Elm vs. Japa 405 Firewood Processor... I wasn't expecting this result!!!
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I remember splitting wood by hand as a young man . We dreaded it when Elm showed up in the pile ! However , it kept us warm in the winter .
I think elm is an excellent firewood. It's just tough getting it to become firewood LOL
I remember when I was a teenager, and my old man made me manually split our firewood for the winter. He would tell me, "The wonderful thing about heating with wood is..... it warms you twice".
Your camera lady deserves a raise after all the work shes done!
She is a huge help for sure. Glad she can bring nice angles of the machine
She definitely needs employee of the month status🙂
Imagine what you could have accomplished if the sun wasn't in your eyes. 🤠 Man, what a machine.👍👍👍👍
It would have been a great excuse though!! Thanks Lance
Can always take an agle grinder with a flap disc to sharoen the box wedge. Or put a turbo on the engine that would make a Caterpillar diesel proud!
Elm is no test for the splitter. Try a gum log. That would be a challenge.
Gum is nasty. I hate the sell too. Ugh
I vote the professional camera person “‘Employee Of The Month” !!
Noted. That may help her in the monthly totals!
I'm just north of mosquito lake and while it stinks we've lost our elm trees, I really dislike that we've lost all our ash. Talk about a great tree. So many great ash trees all dead. Great firewood for now but they're almost all gone.
Also, that 405 isn't no joke. World class for sure. Elm sucks and it handled it like the champ it is.
Borer wiped out my ash 5 yrs ago but didn't touch the saplings. Letting them grow and hopefully spread . My 12-15 acres of woods was probably at least 60% ash and hedgerows 90%
I have only seen one healthy ash lately and that was in Canfield. They seem to be all gone. Elms are out there but you have to look. The big tree at the Cortland Napa is an elm. The one outside Dollar General at the lake is a nice one. Southington has a HUGE nice one on their square
Ever tried Black Gum? Even worse then Elm or just as tough. Sycamore too really stringy and holds a lot of water 💧
I had black gum thru my Axis. Nasty wood and I hate the odor
Hello Joe, It certainly had no issue with elm, Take Care 🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
Just another day for the 405! Thanks guys!
Joe, when you donned your full ppe outfit you forgot the gloves lol. At least you had the steel toes and chaps on. The ppe police will probably let you off with a warning on this one. The 405 is a nice machine.
These were special skin-colored gloves. LOL
I bet the 405 didn't sleep well either knowing what it was going to be up against the following day. Not only did it handle it, but as you said the wood looked real good especially compared to when I split elm with my ol box store splitter.
I agree. No strings at all. Just nice wood
Good morning Joe,
That was very interesting to watch. I've split a lot of elm and it can be awkward but it makes top quality firewood.
Just an observation, the knives on the Japa perfect split are probably half the thickness of some on competitors machines I've seen,which are to me, way too thick and cause wood to jam or flip over on the more open wedges.
The knives on my machine ( which I made myself as the originals were junk) are only 8mm thick. I keep them sharp and I've never bent or broken one yet.
This is a huge advantage and tells me Japa have done a great job in designing their machines.
Keep splitting 🇬🇧
Thanks Paul. The knives work very good. They seem to be keeping their edge prett good too.
I never had difficulty with piss elm, splitting with sledge/wedges or 16 hp splitter. Cut & split trees with 36" base or larger. Modern Elm does not grow as large in diameter before mother nature kill it, but it burns like its counterpart of the 1950's. Great BTU's & appetite from loading unto trailer & processing same. Too bad it is disappearing like Ash, Ironwood & Beech Trees.
A friend of mine from Minnesota once told me, “elm doesn’t really split by hand till about -20F. Then not very well. “. Not gonna try to argue with him. My old gas hydraulic splitter gets a good workout every time I split some.
Have you ever split hickory on your 405? I've have hand split hickory many time's and it is one of the hardest wood to split even on my 35 ton log splitter. The next hardest wood is hedge it's a very hard wood. Hedge is so hard it like a rock. Hand splitting hedge wood takes hours to split with wedges. Even my 35 ton log split has a very hard time splitting the hedge wood. So I challenge you and you 405 to split hickory and hedge if y'all have hickory and hedge in Ohio.
I don't feel that elm is as tough of wood to split as people think. The first time I broke the wedge on my Turner mills processor was with a stringy ash but log. The second time was a hard maple but log. I agree elm is tough stuff when it's tree service wood. A small elm like you had that's just like any other stick of log length firewood.
Seems to be stringy regardless. I should have done a maul on one to show.
That stuff is dry split some wet piss elm different results cause still has water in it in the winter piss elm splits like maple easy mine was done by hand no machine hated the smell but it all sells mixed wood we could not use paf llets for our wood would get in 🎉way of customer getting loads of wood are wood dries fine on the ground sell enough of it 18:52
also-when i was alot younger-i split alot of elm by hand and many huge pieces---lots of work and bad memories
G'day Joe, Melbourne is the capital in my state it has Elms everywhere the Dutch beetles haven't been here but there was a British beatle invasion in 1964 🤔👍.
My Timberwolf TWP1 could split just about anything… Elm was its nemesis.
Ive had elm split as easy as ash, ive had it stall out my 37ton champion, all depends on how it grows i guess!
I WORKED IN NORTHERN MICH IN THE UP IN 1956. THEY WERE CUTTING ELM THERE FOR RAIL ROAD SLEEPERS TIES.
Did you mention this is a tiny elm?
Like so small it really doesn't need splitting.
I’ll send you some ironwood and hedge to try out😳oh, and some piss elm so you won’t think white oak is so bad
Worried bowt an elm??? Just get on with it!!!🙄🙄😆😆💪👍
hi there well done , down hear everyone hates Gum .john
Gum is nasty for sure JOhn. Hate the smell too!
The 405 did a great job on that relatively green elm. Best run and get a lottery ticket for everything going smoothly with splitting that much elm. 🤣
haha. I think you may be right buddy LOL
If Santa was real I know what would be on my list great machine
the 405 made mince meat out of that Elm Log will be ideal for Camp fire wood, Have a good day Joey
Thanks. Elm is a nice firewood. It's just tough to make become that LOL
Knott a problem! The 405 wins again!! 👍
harhar ... Thanks Knotty!!!
Very good machine, it’s a keeper for sure 😊
bad of you for not wearing goggles and chainsaw pants
Like butter! Joe, you had me chuckling…only you could set the stage so well for the “fight of the century”! 💪👍 I liked reading the comments….you have a lot of supportive followers….well deserved.
Thanks RG. And I consider you one of them buddy!
Satan's wood Joe!!! Jesse shoulda left that one in the woods to grow Morel's for decades!!! That stringy, wet, stinky stuff makes you invent new words!!
Dutch Elm disease helped invent the hydraulic splitter industry LOL
A friend of mine has a very mature elm that Dutch Elm Disease couldn't kill! Tols him that he should contact the DNR, Department of Natural Resources, to collect the seeds and grow more of them.
THere are orgs that would take cuttings from it. That is known as a survivor elm
Japa seems to make great products. But I don't think Dan's Eastonmade could do elm, it seems to struggle with anything he puts on it with his split system your Japa has.
Those machines are pretty beefy. The bigger ones are prob not comparable to the 405. Different wood in and out
The more i watch the 405 perfect split its what i need
Your pinky toe hurts also 😂
YES!!! That would have been a good excuse as well LOL
Try a little rock maple in the Japa sometime. 🤔
At this point in your business, do you believe having a business website has set you apart from cheaper competitors. I would think so. ??
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Keep up the good content.
I bought a Super Slit from watching yours.😊
Most important thing I ever did with OWB. Get a web site
A day that will live in infamy….lol. Yawn….
Try eucalyptus 😂😂
haha. Not here in Ohio!
Is there a noticable difference in types of Elm for splitting? I know of red and white for sure but I think there's a yellow as well. Ours in Wisconsin is normally much rougher when split (never tried it with a 405 though) i think we have red and white here, just my curiosity.
I don't know about that. I have only dealt with the American Elm. I saw a Chinese elm in a arboretum once and some type of elm in Finland but I can't distinguish between the others.
The 405 was effective on the elm, you proved it about, what, 600 times! I don't think there is a perfect wood processor. There's always somethin' not quite right about all of them. I don't like the enclosure door. I do like the the hold down clamp with the rollers that bite the wood. Don't like the log infeed. Do like the speed and power of the splitter ram. Don't like the....
haha. I know what you mean. My biggest gripe is the chain tensioner.
Finland did a great job making the power of hydraulics.. 😁👍
They sure did Dan!
Das yapper has the advantage of the push Plate bottoming out on the Wedge. Unlike most Splitters stop just short leaving the Elm stings staying together. I have as Piece of Horse Mat on My splitter just for Stringy Wood.
Mike M.
Interesting. This has that hard nylon insert which shoves into the ram. Hard stuff
If YOUR SPLITTER WONT SPLIT ELM , GET RID OF IT
Lol you crack me up I seen Easton maids run logs way bigger and much more crooked! Lol You're running straight wood you cut the knot out! Lol thanks the video said great though!
That's the way you run a processor. I've gotten spoiled!
That tree is on the PA side of Ohio on Rt 80? I travel that way 2-3 times a week and never noticed it. I’ll have to pay attention next time out. Great video. I never doubted she would split it.
Not in PA. It is just inside the Ohio line on Rt 80. Nice looking elm.
That's great! The Japa didn't have the slightest problem with the elm.
Just went right thru it. LOved it
I would give a guy down the street that sold fire wood all my elm. Him and his dad built a splitter with a 6 inch ram out of a trash truck. I beam look like a bridge beam lol had a winch (hand crank) I had a agreement with him that if he wanted it he had to take good bad and ugly. So that is why the ole man built the splitter so he could split them big ole y s and knots.he wood bring a 40 foot gooseneck and man did I load him down his dad would get so mad at me but oh well. That splitter had a cycle that took about 3 minutes just to come back lol. Even that crazy thing wouldn’t split those red elm. Now u have the easy elm we call it white elm and it splits pretty easy but if u get some red cedar elm just toss it in the fire pit. Ole Herald bell was his name and he sold the crap out of it and mix it up with that junk cotton wood slab stuff 5 inches of bark and 3 wood. Cheap wood that takes a lot to produce. Poore people have poore ways
Thanks for the post Randy. Seems dutch elm disease has put a lot of elm thru splitters
I do that's a good machine I really enjoy watching at work I know when you scan across your Woodyard in your old Woodyard all that wood you have stacked I think that looks so pretty I stacked wood all day yesterday September 16th 2023 it looks so nice when you get it all rigged up sometimes I split and just throw it in the pile and stack it the next day that pile just don't look as good as rickwood does have a good one and I will talk to you later God bless
thanks Wade . Stacked wood looks awesome!
Looking good Joe. Hope yall are getting some of this cooler weather.
Yes we are and I'm loving it zeke
What do you think of the 435?
Try splitting some gum. I would much prefer splitting elm than gum
Gum is nasty stuff for sure
I sure wished you had been my history teacher I’d probably would have leant something.
I would have given extra credit for Dr Peppers
You are going to have to search a little harder to find logs that the 405 can't handle, Joe. Or find some more excuses😅
The dog ate my homework!! LOL. Thanks for watching Bill
I have them all around my house
We have a little elm and it’s tuff 😢
If you tire of firewood you have a clear path in politics. Awesome buildup to a let down finish! 🤣 Well Dun!!
LOL My next trick is to enjoy my government provided healthcare while taking it away from you! Just kidding buddy !!
If you split elm around instead of through you sill have better luck.
I think you may be right buddy. Thanks
Just have to wait one more season
two things....we use the same ppe. i was splitting a load of red oak yesterday and my wife came out and said it smelled good. made me think of how much you hate it.
har har. I cannot stand the smell of oak LOL
Logan Elm Park is just south of us here in Ashville.... that tree was Massive.... 65 feet tall 25 feet diameter and a canopy of almost 200 feet... Huge Majestic tree. There's also a Logan Elm High school district down here.
There is a piece of the original Logan Elm in museum near cleveland. I saw it but wasn't able to touch it. Chief Logan had a very interesting life story
Black gum next
Knew it could do it without a doubt. Japa is the Jack Nicholas of the processors. Have you ever run a sycamore or a sweet gum in your Japa. Emily needs to be awarded employee of the decade!!! No Joe you can't have it, you are the employer!!! Lol just kidding!!! Until next time have a great day
I have never had Sycamore. Gum is nasty for sure John!
@@ohiowoodburnerHi Joe - Big Rodders here. Sycamore is my favourite wood to buck and split. The bark & wood splits cleanly - similar to Beech but much less liable to explode when you hit real pressure points such as knots.
I haven't tried elm, have you tried sycamore. Not a fun tree to split
haven't had sycamore yet. I have never had it come in one of my deliveries
Thanks Joe. What’s your chainsaw of choice.
Dolmar 7900!
We can all sleep well tonight! The Elm drama did not happen! 😁😁😁
haha. Something out there lurks however. There is always a Waterloo. Thanks Arne
Way too much talk
Are your oak customers as happy with pin oak as red or white oak?
I've never had any feedback. Seems when it dries out there is less distinction? Not sure. I just lump all the oak in together.
Great video!!!
Easy Peazy Joe 💪
Soooo many words. Dude……chill.
They also call it piss elm too for the smell have u ever split any black jack?
I have not. I don't think it grows up here. I saw it once in Fla.
I think gum might have elm beat as being a pain to split.
I'm beginning to think the same Cory
Great history on the Elm tree. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it Holly!
Here in the U.K. back in the day It was traditional to use Elm for coffins, those days are gone. However it is a tough timber although our Elm trees were also depleted with the D.E.D.
Hi Joe. That box wedge did a great job. I’m sure the super splitter is happy it won’t have to resplit that stuff.
On another note, I saw a classic example of an up sale. Sheetz has a promo going, buy 2 Dr. Pepper 20oz bottles and get 2 free hotdogs. I figured you might like this promo. Ha ha. Have a great day 👍🏻!
Great video…your really funny!…I got to give it up to that machine, it does look like it’s built cheaply with the thin gauge steel and welds, but it processed rather quick and smooth, I like the little shaker deck before it hits the conveyor! Would like to know how many cords it produces in a 4 or 8 hour run.
Do u think u should blow off the 405 after u use it
Of course I should. Some day I will Randy LOL
Have you ever messed with Russian olive it stinks too
I haven't ever heard of it. Sounds interesting
I can hear Howard Cosell saying "Japa is going all the way" cool video Joe. Y'all have a great 👍 day
I just watched a vid about Cosell. What a great voice!
In my part of country it is known as Piss Elm now you know why.
LOL there is an "interesting" odor for sure
Did u know there is only 1 tree u can tell by its bark
har har. Dogwood
Hey Joe, that’s a sweet machine. I wonder how it would handle black walnut
No clue. I don't think I ever got any walnut yet. I hope to some day
I just took about 14 trees off my property, a mixture between black walnut and regular walnut
Looks just like some of the logs I split in Tasmania Australia 👍
We need to bring a Japa to you and give it a try Mr J!
@@ohiowoodburner That would be awesome, would beat the Iceberg splitter I use now 😂👍
You should try a dry twisted blue gum
Gum is nasty stuff for sure
Joe for scheib it was sycamore ❤😊😮
Tough wood for sure. Never had it for the Japa though
I had a feeling that Elm would not be an issue!
Didn't even sweat. Thanks bud
What would the 405 do if u put a pice of live oak in it
I've never worked with it. Not sure.
Sucker didn't even breathe hard!
Nope. Made it look easy!
The 405 may have had to flex a little but the show of great power shows the true power of the machine 💪🏼
405 making the elm look like white pine
Wore that elm out for sure!
“Not as bad as oak…”
I’ll give you 2 cord of elm for a cord of oak I hate the elm that bad.
Elm is tough to work with but burns nice. Oak to me is awful to smell.
@@ohiowoodburner
It split really nice in my box store splitter. I was rather surprised.
I have to store it down wind from the house because it makes it smell like a family of cats are living under the porch peeing in the flower bed.
I like the smell of oak though.
Split it green, its less of a problem
This was pretty green. It was def wet inside. Smelled LOL
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Nice job Joe ! a lot cleaner splits than I get with Elm on my box splitter !
Long live the mighty elm!
I agree John. Elm is my fav tree!
Hey Joe, we have a lot of Elm in Wisconsin, but it only grows so large and then dies standing. I can wager you will find an Elm log that gives the 405 fits, especially if there are knots.
I agree. Every machine has its Waterloo awaiting