Moto GP should be paying you because your actually making moto GP more interesting then just watching riders go around a track. You're putting science into the mix and love it man! Keep it up
Indeed. Motogp needs a lot of help in presenting their product. (At least in North America) The fact that they charge you to watch race highlights online... 🙄 They need to take a page or two out of NASCAR's book. NASCAR took one the most boring motorsports and actually sucked me (and millions of others) into it because of coverage, useful website, tech explanations, mobile apps, driver background stories.
RoadRunner MotoGP is doing fine world-wide when it comes to numbers.I don't think Nascar is ever gonna beat them there.MotoGP made a deal with DAZN too so the coverage in the US has improved alot more.Amd the rider pass access is also quite awesome feature for MotoGP marketing
I don't think most people watch MotoGP git the science.But mostly for that sweet action we get from last lap battles especially from last season.As well overtakes galore,drama and so on
Wow man I don't know how you don't have more subs, your videos are extremely well structured and you break things down so comprehensively. I don't even ride bikes and I enjoyed this, keep it up
In all seriousness, don't you think there's money to be made if someone started making winglets for bikes? Of course they're dumb for the average rider, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't sell..... 🤔
You might be right, but for this to work there must be one crucial thing - the cool factor. :P Same thing with putting spoilers on cars - adding rear spoiler to civic is pointless, but some people do it anyay. ;)
Who said a spoiler on FWD cars are pointless??? That's invalid. While it may not have a benefit on a straight (unless you also have a real splitter in the front), it DOES help with weight transfer and lift oversteer. So no, they are not pointless.
Cool beans bro! I bought the first motorbike with wings ever for sale to the public. My 2018 Aprilia RSV4 RF LE screams w/wings! I can by example approve of everything you said... She is my beast at rolling on tracks! And the jump at Autobahn raceway is something I will never forget! See you out there!
Many '50s GP bikes with dustbin fairings also had a tail fairing. This smoothed out the air flow behind the rider, and importantly, moved the aerodynamic centre of pressure rearwards, thus addressing much of the cross-wind problem cited in the video. By 1957, bike makers such as Mondial and Moto Guzzi had resolved much of the stability problem with full fairings. Because of the recession in motorcycle sales in the mid-late '50s, most manufacturers withdrew from GP racing at the end of the 1957 season, leaving MV Agusta as the dominant manufacturer entering GPs. They had never succeeded in making full (dustbin + tail) fairings work (handling and cooling problems) so they got them banned.
I thoroughly enjoyed your video and analysis, but I did want to mention that in some ducati and aprilia cases Vortex Generators have been used to aid radiator performance to energize flow ahead of the outlet duct to aid heat extraction. I also feel like we might see "air curtains" in coming seasons in motogp, or my hope, some attempts at "trapped vortex" applications.
I could be wrong, but your CdA data for the Hyabusa seems somewhat ambitious. Typically the standard Busa achieves a CdA of between 0.55 to 0.60. There are drag/power calculators out there you can check to see the effect on potential top speed. 200bhp to achieve 200mph seems in the ballpark for a bike with a CdA of 0.5. I agree that stability is the main issue for reducing the CdA to levels achieved in the '50's. My own race bike was tested at MIRA Wind tunnel during 2015 where our CdA was verified at 0.21. Our design minimised turbulent vortices around the rider and showed good indifference (stability) to side winds and minimal front or rear lift coefficient figures at high yaw angles. It can be done, but the blinkered FIM have consistently thwarted attempts by aerodynamicists and designers over the years to improve and develop the bikes to be safer and more fuel efficient. It is a much misunderstood subject and much under explored in the 2 wheel world. The FIM technical team have a sketchy understanding of this science that ironically, has been the main driver for the huge developments for improved efficiency in the automotive world and the very lifeblood of F1 along with their advanced hybrid power trains that we have yet to see in any FIM championship. Oh dear this sounds like a rant. Sorry about that. BTW I liked the video.
I am sure a modern take on the “dustbin” would be able to compensate for the large difference between the center of pressure and gravity... it’s a shame they’ve been outlawed *_full stop_* as it’s a *_very_* interesting area of development lost.
Yes yes yes! I fell in love with winglets the 1st time I saw them on an aprilia 2018 RSV4 RF LE#14. I now own it. My goodness, it makes me into a far better rider than I ever was before. If someone does not like wings, ask them on which bike did they try them... because I have. I love them. Take it from me... 145mph never felt so smooth. I got youtubies, first road thru aprilia wings video and stuff... have fun!😈😵😈
The interesting thing about motorcycle aerodynamics is that the more you streamline for top speed the more you lose in cornering speed. It is a compromise.
This winglet concept is feasable only since anti-wheelies software are available. With conventional throttle if the nose begin to lift then the negative angle of attack of the winglet get smaller reducing the downforce allowing the nose to lift even more thus further reducing the angle of attack to eventualy end up with positive lift pushing the bike to do a backflip. That's called an unstable equilibrium the opposite of what an airplane tail is made to do.
What? Turbulent flow decreases drag and laminar flow increases it, thats why golf balls have holes and aircrafts have a high rugosity material on the nose
Riding race bikes in the 50s is like "If I fall,I am dead" .Anway,have you ever seen motorcyclists with bicycle helmets?how stupid funny is that?a mountain bike helmet lol
A wing on a car provides downforce at all times. A wing on a motorcycle provides a force that is directed towards the tires. When the bike is in a corner and leaned over, the aerodynamic force is angled with the bike. It doesn't push downwards only, but outwards from the turn as well.
I didn't watch anything associated with bikes, but i never expect that bikes need downforce, isn't that the downforce will push the bike outwards while the driver are leaning to take the corner.
I hate these organizations. A sport is created and then they just put in stupid amounts of rules. Who cares if something gives someone a advantage that just means the others need to get good or tell their engineers to find a solution.
Modern electric motorcycle pioneers have experimented with "dustbin fairings" and streamlined tails to double electric range and a higher sustained speed on the freeway (70 MPH). The electric motorcyclist were trying to travel cross country on a electric motorcycle before fast charging accessories for motorcycles were improve in 2017. Though the streamlined tails were very long, there was not a huge adverse affect in a non racing application. craigvetter.com/pages/470MPG/Index%20to%20making%20the%20Last%20Vetter%20Fairing.html
Really good video, referencing the 85 year old technology of dustbin fairings was useful in explaining the purpose of modern fairings and how its not always the fastest design that works best.
if CoD is the same and the Surface area is the same. then we can say that 75bhp Moto Guzzi @ 301kph is 301x301= 90,601 =75bhp. (90601/75 = 1208.01/hp) 197hp Suzuki Hayabusa @ 327kph is 327 x 327 =106,929 = 197hp. (106,929/197 = 524.78/hp) the Moto is doing less work to the air. if it had 197hp i could go maybe as fast as 1208.01 x 197 =237,977.97 Square root of 237,977.97 = 487kph 302.6mph max Put it on salt and it will not be as quick of cause. so just a rough guess.
Why oh why doesn't Dorna/FIM look at F1... They keep making the same mistakes. Traction control nearly killed F1, but you know it'll stop high sides so lets have it... winglets & excessive downforce killed proper racing in F1 as they find it harder to follow, a problem they are still dealing with due to complex front wings... motogp... yeah we'll have some of that. As the dude pointed out, teams & FIM already know these winglets making it harder for the guy behind to follow, yet they clear all these designs for 2018. When will both championships/governing bodies focus on the racing and not making 1 car/bike ridiculously fast/grippy on their own. FE is gonna end up blowing these championships apart and and electric bike series as they cannot afford to add all this drag to their vehicles cause of the infancy of their drive trains & batteries which is why they have closer racing. I am not for stock vehicles, but when you actually look out their, the championships with stock chassis are always the ones with closer racing/more winners per year. Moto GP refuses to learn from F1 mistakes because we're bikes... fk the cars! Ilmor had the same ridiculous mentality when they had a stab at bikes... we know everything about car engines so lets make a bike on this will be easy... wrong!
Mikael, Very well made videos. I really like and learn from you. Just one little detail, Cx, Cd don’t have units. I noticed that you have put square metres, but the area is considered by A in the formula. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient Thanks and keep up the good work! Carl
Chris Braid I don’t recall a bike complete with fairing that was designed to add downward pressure to the front wheels on cornering designed & built by the late Dr Freeth. Unless he was working with JB?
I would add that the dustbin fairing covered up the front wheel, a major source of drag. The spokes are moving at twice the vehicle speed as they come over the top. As drag increases as the square of velocity, even those skinny spokes can have quite an effect at speed. Also, Cda is simply how efficiently air moves around an object, compared with a flat panel with the same frontal area.
That ''dustbin fairing'' was banned for a very good reason. It's just not safe in the cross winds and people have died, a lot. The benefits of ''dustbin fairing'' is that it covers up the front wheel, not the rider.
Why don't they just get rid of the RIDER since it causes a lot of air turbulence? And as said, it's the enemy of the smooth laminar flow, therefore No rider = No drag = Increased speed = Faster lap times. The Motogp aerodynamics department is lacking brains.
LOVED the Video! I only wish you had done more, at the end, about the 2018 'pass-thru' aerodynamics and how they still provide substantial downforce with less turbulence and without the exposed 'winglets' that were so dangerous in a crash.
Jerry - Yeah, let's say it's a step sideways. Aero on cars, if done right (this is from an aesthetic stand point) looks rather good. But if they go with functional & forget the looks, then it can look very bad. It can and often does have a very large effect on the appearance, but the effect is not by it's nature good or bad, it's just very obvious. The Ferrari La Ferrari is quite an attractive car. It's also had a lot of work done on the aero. The Ford GT is a modern homage to the mid '60s GT40, and it does look strikingly like the original. But it's had an awful lot of work done on the aero, and it is sure as hell not ugly.
Can you do a video on Craig Vetters race years please? His stream-liners decimated before the FIM ruled on nose cone angles and how far a fairing can extend beyond the bike. Thanks!
but when you lie it flat into a corner isnt that downforce suddenly sideforce making the front tire want to wash out into a lowside? did the designers only think about the upright position?
When sideways... the wing would act like a shark fin, cutting the wind ...only when the rider lifts the bike he has to shuggle, so then they have to use more energy to get the bike upright, or flip it to the other side
This is highly debatable. As the lean angle goes beyond 45 deg, the force is exerted more to the side, the wrong side. So far, it creates a significant outward force, but also a down-force. Rider opinion at this point, is it's a bit like more or less physical weight on the front. It does very much have an effect, but exactly whether that's a positive thing or a negative thing depends on the bike and the rider and the circumstances. (Tyre choice, front spring rate & preload, etc...) It is very much like adding a 20kg bag of cement over the front of the fairing - there are circumstances where that's a bad thing and others where it actually helps. The place where it really does help, -a lot-, is as the bike picks up out of a fast corner, and goes for full power. The one who gets the biggest benefit, is Ducati, because their bike has a relatively low & rearward centre of gravity. The weight distribution of the Duke is perfect to get maximum power down and drive forward, as early as possible, but as the bike comes more upright, the rider has to back off to control the wheelie. The Yamaha has this problem rather less, because it has a higher and further forward centre of gravity. The heavy part on the yam is like where the cylinder head is. The heavy part on the duke is like where the clutch is.... That does not provide a clear advantage to one or the other, overall, but it does mean as you pick up off the corner, at 120 ~ 200 km/h, the duke first gets much better drive, but then can't maintain that forward drive because the front lifts. That's why Ducati are playing with downforce, and the most loud and vocal to keep it and defend it. They have by far the most to gain. Everybody else is jumping on the band-wagon, because ... you know, there might be an advantage in it... Why let Ducati have turbochargers if we don't have them?
Absolutely brilliant video mate...makes so much more sense now haha Also you gained a sub because your videos are actually so informative and interesting...keep it up mate!!!
Thanks! That was a great explanation. I have some understanding of aerodynamics as I'm a pilot, but I didn't know why the winglets were banned, especially the part about making it dangerous for riders behind and rider fatigue.
Great informative video Sir . I'm currently attempting a 200 mph run on my hayabusa and will give your advice great consideration. Thank you and add 1 sub
Moto GP should be paying you because your actually making moto GP more interesting then just watching riders go around a track. You're putting science into the mix and love it man! Keep it up
Indeed. Motogp needs a lot of help in presenting their product. (At least in North America) The fact that they charge you to watch race highlights online... 🙄 They need to take a page or two out of NASCAR's book. NASCAR took one the most boring motorsports and actually sucked me (and millions of others) into it because of coverage, useful website, tech explanations, mobile apps, driver background stories.
RoadRunner True.
everyone knows about it.u just didnt.lol
RoadRunner MotoGP is doing fine world-wide when it comes to numbers.I don't think Nascar is ever gonna beat them there.MotoGP made a deal with DAZN too so the coverage in the US has improved alot more.Amd the rider pass access is also quite awesome feature for MotoGP marketing
I don't think most people watch MotoGP git the science.But mostly for that sweet action we get from last lap battles especially from last season.As well overtakes galore,drama and so on
When you thought a hayabusa couldn't get any uglier 3:23
Eye-Abuser. (I actually think they're much more beautiful than the current crop of origami stealth-bomber bikes on the market right now.
No shit! 🤣
lmfao
Hayabusa is beautiful
It will grow in to a beautiful swan some day just you watch.
Wow man I don't know how you don't have more subs, your videos are extremely well structured and you break things down so comprehensively. I don't even ride bikes and I enjoyed this, keep it up
Watching this beautifully explained video on aerodynamics exactly on its 6 months anniversary.... Good job....
Damn, I now feel so educated in motorcycle aerodynamics, that I might just go and add some winglets of my own. :D Great video!
In all seriousness, don't you think there's money to be made if someone started making winglets for bikes? Of course they're dumb for the average rider, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't sell..... 🤔
You might be right, but for this to work there must be one crucial thing - the cool factor. :P Same thing with putting spoilers on cars - adding rear spoiler to civic is pointless, but some people do it anyay. ;)
Who said a spoiler on FWD cars are pointless??? That's invalid. While it may not have a benefit on a straight (unless you also have a real splitter in the front), it DOES help with weight transfer and lift oversteer. So no, they are not pointless.
Cool beans bro! I bought the first motorbike with wings ever for sale to the public. My 2018 Aprilia RSV4 RF LE screams w/wings!
I can by example approve of everything you said... She is my beast at rolling on tracks!
And the jump at Autobahn raceway is something I will never forget! See you out there!
Many '50s GP bikes with dustbin fairings also had a tail fairing. This smoothed out the air flow behind the rider, and importantly, moved the aerodynamic centre of pressure rearwards, thus addressing much of the cross-wind problem cited in the video.
By 1957, bike makers such as Mondial and Moto Guzzi had resolved much of the stability problem with full fairings. Because of the recession in motorcycle sales in the mid-late '50s, most manufacturers withdrew from GP racing at the end of the 1957 season, leaving MV Agusta as the dominant manufacturer entering GPs. They had never succeeded in making full (dustbin + tail) fairings work (handling and cooling problems) so they got them banned.
4th downside, winglets create drag at high speed therefore affecting top speed and acceleration. You get something and you lose something
I thoroughly enjoyed your video and analysis, but I did want to mention that in some ducati and aprilia cases Vortex Generators have been used to aid radiator performance to energize flow ahead of the outlet duct to aid heat extraction. I also feel like we might see "air curtains" in coming seasons in motogp, or my hope, some attempts at "trapped vortex" applications.
The 'busa looks sweet in the Moto Guzzi dustbin fairing. I would keep it green just like the picture!
Dude love your stuff. Always well thought out and explained. Subscribed for sure and will be sending more subs your way.
That was great! Thank you for the history lesson while taking the time to teach and explain.
I could be wrong, but your CdA data for the Hyabusa seems somewhat ambitious. Typically the standard Busa achieves a CdA of between 0.55 to 0.60. There are drag/power calculators out there you can check to see the effect on potential top speed. 200bhp to achieve 200mph seems in the ballpark for a bike with a CdA of 0.5. I agree that stability is the main issue for reducing the CdA to levels achieved in the '50's. My own race bike was tested at MIRA Wind tunnel during 2015 where our CdA was verified at 0.21. Our design minimised turbulent vortices around the rider and showed good indifference (stability) to side winds and minimal front or rear lift coefficient figures at high yaw angles. It can be done, but the blinkered FIM have consistently thwarted attempts by aerodynamicists and designers over the years to improve and develop the bikes to be safer and more fuel efficient. It is a much misunderstood subject and much under explored in the 2 wheel world. The FIM technical team have a sketchy understanding of this science that ironically, has been the main driver for the huge developments for improved efficiency in the automotive world and the very lifeblood of F1 along with their advanced hybrid power trains that we have yet to see in any FIM championship. Oh dear this sounds like a rant. Sorry about that. BTW I liked the video.
Love ur vids... from Australia 🇦🇺
I am sure a modern take on the “dustbin” would be able to compensate for the large difference between the center of pressure and gravity... it’s a shame they’ve been outlawed *_full stop_* as it’s a *_very_* interesting area of development lost.
Great video man!
Yes yes yes!
I fell in love with winglets the 1st time I saw them on an aprilia 2018 RSV4 RF LE#14.
I now own it. My goodness, it makes me into a far better rider than I ever was before. If someone does not like wings, ask them on which bike did they try them... because I have.
I love them. Take it from me...
145mph never felt so smooth.
I got youtubies, first road thru aprilia wings video and stuff...
have fun!😈😵😈
No you haven't... Stop making things up.
Adding the dustbin fairing on the Busa looks much much better than stock 😂😂😂
Damn i never thought winglet had so much physics 😅😅
This video was wery cool🤩. Keep up the good work 👍
Thanks man, you video is super informative...
VERY well put!!
The interesting thing about motorcycle aerodynamics is that the more you streamline for top speed the more you lose in cornering speed. It is a compromise.
Nice Video
That was a great video, thank you!
This winglet concept is feasable only since anti-wheelies software are available. With conventional throttle if the nose begin to lift then the negative angle of attack of the winglet get smaller reducing the downforce allowing the nose to lift even more thus further reducing the angle of attack to eventualy end up with positive lift pushing the bike to do a backflip. That's called an unstable equilibrium the opposite of what an airplane tail is made to do.
superb video! thanks...
What? Turbulent flow decreases drag and laminar flow increases it, thats why golf balls have holes and aircrafts have a high rugosity material on the nose
trimmed the front fender on my WR450 supermoto and got rid of some instability issues top end
You got me, subscribed and thanks great vid!
...and two years later my new Ducati comes with wiglets. Not so sure how they will help on the road :)
Everytime Ducati comes up with something cutting-edge, everyone cries foul and calls it a "unfair advantage"... Long Live The Desmo King.
Riding race bikes in the 50s is like "If I fall,I am dead" .Anway,have you ever seen motorcyclists with bicycle helmets?how stupid funny is that?a mountain bike helmet lol
A wing on a car provides downforce at all times. A wing on a motorcycle provides a force that is directed towards the tires. When the bike is in a corner and leaned over, the aerodynamic force is angled with the bike. It doesn't push downwards only, but outwards from the turn as well.
MV Agusta had wings just like these on their GP bike in i think it was 1970!
I didn't watch anything associated with bikes, but i never expect that bikes need downforce, isn't that the downforce will push the bike outwards while the driver are leaning to take the corner.
The Ducati GP vs Hayabusa, which faster?
Hey! Can you do a video on the Ducati's holeshot device - still don't fully get it even after reading a bunch on it! Thanks!
I hate these organizations. A sport is created and then they just put in stupid amounts of rules. Who cares if something gives someone a advantage that just means the others need to get good or tell their engineers to find a solution.
It's funny cause downforce was made to make the car go faster, but it also seems like it's the bane of good motor racing action.
Modern electric motorcycle pioneers have experimented with "dustbin fairings" and streamlined tails to double electric range and a higher sustained speed on the freeway (70 MPH). The electric motorcyclist were trying to travel cross country on a electric motorcycle before fast charging accessories for motorcycles were improve in 2017. Though the streamlined tails were very long, there was not a huge adverse affect in a non racing application. craigvetter.com/pages/470MPG/Index%20to%20making%20the%20Last%20Vetter%20Fairing.html
Light, Luggage, performance mods.
Please throw some light on the above
you deserve more subscribers
Can’t decide if I think this wing thing is a good or bad thing for MotoGP (and bikes in general)
Really good video, referencing the 85 year old technology of dustbin fairings was useful in explaining the purpose of modern fairings and how its not always the fastest design that works best.
Gracias from Mexico.
Awesome video. Where can I get that t-shirt?!
I added winglets for my zx10r. helps with wheelies. not sure about turbulence. i cant tell.
So the kawasaki H2r copy the wings from Ducati
Wow great stuff! 10/10
Problem is that Moto GP then becomes like F1 where rider behind becomes disadvantaged because of turbulence equalling less overtaking!
Watching this bc my partner both winglet that so expensive
Zuzuki Hayabuza is my favorite motorcycle.
if CoD is the same and the Surface area is the same. then we can say that
75bhp Moto Guzzi @ 301kph is 301x301= 90,601 =75bhp. (90601/75 = 1208.01/hp)
197hp Suzuki Hayabusa @ 327kph is 327 x 327 =106,929 = 197hp. (106,929/197 = 524.78/hp)
the Moto is doing less work to the air. if it had 197hp i could go maybe as fast as 1208.01 x 197 =237,977.97 Square root of 237,977.97 = 487kph 302.6mph max
Put it on salt and it will not be as quick of cause. so just a rough guess.
Look at 1208.01 and 524.78 as a level of
slipperiness.
Why oh why doesn't Dorna/FIM look at F1... They keep making the same mistakes. Traction control nearly killed F1, but you know it'll stop high sides so lets have it... winglets & excessive downforce killed proper racing in F1 as they find it harder to follow, a problem they are still dealing with due to complex front wings... motogp... yeah we'll have some of that. As the dude pointed out, teams & FIM already know these winglets making it harder for the guy behind to follow, yet they clear all these designs for 2018.
When will both championships/governing bodies focus on the racing and not making 1 car/bike ridiculously fast/grippy on their own. FE is gonna end up blowing these championships apart and and electric bike series as they cannot afford to add all this drag to their vehicles cause of the infancy of their drive trains & batteries which is why they have closer racing. I am not for stock vehicles, but when you actually look out their, the championships with stock chassis are always the ones with closer racing/more winners per year.
Moto GP refuses to learn from F1 mistakes because we're bikes... fk the cars! Ilmor had the same ridiculous mentality when they had a stab at bikes... we know everything about car engines so lets make a bike on this will be easy... wrong!
Mikael,
Very well made videos. I really like and learn from you.
Just one little detail, Cx, Cd don’t have units. I noticed that you have put square metres, but the area is considered by A in the formula.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient
Thanks and keep up the good work!
Carl
They help keep the front end down... NEXT.
Kiwi John Britten invented them in the 1980’s
V King yeah Naaah, t’was the late Dr Freeth .....
Chris Braid I don’t recall a bike complete with fairing that was designed to add downward pressure to the front wheels on cornering designed & built by the late Dr Freeth. Unless he was working with JB?
I would add that the dustbin fairing covered up the front wheel, a major source of drag. The spokes are moving at twice the vehicle speed as they come over the top. As drag increases as the square of velocity, even those skinny spokes can have quite an effect at speed.
Also, Cda is simply how efficiently air moves around an object, compared with a flat panel with the same frontal area.
Sepang motogp track is very close to me
Wheres that H2R
That ''dustbin fairing'' was banned for a very good reason. It's just not safe in the cross winds and people have died, a lot. The benefits of ''dustbin fairing'' is that it covers up the front wheel, not the rider.
Why don't they just get rid of the RIDER since it causes a lot of air turbulence? And as said, it's the enemy of the smooth laminar flow, therefore No rider = No drag = Increased speed = Faster lap times. The Motogp aerodynamics department is lacking brains.
And you are lacking......
LOVED the Video!
I only wish you had done more, at the end, about the 2018 'pass-thru' aerodynamics and how they still provide substantial downforce with less turbulence and without the exposed 'winglets' that were so dangerous in a crash.
Can someone show me the math to get the new top speed of using the dust-bin fairing on the hayabusa, thanks. Its for my Math Internal Assesment. :)
is it going to be harder for riders to follow each other and make overtaking harder? Nobody wants Formula 1's problems.
Never mentioned "drag coefficient" ???
hmMM!! Thinks hesth so freaking smarts... LOL
Great vid, big science fan !
At least the winglets broke of "rather easily", in case of a crash ... the new integrated solutions surely won't 🤔😑
I can’t even look at these bikes any more!.. That Ducati is the ugliest thing I have ever laid my eyes on...! Just a single opinion...🤮
Jerry - Yeah, let's say it's a step sideways. Aero on cars, if done right (this is from an aesthetic stand point) looks rather good. But if they go with functional & forget the looks, then it can look very bad. It can and often does have a very large effect on the appearance, but the effect is not by it's nature good or bad, it's just very obvious. The Ferrari La Ferrari is quite an attractive car. It's also had a lot of work done on the aero. The Ford GT is a modern homage to the mid '60s GT40, and it does look strikingly like the original. But it's had an awful lot of work done on the aero, and it is sure as hell not ugly.
Kneedragon1962 I agree with everything you say 100%....👍
Poor you....sad.
Yr 100per cent right
Kneedragon1962 The McLaren Senna being a prime example
Awesome explanation dude, it's true that turbulence flow around the rider, it sicks and tired the riders, even I also experienced that
Anymore motorcycle channels like this u all would recommend, or any that talks and explains Moto GP?
Ducati needs all t help they can get... keep t good work ducati, someday u will b as good as the Japanese bikes
thanks Mikael
Can you do a video on Craig Vetters race years please? His stream-liners decimated before the FIM ruled on nose cone angles and how far a fairing can extend beyond the bike.
Thanks!
but when you lie it flat into a corner isnt that downforce suddenly sideforce making the front tire want to wash out into a lowside? did the designers only think about the upright position?
That is a question I was asking during the video. I hope the presenter can address this point.
When sideways... the wing would act like a shark fin, cutting the wind ...only when the rider lifts the bike he has to shuggle, so then they have to use more energy to get the bike upright, or flip it to the other side
th-cam.com/video/Y3nEbwOTN3g/w-d-xo.html Here's a more technical explanation if you're interested.
hahah what the fuck are you kidding me right now "cutting the wind". god i love youtube comments
This is highly debatable. As the lean angle goes beyond 45 deg, the force is exerted more to the side, the wrong side. So far, it creates a significant outward force, but also a down-force. Rider opinion at this point, is it's a bit like more or less physical weight on the front. It does very much have an effect, but exactly whether that's a positive thing or a negative thing depends on the bike and the rider and the circumstances. (Tyre choice, front spring rate & preload, etc...) It is very much like adding a 20kg bag of cement over the front of the fairing - there are circumstances where that's a bad thing and others where it actually helps. The place where it really does help, -a lot-, is as the bike picks up out of a fast corner, and goes for full power. The one who gets the biggest benefit, is Ducati, because their bike has a relatively low & rearward centre of gravity. The weight distribution of the Duke is perfect to get maximum power down and drive forward, as early as possible, but as the bike comes more upright, the rider has to back off to control the wheelie. The Yamaha has this problem rather less, because it has a higher and further forward centre of gravity. The heavy part on the yam is like where the cylinder head is. The heavy part on the duke is like where the clutch is.... That does not provide a clear advantage to one or the other, overall, but it does mean as you pick up off the corner, at 120 ~ 200 km/h, the duke first gets much better drive, but then can't maintain that forward drive because the front lifts. That's why Ducati are playing with downforce, and the most loud and vocal to keep it and defend it. They have by far the most to gain. Everybody else is jumping on the band-wagon, because ... you know, there might be an advantage in it... Why let Ducati have turbochargers if we don't have them?
I always wanted to put wings on the wheels, but I probably would have killed myself anyway.
I can’t wait until a bike can actually compete with an F1. I continue to hold out hope lol
Rossi reference for physically exhausting....yup he is getting old
Awesome video
Absolutely brilliant video mate...makes so much more sense now haha
Also you gained a sub because your videos are actually so informative and interesting...keep it up mate!!!
Aerodynamics. Making every series boring since late 1990s!
could you do a blown diffusor on a bike? if you could make it work you could get instant downforce on rear wheel for traction?
Do the new fairing winglets exhaust the rider?
put a jet wing,, and it will be ready for take off
Thanks! That was a great explanation. I have some understanding of aerodynamics as I'm a pilot, but I didn't know why the winglets were banned, especially the part about making it dangerous for riders behind and rider fatigue.
winglets suck dustbins rule!
MotoGP Winglets explained: They copied John Britten's idea from a few decades ago.
Very nice explanation 👏👏
New drinking game: A shot whenever a hand leaves the screen and comes back.
Well and easy explained as always. U deserve my subscribing
It’s not QAAAATAAAR IT’s qatar.
Advantages aside, the new aeros look absolutely hideous!
Awesome video!!.
Great informative video Sir .
I'm currently attempting a 200 mph run on my hayabusa and will give your advice great consideration.
Thank you and add 1 sub
After watching this video I felt obligated to subscribe bro, good job , very informative.
pleaseeee iannone!!!! comeback to DUCATI
Thanks for explanation, liked and subscribed :)
Ducati fitted Hand break on Lorenzo's 2017 bike is that necessary?
Pranav Kumar with the new trend of leg dangling i can see so.
+jack Clark
Yes. I think so
New trend? It's been around 13 years at least started in 2005 by Valentino Rossi.
wings are putting motogp bikes in the same fugly house as F1 cars
They look way better with winglets
Could you make another one about GP machine set up for a race?