tested?
@@IT_Farhannot during their training build ups, you can dope to maximize recovery during your buildups and then cut it out before going into serious competitions while keeping the gains that you got during your buildup
@nohands6865 they're tested randomly all year. They're still dirty though. *The off-season has the lowest intensity which is where doping gives its smallest gains. They're still doping in the off season but in season, they're training much harder and that's where they need PEDs the most.
*The off-season is a great time for endurance athletes to stock the freezer with blood bags for the season🙃
In this past season, with so many unbelievable performances, I think doping is pretty wide spread.
What season do you think was clean?😅
*There's possibly a new drug people are using now that there's no test for, or it's an adaptation on a very effective drug of the past that they've managed to skirt testing with without microdosing
Look no further than the women's 400 m hurdles record being blown out of the water. That record is so juiced it isn't funny. Just watch Sydney's performance level's drop accordingly into the 2024 season.
@paulclarke7571 These comments from yourself and others are quite outrageous. Unless you have evidence to back any of these athletes cheating, I think it's better not to make proof-less accusations and bold statements.
@TheWayWithKhuwayne nobody had proof for Marion Jones or Lance Armstrong. The accusers were always right though.
*Their performances are admissions of guilt
@@TheWayWithKhuwayneyou're the definition of naive
HGH use has historically been extremely difficult to detect, so the focus on the supply side of the equation makes sense.
love your vids, thanks for producing. particularly interested in up n coming athletes like touhy. so are runners as young as touhy already doping? is it inevitable? if it’s so prevalent, why bother watching, supporting what it’s become? very sad...
Tuohy is not even close to a world level, she was fast since early teen years, but in a race at a national level she was far back. You could have asked this question if she would be competing for US championship gold, but she's nowhere near that yet. She is dominating college races only.
Sadly it’s in all sports. They are still great and superior athletes. They just have help.
This almost ruins big events like the Olympics for me. When I look at the winner, I don't think "look at this achievement", I think "I wonder how much drugs they were taking".
You would be surprised the substances that are not banned yet
Go on, surprise us .
sometimes you wonder why some athletes get caught and some don't...
Often it's down to plain sloppiness.
Wow! How sad!!
EVERY single sport has a PED problem. Every athlete knows it and feels pressure to participate because they want to compete.
And they want to pay bills and eat. Take care of family
Pretty certain curling doesn't
This won’t end cheating in athletics. The only way is to make lifelong bans if caught.
Drugs will always be a part of sport. The sad fact is, if you're not on something you'll be left in the dust.
It’s always funny when someone gets caught in criminality, because there’s always so much evidence. When you consider it all it always looks like they were trying to get caught. Then you realize how easy it would be to be a criminal if you would just be reasonable, careful, and not get greedy.
Is the point of your post to suggest we become criminals then?
Depends on the crime. There are cameras everywhere now.
@@naposthecavalierkingcharles Stay out of Korea, future criminals! CCTV everywhere.
That is called "organized crime" and it has its own special problems of conflicting interests aka other gangsters
The one sport out of control is professional boxing with all the millions of dollars of prize money who isn’t cheating!!
Very interesting and informative video.
is there somewhere to view who all these 2 coaches trained? i cant find it anywhere, but i am curious who were all under their guidance. doesnt have to mean they all used PEDs but still some of them for sure will have.
We need to talk about the role of sponsors in this problem. From Lance Armstrongs US Postal team to the Nike 'Oregon Project' there is so much pressure on the athletes to win at all costs that they're almost forced to take PED's or get dropped.
The athletes made their choice.
@@thee-sportspantheon330 a choice between the career of their dreams that they'd spent their entire childhood and youth working towards or no career at all. I'm not saying they're blameless, but the corporate sponsors of sport also must shoulder some of the blame.
@@timetherington-judge3719 I simply disagree. If a criminal commits a crime for is it okay as long as it was a part of their "dreams that they'd spent their entire childhood and youth working towards" the answer is no. They made their choice.
Take this or we are pulling your funding
@@thee-sportspantheon330no one is saying doping is okay, man. the commenter is trying to understand WHY this happens, not making a value judgement on the act itself. not everything is black and white or right or wrong. if we can find the major roots of the problem, i.e. unrealistic expectations set by sponsors, we can attack the problem at its source, not just penalize the individual athletes. when analyzing crime it’s important to ask WHY someone commits a crime, not just instantly slamming them in jail and calling it a job well done. the US struggles with crime because it’s approach isn’t solutions based, it doesn’t address WHY people commit crime, just that they do.
The great irony is that basically only athletics, cycling and possibly nordic skiing and swimming take doping somewhat seriously and yet these are the sports people conflate with doping. Most every other sport does not really care. It's generally true that the more money involved in a sport, the less committed the governing bodies of the sport are to actually address PED cheating. Of course, doping is hardly eliminated in athletics, cycling, nordic skiing and swimming.
Big money sports could give a shit about testing and drug use
Add in the gambling revenue, and the amount of money is even more staggering.
How does someone feel good about themselves if they cheated to win.
Its like the lance armstrong scandal its whoever has the best doping program is going to win sooner or later though theyll get caught but it might take many many years due to the technology in testing. Im sure everyones doing something to get an edge, whoever hides it better wins :p
Have to admit until the last couple of years with Pogacar and Vingegaard, those Lance Tours were the most exciting. And that naturally makes me wonder: what are they using? LOL.
steroid era was the best xD@@somewhat.random
LA never got caught by testing.
I worked with a rider from US postal, former junior world champion, he was clean 100%, his entire life. They fired him after 1 season and he retired from pro cycling that year because he couldn't compete and wouldn't cheat. There's not many like him
Makes you wonder what super juice the others are using if Blessing was never a hot favourite for any of the events she did.
We used to call it people on the juice in the 1988 Olympic Trials. We knew who, but you could only do the best the good Lord blessed you with.
Samples (additional) need to be held for retrospective testing in the future so that compounds undetectable now can be detected in future years. Retrospective punishment would need to be applied to the athlete.
You could have them sign something like a prenup agreement consenting to all prize money, sponsorship money, any profit could be seized and confiscated.
Keeping samples used to be a thing, I don't think it is anymore (at least I've never encountered it since I've been in the WADA testing pool) but as seen from previous people caught doping, everything is stripped from them and they are irredeemable in the sporting community.
I follow a few up and coming athletes and they have to be careful about what cold and flu medication they take - one actually tested positive for something quite innocent. It is therefore hard to comprehend how testing is not picking up on more serious abuses? Is it poor testing or are athletes ahead of the testing game? The legal high industry effectively takes a banned drug and changes it slightly so that it is no longer covered by legislation - until legislation catches up, can imagine something working similar in the athlete world.
Do some research and you'll find 90% of athletes are on something. The 100m Olympic final with have 8/8 all on something. They have professional doctors advising what to take and when to take. How do you get around testing??? Again do some research and you'll find it's pretty easy. Athletes will generally do ped cycles on and off during the year to get the performance gains and little risk. Most peds will run through your system quite quickly so the doctors have a good idea when you're safe to take a test or not and this will all be planned out. when you see athletes getting caught it's because it didn't leave their system quick enough or they took too much. Athletes can also be randomly tested but you're allowed to miss 2 per year so if you're on a cycle you just go "missing" for the day and hope it doesn't happen 3 times AKA Christian Coleman cough cough. A lot of athletes manage to get a therapeutic exemption for many peds such as Galen Rupp, Mo Farah, Bradly Wiggings, Chris Froome and many more. Everybody needs to stop looking at athletics as if only a few are cheating. They all are, some are just better at it than others and don't get caught.
Because someone who innocently takes something, has not taken all the precautions of timing and masking that an athlete who knows they have taken something they shouldn't would have done...
I’ve been saying this for forever the amount of completely natural professional athletes is next to 0. It’s common sense and you would be naive to think otherwise.
Exactly who is cheating? Is Kelvin Kiptum cheating?
@@RicardSMthere isn’t necessarily explicit evidence that I’m aware of, but the industry of PEDs are massive and extremely ahead of the curve. Any world record contender is quite likely to be involved in some capacity with it. Whether we learn that soon or in 10 years, we will see.
I think ultimately we just need a doping league, that way the people insistent on cheating can push themselves to the limit, with the safety of medical professionals involved to keep them healthier
@@solkvist8668 Aren't pro athletes required to take drug tests?
@@RicardSMnot being caught and not cheating are not the same thing.
@@RicardSM the test are fairly easy to beat or do not test correctly. This means they don't test for biomarkers like LH and FSH which would show that you are taking a substance and they have a VERY difficult time testing for EPO and HGH because it is very expensive and you need a baseline before show use. Basically, everyone has to "cheat" to compete. EVERY RECORD AND EVERY FINAL SINCE 1980 is dirty. But the best is still the best they would probably win IF everyone was clean.
Who are the other athletes!? Why would they keep their names private…
Probably still ongoing
All of them are on it…billion dollar industry.
Any world records they should say, this is the fastest time ever recorded where the athlete did not test positive
Never openly talk about anything even remotely dodgy via text on your personal phone. You'd think they would've already known this.
How about just don’t do illegal things/cheat. Then you don’t have to worry about getting caught
Blessing and Divine - what a name for cheating athletes!
Roll on the Enhanced games where we dont have to worry about the corrupt WADA and we can just sit back and enjoy true sport.
So when you watch track, especially sprinting, dont take those great times seriously ? Roy b Cape town, south africa 🇿🇦
Honestly when I read Switzerland, I thought of Kambundji's teammate who came out of nowhere to make the 100m final. Del Ponte I think.
Del Ponte’s been around for a while, I wouldn’t call it out of nowhere.
I think Kambundji herself, is the more likely culprit. She started running PB times as a 30 yr old. That's always suspicious to me for sprinters.
Del Ponte surely didn't come out of nowhere in 2021. She unfortunately has dealt with injuries after the 2021 season
Isn't it more likely to be Alex Wilson? Swiss sprinter, lesser known athlete but caught doping 2021.
@@solebrother9620 He would've been named by now since he's already suspended.
To Total Running Productions, why include a couple of shots of Green Point athletics track in Cape Town, South Africa, with a sprinter running ? Cape Town has no world class sprinters at all. Roy b, CapeTown south africa 🇿🇦
One funny thing about the athletes that use PEDs, They all think that work just as hard as the clean athletes. They may do the same workouts but they see greater and faster results. This makes it mentally easier / less hard than the clean athletes, and that is just the mental part of the picture.
Actually they tend to do harder workouts because they enhancements make it so they can recover from them
Wrong.
They work even harder than other athletes beccause thats what drugs do to you.
Drugs make you work harder than normal and break down muscles and when you rest, they grow much faster and bigger than normal.
Everone with knowledge know that even when you cheat, you have to work your ass of just as before.
Your point is debatable, The drug free athlete works harder because they are competing against someone that has an easier time of recovery and energy output. The mental game is more difficult to pick yourself up and keep going when you dont have the crutch of drugs. I have worked harder than my friends in the gym that were on roids. We were doing the same workouts and they were harder for me than for them.
@@zavionharper6671
Its improves recovery and also muscle growth, you essentially get stronger in less time. Tracka theltes train 48 weeks a year, so any marginal advantage in training is huge in a sport that operates on fine margins.
They recover way faster, so they can train much harder
This is kinda sad. You win, but is it really worth it?
100% yes if you dong get caught. Thats why they do it.
Yes, for millions of dollars, you would too. Look at Lance Armstong, rich beyond anything he could imagine or he would be working in a bicyicle shop. Schwarzenneger won bodybuilding shows and used his body for Hollywood or he would probably be successful maybe as a businessman but not to the degree of money and fame he has now. And they are still living rather healtthy lives. Many other athletes have taken PEDs and live long and fruitful lives. Taking ( not abusing) PEDs has no bad long term side effect if done properly, they were designed to be medicines, FDA approved. It's not like taking street drugs where you don't know what you are taking and has very little if any medicinal usages. Like anything else, media over exaggerate everything that the average ( couch poato) person thinks that's it's like being one of those druggies on Kensington street in Philadelphia.
And you will reason it's not cheating since everyone else is doing it too. Almost if not everyone will do it even if they know their competitors are not due to the huge monetary rewards involved.
Cheating is Rampant with the financial markets, inside trading, taking cocaine and Ritalin to be more alert (SBF), lying about results, fudging numbers ( Eliazebeth Holmes, Enron, SBF, Worldcom, etc.etc.) and legal cheating by lawmakers being able on trade on laws that they will pass that will help out a company (Pelosi). And these are the ones that get caught. Many more that don't get caught.
Believe me, you will do it too.
I remember during the Moscow Olympics, the Russians would open the stadium doors to give their Javelin athletes a little “backdraft”. Doesn’t get more state sponsored than that.
This makes me sad.
My daughter is naturally a good runner, with training and discipline i reckon she could do something, but this is incredibly discouraging.
perhaps nate diaz put it best 'everybody's on steroids". its likely that the vast majority of elite athletes on something
Ha, whatever you do, don't look in the older/lower tiers of athletics.
Most hilarious part of the cheating is that the concoctions that are created by the scientist groups out in AZ then have testing measures created by those same scientists after they create something better.
Say it ain't flo...
The great thing about private citizens providing doping, is that the nation will not be punished, as opposed to when it is done by the state.
More countries should learn from this example, and privatise their doping industry.
Jamaica is an island nation of just a couple million people but yet dominate women’s sprinting the last 20 years. Jamaica has no anti doping department in its country. It has a single airport and has a covert alert system when doping testers arrive in country. Doping is so pervasive in track and field that I don’t believe any results are clean.
IGNORAMOUS, go and at least study your geography again! Jamaica has always excelled in athletics!! It is a natural cultural activity. As children, even in primary school, it is a chosen form of play during our breaktime at school. No adults necessary to organise it. I am not an athlete, but I love athletics. At age 65 I continue to follow athletics avidly. Try attending one of our Secondary school athletics championships event held annually, to experience the culture that surrounds athletics.
JAMAICA DOES PARTICIPATE IN THE ANT-IDOPING PROGRAM SUPPORTED BY WADA, oink!!!!!
Doping would not be enough to create the level of athletes that Jamaica has produced. Plus no Jamaican has access to the funds and sophisticated PEDs that Americans do. If Jamaicans dope, and I doubt that they do on a large scale, they’re still better athletes than the Americans and other rich countries who have been proven to dope far more frequently and with better drugs. The jealousy and hate projected on them is totally unwarranted. Whether they dope or not, they are still superior athletes. l still find it difficult to believe that these Jamaicans are the most tested and are relatively poor but manage to consistently outsmart athletics boards with all their resources. The boards must be incompetent if that’s the case.
@@fayepatrice1672 thanks for assuming that I am an ignorant dufus. I have been studying PEDs performance in superior athletes for over 30 years. You woefully underestimate the effects of PEDs on just above average athletes. You have no idea about what you are writing. Jamaican athletes don’t have money to secure high level PED’s? So the Jamaicans are clean and only athletes from rich countries dope? I hope you see how ridiculous this argument is. This is the internet/social network age. It has never been easier to dope than the last 20 years. Where there is money there is doping in sports. Jamaica happens to be an excellent location for systemic doping. A highly corrupt country that needs to get its wealth from abroad therefore no enforcement body for anti doping. A single international airport to prevent unannounced surveillance.
@@dieseldan5189 Interesting. You managed to completely misinterpret my comment, and attribute statements to me that I never made. You also quite clearly exposed your own negative bias towards that country and its athletes without actual evidence of any of the negative assumptions you’re making. My assessment that jealousy and dislike are your motivations was entirely correct. Have a good day. I don’t need to read anything further.
The level of ignorance reflected in your comments is pathetic!! Jamaica has one of THE most stringent anti-doping regimes in the world and has no tolerance for drug cheats.
Unlike most countries one is banned for life if caught using a prohibited substance a second time.
There are also two major international airports and a third which is not heavily trafficked. There is also a domestic aerodrome.
Nevertheless , I will credit you with a very fertile imagination especially when envisioning the existence of covert alert systems.
Perhaps a glorious career awaits you by way of writing spy novels and covert activities.
To compete at a high level you NEED to take enhancers even if it's just so your body won't break down in training...Ben Johnson needs an apology
I can't help but compare them to Usain bolts performances. His races look just like these ped cases to me.
100% Bolt was on the juice. It was more than obvious.
@@kandiekane. LMAO, why are you butthurt. He was smart enough to get out right before they caught up with him. I give him credit. But yes Carl Lewis, Marian Jones, Usain bolt, Gay, Ben Jones(I can't remember the Canadian name) and quite a few others exploded well beyond the norm. You don't jump that far that fast unless you're using something.
@@warsun07 Even as a kid I took one look at Ben Johnson and said "nope" He had all these striations in his muscles like you'd see on body builders (for who steroids are OK) The chick in the video looks suspicious, she's just big, big head...
It must be a "open" category in some sports.
These aren’t new compounds that we don’t have tests for, what were they trying to do?
Suspicion is high when countries who never had international class athletes suddenly explode onto the Olympic scene and other world class meets.
Which countries ,?
This is classist af. It is known that generally as countries socioeconomic conditions improve, that they generally become more competitive internationally at everything due to improved resources. So for countries to start having more emerging athletes when they didn’t in the past, is not a new phenomena
Additionally, many of these athletes compete and train in NCAA programs thus receive a lot of the same resources as their competitors regardless of the resources available in their home countries… in fact, some international athletes actually get paid to train for international competition unlike most Team USA athletes… so they arguably have more resources
@AlexP-dz7ew Exactly, I feel like people need to be mindful as decades go on, more athletes from different islands/countries/regions are going to take part in sports uncommon to their nations. It might not be necessarily domination but definitely an increase thanks to socio-economic reasons like you said.
USA, UK, China & Russia won't win every medal in everything, its not always possible.
And reason for this is not a brand new country split off from an old country.
Every high level athlete is on PEDs. I think that is terrible, because that means a natural athlete will never have the chance to become internationally successfull. But it is also a universal truth and the tests in place don't do shit to prevent anything. Therefore I dislike the outcry every small doping scandal produces. The organizers should either go fully serious and prevent doping as much as possible or don't do it at all. But what they do today is just hypocrazy.
I think this is one of the many reasons track is soo unpopular.
Bro in 2012 Olympics Tyson gay got 4th to bolt, yohan, and gatlin while on performance enhancing drugs😭☠️
They were all on gear
If a casual doper sees major performance gains & Gay no doubt had a "World class" doping regimen which only netted him a 4th...what does that say about the 3 people who beat him?
If the podium of most sports is within .5% & if doping "only" improved an athlete 1% how can you believe anyone winning is clean?
@@kandiekane.That's not what he said... He just implied it was suspicious and unlikely, you're the one who joined the obvious dots together
@@Tumid1Then apply that logic To every athlete on earth across every sport..lol But I would say that American is worse..
If everyone is doing it, it’s no longer cheating - it’s simply whether or not you get caught.
There a whole documentary on Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis in Olympics in the 80’s I believe. Titled “if you don’t take it you don’t make it.”
Ben Johnson got caught because his supplier screwed him. The drug he got popped for, Winstrol, is widely available and very cheap so it’s commonly used as a dupe and sold as other far more exotic and expensive drugs.
@@darrellgrant7615 the documentary was about PEDs and all athletes not just them two guy. I Should have written that better. Have you seen it?
I saw an Interview with a bodybuilder from Germany, who was asked about roids. He told that modern sports need to have a way of enhancing, because the human limit was reached decades ago. There is only so much, a human body can do. If we want evolving sports, we need to accept, that doping is one factor, that gets us there. Athletes need a regiment by a doctor, like they have for mental training or any other factor, getting drugs legalised and medically monitored. The problem with all this? Actually, these drugs, taken for the purpose of enhancement, WILL lead to complications down the line and therefore doctors CAN`t give it to them, if they are serious about their job. If there is no indication of any illness - they can`t put you on "therapy". Yes, America would find a way to treat "patients" like they do with kids, who are getting hormone replacements, but in the developed world...at least in Austria, nobody would give it to you, knowingly harming you.
I heard a doctor argue recently that sports has its policy wrong. It should remove restrictions on drug use and focus on the health affects of doping when it comes to performance. If a test shows your health is at risk that should be what a suspension or ban is for.
Thats a terrible idea, athletes will keep pushing the doping if its legal in order to get even the tiniest advantage. You would see athletes banned left and right because they would push the doping to its limits attempting to do as much dope to get as close as possible to putting their health at risk just so they can win. Its insane to think everyone would be reasonable with legal doping lol.
Naw dope testing is big business
And the athletes Blessing beat are clean?
Not necessarily. Shes just the one who got caught. It’s possible that they are “cleaner” in the sense that they cycled iff earlier than she did and it was out of their systems. But it’s highly unlikely that many of these pro athletes are completely natural. The sport is just so demanding especially at this level.
I am shocked. Shocked! Well, not that shocked.
Where money is involved, cheating reigns supreme.
Just have tested and non tested comp. Everyone wants to all pro athletes on drugs - we want to see what they can do.
We already see all the pro athletes on drugs haha it would be exactly the same 😂
It still won't be fair due to money and the risks some would be willing to take.
@@nolanmckennarunsthey're all doping but they'd be faster if they didn't fear testing positive
@@veganpottertheveganthat’s why you keep them separate. People inherently like fairness in sport, so the doping league likely won’t be as popular, but it would weed out a lot of problem people from the “official” league
@solkvist8668 yeah, it won't actually work that way. And take a look at "natural bodybuilding" which is significantly less popular. It's also full of dopers😅 On paper, the sport we watch now is already supposed to be clean.
Do people really feel pride when they win by cheating? I sincerely cannot understand, I would never celebrate a dirty victory. So bizarre.
It’s been pretty disappointing hearing about all these cases this year. But I’m glad the NCAA is doing better at finding these people.
They will never catch them all ;)
I'm mad when they get caught.
Literally no one ever thought the East Germans were not doping.
In the Bible, it says that the LOVE of money is the root of all evil..
I think Sexual lust is the bigger root of all evil. Then misuse of public money, then hurting peoples heart.
When in reality its the bible itself
15Then he said, “Beware! Guard against every kind of greed. Life is not measured by how much you own.”
LUKE 12: 15 NLT
Lets just simply state the facts if you are an olympic athelete their is a 99% chance you doped before no doubt about that unless you are in that 1% of just being born a genetic specimen but people also have to realize that doping doesnt just magically make you the best you still have to put in the effort and hey if they wanted to win that badly honestly props to them cause I know I would never have such dedication to be ruining my body through doping and training my life away just to win gold
Yes, and there are also millions of athletes who did dope, and never made it anywhere near the top...
All I see when Eric Lira comes up is Keanu Reeves 😂
Which other athletes were they supplying…
I know a guy who used HGH in highschool and he grew a bit taller. He still was lazy and sucks at athletics. Frankly I'm not sure if there'd be any traces of it today. It may be 'cheating'. I never cheated, I'm all natural in all ways. However I think sometimes it's valid.
The downside is that people who are naturally skilled and find out later, don't have the advantages that these less skilled athletes who used any form of steroids earlier have. They simply used HGH or unlocked their natural HGH more at a younger age, and yet clearly, the natural athlete trains for less time, and beats the current 'years long athletes' in a lot of things; except the obvious doping or dieting things that take years, such as lift weight, etc. that literally cannot be sped up.
There are 'valid' things that function as light version of steroids. So it makes me wonder, why even bother? People will avoid the banned things, and then try just about any placebo or other thing if they think it helps them to grow muscle. Anti-doping would be ideal. It makes it all that much better when a natural athlete comes out, and somehow beats all these obvious athletes who used/use steroids. I'm also torn to say that it matters much.
They basically 'cheat' to get there in the first place, for a lot them. It only sucks because cheating is always bad, but in that case, you can't always tell. Obviously 'posing' is anotehr form of cheating , e.g. trying to appear like you did something you didn't do. In my opinion , that's the worst kind of cheating.
I do think it's horrible in a way mostly that it's cheating nature. We are less inclined to look at bad genetics; the 'steroids' routine they used won't be passed on to offspring, and they don't have the special traits nor skills. The skilled people need recognition too, but what happens when natural athletes who would normally win, cannot do what the cheater who used steroids can do? In natural times, they would be able to catch up in a year or two, and outperform the cheater/less skiled athletes. It's mostly a bad system and I dislike it because it seems like 'bad traits' are being given a higher chance to reproduce which is ultimately biological cheating.
It also diminished importance of accomplishments of others, because there 'are' pro athletes who competed and even won, and were totally by all standards, all natural, all hard work ,etc.. so it's bad in that sense too because the natural skill there is mixed with some cheaters.
The 'typical' person likes to also think, there's no such thing. Or they never encountered one. They are 'consumers' with average or lower IQ, so they think everyone who's better must be just on drugs. They outwardly project their problems like as if there's no natural competition and no way they did it, without some kind of 'money advantage'. which is of course, revealing how average/stupid they are.
Have a look at the woman's 400m hurdles record holder. Gosh, Sydney comes along and blows the record out of the water multiple times. Are the powers to be really that blind after all these years? The trick comes in actually catching these individuals. I'd love to see bucket loads of top level athletes get roasted when all is said and done. But the money in the sport is HUGE. So its worth the risk to these players.
If you’re gonna look at Sydney then Warholm should be looked at as well.
Sydney very rarely races which I find odd. At least Bol, warholm, etc are regularly on the diamond league etc so I imagine they get tested a lot and internationally . Surely the more you get tested the more likely you are to get caught. Statistics etc
How about bigger financial punishment????
0.40 noticed spooky little skulls in the drug droplets?
if you're not cheating you're not trying
Bingoo!
What a completely reprehensible thing to say. It says so much about you. Pathetic! And wrong! Too many cheaters, but most don't cheat.
*Say that to your wife when you find out lol*
complete different definition of cheating@@flelite3994
It’d be great if folks would stop pretending that this is cheating when in reality it is what every single top athlete is doing to win.
where there's money there's criminals
I thought this video was going to be about the REAL cheaters...men posing as women to win all the competitions 😂
Don't confuse Germany with East Germany. Very bad mistake to make in your script. Ouch.
Everyone is on steroids-Nate diaz
Has any coach ever tried giving these athletes placebos?
The risk with that is that the athlete could get banned for avoiding tests they would have passed.
Would fish oil and vitamin B12 be considered banned substances in sprinting?
Yes, along side with carbohydrates and oxygen.
This is why it would be a more level field to just let everyone do whatever. I really think Itd be more level than it is now, esp w state sponsored dopin going on
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Flo joe
All you need to know.
Given that all athletes at the top level are on something, or have been previously on something, its no shock anymore. Not to mention, there are drugs that can be taken that are not yet illegal that can effectively flush steroids and HGH traces out the system in 24 hours or less. To give the fairest test to all athletes during the events, all athletes need to be tested daily for the month leading up to the event, anyone on any drugs would have to come off them for a month and it would level the playing field more. however this is expensive and time consuming, and money is to be made when athletes perform better.
Oh, it's the new improved shoes, people claim LOL
Next they'll nail Ryan Crouser and his five foot jump in the shot put over as many years. Same with Kovacs and Walsh at the top of that event. 3 men throwing 75 feet in one meet a few years back? Get real.
Ryan is huge and fast that dude is physically gifted. He also comes from a shot put dynasty.
I know that it' already happening but we should let athletes taking whatever the hell they want to take. I want to see a bunch of new world records get smashed. How quick do you think a human could run the 100m if they were jacked with as many drugs as possible? I'm thinking 9.3?
Usain bolt very likely was super saucy in his prime, so not that much faster than the current record.
Pharmacology: Doping has done all it can do.
Genetic engineering: Hold my deca-durabolin
This happened in 2022. How is it news after a whole year has passed?
I gave up watching athletics - my favourite sport - after the Ben Johnson scandal, and if you look at the frighteningly-long list of athletes who've been caught it's got a lot worse since. And you know it's just the tip of the iceberg. The sanctions are way too lenient. It should be a life ban unless there are strong extenuating circumstances.
i hate to break it to you, but everyone is on drugs at the top level, in every sport. i'm not saying to hate, i'm just stating the reality.
take the mens 100m dash. if Ben Johnson ran a 9.79 on drugs, what makes you believe that Bolt ran his 9.58 all natural? drugs are proven to be so effective that the even worst doped athlete would be faster than the best natural athlete. it just is what it is
Bolt is the most tested athlete and he hasn’t missed a drug test….I could use the same logic and say the same for Michael Jordon or Lebrun James or even Coby that they all are juiced because no one can play like that naturally.
@@jreacts3652 basketball is a team sport and thery’re not just about the pure physical performance of an individual. i don’t think it’s the same thing as individual physical performance-based sports like athletics…