Yuval Noah Harari & Huawei CEO Ren Zhengfei in Conversation - Davos 2020
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- A panel discussion titled, "A Future Shaped by a Technology Arms Race" featuring Prof. Yuval Noah Harari, and CEO of Huawei Ren Zhengfei, moderated by The Economist editor-in-chief Zanny Minton Beddoes, at the World Economic Forum 2020. They ask what can be done to ensure that economies and societies benefit fully from the great potential of promising new technologies?
Yuval Harari is clearly the only real thinker in Davos and also the only one commited to improving the state of the world.
That's Richard Werner actually, a real thinker and a real human being. Harari is just a devil's advocat.
So, why does he stay with these criminals?
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@Merrick Scott instablaster =)
He wants to eliminate free will through gene manipulation. Let that sink in….
CEO’s are salesmen at heart.
@The Mythbuster he might be genuine, but its also likely that he is trying to market his company.
Never fully trust a CEO and definitely not one of a big business.
it's not a fear on technology. it's a fear that the technology gets into wrong hand which will impose suffering on the majority. Yuval is working so hard to prevent this. May all of us be peaceful and really happy because of technology in wise hands.
It already is
Yuval is such an asset and a brilliant thinker to the common human being, ty
Name one who isn't Jewish and hasn't been elevated because of it?
@Miklós Horváth Israelism is not a religion, he's a Jew, but not a religious one
@Miklós Horváth That word would be "criminal", cos they all are!
@Miklós Horváth he's more like a zionist.
very clever person i agree
Prof. Yuval Harari has profoundly changed my outlook on the world, I deeply enjoyed reading Sapiens and Homo Deus!
well then you fell for his bullshit
The fear is not from the technology itself, but on how people use it. you can use a knife to cut fruits or harm a person. In the end, every technology is built or used is the reflection of the person who built it or used it.
shamlan khaled I agree
Agree. The question is can humanity be trusted with all information. We can see with the current crop of current political, business and religious leaders around the world, how much more greedy and self-centered we have become.
@@RexJebamoney It's not self centred and humanity all we have and all those political leaders and religion's leaders that you talking about are just copies to keep ordinary people in the darkness, real religious or political leaders are hunted and they are fighting to survive and get the truth out to the people and not just keep it for corrupt academics worldwide. Just because someone like you can use the system and make easy money out of it ,it's not enough and it's not healthy for the future of man kind or humanity as you call it.
With my regards
Mahmoud Mottaghipour
Date:Thursday 23 January 2020
Number:230120202037
Not when it comes to A.I, Yuval Noah Harari is right to call this out, this can change everything.
@@TheReferrer72 changing everything for whom? I'm sure ordinary people losing and corrupt academics will not let change anything.
With my regards
Mahmoud Mottaghipour
Date:Thursday 23 January 2020
Number:230120202053
Zanny Minton Beddoes, You are very sharp and precise, thanks for moderating the conversation.
What conversation? There was no conversation.
lol 🏆
they think we're too stupid to think for ourselves
The interpreter should be fired as Ren Zhengfei was clearly not answering the questions.
Ren was not answering the questions because he was brought up (and lives) in a communist dictatorship. I can go on about this but the effort is too big...
@Dennis Chu Yes, when you don't know what you are talking about, muddy the waters with cursing and insults. Very mature.
@Aramsawafer then that's what resonated with you 🤣
Love this person
Are u a zombie or a freemason?
I've watched Harari having conversations with these so-called big shots in tech and AI: Zuckerberg, Fei-fei Li, now Huawei CEO. None of them can match Harari's intelligence and mind. They just talk round and round about cliches (i.e. people are kind by nature; technology generally does more good than bad; people start out being afraid of a new tech but later they learn it's good at all, etc etc) without realizing they are talking like a teenager mind in front of a mature mind like Harari. We need more far-sighted sharp minds in tech, folks!
Always /if only meditation could replace religion at least in the US
这就是“对牛弹琴”的最佳写照；当一个人心怀天下，他所有的想法都是积极的，向上的；可当一个人只想着自己的利益，他所有的想法亦是消极的，恐慌的。这是世界的整个趋势，既然害怕的话还不如好好想想如何把新的科技带向积极的方向。任老爷子辛苦了。
rainny jiang 是啊 一群法轮狗留言 攻击任总 他应该获得全世界的尊重 就像杨政宁不亚于霍金 但大批反华狗 逢华必反 不管事实
YNH you should mentor all world leaders. Thank you for all your dedication to save the world..🌍🙏
can we get a native english speaker who is good in mandarin to be the translator in the future?
@Dennis Chu The translator is pretty good and clear, a little bit of accent is acceptable, apparently nobody shows a complain at the meeting. At least, mr.Ren has the gut and knowledge to take the discussion compares to Trump who will show his stupidity if he is at his seat. Oh, by the way, mr.Harari has an accent too, why you don't complain ?
Jackie Chang now works for Huawei?!
😳
OMG he was right! The dude on the left gets hacked at 6:00
I wanna see the conversation from Professors Yuval and Nick Bostrom. Both are big picture thinker.
Ran Zhengfei didn't directly address most of the questions put to him. Is this a "lost in translation" thing?
yeah, i hate this situation
We don't seem anywhere close to that point. People can barely explain forms of thinking and have many limited views about forms of thinking, how it is done and how exactly it is narrowed or expanded.
Changing emotional states would be amazing.
El señor REn Zhengfei es el epítome de todas las reglas del poder y de la educación del Príncipe...
Great discussion
Thank
Good last point: empower the individual!
I think this conversation boils down to The Old Testament and the TAO-Te-Cheng mindset world views. At least, we have two options.
Underrated comment.
Inspiring, 👍✊
Yuval Noah harari + Elon Musk =🔥
Satanic Agenda
I always get this sketchy feeling when people working with AI are asked about the life-n-death consequences of the technology and they routinely brush it aside, saying those who ask are being neurotic. The human being is a beautiful and vile creature. And why would they admit it???? We in danger, gurl.
Also there is a such thing as a respectful level of fear. Like playing with fire, it is very easy for it to get out of hand quickly. Respect it and don’t turn your back on it.
There's a short single word to describe your discussion... It's called "THE-MATRIX".😂😂😂
Harari, the perfect storyteller...
Why doesn't Zanny Minton Beddoes stay backstage?
Doesn't she have a professional host? She's also
interested in not scaring people off. There are so
many young people who should be given the chance.
Doing everything by yourself, trying to bob and weave,
sometimes it just reaches its limit.
When this guy says don't worry... I feel like he sounds like a supervillain
Jordan Braz hahaha，you wait and see！
Yeah, he is like the villain of The Wolverine movie.
This comment aged well.
Yuval Noah Harari would be one of the clearest thinkers of our time. Lets create an AI for surveillance of the people in power
of your times, maybe. I think he is just jabbering.
My respect for Mr Ren, fighting for his daughter's freedom.
Interesting to note that one is defending a system and the other is looking at human evolution in general. Ordinary citizens will remain ordinary in this world controlled by the selfish and the shallow minded.
Thank you for sharing the discussion. Two views on one topic and to be honest Mr. Harari is speaking more the INDUSTRY 5.0 language and I would be happy if he joins me on the INDUSTRY 5.0 construction site of the wasteless world
Is there any way to hear Ren's actual response?
'The new technologies will soon give some corporations and governments the ability to hack Human Beings. There is a lot of talk about hacking computers, smart phones, emails, bank accounts, etc. But the really big thing is hacking Human Beings: [easy to do] with a lot of biological knowledge, a lot of computing power, and a lot of data.' 3:56 Wow!
where have i seen this guy before..ah yes
the simpson's ....mr burns incarnate
I guess Cambridge Analytical never happened according to Wawei
There were two ways to use the decision support system or the recommender system. One way is using it for commercial benefits, another way is using it for individual health.
The algorithm which was used to see the new youtube video might be similar to the algorithm of promoting healthy behavior, but it bases on a completely different logic.
A deeper insight is the algorithm on the advertising application designed to fit the simple needs of human beings which were developed in the last millions of years, or you can say the sin of humanity. However, the algorithm of promoting healthy behavior based on the needs of humanity for the future who we want to be.
We were first "hacked" when we were expelled from eden. Human history is a history of "hacker attacks".
6:24 this sentence worried me the most.
He says that technology is inherent good. Therefore it could be argued, that it needs an evil attempt to be missuesd.
I would argue, that technology simply is foremost. It can be used for good or bad. But it is and it will take influence, maybe even not anticipated and in the best hopes it could do very harmful things.
By saying that technology is good, he puts a lot of the worrying to the side. But by seeing, that is you must be more careful..
Great observation! This is something that i thought of recently too. It is about antagonism. When you build a system of values based on good and bad, there is always a risk for abuse.
@@alles_moegliche73
It's right he was specialized in military history.
What makes you think that Hararis great plan is to control the poor through fear of military AI?
@@alles_moegliche73 I can't tell why the ceo is so less engaged nor why the interviewer is the way she is or what buzz words were used.
Harrais view is quite grimmer when you look at his other interviews and talks.
He says, the working poor already is getting exploited. But at least they were needed in some sort of sense for their work power.
But through AI there will be a new class, the useless. Automation will create big shifts.
He talks about many aspects, but in this talk it made kinda sense to me, that he limited his message.
If Hararis worst fears become true, you won't need to worry about poor getting exploited for work. The poor won't have anything to offer anymore worth exploiting...
So we need to think about these things now to find solutions to prevent the worst
Gevan Lappido he spealizsd in medieval history and wrote a few books about war tactics from that time
Is it translating real-time using AI technology?
I think so.
human interpreter of course
Prof Harari’s illumination of the subjects moderated are simply brilliant and I hope Prof Harari continues to show us the way as human thinker (not AI). I also hope Prof Harari do not join any large business corporation because that might influence his thinking. Hey Facebook, here’s a warning: please don’t hire the Prof because if you do, your stock value might plunge 50% overnight!
The choice of the individual is that you do not have to buy things. You can chose what you spend your money on. Therefore, you collectively pressure companies or corporations to provide the products that you desire. If you don't like something, don't buy it.
Grazie prof, excellent as always!!🔟🙏🙏
why there is no Arabic translation plz ?
3:41 you don't need to send soldiers in when you have all the data
Yuval is all abstract. Ren is all realist. The future lies somewhere in the middle.
Harari is all bullshit. He talks in general terms but never really says a damn thing.
@@terminaltom1662 I wanted to say the same but am usually too polite.
What's wrong with this translator?
The fear is not technology but how we use it
CEOs are similar to politicians in the way they address the public. Leaders from the establishment always talk in the safest terms possible since there are so much at stake for them. So I do not blame Ren personally for painting the future in the brightest way. He definitely is not a dumb optimist, as suggested by his company's strategic preparations for US sanctions, which he mentioned in the talk. I would take away from this conversation the last point which interestingly are shared by both, that is, individuals should also be able to take advantage of such tech advancement to fight against government/corporate surveillance and for collective emancipation.
Great Huawei!I love HUAWEI !
Why?
what about The Venus Project???
amazing speech as always.
Now we need some sacrifice from our Davos men who r still delusional there is a win/win when the wealth gaps r this wide & the US is on the verge of collapse
The fact that Ren Zhengfei focuses on the word "truth" in terms of the main goal in science is groundbreaking for a Chinese state entrepreneur.
i wasn't sure if zhengfei was just bluffing or if he is really that oblivious to what is going on. but his comment regarding automated weapons made it clear to me that he was indeed bluffing. because nobody in a position like his could be *that* naive.
Harari is a danger for the future..
I don’t get the fear. A.I. makes democracy and the market obsolete, I buy that. So what, democracy is not a value in itself, it’s a tool for well being. If A.I. is better at that, go for A.I. as an ordering principle than. Don’t hang on the past. My hope is that A.I. Increases the amount of information prossesing of the Cosmos and is the lagacy of humanity in the universe when we are gone. I feel very optimistic about the future of A.I..
why he came
Professor H. is like a confident-lost human who fears about unknown knowledge.
CEOs & Politicians are too optimistic to be realist. They dont even want to undestand what Prof Harari is telling us.
If you believe what the Chinese guy says you are nuts.
Harari is nuts and needs to be placed in jail where he can do no harm. He's dangerous!!! His mind is warped.
PLEASE CHANGE THE TRANSLATOR OMG! MY ears
Someone should've told this guy in the front that this was being recorded anyway.
That woman at the beginning just rambled and rambled
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
People in countries who have aggressive posture and hegomonic designs tend have a mindset like Yuval. They see a cutting tool as a murder weapon and feel no one is entitled to have it other than themselves.
Consumers are king, in supermarkets clients can leave packaging in the store.
Mr. Ren simply avoided answering questions directly or playing weak and dumb. Professor Harari is right on. let's hope the ai arm race does not hurt humanity, and let's hope Mr. Elon Mask or someone else will develop the technology enabling individuals hacking governments and rulers. But so far, given the level the education and awareness of ordinary people, who are mostly fooled by the rulers, an wakeup call by people like Professor Harari in much needed.
"Mr. Ren simply avoided answering questions directly or playing weak and dumb "
- Is that the Chinese way?
Ren is insincere and lying soo much, can't believe it he expect people to buy it
The moderator Zanny’s voice is anxiety inducing. While it seemed that Huawei’s Ren was talking at very basic level regarding technology and trust I wonder if he should be given the benefit of the doubt because he was speaking through a translator and the questions and answers perhaps didn’t do him justice. But his example of nuclear/radiation fear>utilization was pretty weak.
Brazil is really a laboratory of how new technology could destroy democracy, here technology did not make people more inteligente but did the opposite, the CEO cant compare chinese culture to others cultures. Thanks Harari to makes us think about this threat
The translator didn't reassure me one bit. He talked about rules and limits as concepts only, whereas YNH says we urgently need to have that proper discussion now - before it's too late!
If you remove so many of the jobs with AI and automation, what are the bored, restless people without any purpose going to do? History answers that question, so the antidote is to control and suppress the jobless masses. In the past they were occupied building pyramids. Those with power, know this too, so obviously they have a plan. Just not shared with us yet! How "useful" would adapted bio-tech be in this future scenario....
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31:20 BITCOIN/CRYPTO
Do not want.
Shoshana Zuboff's Surveillance Capitalism is very Relevant here.
So the guy who makes money from selling books on doom and gloom predicts doom and gloom?
I have no idea as to what are these 2 saying. All I know is that we have tendency to romanticize our new technologies. Let's not forget that it doesn't change the fact that we are Humans and that New Sciences and Technologies come with very nasty "side effects."
Very passionate emotional dramatically every human feeling here is involved …. I am very touched
Tecnologia por si mesma não é boa, nem má. O Uso, sim.
Take home message - we'll get used to being treated like animals on the farm. All for the good then.
Something bothering about Prof. Harari is where he comes from. I like the way he analyses things but I really wonder if he is truly a believer in truth, I wonder why such an enlightening icon name should appear next to the imagination of Israel I have in mind ? He could have chosen his name association to any university he liked due to his publicity. Are you really talking about something new or you are risen up because Netahnyaho believes if you are good scientifically people should forget about some aspects of your past cruelty ? Your security there my friend depends on large technological imbalance. You yourself are a conflict of interest between truth and technological imbalance .
My AI colleagues tell me that people's' imagination is far ahead of the technology and this is not even the first time this happens for AI. Me, I do not know, but I tend to listen to experts. Harari is an historian.
ئارتیفیکل ئینتلنجت رووخێنەری سەدەی بیستویەک
Technology is how human intelligence is most strongly manifested. This conversation is primarily about the nature of the singularity.The Prof.’s has always said that he isn’t anti-tech but simply balancing out the conversation from Silicon Valley - I think these conversations are - especially this one, since unlike a conversation (that I would between one of my other favorite authors, Ray Kurzweil) like this includes one of the power players whose opinion - formed by, luckily, more than Trump’s horrifying, essentially Luddite (although that trend did begin with the ban on stem cell research and the lack of scientific literacy is the reason that is allowed to continue - why if I get burned badly here I am fucked, while for example as a Wired article like two years ago, in Europe hospitals don’t even have burn units given the use of stem cells).
Harari feeds on fear. There's a lot of fear around. He found a tricky way to get publicity. He's very intelligent.
I think it can help if we're all working on becoming better humans, so if the technologies will develop anyway we will at least have the best possible handling. And in case we are already all connected to some superbrain collecting data we can put in more good ideas and thoughts, right.
Facing the rep of a 21century Stalin applicant. To the least, Ren is a materialist and neither has idea about the existential danger nor wishes to address it, he represents a regime who plays fire and pushes limits.
wow a CEO of a company promising us there will be no problem with their product..sound familiar?..
Nooremberger
The Israeli homosexual wants to play God
atomic energy!
When one really manages to see something from the bottom of the abyss, the warning has also seen in the back of your mind. When artificial intelligence or government really understands the bottom of the mentality of some group of humans or human being, then part of that human being will have changed the observer. at that higher level hatred and resentment and prejudice vanish. we live in the universerve or relevances the meaning are links
Not good combination
No Corona Virus there?
It would have been interesting to have them discuss the coronavirus, but it may not have been in the news at the time they filmed this video.The scary thing is that " Huawei" CEO , Ran Zhengfei, didn't look too well...I hope he is ok , and also I hope Yuval is ok too.
are you kidding?
We are lagging more and more behind in turning the climate change to our advantage. AI will be a powerful instrument to create effecient halt in CO2. We must use its ability for rapid development of new technology.
In human history everyone who has been hampering technologic development has lost this fight, be religion, church, ideology like in the Soviet system.
He is not a ludoist. He is just stating that the way ere are going, we can be building a terrible distopia ir extintion ( not only biological) and its literally our chooice where to go as a species.