That’s how I feel about people that say, “Why don’t you, fan of New Vegas, like the show if it has Veteran Ranger Armor, Mr House, and the Strip?” And it’s that reason. I don’t like New Vegas because of its pretty armor or locations, even though they are nice. I like New Vegas because of the story, characters, factions, and how my decisions impact them.
@@windwaker105truly your decisions of “the entire game before you get to Vegas doesn’t matter because you can cripple both major factions forever but you get forgiven” you don’t understand what makes new Vegas good.
Good to see that not everyone is looking at things through rose tinted glasses. People give writers unfamiliar with the lore way too big of a benefit of the doubt.
I didn't catch the 2277 date of Lucy's mom's death, but that further confirms that Todd just 'patched' the show for the creators. Good channel, looking forward to seeing more videos from you. Subbed.
Fallout fans when an image is unlabeled (they apparently aren’t smart enough to understand the fucking arrow that implies the event happens after the previously recorded event)
@@FloofMother Show fans when bad writing gets criticized (they have this intense urge to defend a bad product created by a multibillion dollar company).
@@HyakuSh1ki fallout “fans” when they don’t understand the lore (they need to defensively claim that they understand it more than anyone, even the developers)
@@HyakuSh1ki “bad product created by a multibillion dollar company” dude you’re the hero of the proletariat. You’re standing up the bourgeoise by attacking… a piece of art… and doing so in an extremely bad faith and intellectually dishonest way… it’s always funny to me to see people like you dress up their takes with anti capitalist language because you’re trying to distract from the fact that this is just you seething with no deeper motivation than that. Quite sad. I liked the part in the show where the good guys brought hope to the world at the end, even if it helped their enemies more than it helped them. If LA lighting back up didn’t bring a smile to your face, idk what to say to you, you’re cooked
I understand that finding what seems like a plot hole can be frustrating and might feel like the story’s integrity is compromised. It’s natural then for an Author to clarify. Have you considered they are addressing it to honestly clarify? Imagine you worked on something and one person wildly misinterprets what you worked on and like a complete loon starts shouting about it causing a disturbance before people have even given you a chance they've jumped to irrational conclusions and as you try to defend yourself you are again drowned out by the incited angry mob "Pff look at him trying to do damage control" When all you were doing was telling the truth so that people wouldn't be irrationally upset at you anymore. Have you considered that? Have you taken a step back, taken a deep breath, and really thought rationally about this? Because if you have and you're still angry, is it really a healthy thing to put yourself in a constant state of fight or flight like this? Because let me explain how unproductive that behavior is. It leads to entrenched thinking where you start seeing innocent well-meaning people as enemies and you'll never be able to make connections with those people by acting irrationally aggressive. Perhaps then you may think melancholy and indifference is a better approach, but I say again why deteriorate your mental state like this? Letting yourself become depressed isn't a reasonable response. Could it not be that perhaps you were wrong about the show and if you give it just a bit of leeway that yeah, maybe Shady Sands fell before the nuke? You'd be happier if you could accept this reality instead of being angry, wouldn't you say? Eh? I think you can do it. Don't let spitefulness cloud your judgement.
@@NotTheWheel tldr The show writers are dumb and should have come up with another sentence instead of FALL OF SHADY SANDS because that sentence almost always means that the entity mentioned ceased to exist or was conquered.
@@gabriele3665 yes but the "plot hole" if one could even call it such a thing was did it get nuked at that time, the answer is most likely no. It got nuked sometime later which is fine.
@@NotTheWheel When did Pearl Harbor get attacked? 1941. When did Berlin and the Third Reich fall? 1945. They tried to retcon FNV and we slammed them hard enough they had to backtrack in an interview. It shows that the License needs to be taken away from Bethesda or nothing will improve.
They won’t apologize because one: you don’t have a point to stand on, and two: even if you did, you’re such a smug douche about it no one in their right mind would admit you have a point, because it’s not about the truth or good writing for you, it’s about moral satisfaction and superiority. Despair with every new fallout property coming out because you for some reason can’t enjoy anything anymore, despair at the fact that random ass people don’t owe you an apology (unironically the fact that you said that without a hint of irony is funny as hell). Or you could just like, watch a tv show and have a bit of fun for once in your life rather than trying to get your satisfaction by making yourself miserable and picking the most contrarian takes because it makes you feel special (or a “noticer” god, you people pick the worst terms)
@FloofMother that's not the issue. Bethesda writing has been going down hill since fallout 3. It shows in starfield, fallout 76 and 4. The reason why I don't like the show is because it's badly written and fucks the whole entire lore of the games and even Bethesda lore.
@@FloofMother just because you need to voice non-existent arguments in a way that makes you sound smarter doesn't mean the show or entire bethesda fallout is a steaming pile of crap nor are they immune from criticism just because you "liked it" you can enjoy bad things and dislike great things only you and your entire kind can't admit that it's crap, you must be right, you don't make mistakes everyone who disagrees is either stupid, ignorant or just a hater just because you have no taste and are so easily entertained doesn't mean everyone has to be equally dumb people being critical of media they consume have right to demand better especially when they are expected to pay
@@ryszakowy here’s your comment: “Show bad because you dumb, I smart and everyone secretly agrees with me but can’t admit it, also I’m not going to make any arguments for why I’m right because… I JUST AM, OK!!!!”
There’s also the fact Shady Sands is nowhere near where it’s was located in Fallout 1. They have it right next door to the boneyard. When it should be hundreds of miles away.
Do you understand how big the LA metropolitan area is? Not only that, every location from the games isn’t where it’s actually supposed to be, the games aren’t 1:1 scale with reality lmao
@@FloofMother Fallout 1 had Shady Sands further North, nowhere near Los Angeles. Here's Fallout 1's map for a visual reference. www.gamebanshee.com/fallout/worldmap/images/fallout1mapsmall.jpg So yeah, they screwed up the placement of Shady Sands.
I knew from the start that the show wasn't going to respect anything established in the games, but I believe I gave it a fair chance to be strong as a work of fanfiction. What I got was Rick and Morty in the desert.
Yes. The ghoul(Rick): is cold and does whatever heartless thing is required to do in order to survive and even finds humour in it because of how long he's been doing it. Lucy(Morty): Oh Geez Rick. I- i- don't think it's right to eat the person you just killed. A-a-and maybe there's another way we can go about this that doesn't involve violence? @@nathanlevesque7812
While it's possible due to backlash that the Fallout showrunners are backtracking on retconning New Vegas, I think it's just as likely that they made a major mistake and just got the dates wrong- and by the time they noticed, it was too late to fix. If this is the case, I can't help but wonder how Death of the Author should be utilized in cases of error where it wasn't meant to be like that in the first place.
Fallout 76’s entire premise literally contradicts one of the main plot points lmao. “Let’s kill the competition, whilst also releasing vault 76, 15 and 8 (I hope I got the numbers right) into the wild with equipment to help them rebuild” So either the villain is dumb, they’ll retcon in an excuse to get away with it, or the show isn’t cannon, all of the above options are bad for the show/showrunners.
Great Video, I know they retconned quite a bit and the backpedaling in interviews show that they probably didn't do as much research into the games as they could have, but overall I really enjoyed the show.
I had to uninstall Fallout 4 after the Script Extender broke from the "update". And seeing how once again Bethesda just went with , "ENCLAVE BAD , Shoot them". AFter it gets updated hopefully i can get back to my America Rising playthrough. For now its back to doing Necromancer runs in Skyrim XD.
Techically you can play with current mods. You just need to lauch game directly from steam, not through mod manager. Mod manager use only for mod installation.
Honestly I was just feeling petty and wanted to include as many clips as possible of power armor without fusion cores opening up instead of locking the user in. Also the enclave complain about how dirty the wasteland is then set up their HQ in the glowing sea.
@@masterficusit would be riveting gameplay to have you be locked in your power armor without a fusion core so you have to trek to find one while moving at the speed of an overencumbered character and not being able to use vats. Why don’t you go make another video with a pretentious title that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand and leave the game design to people who actually understand what fun is
@@masterficusthey should’ve set up their hq in the middle of Boston, you’re so right, the enclave have never done anything hypocritical before, that’s impossible for a faction to say one thing and do another, that’s not a basic writing technique or a criticism of that faction and how they operate, it MUST be Bethesda bad!!!1!1!!1!1!
One thing I hate, is that people will point to Tim Cain and say “he liked it, so why complain!”. As if one of the lead members of obsidian would ever bash a product of a franchise held by a sister company under the same corporation. Even if he really does like it, it doesn’t matter much. Once these properties become public, everyone has their equal interpretation of the franchise. While I respect Tim, I also don’t think that having an OG creators input means much of anything. A few high up members of bungie who worked on the original Halo trilogy ended up coming back to 343i for infinite, and while it was better than 4/5. It was still missing quite a bit. These games are the result of hundreds of people contributing to their greatness, not one man who has complete control over everything.
Tbf often times the sequel game does establish a canonically correct choice In fallout 1 the brotherhood could be wiped out by mutants or turn into a zealous cult and go to war with the ncr already by the time of f2. Instead in f2 we get the brotherhood still alive and that for a while has cooperated with the ncr In f2 the ncr could end up being turned into a military dictatorship or vault 15 could refuse to join the ncr slowing the ncr expansion. In new Vegas we know it's not the case.
Agreed, I'm just arguing for the separation of games/movies/shows and what the creators say online. A canon sequel will work off the choices available in the original, while you can still criticize whatever choices for whatever reason (as long as you can explain why), arguing that it's not canon in that situation is a bit silly
The nuking of Sahdy sands simply couldnt have happened on 2277, not only is that the same year as the 1st battle of hoover damn, but shady sands its very much around durin new vegas. Terrible writting by people that didnt bother, simple as.
There was never the need of the show to be on the west coast. The reason it was on the west coast was purely to destroy the legacy of black isle and Obsidian. Superior maker of games compared to Bethesda.
For the sake of argument just because he said her mother died in the plague of 77 that could coincide with him taking the kids back from her and then they nuked shady sands down the line. The fall refers to taking the children back that caused friction between the factions and a nuke went off down the line. This show purposely fucks with you and wants to frustrate you, it’s just like west world season 1 but hopefully it doesn’t end up west world season 2-4
Maybe? I don't see how taking two non NCR kids could raise frictions enough to warrant a nuke, and there's nothing to indicate there was any outside communication from the vault, and if there was friction from the NCR way more people would know of the vault and seek revenge.
The way Moldaver tells it, “But then her husband came after her. And when she decided not to return home. He took the children. And he burned that city to the ground. Shady Sands. That’s how Vault Tec deals with competition. Just like they did 200 years ago.” A prolonged struggle doesn’t fit in with this telling of events.
The essay is 6-8 pages long. Why can't you just read it? Death of the Author wasn't an argument of the Death of the Author's influence but the Death of the Concept of Authorship itself. Barthes wanted to replace the word author with the word "scriptor". The essay was a metaphysical justification for ignoring the obvious cause-effect of "writer writes story->story know exists". The modern interpretation is also useless because everyone know that the author can lie, forget, or make mistakes. What Death of the Author takes away is the idea of Fallibility. Now when there is a lore inconsistency, people have to invent stupid headcanon to justify it instead of using common sense and saying the author just didn't care.
I did read it, just didn't want to read the whole thing out for the video, also big words are hard. I don't know what "concept of authorship" means but my takeaway was that knowledge of who the author is, their intent, will lead to a different interpretation of the work and narrow what the audience can take away from the work. I didn't see where he wanted to replace "author" with "scriptor", which is good because that's stupid, give it five years and "scriptor" would be used interchangeably with "author" The modern interpretation is still useful, fallout is a great example, because what spurred me to make this video was the flood of people using interviews and twitter statements from the creators as a defense for the show. As far as fallibility, the media can still be bad without taking the authors intent into play, like I said outside information, like who made it, can still be useful in a meta sense, i.e. if the media was bad that probably means whoever made it did a bad job, But to be fair I don't think that's Barthes version, that's how I understand the modern interpretation to be.
@@masterficus 1) Barthes didn't used the word "Scriptor" in the essay. It is just something that he tried to push after publishing his essay. 2) DotA was written at 1967. Scriptor didn't catch on then; it won't catch on now. 3) The idea of DotA is not the same as "separate the art from the artist". It is outright denial of reality. The essay argues that it is fine to interpret a book written in 1990 to have allegory for 9/11. 4) You are missing my point about fallibility. Not every plothole has an in-universe explanation.
@@masterficus I really didn't know how to process "As far as fallibility, the media can still be bad without taking the authors intent into play" because what I meant about Fallibility in this regard isn't about quality but factual accuracy. People who complain about "Media Literacy" often use headcanon to justify plotholes and complain to others for "not getting it" or "can't read between the lines".
I think I understand what you're saying. "If you completely separate the work from the creator then there can't be flaws because the reader will fill in the gaps with their own "interpretation"" "Writing for the authors" and headcanon are an issue I'll agree with that, but you can still take a step back and say "how did we get from point A to point B" and if the media doesn't answer that then it's still a plot hole, don't need the authors interpretation for that
Basically, you were unsatisfied with the conclusions you were given by the authors. You were also dissatisfied with the audience's conclusion that shady sands fell then sometime later the nuke fell. Seeing how it says "Fall of Shady Sands" -> -> 🤯(implying some time passed) You're only satisfied if the lore of New Vegas is ruined, and won't even acknowledge the potential for unreliable narrations, So damn the authors, damn the fans. I'd say that's about accurate to what's going on here. The game was rigged from the start. You weren't going to allow the potential for there to be even a choice of yourself being incorrect.
Lmao, the entire premise of fallout 76 and fallout 2 both contradict the show lmao. “Let’s get rid of the competition, by shoving people into vaults, giving them the requisite equipment to help rebuild and doing nothing for 200 years” *Bad* *Writing*
The modern audience won't care as long as keys are jangled and the slop satisfies.
That’s exactly how I see it, feels like I’m living in Idiocracy with how much praise this mediocre show got
I wish the spurs were jingle jangle jingling
We live in an era where midwits intended to be punks and intellectuals, but they are incapable of rebelling and thinking. Truly golems.
That’s how I feel about people that say, “Why don’t you, fan of New Vegas, like the show if it has Veteran Ranger Armor, Mr House, and the Strip?” And it’s that reason. I don’t like New Vegas because of its pretty armor or locations, even though they are nice. I like New Vegas because of the story, characters, factions, and how my decisions impact them.
@@windwaker105truly your decisions of “the entire game before you get to Vegas doesn’t matter because you can cripple both major factions forever but you get forgiven” you don’t understand what makes new Vegas good.
Good to see that not everyone is looking at things through rose tinted glasses. People give writers unfamiliar with the lore way too big of a benefit of the doubt.
I didn't catch the 2277 date of Lucy's mom's death, but that further confirms that Todd just 'patched' the show for the creators.
Good channel, looking forward to seeing more videos from you. Subbed.
This show messed things up so much that Todd had to "patch" it during an interview.
The writers are really that bad.
Fallout fans when an image is unlabeled (they apparently aren’t smart enough to understand the fucking arrow that implies the event happens after the previously recorded event)
@@FloofMother Show fans when bad writing gets criticized (they have this intense urge to defend a bad product created by a multibillion dollar company).
@@HyakuSh1ki fallout “fans” when they don’t understand the lore (they need to defensively claim that they understand it more than anyone, even the developers)
@@HyakuSh1ki good claim, can you back it up with evidence?
@@HyakuSh1ki “bad product created by a multibillion dollar company” dude you’re the hero of the proletariat. You’re standing up the bourgeoise by attacking… a piece of art… and doing so in an extremely bad faith and intellectually dishonest way… it’s always funny to me to see people like you dress up their takes with anti capitalist language because you’re trying to distract from the fact that this is just you seething with no deeper motivation than that. Quite sad. I liked the part in the show where the good guys brought hope to the world at the end, even if it helped their enemies more than it helped them. If LA lighting back up didn’t bring a smile to your face, idk what to say to you, you’re cooked
Fantastic conclusion, I'll make sure to stay hydrated
Their attempts at damage control do nothing to alleviate the lore purge.
I understand that finding what seems like a plot hole can be frustrating and might feel like the story’s integrity is compromised. It’s natural then for an Author to clarify.
Have you considered they are addressing it to honestly clarify?
Imagine you worked on something and one person wildly misinterprets what you worked on and like a complete loon starts shouting about it causing a disturbance before people have even given you a chance they've jumped to irrational conclusions and as you try to defend yourself you are again drowned out by the incited angry mob "Pff look at him trying to do damage control"
When all you were doing was telling the truth so that people wouldn't be irrationally upset at you anymore.
Have you considered that? Have you taken a step back, taken a deep breath, and really thought rationally about this?
Because if you have and you're still angry, is it really a healthy thing to put yourself in a constant state of fight or flight like this? Because let me explain how unproductive that behavior is. It leads to entrenched thinking where you start seeing innocent well-meaning people as enemies and you'll never be able to make connections with those people by acting irrationally aggressive.
Perhaps then you may think melancholy and indifference is a better approach, but I say again why deteriorate your mental state like this? Letting yourself become depressed isn't a reasonable response. Could it not be that perhaps you were wrong about the show and if you give it just a bit of leeway that yeah, maybe Shady Sands fell before the nuke? You'd be happier if you could accept this reality instead of being angry, wouldn't you say? Eh?
I think you can do it. Don't let spitefulness cloud your judgement.
@@NotTheWheel tldr
The show writers are dumb and should have come up with another sentence instead of FALL OF SHADY SANDS because that sentence almost always means that the entity mentioned ceased to exist or was conquered.
@@gabriele3665 yes but the "plot hole" if one could even call it such a thing was did it get nuked at that time, the answer is most likely no. It got nuked sometime later which is fine.
@@NotTheWheel When did Pearl Harbor get attacked? 1941. When did Berlin and the Third Reich fall? 1945.
They tried to retcon FNV and we slammed them hard enough they had to backtrack in an interview. It shows that the License needs to be taken away from Bethesda or nothing will improve.
@@NotTheWheel All those words just to tell me you're a simp. Cool. I'm still correct.
More people are becoming noticers. But people won’t ever apologize to people who pointed it out first
They won’t apologize because one: you don’t have a point to stand on, and two: even if you did, you’re such a smug douche about it no one in their right mind would admit you have a point, because it’s not about the truth or good writing for you, it’s about moral satisfaction and superiority.
Despair with every new fallout property coming out because you for some reason can’t enjoy anything anymore, despair at the fact that random ass people don’t owe you an apology (unironically the fact that you said that without a hint of irony is funny as hell).
Or you could just like, watch a tv show and have a bit of fun for once in your life rather than trying to get your satisfaction by making yourself miserable and picking the most contrarian takes because it makes you feel special (or a “noticer” god, you people pick the worst terms)
@FloofMother that's not the issue. Bethesda writing has been going down hill since fallout 3. It shows in starfield, fallout 76 and 4. The reason why I don't like the show is because it's badly written and fucks the whole entire lore of the games and even Bethesda lore.
@@FloofMotheryou will be ended, a nice decoration on a lamp post
@@FloofMother just because you need to voice non-existent arguments in a way that makes you sound smarter doesn't mean the show or entire bethesda fallout is a steaming pile of crap nor are they immune from criticism just because you "liked it"
you can enjoy bad things and dislike great things
only you and your entire kind can't admit that it's crap, you must be right, you don't make mistakes
everyone who disagrees is either stupid, ignorant or just a hater
just because you have no taste and are so easily entertained doesn't mean everyone has to be equally dumb
people being critical of media they consume have right to demand better especially when they are expected to pay
@@ryszakowy here’s your comment:
“Show bad because you dumb, I smart and everyone secretly agrees with me but can’t admit it, also I’m not going to make any arguments for why I’m right because… I JUST AM, OK!!!!”
There’s also the fact Shady Sands is nowhere near where it’s was located in Fallout 1.
They have it right next door to the boneyard. When it should be hundreds of miles away.
Do you understand how big the LA metropolitan area is? Not only that, every location from the games isn’t where it’s actually supposed to be, the games aren’t 1:1 scale with reality lmao
@@FloofMother Fallout 1 had Shady Sands further North, nowhere near Los Angeles. Here's Fallout 1's map for a visual reference.
www.gamebanshee.com/fallout/worldmap/images/fallout1mapsmall.jpg
So yeah, they screwed up the placement of Shady Sands.
@@FloofMother Please play Fallout 1. Please.
@@atomicglow9102 I have, I don’t understand how that addresses my point in the slightest
@@FloofMother The map in Fallout 1 has Shady Sands to the north. Again, it's nowhere near Los Angeles.
Great, succinct point about lore changes in any medium. Couldn't agree more.
Brilliant explanation, I’m glad to have recently discovered your content. 👍
I knew from the start that the show wasn't going to respect anything established in the games, but I believe I gave it a fair chance to be strong as a work of fanfiction. What I got was Rick and Morty in the desert.
Rick and Morty?
Yes.
The ghoul(Rick): is cold and does whatever heartless thing is required to do in order to survive and even finds humour in it because of how long he's been doing it.
Lucy(Morty): Oh Geez Rick. I- i- don't think it's right to eat the person you just killed. A-a-and maybe there's another way we can go about this that doesn't involve violence? @@nathanlevesque7812
More like the Jetsons especialy aestheticaly!
While it's possible due to backlash that the Fallout showrunners are backtracking on retconning New Vegas, I think it's just as likely that they made a major mistake and just got the dates wrong- and by the time they noticed, it was too late to fix. If this is the case, I can't help but wonder how Death of the Author should be utilized in cases of error where it wasn't meant to be like that in the first place.
they already destroyed shady sands and new vegas
how is this a mistake
Fallout 76’s entire premise literally contradicts one of the main plot points lmao.
“Let’s kill the competition, whilst also releasing vault 76, 15 and 8 (I hope I got the numbers right) into the wild with equipment to help them rebuild”
So either the villain is dumb, they’ll retcon in an excuse to get away with it, or the show isn’t cannon, all of the above options are bad for the show/showrunners.
Great Video, I know they retconned quite a bit and the backpedaling in interviews show that they probably didn't do as much research into the games as they could have, but overall I really enjoyed the show.
Cases like Fallout are more like "Suicide of the Author", since they contradict their own writing.
bethesda is not the author
they just stole it and bastardised it
Get that jelly mold outta here
I had to uninstall Fallout 4 after the Script Extender broke from the "update". And seeing how once again Bethesda just went with , "ENCLAVE BAD , Shoot them". AFter it gets updated hopefully i can get back to my America Rising playthrough. For now its back to doing Necromancer runs in Skyrim XD.
Role back the version of fo4 with beta option
(If on steam)
Techically you can play with current mods. You just need to lauch game directly from steam, not through mod manager. Mod manager use only for mod installation.
Honestly I was just feeling petty and wanted to include as many clips as possible of power armor without fusion cores opening up instead of locking the user in.
Also the enclave complain about how dirty the wasteland is then set up their HQ in the glowing sea.
@@masterficusit would be riveting gameplay to have you be locked in your power armor without a fusion core so you have to trek to find one while moving at the speed of an overencumbered character and not being able to use vats. Why don’t you go make another video with a pretentious title that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand and leave the game design to people who actually understand what fun is
@@masterficusthey should’ve set up their hq in the middle of Boston, you’re so right, the enclave have never done anything hypocritical before, that’s impossible for a faction to say one thing and do another, that’s not a basic writing technique or a criticism of that faction and how they operate, it MUST be Bethesda bad!!!1!1!!1!1!
I will drink some water, thank you
One thing I hate, is that people will point to Tim Cain and say “he liked it, so why complain!”. As if one of the lead members of obsidian would ever bash a product of a franchise held by a sister company under the same corporation. Even if he really does like it, it doesn’t matter much. Once these properties become public, everyone has their equal interpretation of the franchise. While I respect Tim, I also don’t think that having an OG creators input means much of anything. A few high up members of bungie who worked on the original Halo trilogy ended up coming back to 343i for infinite, and while it was better than 4/5. It was still missing quite a bit. These games are the result of hundreds of people contributing to their greatness, not one man who has complete control over everything.
people like to hold tim cain to a higher degree too much, as much as he contributed, so did a lot of other people
Amazing Video Ficus. Really good stuff, nice short and compact video about the Death of the Death of the Author and its consequences.
Great video, Ficus!
Tbf often times the sequel game does establish a canonically correct choice
In fallout 1 the brotherhood could be wiped out by mutants or turn into a zealous cult and go to war with the ncr already by the time of f2. Instead in f2 we get the brotherhood still alive and that for a while has cooperated with the ncr
In f2 the ncr could end up being turned into a military dictatorship or vault 15 could refuse to join the ncr slowing the ncr expansion. In new Vegas we know it's not the case.
Agreed, I'm just arguing for the separation of games/movies/shows and what the creators say online. A canon sequel will work off the choices available in the original, while you can still criticize whatever choices for whatever reason (as long as you can explain why), arguing that it's not canon in that situation is a bit silly
Nate the Rake is canon.
thanks, i need to drink water ASAP
The nuking of Sahdy sands simply couldnt have happened on 2277, not only is that the same year as the 1st battle of hoover damn, but shady sands its very much around durin new vegas.
Terrible writting by people that didnt bother, simple as.
Cool video! Would you like to smoke "Weed" and watch "Hazbin Hotel" with me?????????
:3
*Drinking water* 👍
The idea that a work can be independent of its creators is absurd unless its a collaborative work
How come? Also most movies/shows/games are a team effort.
There was never the need of the show to be on the west coast.
The reason it was on the west coast was purely to destroy the legacy of black isle and Obsidian. Superior maker of games compared to Bethesda.
For the sake of argument just because he said her mother died in the plague of 77 that could coincide with him taking the kids back from her and then they nuked shady sands down the line. The fall refers to taking the children back that caused friction between the factions and a nuke went off down the line.
This show purposely fucks with you and wants to frustrate you, it’s just like west world season 1 but hopefully it doesn’t end up west world season 2-4
West World had far to fall. This is already S3 territory.
Maybe? I don't see how taking two non NCR kids could raise frictions enough to warrant a nuke, and there's nothing to indicate there was any outside communication from the vault, and if there was friction from the NCR way more people would know of the vault and seek revenge.
The way Moldaver tells it, “But then her husband came after her. And when she decided not to return home. He took the children. And he burned that city to the ground. Shady Sands. That’s how Vault Tec deals with competition. Just like they did 200 years ago.”
A prolonged struggle doesn’t fit in with this telling of events.
The essay is 6-8 pages long. Why can't you just read it? Death of the Author wasn't an argument of the Death of the Author's influence but the Death of the Concept of Authorship itself. Barthes wanted to replace the word author with the word "scriptor". The essay was a metaphysical justification for ignoring the obvious cause-effect of "writer writes story->story know exists". The modern interpretation is also useless because everyone know that the author can lie, forget, or make mistakes. What Death of the Author takes away is the idea of Fallibility. Now when there is a lore inconsistency, people have to invent stupid headcanon to justify it instead of using common sense and saying the author just didn't care.
I did read it, just didn't want to read the whole thing out for the video, also big words are hard. I don't know what "concept of authorship" means but my takeaway was that knowledge of who the author is, their intent, will lead to a different interpretation of the work and narrow what the audience can take away from the work. I didn't see where he wanted to replace "author" with "scriptor", which is good because that's stupid, give it five years and "scriptor" would be used interchangeably with "author"
The modern interpretation is still useful, fallout is a great example, because what spurred me to make this video was the flood of people using interviews and twitter statements from the creators as a defense for the show.
As far as fallibility, the media can still be bad without taking the authors intent into play, like I said outside information, like who made it, can still be useful in a meta sense, i.e. if the media was bad that probably means whoever made it did a bad job, But to be fair I don't think that's Barthes version, that's how I understand the modern interpretation to be.
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1) Barthes didn't used the word "Scriptor" in the essay. It is just something that he tried to push after publishing his essay.
2) DotA was written at 1967. Scriptor didn't catch on then; it won't catch on now.
3) The idea of DotA is not the same as "separate the art from the artist". It is outright denial of reality. The essay argues that it is fine to interpret a book written in 1990 to have allegory for 9/11.
4) You are missing my point about fallibility. Not every plothole has an in-universe explanation.
Can you expand on what you mean by point 4? I don't remember ever saying that and I absolutely don't agree with it
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I really didn't know how to process "As far as fallibility, the media can still be bad without taking the authors intent into play" because what I meant about Fallibility in this regard isn't about quality but factual accuracy. People who complain about "Media Literacy" often use headcanon to justify plotholes and complain to others for "not getting it" or "can't read between the lines".
I think I understand what you're saying.
"If you completely separate the work from the creator then there can't be flaws because the reader will fill in the gaps with their own "interpretation""
"Writing for the authors" and headcanon are an issue I'll agree with that, but you can still take a step back and say "how did we get from point A to point B" and if the media doesn't answer that then it's still a plot hole, don't need the authors interpretation for that
Basically, you were unsatisfied with the conclusions you were given by the authors.
You were also dissatisfied with the audience's conclusion that shady sands fell then sometime later the nuke fell. Seeing how it says "Fall of Shady Sands" -> -> 🤯(implying some time passed)
You're only satisfied if the lore of New Vegas is ruined, and won't even acknowledge the potential for unreliable narrations, So damn the authors, damn the fans.
I'd say that's about accurate to what's going on here. The game was rigged from the start. You weren't going to allow the potential for there to be even a choice of yourself being incorrect.
Lmao, the entire premise of fallout 76 and fallout 2 both contradict the show lmao.
“Let’s get rid of the competition, by shoving people into vaults, giving them the requisite equipment to help rebuild and doing nothing for 200 years”
*Bad*
*Writing*