Should I Rethink Firewood Bundles?
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Hi Joe. I've been bagging firewood for a while. Probably switching to wrapping, and buying a Go Fast machine. The wrapped bundles are more visually appealing in a retail situation. Tha bags also degrade quickly in the sun. Like you, I add kindling to each bag. Much of the bundled firewood in my area is of low quality. There's definitely a possible bigger future here for bundles, but I'm not sure how busy I want to be. I've always agreed with you that selling higher quantities of firewood doesn't guarantee you higher profits. It does guarantee more work !
I agree that wrapping is the way to go Pete. I think they look better and the buyer can see what they are getting
Your marching up on 50,000 subscribers Joe. I’ve loved every video you’ve done to date, Keep up your great work, and thank you again for sharing your business knowledge with us.
Great video. It's always good to take advantage of new markets as long as the time and money makes sense.
I came over from Spencer Lawncare. 2nd video of yours I've watched. I like your no nonsense approach about growing your business. Best wishes for a great year!
Welcome aboard Raven! It's great to have you!
Good looking bundles and good camera work!
Thanks Cinder
Good Morning Joe- Great video, I need to get moving on bundles and to supplement our heating firewood side of the business. I’m looking forward to the next video on using the shims.
Thanks RB!
Good video! I came from Spencer Lawncare and I enjoyed watching wood splitting, both by manpower and machines. Learning about different kinds of woods and seeing how well or poor they will burn and the length of burning time.
Thanks so much Henny! I'm glad to meet you and hope you enjoy your time here!
It's great to see you again, brother. I like the go fast machine. I wish I had one. Chip
thanks Whitey. The Go Fast is a dynamite machine
Great advice as usual. THANKS Joe
You bet buddy
Great video Joe, but people want consistency, so watching this video I see your bundles have 7,8 or 9 Pieces, who wants to buy 7 in a bundle and see a few with 9 in some, yes I am one person that watches for that kind of stuff lol.
I am very consistent at being inconsistent Frank. !!
Morning Joe great to see you enjoying the weather and making product...
Its Tuesday morning and winter has returned in the way of snow well enough to be a pain...
I know your always thinking of ways to improve outputs in all your areas does it ever cross your mind you might be nearing the proverbial wall / ceiling in areas of production...
Im sure during your drives doing deliveries or on the production line your tossing ideas around to improve the business
I don't think I am there just yet but I will know for sure entering the fall of this year. Even if can increase my production etc it may be at a level that I don't feel like maintaining. Stay tuned...and so will I LOL
@@ohiowoodburner I well you are one of my favorite creators and always rooting you on
I don’t know much about bundles. That's why I sent my buddy to you. The weather has been PHENOMENAL! Although we need some snow for our 4H sledding and registration event next weekend.😂
haha. This is a bad couple years for snow. Would hate to own a ski resort!
@@ohiowoodburner they were skiing at Peak n Peak yesterday. "Snow" looked pretty thin. They should be able to stock-pule some this coming week. We need some temp swings to get sap running again too.
Great video, thinking about doing this myself! 👍
You can do it buddy. there is money to be made
Love the bundles Thanks for sharing. We sell things on line we could wrap better with the go fast machine.
Interesting.that it could be a versatile machine
Another Spencer subscriber here, I just subscribed to your channel and love it. You have great videos and I am now hooked.
Awesome! Thank you for subbing Steve!
I don't sell firewood, but I like to camp. A small amount of kindling in the bundle would be a joy as well as maybe a small firestarter.😊 fire starter is just wax and sawdust in an eggcase. Just a thought, but I truly believe you know what's best for your area. Love the vids and thoughts. Keep on keepin' on. 🤠👍👍👍👍
thanks Lance
That is some nice looking wood!
Thanks Tommy!
Did anyone else notice that Joe was short at least one stick of firewood on several bundles?
No label means you can sell short bundles.
The bundles I make with labels are smaller than these. These are an indeterminate size.
I see a second shipping container arriving at the wood yard to hold all the bundles you will have in stock and ready to go!!
haha that has crossed my mind Billy!
yup that’s way i would do it but send a little more and get twenty ft side opening shipping container you could then spilt with the axis into one end wrapper in middle and stack on to pellets at other and fork out at delivery time
Hi Joe - it's Big Rodders in Ireland. May I be the first to congratulate you on your imminent 20 million views. Little did I imagine when I started following you way back in the early days that you would rise to such heights.
Thanks so much Big R! I wouldn't be where I am now without you sir. If I ever make to Ireland I will buy the first round!
@@ohiowoodburner - that will be a Guiness and a Jamison on the side - Cheers. On a serious note - if you ever make it to Ireland I would be honoured to host you for a couple of days at my vacation place on Cruit Island, Donegal where we could debate and resolve many of the great firewood issues of the day. In fact, I'm off there tomorrow for a week with a cord of logs to keep the Atlantic storms at bay. You should Google the location some wet evening when you can't be at the woodyard.
Good morning Joe, great Video as always. Nice Bundles, now you have me Thinking alot maybe to get a Bundler and maybe Supply a local Store or 2. Out of cutting for the next 2weeks. Just had 2stents put in yesterday. No cutting or Splitting for 2weeks. Be home tomorrow. Expecting Snow Tuesday of up to 1foot. Yesterday it was 60degrees. Ron from the Woodyard in Duanesburg NY.
Hope you are on the mend Ron. Let me know how you are doing
Just be sure to pick the right campground for you. If it’s a big one, they can bury you pretty quickly in demand. I know you’ll study it first. 👍
That is the way I see it Mike. The one that keeps coming up is a VERY big one and I would prefer to stay away.
Good morning Joe.
Hello Roger!
Lots of questions go along with doing bundles. Just about a year ago I began doing bundles and very fortunately I am able to do my process indoors, but no heat. My wish for you Joe is to find a way to do your process inside somehow, a second shipping container? Inventory is one of my issues as I try to do both face cords to my current customers and bundles to my retail customers. My retailers are very happy with the bundles I provide, which covers my business rent and insurance. You can always value add with handles and/or fire starters.
I think bundles sell so good there is no reason to add firestarters. Seems they sell without them LOL. I had considered handles but I just never started doing them and noone has ever asked for them.
Hello Joe, new subscriber here. Loving the channel so far,& looking forward to seeing more content.💯😀👏🏾💜✝️🙏🏾🇺🇸
Great to have you on board Glenda!
Good Sunday morning, Elaine from Canada here, feeling jealous of your February weather. So, you’ve got a some thinking to do with the bundling branch of your operation? Well, I believe that when opportunity knocks, you’ll have an answer. Great videography, thanks for sharing, cheers.
excellent advice Elaine!
Here is a thought that I do, have your person split some of the splits, again. This would give you a 1/2 split to use as a fill in on a void or the top. A 5" split, split again as a 2.5" split means 'same$$ with less wood going out'. I sometimes split a 3" round in half for this purpose.
Thanks Tanner. On my retail bundles I will try to put the smaller stuff in too and fill in the voids
Good morning. I know a lot of industries have regional qualities to them. Out west, where I am, the regional focus on firewood is for residential fire pits. You say that you want to get more out of a cord of wood. Well, these fire pits use 8", 10" and 12" lengths and use your smaller splits. Not sure about your specific area, but this might be yet another avenue to look into for your bundle division. If you can have someone else make the shorter wood for you, perhaps it would be worth it...
I see where shorter wood makes sense but I don't feel like changing my process now with length. It would cause me too much disruption
Hi, I see that you also want quality in the pack and sort out. We pack ourselves in 40 liter bags, which sell a lot. have a good time
Thanks for watching Johan!
If you can do both increase sales volume AND the price per cord, that's a win-win. My pitch to the campgrounds would be the tine they save by having me bundle/bag for them that it would give them more time to do more important things in their business of running the campground. Would that be a good start?
i think you are right on point Dr. That would be my approach too
I am thinking bundles and between you and back40, it has me thinking what direction to go.
Everyone around me wraps, and I am thinking bags will let me stand out. Plus, bags would hold kindling better and keep them contained, too.
I don't like bags bc they are too expensive and you can't see the wood. But, to each their own!
Big advantage of bags is you can keep a stockpile of readily made and grab as the orders come in. With wrap I’d be concerned it loosening up when you store the bundles.
@EuroYardService : Both have their advantages and disadvantages. So, depending on how you do things, I don't think you can go wrong with either.
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
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Thanks for coming on board Geos. I hope you enjoy our efforts!
Been bundling wood since 2003 and would never go back to bulk wood unless i can get close to what i do with bundles. Its extra work but doubles your money fast.
Great to hear Jason. where are you from?
@@ohiowoodburner from Minnesota..
Good day. I’ve just purchased a bundler same as yours but haven’t used it yet. Can’t wait to try it. I’m in Lac La Biche Alberta Canada. I was wondering what you sell your bundles to service stations and other stores and what do you sell them for out of your yard to people that want to buy a few. Thanks and continue the great videos
Glad you got the Go Fast. Great machine. I don't sell bundles from my yard.
you should contact the state or county camp grounds like Hamilton county or butler county campgrounds
I live by a very big state park and they get their firewood from a central production place near Canton. All the state parks are serviced in house
As a camper, I'll don't carry a ax in my backpack.
So a bit of kindling, in the center of the bundle would make more useful. As it makes lithing the fire easier.
You can even put in a few fire starters and sell it as a campfire kit and ask a $ extra. People are lazy you know.
thanks for the comment Gamla
Good video joe but wears your snow its feb great camera work
I was wearing shorts yesterday Bob!
I think you should try it, what's the worst that could happen, they say no.
That's the way I see it too Bill
Campers would love a little bundle of kindling on top to add value and set OWB Bundles apart
When I do my bundles or bags I put 8 to 10 pieces of kindling in on top they seem to like that
Thanks Jim!
Hi Joe, love the channel and what you do. I saw you on the Spencer’s channel and have now subscribed. How would the 405 go with Australian hardwoods? Cheers from Oz 🇦🇺
Hi Annie. The 405 is amazing. In over 130 cords produced I have not had a single jam.
I have an unlimited amount of dry poplar (rainbow, tulip, yellow) and was wondering if that would make for good bundle wood? It does pop though but not as much as pine and no pine smoke. Looks good bundled as well.
With the exception of oak I think the species in bundles are irrelevant.
I’m not sure Joe but if you put that plastic wrap on the go fast arm the other way it might be easier.
I have tried it both ways. It didn't seem to make any difference
Hey Joe, great video as always. I asked once before but whats your thoughts on the big face cord firewood bags???
They aren't for me. I leave my wood sit too long and would worry about mold. Also I don't see how this would help me load my truck and make it easier. I don't think my customers would want a big bag like that delivered to their house
A wheel tightener is doable.
Get a nut and a wheel and weld them together. Save the old nut for backup.
A wheel rim from a junk riding lawn mower is my first idea, or fabricate one. A large wheel would give more torque and a small wheel would give less torque. Part of the rim could be cut off if desired.
You have good sized pieces for bundles. I don't know if you have the right species wood. Square pieces may be better than triangle pieces.
seems all the pieces can be dif shapes and you can still find the right one.
@@ohiowoodburner
My best idea for a wheel is the steering wheel from a lawn mower.
Hey 👋 Joe
hello
Have you tried flipping the wrap so it comes off the bottom rather than the top? If not I'd love to see you give it a go. I wrap by hand and it runs smoother for me that way.
I have. I didn't notice a difference. I cant wait until I am thru with this type of wrap LOL
Joe have you ever considered selling bundles designed for a Brio or Solo fire pit. Pieces 12 to 14 inches rather than the usual 16?
I have not but there may come a day
Never mind Joe, you just told me. Thanks
haha. Thanks for watching Cy
I absolutely hate bagging my wood until I deliver 320 bags at once.. it sure fills your pockets fast!!
haha I hear you buddy
Is there much difference in profit between dropping the wood at the campground for them to bundle, or paying someone to bundle to the wood and dropping off the bundles?
Oh, good question. 😉👍
I spoke w one campground about that an what they were paying for their wood made me want to find their supplier so I could have him deliver to me as well LOL. The selling point for me bundling is I do all the work and they can cross that job off their list.
Well built machine. How about getting labels made with discounts to your restaurants and have them pay for it?
Interesting idea Harold. Hmm
Joe I would think your less wood more money would fit right into bundles. Really curious if there was something wrong with your other wrapper?
Nothing wrong with the machine Zeke. It works fine. My concern is if I am going to ramp up in bundle production I don't want all of that riding on a machine with questionable support from the manufacturer. I cured that problem with Go Fast!
Joe, if you are selling bundles at the price point you want, it should not matter who you sell them to.. You give the impression that you and your firewood is to premium for campgrounds.. I am sure folks can buy firewood from other vendors in your area, minus the cluttered Mr premium logic..👍
That isn't what I was thinking but interesting you concluded that. My style of firewood is ideal for bundles. Where I am now my bulk price is higher than what I can get for bundled firewood. It is a matter of me if I want to make the sale with a bundle with the extra effort.
Hey I know that you're looking at bundles but is that going to make you use the old log road again?
No, that road has served its purpose. Forward!
U da man👍🤘
And here I thought you were Billy
@@ohiowoodburner Surely you jest
Hey Joe. I like the wrapper machine and checked out their website. Does anyone that make a wrapper machine that utilizes twine/string? It would look better and be environmentally friendly. BTW Super Splitter being delivered tomorrow! Thanks for the video.
I am not aware of one but I do agree with you that we should be trying to find a more eco friendly packaging solution...either the wrap companies try different materials or we make some type of string knotting machine etc.
Hi Joe, what size bundles are you making?
These are 1cf. With the shims they will be .75 I don't think the measurements are scientific but close enough
Hey Joe have you ever tested your "force to load" of your stretch wrap?
Not sure what you mean Larry. The force needed for the wrap to fail? What I have learned is the lighter gauge seems to stretch more and squeeze the contents better
Joe, I worked for a Fortune 50 beer company for 35 years. I was a manager in the Distribution and Logistics group. We made beer by the pallet to ship to our second tier wholesalers. I am going to try to keep this short so bear with me. We had 12 breweries in the US 3 in Canada and 3 in Mexico. The product lost in shipping and in warehousing drove us to look at options to reduce the product loss, which was in the millions on a yearly basis. Our group then began to look at "in line stretch wrapping machines" which would wrap a pallet of beer on the palletizer discharge after it was stacked.
After a lot of work and testing, financial analysis and research we added stretch wrap machines to all of the domestic plants. Prior to that we had to convince the board to approve a capital project for the wrap machines and a yearly budget for stretch wrap. We estimated that the initial cost would be in the millions but the reduction in process loss and in transit damage clearly justified the cost and budget.
We began to track process loss in the warehouses and in transit damage and saw huge savings in both areas more than enough to prove that the project would pay for its self. However, we found that our yearly cost for wrap was eating into our savings. We did testing and research and found that we could reduce our stretch wrap usage by increasing the "force to load" of the wrap. Stretch wrap is designed to be stretched to the max and as the wrap was applied it would then shrink tight against the load, in our case the pallet of beer.
To achieve that stretch we began to measure the force to load of the wrap. We used a fish scale we bought at Bass Pro to make the measurement, and we found a significant reduction in wrap costs as a result of our test and procedures to adjust the wrap machines to maximize our wrap. It worked and we reduced our wrap costs substantially. As you increase your bundle production you will be buying more wrap, which is made with petroleum. You put the fish scale and create a device to place under the wrap after the bundle is wrapped, pull the fish scale back by two or three inches and that will give you your force to load. If the wrap is not applied tight enough you need to increase the tension placed on the wrap. If the wrap breaks during wrapping you might have the wrapper pulling too much then you can back it off.
In a nutshell that is what I meant by "force to load" comment this morning.
I've noticed a lack of uniformity in some bundles, gaps and 'holes'. looking from the samara angle. You have said many times" how much is your time worth? "How much profit is there in bundles?
I don't recall ever prioritizing my time with my business. I prioritize my firewood and try not to sell it for less than its worth. I am rarely in a hurry and don't believe in the "time is money" mantra. Bundles can range anywhere from $3.50--$5 wholesale.
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they are Showa Atlas. I get them off Amazon. Make sure you buy the from the Showa store bc there are a lot of counterfeits out there. Awesome glove. Unless you have enormous hands the XLs was WAY too big. I use the Large
Thank you very much.
Joe you said those bundles are 1cuft.. But those bundles according to you are 12'' X12'' X 16'' which equals 1.3 cuft just saying
I agree when using 16" sticks. Close enough lol
No labels?
No, I only use labels when the retailer wants them.
I wouldn't shrink the bundle. As a consumer I'd be upset about that. Just my opinion of course...
I think there is some market research needed here. The bigger suppliers have gotten even smaller, .66cf not sure if this is to keep weights and measures off their tails or it's because smaller bundles sell better. From my experience smaller is more profitable as there are approx 170 in a cord vs 128 at 1cf.
Im self employed. This is a perfect Saturday job for a 14/15 year old. If you think about it what would you pay a kid? $50 a day?
No offence but a 14 or 15 year old should be quicker than us. I'd be surprised if they can't get 250 bundles in a day doing it all day. Your bundle prices can come down as youll only have to allocate $0.20 per bundle for labour above your bulk price. The rest is profit. I think doing it yourself is penny wise. Especially given all the jobs for teenagers are being replaced it will help you and them
that is my thought in making these LOL. I have a nice crew of stackers who would love to run the Go Fast
Did you already sell your old bundler?
I still have it. I bought the Go Fast bc i wanted a second one.
@@ohiowoodburner ok gotcha. I was going to see if you wanted to sell it.
"You know how campers are" lol
haha. I'm one of them
Noisy wrap! Joe, for your sake, I hope you don’t have too much of that stuff remaining! 👍
haha. I have a case I am trying to use up. It is from when I first got started in bundles and I didn't know about the different types yet.
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thanks Freddy
Bit tight the amount of wood you're putting in those
Thanks for watching John
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Need to get yourself a pocket knife for cutting the plastic. 🤷♂️
I tried it before and the karate chop is more efficient.
lol throw the ole pitch pay extra for the wrapped bundled wood and you have to do nothing . thats funny !!! with the economy the way it is everyone is pinching pennies. a rick of wood has roughly 43 cubic feet and here its costs between $80-$100 a rick . a wrapped bundle at 1 cubic foot runs between $6-$8 . so why pay $258-$344 a rick in small 1 cubic feet bundles when they can pay $80-$100 a rick and save $178-$244 a rick ? that wrapper will wrap 4 bundles a minute , costs about $2200-$2600 i bet you buy wrap which runs you maybe $60-$70 for a box of 4 1500 ft rolls . am i real close on your cost lol . so for 15 minutes of labor , less than 583 feet of your $25 a roll of wrapping you charge an extra $178-$244 a rick . and you people wonder why more and more people are switching over to pellets , natural gas and electric heating lol. your slowly killing your own business and i find it hilarious . with this type of business ethic you will soon have no one to sell your firewood to lol.
People don't buy a "rick" of bundles. They buy one--two, hence the higher price. Your analysis only demonstrates you are hostile to capitalism. Why don't you send this same comment to Dr Pepper who sell 20 oz bottles for more $$ than a two liter bottle? Or send your comment to Home Depot who sells a 50 lb bag of sand for $5 when you can buy a ton for $30? I'm not sure what country you come from but this is called "Capitalism" and consumer choice. These realities include firewood. It is backwards thinking from people like you who damage our industry.
@@ohiowoodburner i live in the same country you do and my family and ancestors were here long before yours were if you are not native American. i dont have a problem with capitalism . im a capitalist myself but i have morals and standards when it comes to business, what i charge for my time and my product . my question is how is it i can buy timber from a land owner , pay them good money for it , cut it , split it and sell it for a lot less than you and i still make a profit ? and you cant bring up big companies and their prices because they have expense's you dont. not to mention the amount of labor expenses . i know about this because i own two companies , a lumber mill and a logging business . the next time you complain about the cost of food or any thing else you think is to high just remember you are helping row the same boat as they are.
Good Morning Joe, Definitely Agree on small splits, thats what our customers compliment us on, 🪵🇺🇸
Totally agree! Smaller the better!