4:15 so as you just said for a pro, As a 15 handicapper with a stroke on a hole if I make a par on a hole where i get a shot ie 4 for 3 stableford points, then I have gained a stroke on field, assuming that a net par =2 points. yes. If i have a 1 pointer i have lost a stroke to field, and if i had a wipe or zero ponts on hole i have lost 2 points to field. how can it be any otherway.
Does the PGA still use historical benchmarks for sg in terms of yardages? I feel like keeping a dynamic calculation for real-time analysis would improve to accuracy of the statistic especially since the purpose seems to be in line with that expectation.
It is a annual benchmark that is adjusted each week for the relative difficulty of the tournament. I think it could 100% be improved by the way you are describing
hey, thanks for the video. I wanted to ask where do you get the stats for golf? I'm looking for historical data of each player for each game they played.
Where do you find these expected values or the bench mark? Like just from PGA your stats? Trying to figure out how I can calculate my own Strokes gained at my home club.
Paid versions of apps which track your shots (eg The Grint) collects this information and allows you to compare your SG with all the other players in the database/the course you're playing
Hey Ken, Thanks for the video. I'm curious as to how the expected score is calculated? A 150 yrd approach shot at the US Open from the rough and the same shot at an average tour event don't have the same expected score. Does SG score these 2 shots as equals? Another example could be year over year SG stats at the same tournament held at the same course. How are course conditions and weather factored into a players SG score. Essentially what I am after is this, are strokes gained calculated in isolation within the same round, tournament, PGA tour Season, or every PGA golf shot ever taken?
Thanks for watching and good question! So the strokes are adjusted after the rounds based on the difficulty of the course/ strength of the field! Currently weather and specific course conditions aren't explicitly factored in, they are just baked into the adjusted strokes gained metric. Strokes gained are a baseline (usually based on the past season or so, I need more info on this myself). I recommend every shot counts if you're interested in learning more!
@@KenJee_ds Thanks for the reply!!! I'm just trying to wrap my head around comparing strokes gained at one tournament to the next, and if they can be compared apples to apples. Looking at the SG Total at the 2021 Genesis Invitational Max Homa had a SG:T of 13.414. He was -12, the worst score was +10. Gives us a median score of -1 (assuming they use median, maybe they use mean?). -12 and -1 is -13. The SG:T closest to 0 is .414. .414+13 gives us Homas SG:T of 13.414. If I'm thinking about this right that means that the SG:T was adjust up by .414 due to strength of field, course, course conditions ect? Fast maths. Am I on the right track?
i dont mean to be so off topic but does any of you know of a method to get back into an instagram account? I somehow forgot the password. I would love any tricks you can give me!
@Jason Nixon thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
#25: I had to google every single concept about golf🏌🏻, not a fan here, but the metric about strokes gained gave me some insight, some questions: - How I can find metrics for some sports that not have a deep study, just checking variables and play with them? - Do you recommend a way to approach (course, book) how to find those metrics? You hit the point on this one, spark curiosity for me!! #66daysofdata
Wahoowa! Taking a Data Analytics in a Sports Context course at Darden now and came across your channel. Keep it up!
Awesome, hope it goes well!
Thanks for explaining the technique. It is really interesting...
Thanks Piyush!
@@KenJee_ds My pleasure 😁👍
Thanks for explaining stroke gained clearly. It is very informative.
Thanks for watching! Glad it was helpful
4:15 so as you just said for a pro, As a 15 handicapper with a stroke on a hole if I make a par on a hole where i get a shot ie 4 for 3 stableford points, then I have gained a stroke on field, assuming that a net par =2 points. yes.
If i have a 1 pointer i have lost a stroke to field, and if i had a wipe or zero ponts on hole i have lost 2 points to field. how can it be any otherway.
Thanks for the info
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Does the PGA still use historical benchmarks for sg in terms of yardages? I feel like keeping a dynamic calculation for real-time analysis would improve to accuracy of the statistic especially since the purpose seems to be in line with that expectation.
It is a annual benchmark that is adjusted each week for the relative difficulty of the tournament. I think it could 100% be improved by the way you are describing
Good video, that was interesting, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
hey, thanks for the video. I wanted to ask where do you get the stats for golf? I'm looking for historical data of each player for each game they played.
There are some decent datasets on kaggle for golf. For work I use shotlink though. Unfortunately, that isn't open to the public
@@KenJee_ds thanks for the reply. Does shotlink sells datasets?
Where do you find these expected values or the bench mark? Like just from PGA your stats? Trying to figure out how I can calculate my own Strokes gained at my home club.
There is a table of these in Mark Long's book Every shot counts. You can also find them in a google search for strokes gained table I think
Paid versions of apps which track your shots (eg The Grint) collects this information and allows you to compare your SG with all the other players in the database/the course you're playing
They are different for every hole.
Hey Ken, Thanks for the video. I'm curious as to how the expected score is calculated? A 150 yrd approach shot at the US Open from the rough and the same shot at an average tour event don't have the same expected score. Does SG score these 2 shots as equals?
Another example could be year over year SG stats at the same tournament held at the same course. How are course conditions and weather factored into a players SG score.
Essentially what I am after is this, are strokes gained calculated in isolation within the same round, tournament, PGA tour Season, or every PGA golf shot ever taken?
Thanks for watching and good question! So the strokes are adjusted after the rounds based on the difficulty of the course/ strength of the field!
Currently weather and specific course conditions aren't explicitly factored in, they are just baked into the adjusted strokes gained metric.
Strokes gained are a baseline (usually based on the past season or so, I need more info on this myself). I recommend every shot counts if you're interested in learning more!
@@KenJee_ds Thanks for the reply!!! I'm just trying to wrap my head around comparing strokes gained at one tournament to the next, and if they can be compared apples to apples.
Looking at the SG Total at the 2021 Genesis Invitational Max Homa had a SG:T of 13.414. He was -12, the worst score was +10. Gives us a median score of -1 (assuming they use median, maybe they use mean?). -12 and -1 is -13. The SG:T closest to 0 is .414. .414+13 gives us Homas SG:T of 13.414.
If I'm thinking about this right that means that the SG:T was adjust up by .414 due to strength of field, course, course conditions ect? Fast maths. Am I on the right track?
i dont mean to be so off topic but does any of you know of a method to get back into an instagram account?
I somehow forgot the password. I would love any tricks you can give me!
@Justus Andre Instablaster :)
@Jason Nixon thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff atm.
Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
#25: I had to google every single concept about golf🏌🏻, not a fan here, but the metric about strokes gained gave me some insight, some questions:
- How I can find metrics for some sports that not have a deep study, just checking variables and play with them?
- Do you recommend a way to approach (course, book) how to find those metrics?
You hit the point on this one, spark curiosity for me!!
#66daysofdata
Thanks for watching and learning so much on this one! Glad it created a spark!!