Jocko Podcast 343: American Intelligence Assessment of Nazi Military, 1942
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Assessment of German Military training tactics. 1942
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Well, gonna be a late night I guess.
Literally the same exact thought just came through my head
Lmao for real brother
Right here with ya.
@@gigachoof this is a good one fellas.
Yep, for me as well fellas.
“ The worship of the state is the worship of force. There is no more dangerous menace to civilization than a government of incompetent, corrupt, or vile men. The worst evils which mankind ever had to endure were inflicted by governments.”
~ Ludwig bin Mises
Sounds kinda familiar 🤔
so give everyone guns and we can have elementary school and shopping mall mass killings, while every other civilised country doesn't has this problem.
kinda sounds like the u.s. govt
Jawohl, bestimmt! It also follows that a real antidote is not another, "different" nationalism, or even some some flavor of antinationalism or globalism (supernationalism) -- but radical individualism, of the sort envisioned and fostered by the U.S.Constitution.
This type of individual is, paradoxically, a uniting influence -- but the cost and specific efforts needed to realise widespread accomplishment of such a beneficial result are vanishingly rare in today's world. Nevertheless, such means are available to any who act with likeminded partners to meet the need.
Is not an argument against government. There is nothing to be gained from unilateral disarmament as the corrupt, vile and evil men will still form governments to seize control of the affairs of the world.
I’m glad echo is participating far more. He interjects with great points and quantifies his thoughts. 🤙
Maybe to you..
@@zagreb2012 do you not like echo?
Found Echo's alt account
You mean “qualify” not “quantify”!
Glad you're back Echo! You bring balance to the podcast!
We all want to bash what the German people and soldiers did in the 30s and 40s but if any of us went back in time to Germany back in the 1930s with the country in dire straights and someone offering a way to turn it around and every one of your friends and family join up and being a part of it, very good chance 99% of us would have done the same thing they all did and joined the party.
This is how jocko changed me, in iraq twice, on ssri antipsycotics, benzos alchol herion 1 year on nothing would stop a bullet for anyone even if I don't like you, thanks jocko time to live
*Jocko Willink is the Reluctant Leader we need.*
.....We know you've done enough, but your Nation needs you.
🇺🇸 *2024* 🦅
We just need to put him in charge of the Boy Scouts and make sure he has this book...
Jocko is a globalist. Make no mistake about it
He has leadership skills. We need a real leader.
🙄
No American patriot has the right to turn down the job of president in the country.
It's duty. One of the highest possible privileges in this nation and world for that matter. If he gets the call, he must go. He knows that. I'm sure if he was put in that position, he would. He must. Same as the rest of us. We are ALL our brothers keepers. Whether we believe it or not. It's a call to duty.
Ever since Varus fell in the Forest of Teutebourg, German strategy and tactics have been a worthwhile study.
There was a HUGE amount of tension between the Nazi party and the General Staff of the German Army. To understand the General Staff, read Clausewitz. In particular, the Prussians and Hitler hated each other and "Nazi General" was considered an insult.
Around 1 hour in, Jocko and Echo are talking about how the generals aren't getting glory possibly because Hitler was threatened. Another possibly is that Hitler was enlisted and wanted to shine light on them because of a sense of brotherhood. Also, recognizing them will probably inspire them to perform beyond what they normally would.
Lol, as soon as I finished writing the comment, the next sentence out of Jocko's mouth was about Hitler being a corporal and a runner.
He was not a fan of the officer corps or the prussian elite thats why in his private army(Waffen-SS) requirements to become an officer were much more relaxed in the sense it was open to anyone who was properly qualified. Unlike the Heer officer corps had been for most of its history.
Recognize them and furnish them meth
Thanks Jocko "the Nazis were squared away" Willink - real efficient podcast!!
Echo is back. Nice.
Great research & content, Thank you both for sharing 🇺🇸
Its been out for an hour you still haven’t even finished it
Thanks Joko, and Echo, for being SUPER HEROS. Your podcasts give me motivation! I went a different direction in my life! I try to be BETTER!
Love your pod cast. Great info. Never thought you and Dean kicking my ass at Fabio’s to an amazing motivational speaker. Listening to you each day keeps my purpose at the fore front. Good luck in the future brother. Doc Tim (SARC)
What a good weekend listen. Thank you Mr. Jocko and Mr. Echo.
Great to see Echo Charles on the podcast again!!! Always great hearing your banter with each other. Haha
Excellent episode!! As an avid military history buff, and student of Sun Tzu’s Art of War, this examination of German military doctrine was a great learning experience! Well done!
I read Field Marshall Rommel’s biography (also Eisenhower’s) and Rommel had a particular doctrine he espoused, called “Do it clean.” If you did things right, every time, it would keep you out of trouble and lead to an honorable victory. This eventually led to his disillusionment and division from Hitler.
Apparently the North Africans loved Rommel, said he used to smoke hashish with them while they were building runways.
This was a fascinating and interesting podcast! Many thanks Jocko and Echo!
This is amazing. I am on podcast 88 I'm tempted to listen to this podcast tomorrow just to see the difference between the older and newer podcasts.
dude, those early podcasts are so heavy, but good. enjoy man.
They just dont talk about alpha brain now
normaly id go on a hike or do some light sporting when i wake up. on thursdays but jocko told me to begin the day with omission. and i must say i feel kinda chill right now. no factor jocko. thanks for the advice! now im gonna make myself an omelette work that down my throat and then ill go watch out my window to see all the runners go by... you know ... focus on the goods. straight up man. legit
1939 German Field Manual
1. Consume Pervitin
2. *Dominate*
Haha, true, I recently discovered allied forces also took amphetamines. Name of the game I guess, he who can stay sharp and alert will survive.
@@Sebastian-pb9hm They absolutely did, also people like to ignore this but after mid 1941 pervatin was made prescription only. And it was mostly only handed out before major offensives and in situations that were determined the drawbacks were outweighed by potential benefit. And again for the most part it was pilots and tank crews getting it just like in the allied forces. Drugs and war go back to when moses wore short pants.
"Stuka Tabs"
The glider club I flew at in Germany was founded in the 1920s and was nationalized by the Nazi government in the 1930s to train basic flying skills before the military buildup in the late 30s. To this day, soaring is a popular hobby in Germany.
Wish I started listening when you first started. Probably saved me. Thanks for doing these.
On episode 23. Going threw all of them
Welcome to your next evolution.
Took me about a year to catch up, & this was two years ago. Good luck, your voice in your head will start to sound like Jocko. It's a trip. It's awesome.
"What is history but a fable agreed upon "
History provides a rough idea of what really happened
1:45:55 I am not a soldier and have done no legit military marching, however, I find this quite impressive. I've done some marathons, and an ironman, and I know how tough those can be with no extra weight on terrain with average vertical. 85 miles in 3 days with a whole battalion in 3 days seems near the limit if there it was actually through mountains. I know it is possible to go faster and farther but that is without the extra weight and that is not as a battalion. Unless I'm missing something here or am just way out of line if so please set me straight. 4 mph seems like a sustainable pace with a 40-pound ruck and mild terrain for up to 40-50 miles but 85 miles through MOUNTAINS. That's some ultramarathon-level athletic performance from a whole battalion. That's 28.667 miles a day, at 4 mph it is 7.16 hrs of moving without stopping for anything. Add in food, sleep, logistics, navigation, etc., and in a warzone, things are getting tight. Please someone with some actual experience in military combat long-range foot patrol please, give your experience and insight.
Were there any strong stimulants included in the soldiers ration packs
@@psngaming3796 No. This is an American propaganda myth. They had chocolate and sometimes were served coffee, that's about it. They had excellent fitness standards, period. Their training prior to war was extensive.
They also had pervitin which was an amphetamine...
@@jrocgnomesayin8697 They didn't all have pervitin as American myth portrays. It was a very expensive drug that couldn't be issued to all soldiers. It was issued mostly to the Air Force elites who had to fly mission after mission without rest. Not 90% of the Army. For the average soldier, finding a bottle of booze was the drug of choice before an assault.
@@Bahamut3525 agreed. In the book Blitz they talk about soldiers writing home to have their families send them pills. My understanding is they were on it during the French blitzkrieg which is why they were so amped up and kept charging forward beyond what was planned.
Great watch, keep up the good work
What I find disturbing is how Nazi Scientists were smuggled out of the country and basically built the U.S. space program, while the guy that was the accountant at a concentration camp got life in prison.
War tribunals are never about justice, its about squeezing the most out of your victory while fucking the defeated the most
More then that, the best biologists and doctors and chemists and architects, known SS high ranking ones aswell where snapped up and given top positions in all the sciences. Estimated 25,000 top nazis spared between the west and russia
Yeah, it's the world we live in. If you have valuable skills (or enough money) justice won't reach you
@@franksmith4617 EXACTLY! Just look at Hunter!
These scientists and engineers weren't all that "nazi". They just enjoyed doing their research and having the financial support to do so. If they had been dyed in the wool nazis they would have refused to work for the Americans. Plus, US scientists developed the atomic bomb, full well knowing what it would do and apparently most of them didn't have moral objections. So scientists being so in love with their research that they don't care what the consequences are isn't a German issue here.
This is why my Grandfather respected German soldiers.
"We defeated the wrong enemy."
- General Patton
Yes - same. "F***ing good fighters, even when they knew they were surrounded and going to die"...
@@jamajnasoares5702 No you didn't, from Germany
you're not even german, "🇪🇺".
@@EUpunisher
Highly recommend reading Hitler Youth: Growing up in Hitlers Shadow. It gives a lot of detail and mindset from people who went through it. They were highly trained kids with a lot of responsibility
You ain’t lying , a terrifying book.
I'd like to have them fixing the infrastructure than BIPOC LGBTQP's and KinderKissing FurryFellating Phreaks..
Wow thank you so much for discussing this…and thank you for your conclusion to study history so that we can try to prevent its repetition
Yeah. If the January 6th mob would have been as organised as these Nazis, the result would have looked even worse.
It's funny to see Jocko is wrestling with his feelings of admiration for the obvious efficiency of German military thinking, then quickly and constantly having to remind himself and the audience: "But they were evil damn Nazis after all". But this is based of course on the victors' post WW2 narrative of history.
I noticed this as well. One cannot help but admire the achievements of the German military back then while at the same time feeling guilty about it.
As long as you keep the ideology and the horrific acts they carried out in the name of ideology, the actual military aspect was admirable and is something im sure many armies still today take good lessons from.
Love a good podcast. Jocko plus echo and a good read.
Talk 80's skateboarding Jocko! I know DJ S. talked about it. i love it...have a couple wall hangers and my OG bonite hawk decks...please share...lol
Standing by to get some
Jocko seems hardcore as hell, but he has an undercurrent of humor which cracks me up sometimes. He actually refers to Hitler as "Bro..." (I think it's in the section where he talks about him abandoning his troops for death at Stalingrad).
I'm sorry, that just cracked me up. We're talking about perhaps the most destructive human in history, and Jocko's just like, "You need to follow your own guidelines, Bro..." Hahahahaha!!!
If you take life (even Stalingrad) too seriously, it'll bend you like a pretzel. That's hard to remember, but always good to...
I believe his style, the way he is sort of instructing groups, it's his way,his jargon ,of pointing out the he was a Megalomaniac,like using raw cynical thinking,delusional POVs shouldn't be taken seriously,in the brevity of combat his mind was unhealthy to be short.Dont believe he is envious of such a monstrosity sir.
Regarding sweat saves blood: I heared that back in 2007 during basic training slightly changed to "One litre of sweat, spares one drop of blood." from our uncommissioned officers.
Great episode
You can learn just as much from bad leadership and evil than you can from good. Jocko understands this better than most.
Starting off with gold!!!!
At the same age I was still playing with ninja turtles Hitler youth were running drills
i agree with echo about how ww2 feels so distant, almost like mythology, and its so wierd to me that my dad was born in 1937, like he was alive when this lord of the rings stuff was really happening
Awesome podcast
Remember when someone in San Diego took pics or video of the SEAL team building in Coronado that was shaped like a swastika ...
all of my interests intersect in this episode
Makes me think of some song lyrics, some that I have thought of before, often.
The word efficient to describe the systems they had is somewhat of an understatement.
They was one of the most squared away military organisations there was.
even though the things they did, which the normal soldier had no idea about ie the camps...you still have to look at that for what it is.
Mastery of organisation in some ways.
When I was in music school, the instrumentalists who were always practicing were the percussionists. Maybe it was just my school, but that studio had incredible work ethic. I wonder how common that is - I was trumpet, and there were like 2 of us that actually practiced. Credit where it’s due!
I’d like to hear more of EC, just think preparation and homework would keep podcast focused.
On first sight it would seem strange that the highly intense officer training would be called "aristocratic" but I think Americans in general have a hard time understanding Aristocracy.
In Europe officer traditions came from the traditions of the nobility and the nobles were historically the warrior class. Therefore their training started when they were just children.
What happens in mass army of mechanization in modernity is that the warrior profession is open to everybody. So if you want to maintain your traditions you have to come up with far more intense qualifications in order to keep your traditions.
American officer school is quite the opposite. Anybody can become an officer granted they have college and they make it physically.
Aristocracy are just a bunch of bloodliners who run the world
Yeah, “aristocratic” is just one of those dog whistle words that diverts their trains of thought for ~20 minutes every time they encounter it
Add to that the Pervatin they were issued and often hyped up on.
Echo has an uncanny bank of nitty-gritty movie knowledge, whats more is he accesses his library and utilizes it with no beats skipped.. No hemming n hawing, just slams random ass trivia on the table like Ice Cube playin dominos in the hood.. Not gonna time stamp it but echo flexes his movie memory bank pretty hard in this episode..
Thanks Jocko!!!!!!!
Good.
Checcckkkk
It's not that Germany didn't adapt, it just couldn't keep up with the losses in the east and the industrial base was getting destroyed, so it became increasingly more difficult to replace its losses. Also, 80% of Germany's losses were in the east against the USSR....
A perfect hell
A great book on the first special forces in ww2
The German military (before 1939 and to 1945) had comradery, faith, brother and sisterhood, all that. They were united and determined and proud, especially after their defeat and humiliation in the Great War (aka European War), Treaty of Versailles, and total defeat. Great study/overview of this and I believe it's important to learn from.
Yeah, the Versailles treaty caused great sympathy for the promises Hitler made. Without Versailles WW2 would probably not have happened.
Great point. As much as Wilson may have been a horrible president, in terms of his domestic policy, he was correct about how the central powers should have been handled in defeat. Had his 14 points been implemented the post war period may have been a bit different. However, i dont know that it would have changed all the conflict and chaos in eastern europe. A lot of people forget that there were numerous small wars in central and eastern europe after wwi, not to mention the bolshevik revolution, that eventually laid a lot of the groundwork for the second world war.
@@alexandercampbell0001 thank you awesome add-on! a great discussion. our current leaders need to remember and learn from the past so as not to repeat it. unfortunately our CiC doesn't seem like he can remember anything other than what's on the teleprompter. "End of Quote, Repeat the Line." I'm worried.
@@petrairene That and a justified fear of communism and the belief hitler was better than the communists(debatable in hindsight they are different brands of the same basic shit sandwich)
@@bigvinnie3 Though at that time nobody could know that communism as a system just does not work because the human psychological makeup does not support a governing system like this. It was a brand new thing so hope was to some extent justified. Whereas, "nationalistic autocratic dictator" has had a dysfuncional record since antiquity.
Patents. Every cure was pre cut. Good looks Kendrick. Videos saved me to a degree🤔
Thanks.
Love the WW2 stuff!
Glad Echo is back. Now please get a new mic stand
Just learned that you were in Ramadi. I was there in 2005.
I would give everything in my life to have one of these guys as my dad
I do dad stuff by the hour. No it doesn’t include hugging
@@NoticerOfficial I'll need a crisp high five at least
One of these guys? You mean one of the Wehrmacht officers? 😂
I know this may sound controversial to some, but would you ever consider reviewing and dissecting Hitler's "Mein Kampf?"
If he does I’d recommend the Thomas Dalton translation.
Cambodian brother in Yosemite still listening
From my experience will the military, army osut and army rotc, all college is for becoming an officer is showing that you some potential in terms of learning how to be a good military leader
How can you not like Jocko?
Very good episode. Just a side note: Rommel was never a Nazi. Nazis were members of the National Socialist political party, which sought to dominate all aspects of German society- like all socialist do. The Nazis formed their own parallel military units-the guys in all black with the "Death's Head" badge on their caps- in addition to the Wehrmacht, the professional military class of soldiers.
It's true that Rommel never ofically joined the Nazi party. However, he did support the Nazi party, was considered a defacto National Socialist in ideology by high ranking Nazi leaders like Goebbels, and he personally admired and was very friendly with Hitler. And yes, socialism taken to an extreme like the far left Soviet or Maoist socialism or far right German fascist-socialism both seek to dominate all aspects of society and create a brutal totalitarian state.
'nazi' = boogieman.
National Socialists.
It's inaccurate to say all socialists seek to dominate all aspects of society. Most areas of society (the Interstate highway system, the FDA, the EPA, etc) include aspects of socialism (ie, a contribution by everyone for a public good).
One has to beware Far Right talking points. They'll have everyone worried about "Socialism" while they try to overthrow democracy (ie Jan 6th), and use the government to exert more control over individuals than American socialists ever have (ie, forcing raped 10 year olds to carry their pregnancy to term, etc).
Authoritarianism (in whatever form it takes) is what one should guard against. Just sayin'...
@Elliot A. It is true that not all socialists seek to dominate society. However, greater levels of socialism leads to greater chances of authoritarianism because more socialism (defined as public/govt control of property & production) requires a more powerful centralized authority (eg. government) with more powers to regulate or outright control industry or the private sector. Furthermore, the far right are often socialists to a heavy degree too. The fascists of WW2 promoted national socialism where they government took over and strong armed private businesses to further state interests. The Trump brand of far right promotes more government control when it suits them and a bigger military (a socialist institution controlled by the state).
@@Intranetusa Yes... I get SOO tired of hearing the indoctrinated (of which there are many) get all worried about big bad, scary "Socialism" (you know, like Social Security and Medicare) while they pay ABSOLUTELY NO ATTENTION to rapidly creeping Fascist Authoritarianism in our politicians, Supreme Court and other judiciaries, etc.
Many of us are like people running away from an imaginary danger they've been told will come from the sky, not noticing they're running into a very real danger that's all around them on the ground...
I think all the flavors are delicious..I hope I like the new recipe!
The best Marine officers i ever worked for were prior enlisted. This is 25 years ago, it's probably changed, but at that time the Corps was pushing for more "Mustang" officers.
I was in the Corps around that time as well, Mustang officers, I feel, we’re always more on top of things, easier to approach, and overall better leaders in my opinion…… I was with 1st Radio Bn/7th Comm MCB Hawaii 93-late 96…..
It's sad that after 6 years of college I've learned more about world history from This podcast than I did from Buffalo State College (Engeneering/ Science Major)
Bless up from Brooklyn. Solid EDUCATUONAL episode for those that do not know these important historical events
Apparently you missed spelling class too bro 😎
My man you didn't have prereqs or unrelated electives?
Anybody got a pdf link or where i could get a copy of the actual report?
Back in the 70’s, there was an “After school special” on TV, I think called “The Wave.” It showed how a public school teacher was able to start a ‘club’ like the Hitler Youth, which got crazy out of hand. I think this may have been based on a real experiment. Anybody else remember this?
We watched that in a German Gymnasium when I was in an exchange program back in 2001.
Yep saw that in a class, I heard the teacher got fired from it too
When my Mum was a child in Ireland, someone turned up in her seaside town offering clothes [uniforms] and food to them in exchange for joining their group.
She was all for having a warm jumper and skirt.
One of the people she looked up to had her look at the colours and said quietly, they are nazis.
She then lost interest.
Amazing episode! Is there a way i could download the assement document that is talked about?
It might be just me, but the GO drinks were plenty sweet already. No hate. no complaints - the new formula is good too!
US production had a major impact of war, not only were we supplying, our troops, but those of our allies, little know fact, USSR at time was producing only war vehicles, ie tanks, gun and aircraft. but no support vehicles, all their support transportation, ( fuel trucks, ammo carriers, ect...), was supplied by US. US Jeep was highly prized.
I love how Jocko and Echo are like: that sounds squared away, but they are Nazi, so true 😂
Believe it or not believe it or not there is a instruction video on TH-cam on how to keep up good spirits and high vibrations in the SS it's called "Pimp My Reich (Full video, 1080p30fps)" I think Echo may like it since he's into media 😈🤙
Yes, to be very honest this sounded great to me, at minimum if it was an elective to kids in middle/highschool. With our second amendment we should habe the oppurtunity to work on tanks and armored boats. 2A was also meant to have people ready to defend their states from enemies, foreign or domestic, and was supposed to be mostly independent from government (ESPECIALLY Federal)
I like Chadd Wrights story about being the middle of the pack and never getting noticed. Don't be the best, but don't be worst. And in most things in life you won't be the best. Just don't be the worst.
Jocko, you gotta talk to James topp.hes the 26 year veteran of the Canadian infantry who ruck marched from Vancouver to Ottawa this year. He's currently on the 2nd leg marching from newfoundland back to Ontario. He wants to talk to you
I wanna see the assessment for the Japanese army
Guns: shitty
Training: samurai
Fighting spirit: 1000%
Another good topic would be the Winter war, when the Soviets made the mistake of invading Finland.
If it's even possible, I have more respect for our WW2 veterans after listening to this.
Same here sir.
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This will be a nice treat to doing Ketovore & intermittent fasting. 1 month in & I'm down 20 lbs & my BP was 105/68 yesterday!
Not bad for fat & 56! 70 lbs to go!
Györkei, Jenõ; Kirov, Alexandr; Horvath, Miklos (1999). Soviet Military Intervention in Hungary, 1956. New York: Central European University Press. "The major contribution made by the book is its source material, which reveals new information on the organization, command, strategy, and tactics of the Soviet armed forces which invaded Hungary in 1956."
Seems like we DO still see this type of military building today in a few places... (looking directly at Gi-na)
@Andy Godwin China.. But i was going for Gi-na. As in Va-Gi-na
Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen
Gracias hermano.
no amen thanks
Thanks
WTF!!!! I MISSED THIS???!!?? How did i miss this.I can hear my oldman yellin "U need to get squared, ur f@×¢kn Slackin private ".
The most surprising part is how many Americans with German heritage participated at that time in Nazi/Hitler Youth camps here in the States. 🤷♂️
Ideology and playing the king game is very underrated by many. 🤧
Is it a coincidence that this was uploaded on the 78th anniversary of operation Valkyrie?
1:46:00 - Pervitin
A Spanish Civil War episode would be awesome.... the set up for that conflict rhymes with America way way too much right now.
You must NOT Implement a system this thorough and effective ! Anyone proposing to do so Drinks Water ! 😱 And you know who ALSO Drank Water ? ! … Scary Stuff
🎶 accent the negative eliminate the positive 🎶 that's how we keep em down!!
@Andy Godwin Sarcasm is lost on you I see …
@Andy Godwin Andy, Stay Golden... don't you ever change.🙏
@Andy Godwin Thanks you as well, have a good one.🤙
Jocko is like the father figure I've never had.
Nice.
I met a person who was a self affirmed Hitler youth. He called it the boy scouts.
Percussion major = D&C
Can we get btf Tony back on I can listen to u guys everyday just listen to both again 2 years is to long
i know how to fly gliders its still a long way to be a fighter pilot its a a very different thing
"The Academy". what's that?
Sounds a lot like the cartels module for training and recruiting
Kevin Owens or David Goggins please