Why Serbia Cannot Decide Between East and West
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Aleksandar Vučic has spent his presidency walking a delicate balance between the East and the West by applying for EU membership while also cosying up to Russia and China. But how is he able to manage this geopolitical juggling in such a divisive era?
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@1:50 The democratic pro-European party didn't come to power after proclamation of Kosovo's independence. Quite the opposite, it ruled up until around when Kosovo declared independence in 2008, when public support switched to SNS and the old radical party cadre. Up until then, there was hope that turning to the west or joining the EU wouldn't be conditioned by the Kosovo issue, since it was portrayed as such. Only when Kosovo unilaterally declared independence, and the west gave it unconditional support, did the public support drop , and skepticism towards the EU and the West rose. IMHO, very important to note.
Exactly, EU choose Kosovo independence over Serbia, people are not idiots here we see who our real allies are and who directly work against our interests.
Saying there is unconditional support for Kosovo within the EU is lying. Quite a few members don't recognize them.
But yeah, no, saying there was pro-EU sentiments in Serbia before that is lying. Western Europe bombed the country to the ground back in 1999, killing tens of thousands, if not more. Serbs rightfully hate us and our guts, and want to enter the EU to destroy us from within. Which is perfectly normal and understandable after our actions.
@@carick235feel free to join the russian world with its perks: poverty, autocracy and Life expectancy of 60 years on average.
@@giuseppearleo6324i like all of those things so i accept it. Peace material wealth happiness and freedom arent the most important things in life
@@luksina138 thanks for clarifying of being crazy.
Thank you for talking about Serbia, but the video has some flaws that should be highlighted:
1. Being between East and West for Serbia has way much deeper history and its not starting only with this leader. It has roots in Middle Age Serbia and even during Tito with Non-Aligned Movement.
2. Democratic changes happened 2000 after Nato bombed Serbia and Albanian SELF-declared independence 2008 breaking UNSC RES 1244 (1999). Its disputed territory and not clear case like its shown here,
3. Connection with Russia also comes from firm support of the issue of Kosovo, not just because cheaper gas and history,
3. Besides China and Russia, severe influence in the region comes from Turkey, that is not mentioned here at all.
When Kosova and Albania was in that land of now days serbia you didn’t exist in Europe not where you are , thifes of other peoples , life , land and History
Serbian history is fake
Make a choice,if you dare!!!!
Any and every media platform never tells the whole truth!!
@@dannywest7587 Make a choice about what? what is there to choose?
Republic of Kosovo is recognize by the most of european country's and USA. CAJ declare that Kosovo republic is also legal ... Serbia is just loosing time ..
Economically, Serbia can't do without the West, not as a landlocked nation surrounded by EU countries. But it's not hard to see why historically and culturally they are so anti-western and especially anti-NATO.
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Macedonia is Serbian 🇷🇸
Correct observation, Serbia has received billions of Euros in non-returnable financial support from the EU and NATO countries in addition to the fact that Western companies have opened 500,000 new jobs in Serbia. Hundreds of thousands of Serbs have left Serbia and are now Serbs living in NATO countries and living wonderful lives there with a high standard of living. Serbia is pro-Putin for the same reason as Orban in Hungary, they do not want to integrate politically closer to the West because then all corruption and crime will be exposed by various Western institutions. In addition, ultra nationalists in Serbia still dream of expanding Serbia in various directions on the map, as their inspirer Putin is trying to do now. Letting Serbia into NATO and the EU is letting Putin's Trojan horse in, Serbia should be sanctioned by the EU but unfortunately France has too many pro-Putin and pro-Vucic people with political power.
@@BranislavB-hx9zy Serbia, also recived multi billion destruction from those same countries. Milion of Serbs are displaced from their homes only in nineties by west allies. Serbia is not pro east or west, we just don't care about their wars. We had enough.
Above all, Serbian people are completely brainwashed by the media owned by Vucic's cronies.
East or West?
Serbia: Yes!
If you want to maintain good relationship with East and West you are Putin's puppet.
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They should go east and stay poor and backwards, Hungary should follow and leave the EU …
We can only chose our friends.
We can't chose our enemies.They've chosen us.
Things you do not know: before negotiating in Doha,the very first meeting between Taliban and USA delegation took place in Belgrade and it was secret.We are in the midle between Est and West,NATO and Russia,but we belong only to ourself ❤
Charming.
But now everything takes place somewhere else.
Doha has better hotels. A shame.
@@antoninodarioconti6347 Doha is 100% controled by one superpower,that's it!
@@antoninodarioconti6347 Why do I need hotels? I have my own house. YOU need a hotel. And I don't care what you need because your home is somewhere else. Go there.
@@chickenlover657 That is called "Totally missing the point"
And why would Serbia decide either West or East? Why the word has to remain so polarized? Each country must have a choice for their sovereignty.
It doesn't. But Russia chose to be a terror state.
hush guy! Don't commit a thought crime. Such profound questions that can stimulate the mind and thinking are strictly prohibited in the West and are punishable by strict ostracism!
Stimt
not quite true. in here you have a lot of different interest spheres meddling. people per se want to be a part of EU because we are part of Europe. but they are literally holding us down with Kosovo. as long as its "independent" every so often, someone, and by someone i mean greater powers, will use it a bargaining chip. i had an idea for them to declare local autonomy, so we can all apply for EU without problems related to borders or whatever. but, as usual, the world wont be satisfied untill they completely destroy us. i cant speak for Schiptares, but i bet they would want something similar. after all, EU has no borders, so no problems there either. and maybe just maybe God damn world would stop exploating this poor region and people who try to live here. let me make this simplier...i like Russians, kindred. but our geopolitical and geographical space is in Europe. so im against going to briks. of course corrupted politicians have a lot to do with everything. imagine being held on standby and living like an animal for ages just because someone decided this is piece of land for tossing around. God forbids people here actually have a normal and decent life, at least couple of generations.
That apply for Ukraine but not for Serbia, somebody say is double standard.
USA can take part of Serbia and declare independence (Kosovo)
but when Russia do same thing in Ukraine....
Common,for us bought side is ugly, we want stand neutral like Swcerland...way not?
Thay kill us, unlish Muslims country, albanian and bosnians again on us. We are fight and again what gonna be different from Israel defend from Muslims who surrendered tham like Serbian are?
Honestly being from the west and therefor pro-west, I am very impressed how Serbia manages to play on all sides. It is like dancing on a knifes blade with no room for fumble, but I dont think anyone is cabable of doing that kind of dance. Right man right place I guess
It's probably because they basically don't border any dangerous powers. The West is powerful, but it never actually invades you so long as you only annoy them a lot. And being more distant from the autocratic powers, they probably can just get away ignoring them thus when ever they don't like the deal.
In which case rather then dancing on the knifes blade, it's more like easy mode and if they ever faced real adversity it might all come tumbling down.
Only reason Serbia can do this is because Serbia and Balkan in general are not important to east or west. EU really ignores a lot of things that Serbia does. Goverment is quite autocratic, media is preaty much state controled, mafia is intermingled with everything. Serbian politicians destabilase all countries with a lot of serbs (Bosnia and Hercegovina, Kosovo, Montenegro).
Finally someone who sees that. Thanks.
They do well playing on both sides. They are one of the poorest countries in Europe, they lost part of their territory (Kosovo), young people leave the country en masse and flee to the west...
In a way yes, but that dancing act is holding Serbia back, after all, Serbia is in one of the best positions to join the EU and probably could have been a member by now, so that dancing act is holding back the economy, after all, Serbia is one of the poorest countries in Europe, that balancing act of playing all sides also means Serbia is being used by many of these sides for political gains.
Either way, the eastern EU countries and countries that want to join the EU will likely pull ahead of countries that play games.
So no, Serbia isn't playing this game smart, they are playing themselves, thinking they are playing the others, after all, China and Russia are using them to score points against the west, the US likely doesn't care about Serbia, but the EU, if Serbia becomes a member, would propel its economy that would have a big impact on living standards for all its citizens, so the one that's being played here is Serbia and I wonder how long it will take before they realise that, probably as other countries join the EU and there economy develops faster, or as the eastern EU countries continue to pull away from them in economic development.
Serbia has no choice but West for long term unless there's a breakdown in Europe that reshuffles power. When you have no access to sea and your neighbours are NATO, EU or both you have to play by their rules. They'd definitely prefer East though.
In addition, it is much more profitable to receive aid from the West than the axis of evil.
We don't prefer BRICS at all, I'd say most people would like to join EU yet mantain relations to Russia. That's what Vucic is doing, and that's why he is so popular despite being so corrupt.
@@themightyjugwe don’t prefer the EU at all lol. Russia all the way 🇷🇺🇷🇸
@@user-tj2dj7vq2xyou can prefer Russia all you like, but unfortunately if you want long term stability, it makes more sense for you to shift further west. Most countries that surrounds you is practically western, why deviate from that and cause issues especially when you’re landlocked
@@bababababababa6124 why side with the ones who killed our children? Meanwhile Russia has always helped us
Majority of Serbian people want to be neutral don’t want be with any military alliance and to be a bridge between east and west, we want to cooperate with all countries in the world and we want to mind our own business, we don’t want to impose sanctions against anyone and we hope that no one imposes sanctions against us because we had the worst sanctions ever in the 90tis which totally destroyed our economy. We want to be members of EU but not if the conditions are to recognize our southern breakaway province Kosovo and Metohija as a independent country and not if the conditions are to impose sanctions against Russia if those are the conditions then thanks but no thanks.
Interesting comment! Are you saying this as a Serb ? Just asking
BLAH BLAH!!
@@boki4258 Coming from a multicultural background, and from that area, I am confirming the above statement.
@@anastan835 oh ok.Thanks 👍
Unfortunately it’s not what citizens want because there’s so many different views and wants. Hence the powerful ultra rich have decided they will take over the entire world governments and just tell them what they want. So sorry that you still believe you have democracies just because you march and tick a box on a piece of paper every now and then. Read Hidden History and gain understanding
Why must a country "choose" between east and west? Why can't it have good relations with both?
Exactly!
It's just not possible
They can try, but neither side wants it, obviously.
@@ZossnnoKbut it was possible for Ukraine to join Nato even tho Russia and NATO agreed like 30 years ago that NATO won't be expanding to the east? I mean, its kinda similar.. why double standards
Bipolarism is rebirthing in EU-USA (West) and China,Russia, etc (East)
Its because free countries can have their own foreign policies. They don't need to pick a Superpower to tell them whom to hate
Exactly, i dont support anybody's wet dreams. West is not without flaws, and they are not small ones.
Serbia is not a free country haha. Serbia is run a by a nationalist, populist dictator that dances to Russia tune, and swindles EU for money because it is too poor to play these games by itself, subjugates its people, beats up free press and owns the rest of the media.
If being in Sebia means being free, I would much rather be unfree. xD
Serbia definitely is not a free country. It is more like a colony of the West.
Vucic is dictator
@@nothing-iz3vu Sure, west loves "their own" dictators.
I am a italian citizen, with slovene blood. The last Balkan leader that played both East and West was Tito.
Don’t forget the one that rejected both east and west enver hoxha
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Tito was a scumbag
Do you want to be a citizen or a peasant? That is the question I ask of people who can't decide between a democratic republic or a strongman government? If you like the decisiveness of a strongman government, then you want to be a peasant with no civil rights, you don't want the strongman to worry about your vote, as that is such an inconvenience when he is making decisions about whether to go to war or have peace! Italy has its own history with such strongmen. The question I ask is do you want the government to serve you, or do you want it to serve itself?
People in government, like Putin, want more power, if they are absolute ruler of a given country, they are still limited by that country's resources, even if they have no opposition in that country, in order to have more power, they have to go to war and conquer more people, they don't care about you in pursuing this objective, as far as they are concerned, you are only a tool they can use and expend to achieve what they want, they will draft you and send you off to war to achieve their military objectives, they don't care if you get killed just so you achieve their objective and take some land!
There is a movie out called Napoleon, Napoleon was the absolute ruler of France, but France was not enough, he wanted to be "Emperor or Europe", he wanted to be the new "Caesar", he wanted his empire and his place in the history books, and the French people were just his pawns to sacrifice in the giant chess board he called Europe. Napoleon wanted to win, and the people were his tools to achieve that victory! There is nothing admirable about Napoleon, he was a leader of the French Revolution and he turned it into an expedition to glorify himself by building an Empire, French people who thought they were fighting for their own freedom from tyranny ended up fighting to build Napoleon's empire instead!
People like Putin, and Hitler want to do Napoleon one better, they think they are smarter than Napoleon, they admire him, but they think they can point to the mistake he had made, and they can convince themselves that if they can only avoid that one mistake Napoleon made, they can accomplish what he achieve and yet not suffer his downfall, this is what I call Napoleonism, and it is a common affliction of many national leaders who are voted into office, and they find ways to remain in office by neutralizing public opinion so that it is no longer a threat to him. If you support a leader that wants to be Napoleon, you may find yourself in the trenches fighting and sacrificing you life to build his empire while he sits comfortable in some distant palace playing chess and admiring his own brilliance!
I get that you are trying to use unbiased language, but make no mistake, there is noting "perceived" about his corruption and autocratic tendencies. They are very, very real!
And it's still going to take a fucking miracle for him to lose.
are you talking about the opposition leaders in serbia?
@@ivopatiera8427 what I mean by that is that there is a pretty small chance for the opposition to win in the elections, unfortunately...
@@ivopatiera8427 I can name exactly zero of them and I live in Serbia.
Makes me wonder about the validity of other TLDR reports... They overlooked the most essential part of the situation in Serbia. Probably do the same thing with other reports...
Seselj literally played with whole Hague and they couldnt even sue him!
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@@klimentantonov1591 We love you brothers Bulgarians!!!!
Why do you think Serbia should choose between east and west? It should stay neutral and care about its interest , for a change.
Isn't that how they've been operating already for much of their history? Has their been any prolonged period in the last century or two when they weren't keeping their own interest in mind?
@@Quickshot0 Not a prolonged period. It just seems like most people in the comments are desperately trying to force it to make a decision
@@excentrik5725 Depending on how something is worded, people can start thinking in camps, groups, etc... or not.
As such in reality a choice doesn't have to be made. Though playing neutral, just like leaning the one or other way is a choice and has its costs and consequences.
But it's a choice that Serbia or the ones at the top there can make. The West certainly won't gainsay them that, even if NATO pretty much surrounds Serbia. Unlike the authoritarians they give far more latitude in doing as one wants after all.
I guess we'll see how it all works out in the end though.
My brother in Christ, this balancing act is exactly what Vučić and all those before him were doing, and look where it has gotten us...
@@Quickshot0 No, this is not how they've been operating for much of their history. It's quite the opposite. In both WWI and WWII they were the bravest of allies and possibly the only people in Europe who took to the streets to protest against their government for signing a pact with Hitler. That's why Belgrade was bombed on April 6, 1941. The king had abdicated and left the country while a partisan war against the enemy was carried out in the streets, later also to actively defend and hide the Jews (Germans told me that). Serbian, Jewish and Romani people together were victims of the Holocaust and imprisoned in Jasenovac. Later on, Serbian (Yugoslavian) towns were bombed by the allies, targeting enemy troops and vehicles, with lots of civilian casualties. So, no, history is not black and white, Yugoslavia was a country of brave people proud of their history.
They decided, west money and east values.
They have no values, they couldn’t even take Kosovo they lost the war and can’t accept it
This was what I thought too. A western style economy bc they want that western money but they want that eastern Russian style goverment.
Pretty much they want money but w/out liberties, Freedom and individual rights.
The easts values are just as bad as the wests modern values. Should choose traditional Christian values.
@@DennisTheInternationalMenace we do have the last part you said.
We don't want either Eastern or Western values, we have our own values. The so-called western values are not European but American and eastern is a much broader term, whether we mean Eastern Europe or Asia. We are at the crossroads of southern, central and eastern Europe. We want to be sovereign both politically and economically and in terms of our values and to cooperate with all those who are our geopolitical friends.
I dont like Vučić, but how is following your country's 2006 constitution "stoking regional tensions"?
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It would be the same as the Spanish President saying Catalan is part of Spain and calling it stoking tensions
as usual, western propaganda.
Nobody cares about the fantasies we put in our constitution, we need to realize this.
Serbia dont need to decide anything... We see that , example Albania joins NATO pact -So they choose West, and why then they are not in EU? Why Germany America England and France dont build factorys to provide jobs for people on selfproclame state of Kosovo that is their project? Why they dont help people there, when they have such a trust in them?
Exactly *imperialism* yesterday-today-tomorrow, with the "democratic clothes"
Kosovo is a drog center of europe,and america want a armz base there,thez dont care abpout the siptars at all.And Kosovo will bee liberate from america,and albanians terrorists,werry soon.
Vucic next to Putin makes Putin look even smaller than he is. Got a good chuckle out of me.
I'm pretty sure that he's the tallest current president
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Do not compare that corrupt idiot Vucic with a great leader that Putin is. Buy the way Vucic is very unpopular with majority of Serbs, especially those who are well educated. He wins the elections by falsifying results! Such a pathetic loser., he will not last much longer.
He's 1 cm from being 2 meters, he's taller than MOST people.
1:43 lol at the pronunciation
It's pronounced " Voyislav Sheshel' "
Also, there used to be a president between Boris Tadić and Vučić; Tomislav Nikolić, the founder of the Serbian Progressive Party, was president from 2012 until 2017, while Vučić was his prime minister.
Why does Serbia need to choose?
Srbija nece da bira niti ce ikad uci u ato savez a Evropa vise nije interesantna postala je kolonija SAD a srbi hoce da budu slobodni a ne Brisel da odredjuje sta da radi mi pamtimo i nosimo zaboravili sta je Sad i Evropa uradela srbiji 1999 g niti ce zaboraviti a rusi su nama prirodni saveznici pravoslavci
Serbian people will never be able to get over the fact that NATO and EU bombed their country because it was trying to prevent a part of its territory to break away. Later they also supported the unlawful, unilateral independence declared by Kosovo. If the West is representing democracy and rule of law, then there must've been a different solution rather than using force and not caring about the international law and the Constitution of a sovereign country. This is why I think Serbia will never join NATO and EU.
NATO bombed Serbia because they were indiscriminately slaughtering what was nominally their own populace.
his territiry lol wake up >>> which language has been present in the balkans for longer, the answer is definitively Albanian. Albanians and their ancestors, the Dardanian tribe of Illyrians, have been in the balkans since before the Romans, whereas the Serbs (and other south Slavs) have only been in the area since about the 500-600s.
@@UKisFK👎
Whomever still believes there's democracy and rule of law in the west is severely delusional.
you aint part of illyrians. You are just a leftover from the ottomans empire@@UKisFK
I drove through Bulgaria, Serbia and Romania this summer and I can say that in every aspect Serbia is more developed (what you can see with the eye) than these other two EU countries. And don't forget how Serbia fought with covid, a positive example of not panic and professionalism .
Let's hope that they will soon have a more successful political opposition, because the rule of one party for a long time always leads to corruption and nepotism.
Well, pretty useless considering that the GDP per capita is higher in both Bulgaria and Romania. Economic performance is not measured "by the eye".
Corruption and nepotism in 100% have been around since the first day of his tenure in 2012, and it was strong even before that.
Homie needs a new pair of eyes 💀
Bulgaria literally looks like a shit hole compared to Serbia@@hristostoynov4213
Have you been in Transylvania?
You made a factual mistake in your video. Šešelj is not a convicted war criminal. The court did not find him guilty on any of the points and on them, he was released. He was then sentenced for disrespecting the court and some other technicalities. But he wasn't convicted on any accounts of war crimes. I am not arguing if he is guilty or not, just that he wasn't actually convicted - court declared the he NOT GUILTY on those accusations.
On 31 March 2016, the ICTY found Šešelj not guilty on all charges, with a majority decision on eight counts and a unanimous decision on one.
The acquittal was appealed by prosecutors from the MICT, a United Nations Security Council agency which functions as oversight program of, and successor entity to, the ICTY.
On 11 April 2018, the Appeals Chamber sentenced him to 10 years in prison under Counts 1, 10, and 11 of the indictment for instigating deportation, persecution (forcible displacement), and other inhumane acts (forcible transfer) as crimes against humanity due to his speech in Hrtkovci on 6 May 1992, in which he called for the expulsion of Croats from Vojvodina.
@@vilena5308 Yup, just as I said, not sentenced as a war criminal. They sentenced him for a single speech he made, and the sentence rendered was equal to the time he actually spent in court (otherwise they would have to pay him a LOT of money), so he was released effective immediately.
But he was never sentenced for any war crimes, and therefore he cannot be a "sentenced war criminal".
He is one vile mother *ucker, who should be found guilty on MANY accounts, but he is not and let's keep it factual.
great video, do more
Can we talk about the thumbnail though? It’s brilliant 😂
My grandfather went to Yugoslavia in the 80s, and he appreciated Yugoslavia as a good and promising country, a teacher and model for China's reform. In fact, China's economic system reform refers to a lot of experience from Yugoslavia. As a Chinese, I firmly believe that Kosovo belongs to Serbia, and will never forget how NATO "mistakenly" blew up the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.
Allegedly "mistakenly". In truth who knows?
you should tell your granfather this story to understand real history >>> Albanians and their ancestors, the Dardanian tribe of Illyrians, have been in the balkans since before the Romans, whereas the Serbs (and other south Slavs) have only been in the area since about the 500-600s.
@@UKisFKChina has one of the oldest civilizations on earth.. you want to teach them history?
is about balkan not china, maybe u dont know china is not in balkan @@depechemoto
@@UKisFK I know where the Balkans are. You are the one suggesting that the Chinese don't understand history..
Serbian people decided 1999, but West don't know that yet.
If the issue of Kosovo gets settled non-violently, many other aspects of the region will improve.
How will that happen when nato and the eu give the albanians everything they want ?
@@bilic8094Then Albanian Empire will rise and cover everything from Iberia to China
But Albanians good people thy will give some land back so that we can achieve world peace
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I am from Serbia and I will try to explain why we must seat on both chairs.
If we cut cooperation with West (Eu and Usa) then we will suffer with:
Economic collapse
Sanctions
Chaos and political instability
Travels to Eu with Visas
In one word, we will go back in 90s and Milosevic era
If we cut cooperation with East (Russia abd China) then we will suffer with:
Energy collapse
We will loose veto voice from Russia and China in UN and support in other organizations (Unesco, Oebs)
No more investments from China (heavy industry, roads, infrastructure etc.)
Turning back to Russia will result chaos and riots on the streets, goverment fall will be instantly
Now you can see that this kind of politics is the only one if we want to survive in this world. Why should we making enemies when we can use benefits from both sides?
Why would you want investments from china in your critical infrastructure and industry? We don't know how this may go in the future, but the assumption in the west is that china will want something in return sooner or later, and it may not be only their invested money. All this while you guys are surrounded by the west that is neutral at best and opposed to china at worst. So what's the point? EU can do similar investments, and in worst case scenario also expect different types of return, but at least you are in line with countries around you, instead of some country on the other side of the globe. Maybe I'm missing something?
This also leads me to a question why do you need russia and china in the UN? Why not US and EU countries?
Because Us and Eu want independent Kosovo. As long as Russia and China are on our side, Kosovo will be never member of UN. China has their own Kosovo - Taiwan. If they support independent Kosovo, they will shoot in their leg. As same as Spain and Cyprus in Eu.
About China's investments - our steel factory was in hands of US Steel. After couple of years, they went out from Serbia and sold company for 1$. Nobody wanted it, because it had huge depths. Then came Chinesse, took it, made necessery investments and put the factory back in business. The same was with copper and gold mine, just it was previously in state hands. Both companies are now the biggest exports in Serbia. Why Chinesse build are highways and railways? Because their Exim bank give us 2% loan and Eu ans Us proposal was 6 or 7%. They build it in Eu standard and respecting Eu laws. Why we use Russian gas? Because we pay 400$ for 1000 cubics and Eu 4 or 5 times higher. When we made sanctions to Russia, we will pay that price and that's to high for our budget. Ironicly, 67% of all Western Balkans investments are in Serbia mostly from that Eu companies that want cheap gas. As you can see, everything is tight connected so you can't breake those connections so easily.
Dude, even Croatia has China building its roads and bridges and they are in EU. Latest project was their multi billion bridge connecting Croatias two parts in south. I don't think Denmark or Sweden has the power to come and build it like they can. China even builds infrastructure and factories here in Sweden where i live.. @@2727daqwid
"Turning back to Russia will result chaos and riots on the streets, goverment fall will be instantly"
yeah, i bet this is absolutely not connected to any gasprom or russian money or any political parties
@@2727daqwid cause usa and eu had a decade of time to do that but they didnt. In fact everything was blackmale from their side. We will help just enough to survive but that is it. You just have to do this one thing, and after that another, and another and another...and in the end it has come down to recognising Kosovo and Metohija, which is simply something that is not going to happened. I mean we are now stuck on that but after that i am pretty sure more demands will follow. But lucky for us there isnt a single politician ready to do so cause blood will hit the streets. And that person and his family will not be sure anywhere. Joining of Nato is simpy not a question here cause after all this decades and numerous fools here paid to promote them some 85+ % of people are against. As for Kosovo and Metohija we have to be quiet for now but once we get our chance you know the outcome. And that will never change. Anyhow we are simpy sick with all the demands and me personaly when i hear these eu and usa fools which come here and say to us you have to impose sanctions on Russia and Ukraine territorial integrity, and international laws, and this are the same morons which boombed us in 1999. and took part of our country. I mean are you just that stupped or you simpy just dont give a f. Support for joining eu has droped so low now like never before and has no more majority. Just because of this double standards. People have simpy had enough
No EU No Nato. Love from Serbia 🇷🇸
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A zasto ti je onda na vlasti onaj koji se, navodno, zalaze za EU?
The price for Serbia to join EU is to recognize Kosovo.
Kosovo is 16 % of our land.
Our land and our history is much more important to us than EU.
EU means nothing to us.
We would never fight and suffer for EU.
Kosovo is already lost, genius. You don't have it!!!! 🤩🤩
@@anonymous-hz2un I don't think so.
Over 90% of Kosovo’s population are Albanians hostile to Serbia. You don’t really do anything about them let alone trying to get a Serbian majority over there. What exactly do you want from Kosovo anymore??? What are your plans with them?
@@crsx1861 That is Serbian territory.
Albanians are separatists.That means they are taking something from Serbia, while Serbia is defending itself.
Catalans also don't want to live in Spain but Spain is not giving them independence.Why?
Are you familiar with 2017 independence referendum in Catalonia?
@@milostomic8539 the albanians of Kosovo had given blood, sweat and tears in their struggle for liberty against the serbian chauvinists. There's no comparison between them and the catalans 😉
Thank you TLDR for covering us, this government is not more or less autocratic that these in the Eastern hemisphere.
KOSOVO JE SERBIJA
MAKEDONJA JE BULGARSKA
BG❤❤❤RS
Nah, we are far way better from those countries, in democratic terms
@@klimentantonov1591and Republic of Srpska is Serbia
With Vuci, Serbia has risen to:
Number two in europe for Organised Crime after Russia.
Number one for Violence Against Women.
One of the most radicalised and chouvanist societies.
Run by a mafia Orthodox Church & threatening neighbours religious societies.
Hated by all its neighbours.
Destabilising politics against neighbours programs (since 1878 massacres sponsored by Russia).
Cowards who've been commiting massacres, genocide & ethnic cleansing to peoples with no armies.
Bullies, zombies and manipulators who live on false propaganda and lies.
They killed six of their own teenage citizens in Panda Bar Massacre to blame Albanians for it and fuel the war.
The list goes on for these women beaters and cowards as they're known in the Balkans.
Nope serbs just vote for him like me becouse he did and is doing good things for serbia.
in an ideal world they don't have to decide. Serbia can choose Serbia.
Logically, I think Serbia will join the EU but not NATO. They'll join the EU for the economic benefit, but historically since Yugoslavia times (which Serbia was the dominant entity in Yugoslavia) Serbia has been militarily neutral.
similar in a way to Ireland ... they like the EU but for historical reasons they dislike NATO
EU countries have a defence pact beyond NATO.
I hope this will happen. Unless NATO gets reformed to a defensive alliance or starts truly expanding Democracy and freedom and not exploitation, this is the best option we have.
@@themightyjug that is what NATO is... a defensive alliance that is defending freedom (although historically it did allow dictatorships to join as long as they were not communist)
no country has ever been compelled to join , and the alliance itself is defensive in nature , if it was an offensive alliance then why dont all member states join in when one country starts a war ?
and finally exploitation? where is NATO itself exploitating anyone (and im not talking about a specific member state having exploitative behaviour , i mean the actual organisation)
Note that I am from Greece , a NATO member country that has a lot of criticism for NATO's approach towards Turkey's 1974 invasion of Cyprus , their inaction over what is happening in the last few years in Armenia , its not like they are saints , there is legitimate criticism againt NATO , but dismissing the WHOLE alliance as a whole as exploitative and denying its defensive nature is counter-productive
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If you looked at the history, Serbia has thrived when there were 2 or more great powers competing in the neighborhood that Serbia could balance between.
Rome vs Constantinople, Hungary vs Ottomans, Austria vs Ottomans, Austria vs Russia, NATO vs USSR. When one power becomes overwhelmingly dominant in the Balkans Serbia gets wiped off the map. So Vučić is playing the old game, but unfortunately for him Russia and China are far away and EU is NATO's playground.
Who said that Russia is far away? In 2024. Serbia will have direct water path to Russia over Danube. That's why Europe wants to conclude Kosovo recognition by Serbia ASAP. No one in Serbia with more than two brain cells don't believe in any "European path of Serbia". 80% of Serbian population is against sanction to Russia and China. Automatically that is end for Serbian "European dream" . And investment in Serbia is big lie! European companies have for every 1$ of investment in Serbia return of 3 $ and when they don't get that proportion they take all and leave Serbia ! Lets be honest Serbia is occupied country, by west !
You should stop thinking in a cold-war mindset.
Doesn't work anymore.
Tačno. Tako smo pozicionirani pravo u sredini Evrope da nam je jedini izbor uvek bio da sedimo na obe stolice. Al nam je sad pametnije da se približimo Evropskoj Uniji jer smo opkoljeni sa bukvalno svih strana od njih i njihovih saradnika. Ionako nam Rusi i Kinezi ni znače toliko puno - Putin se samo trudi da što više izvuče iz onoga što mu je ostalo u Srbiji, a Kina nas gleda kao ekonomsku koloniju
That's a remarkably wrong view of history
Do elaborate.
I think Serbia has the right idea that strategic partnerships in certain areas are needed between East and West. I think Russia has missed an opportunity in having more cordial relationships with the Eastern block than use the USSR mentality of Master and subjugated.
I can imagine some Japanese person walking up to a Russia and laughing his head off when the Russian claims to be Eastern, the Jap guy says, "Hey round-eyes, have a look at yourself in the mirror!"
Russia miss that ship when they invaded own neighbors. But they could form decent relations with West European countries. What shot them in the foot is that they still stuck in master and slave mentality. So they bait the hand.
Serbia is playing both sides only because of hope of being the master of Kosova, Bosnia and other parts of ex Yugoslavia .
Of the opportunity presented itself, they will shamelessly , openly, massacre them/us .
They did it several times in the past and they'd do it again if the west were to lose it's position in the world stage .
Serbs are much more aggressive than Russians .
I know many Russians that are stuck under Putin .
But in Serbia Vucic is fought against for not being Putin enough.
There is only one master currently and that is US. Russia simply refused to be the slave. But you've been told otherwise all your life, and you won't consider it necessary to study this issue on your own outside of the popular media narrative.
@@EG_John You skip the game for muli-polar world. With new master rising in form of China and they slaves in form of Iran, North Korea and Russia. Russia chose to not become a free, as they serf mentality can't comprehend that someone can rule with respect, instead the threats. Slaves can't understand how Liberal West work.
I'd prefer to stay neutral - perhaps leaning East solely due to Kosovo. Recognizing the terrorist government in occupied Kosovo is too high a price for EU accession.
True, i still can't believe that EU recognised literally Mafia state...on the other hand they had recognised a guy who selfdeclared himself for president of Venezuela and now again consider Maduro as a president...western politicians are bunch of clowns
@@Besthinktwice The West has been touchy over genocide matters since WW2 and after the entire Yugoslav breakup issue, they didn't like how the Kosovo matter was developing.
Doesn't mean the West really knows how to deal with the matter further though, what with none of the sides being that fantastic on actual resolving of the matter.
And thus it just drags on and on, with the West kind of hoping I guess that eventually some one makes an actual suggestion that could work on how to resolve the matter so they can finally just leave.
I don't want Kosovo. Most people don't want Kosovo. Go live in Kosovo if you love it so much.
@djdjukic You're saying what many Serbs would like to say but simply don't have the guts to say ( or they're too stupid & politically mind-f****d ). Kudos to you.
so if you love kosovo so much way you treat kosovo serbs so bad? you call tham izbeglica you block serbs from kosovo to travel free in EU just coz they are serbs from Kosovo, if u love kosovo way you treat kosovo serbs like they are second citzen ? Kosovo serbs they get treat better by albanians than serbs from serbia, even Serbs from Kosovo they dont want serbian gov to deal with
It is simple, what is Russia doing now to Ukraine that same thing West did to Serbia in 1999. But it was far worse for us because Ukraine receive big amount of help, we were helpless. West who violently took Kosovo from us is forcing us to go to Russia and China
West did that to Ukraine not Russia.
What are you watching.
They just admitted that
No, Russia is doing to Ukraine what Serbia did to Bosnia.
@@estasquecrujes not rly tho serbia never joined in bosnia war it was serbians in bosnia that fought the war which amounts to what was happening in eastern ukraine before russia joined i guess except war in bosnia was much more equal and eastern ukraine has basically been under siege from ukraine the entire time so its not even close
Why do people outside of Serbia ever try to cover or comment Serbian politics. Like shit's so useless it might aswell not exist. For a starter Vucic didn't step down as the leader of SNS because of the unrest among civilian population but because the constitution doesn't allow him to be an active president and a party leader. Given that he did this just a few days ago that means that he was in constant violation of the constitution ever since he came to power. Secondly he didn't perfect jack shit, let alone a balancing act between east and west. The only thing he perfected was the act of corruption, media manipulation etc. We had the elections yesterday and one of my distant friends said that he voted for SNS, former Vucic party. When I asked him why he replied that his aunt got a job because she was a low tier member of the party. Let that fucking sink in...Imagine having to vote for a certain party just because you aunt happens to land a job with their help. And ofcourse this isn't only limited to one vote. That same aunt has a mother and a father. She probably also has kids. She might have some brothers and sisters. Her brothers and sisters might have some kids who have a right to vote. And the crazy thing is they are ALL OBLIGATED to vote for SNS...Just leave the Balkans alone, don't try to report on stuff you can't understand.
Anyone who wants to do business, enter into a bi-lateral partnership with Serbia or any sort of co-operation we are more then open to it and welcome it, no matter which country is on the other side of the proposal.
BUT, when we get into blackmail type of relations, threats, conditional benefits for us and unconditional for the other side, then we have a serious problem...
We are a sovereign nation and we will not be dictated to on what we 'must do', 'have to accept', ' must agree to' etc...To us, that is beyond unacceptable! If China is offering the best and fairest deals, that are not tied with 'you must do x' strings, then we will do business and partner with China, its that simple.
When China proposes anything to Serbia, it does not come alongside; 'You must accept that Kosovo is not serbian territory' ' You must adopt this ideology' 'You must teach this in your schools' 'You must promote this and not that...' China does not talk like that, while the U.S., Germany, UK, France do talk to us in that tone every single time!
Wow, I wonder why the serbian people like China, Russia, India etc... better then the western imperialist thieves and murderers. What an unsolvable conundrum.
you want the EU, but you don't want the rules, well that's not how it works, go with Russia then if you want, you don't get to make the rules that you like, that's how it is
@@danielzhang1916 Slow down there EU fascist.
EU is a facist, communist, totalitarian organisation, EU does NOT = Europe. We are very open towards everyone and want to do business and collaborate with all European nations on a co-operative, bilateral basis, not on the basis of the EU which is; Brussels (which in reality is USA) dictates what the occupied banana republics, so called 'member states' will do, what they are to think, what they have to act on, whom they can be friendly with vs whom they cant be friendly with, what foreign policies they will have, whom they will impose sanctions on, whom they wont impose sanctions on, what military alliances they can and cant join etc...That is an imperialist, fascist, communist totalitarian rule, which is exactly what the EU is.
Serbia is a sovereign nation and its people want no part of the totalitarian 4th Reich (EU).
@@danielzhang1916Who says that we want the EU? Most of the Serbs couldn't care less about the EU. It's an irrelevant organisation that used to be somewhat relevant and prosperous like 15 years ago, but today it's nothing more than a pathetic lapdog of the United States.
The collapse of Yugoslavia can primarily be laid at the feet of the majority-Serb government after Tito's death. Serbia can continue to rant that other people stole their land, but it was the Serbian government itself that violently oppressed and alienated the vast majority of its populace to the point that they launched simultaneous armed uprisings.
China owns us now, you can already see the results, pollution being the most visible one
The way he said Vojislav Šešelj, at least he tried
1:43 Butchered that name😂😂
I do not see any need for Serbia to join NATO, they are protected from the east by NATO countries . Joining the EU will eventually happen when emotions will be overtaken by rationality. Only that by then they will have lost many years in the competitiveness race. Wishing them peace and prosperity from Romania!
You like your slavemaster the EU?
Because it is NOT IMPORTANT!!!!!
So its not enough to be good with west, but you must do whatever they say?
Hungary already decided this question. East!
Serbs, choose only SERBIA, that country is so small, but the people are so magnificent.
Our tradition, our centuries-old cultural heritage, is worth much more than many can imagine !
@@saccount-z3 Ispljuni to spolovilo koje balavis, bice mesta za jos nesto.
Serbia❤
Politician and ✨war criminal✨
Here are some facts:
1. Serbia doesn't really want to join EU
2. EU doesn't really want Serbia in EU
3. Russia is just using Serbia as a pawn and is not really ally of Serbia
4. Serbia is not really friend of Russia that is the narrative here for pro Russian voters that we are best friends and stuff. Russia cannot help itself , and it is too far from Serbia. We know that.
5. The only real player here is the China. They have the army and money. China is building roads here, selling military equipment, there are police stations with Chinese policemen in Serbia, they are buying factories and putting us in huge debt.
6. Vucic power come from playing on all sides. He gave possibility for criminals and all powers , regional and global ,to get peace of cake here. Got dirty money need laundering? Great, go to Serbia , give Vucic some money and he will allow you to build buildings, roads, bridges, no problem. He is bribing everyone, including people of Serbia with helicopter money. Size of criminal activity and corruption here is unbelievable, they are not even trying to hide it it is in plain sight and nobody cares because he controls all the media in Serbia.
Serbia doesn't have a choice but to join the EU, even if they don't like everyone in it
With Vuci, Serbia has risen to:
Number two in europe for Organised Crime after Russia.
Number one for Violence Against Women.
One of the most radicalised and chouvanist societies.
Run by a mafia Orthodox Church & threatening neighbours religious societies.
Hated by all its neighbours.
Destabilising politics against neighbours programs (since 1878 massacres sponsored by Russia).
Cowards who've been commiting massacres, genocide & ethnic cleansing to peoples with no armies.
Bullies, zombies and manipulators who live on false propaganda and lies.
They killed six of their own teenage citizens in Panda Bar Massacre to blame Albanians for it and fuel the war.
The list goes on for these women beaters and cowards as they're known in the Balkans.
@@thematthew761 Vucic knows there won't be any expanding of EU in the near future so he doesn't really care about reforms. Look at North Macedonia, and Montenegro, one even changed it country name, they both entered in Nato, but they can't join EU. EU is tolerating him only because he slowly delivers Kosovo independence, step by step. In Serbia he is portrayed as savior of Kosovo in Serbia, but in reality he is slowly boosting Kosovo independence. Only control Serbia has left in Kosovo is education and healthcare in northern Kosovo, he gave away everything else to Albanians. China is useful for Vucic because they don't care about how the money is spent, their companies will do the construction, Vucic will get his share by boosting project price and his companies will be subcontractors for Chinese companies. So if highway cost like 1 billion euros, they will make it cost 1.5 billion dollars, 1 billion will be spent on construction while the rest will end in Vucic pocket, and people of Serbia will be left with debt. Don't be fooled ether buy investors from UAE who are building Belgrade waterfront, they are portraying it as investment from UAE but the scam goes something like this. You get an eye for something valuable in possession of state of Serbia, then you go and find some idiot in UAE who create company on their name and you get your dirty money you stole from Serbia and put in bank account of that company. Then Vucic show on TV and says to people that there is this great investor from UAE who is willing to invest his money in thing they want to steal from Serbian people and that we should sell it for a cheaper price and that investor will invest much more money to develop that estate. Vucic is worse then the devil, he is having a team of people including Tony Blair, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Gerhard Schröder and many others including some top experts for psychology and marketing so he is constantly listening of pulse of people and adjusting his manipulation and zombification of people of Serbia. If you lived in Serbia for a month your brain would be fried if you read newspapers and watched TV. There are constant political talk shows where every Vucic move is portrayed as genius and greatest in history, that show last for about half a day on almost every tv station with national frequency, and in the mean time after you pause from watching News and Talk shows there are Reality tv shows full of whores, ex prisoners, and turbo folk singers. Newspapers are the same stuff Vucic is great, what happened in reality tv and sports. We are living in Orwell 1984
Thank God, finaly someone with common sense.
Surova istina, definitivno nemamo sveznika koji bi zalegao za nas kako je Amerika stala iza šiptara, mislim da bi se gorko razočarali da otvoreno potražimo pomoć Rusije, ogolilo bi se da je ona samo na rečima i da nikad neće preći na dela, ali Republika Srpska je i gora od nas, nemaju radna mesta skoro uopšte samo pumpe, autoprevoznici, špedicije, nema fabrika ničega, ničega, sav narod pobegao u Sloveniju, Austriju i Nemačku.
Serbia has its own people, a party in power, a party sympathetic to the West and a party sympathetic to Russia. Also in a few days the elections. That Serbian people will choose what suits them best, and none of you can do anything to prevent it. And what the Serbian people choose is not your business or problem!!!
It is their money we live off of. Your arrogance is astounding.
BRO THE THUMBNAIL😂
1:43 not true
'West'' stole region of Kosovo (a region with a serbian name) from Serbia. Very simple
БЪЛГАРИ И СЪРБИ - ВЕЧНИ БРАТЯ ЗАВИНАГИ!!!!!!!!❣❣❣❣❣❣
KOSOVO JE SERBIJA
MAKEDONJA JE BULGARSKA
BG❤❤❤RS
To bratko!❤
Serbs don't like Bulgarians
@@saffy1997 Yes we do!
@@milanstanisic1939 Onda sam siguran da ti je cukundeda bio bogalj
Dunno where you gpt your info but a lot od this is plain wrong...
1:42 lol!
Serbian membership would be a disaster for the EU unless the unanimity rule goes and stronger penalties for authoritarian measures are in place. Even so Serbia w
Why should Serbia, or _any_ country for that matter, have to decide?
Thats simply how the world works. Powerblocks form, compete against each other, other countries either join one of the powerblocks or get in trouble. I dont like it but thats just how the world works. Unfortunately.
@@asdasdasddgdgdfgdgIs "the East" making Serbia decide? If not, this isn't just geopolitics, but something specific coming from the West
@@sasmiain3323 Of course, the East is also making Serbia decide.
@@sasmiain3323actually the east is making Serbia decide because it is the east that is cause for instability
@@mersifullwolf4054 Pretty sure it was the west that caused instability in the Balkans, and it happened because east was falling apart...
He looks like a taller Michael Gove
Serbia decided - her choice is neither east or west...her choice is - Serbia...what exactly EU gained by blindly obey to US directives for Ukraine?!
The mentality "You are with us or against us". Why would it be bad to have good relationships and to stay neutral?? Isnt EU an economic union and not a military alliance?
The EU also has military obligations to their members but diplomatically its better to ally fully to one side rather flipping like that
Because the world doesn't work like an elementary school playground.
When it comes to talking about entities and groups of people on an international and supranational level, it really is "you are either with us or ain't us".
EU is an "everything" union. Economic, military, social, cultural, agricultural and more. And despite some resistance from many sides, it's becoming ever closer.
the EU is an economic AND political union as welll as a military alliance. its about creating a international relationship that wont fall to war and internal conflict, and that can only be assured through the sharing of some basic laws and values.
БЪЛГАРИ И СЪРБИ - ВЕЧНИ БРАТЯ ЗАВИНАГИ!!!!!!!!❣❣❣❣❣❣
I love how many people think Serbs are just begging to join the EU and want it so, so much.
Most Serbs don't give two sh*ts about joining the EU anymore. In fact, the number of people who DO NOT want to join the EU is higher for the first time in ages than the number of people who do.
And the reason is simple: It's not due to threats and blackmail, or Kosovo, or even how dysfunctional and undemocratic EU actually is....
It's because we have finally realized we do not NEED to join EU to live a good life. As simple as that.
What are you talking about exactly? Serbians live good life in Germany these days. And more is comming. Programmers, doctors, medical staff, engeneers, anybody really who has any skill to sell. And you understood we don't need EU while the country lives off of EU funds.
Half accurate and very superficial. I didn't know that bombing and destroying a country was called a "campaign".
As a serb i can say the thumbnail is really funny
Love the thumbnail, so I hope the person who made it know
A country that tends to care about its own national interest and goals, instead om focusing on weak ideological diversity, and it's doing "ok".
What a noble concept indeed.
What Serbia is doing right now all European states did for majority of post WW2 20th century.
I Agree
That's the whole point.
That is something that leaves me appalled.
USA doesn't care about Russian restrictions and sanctions, however Europe does.
We are crippling ourselves to please the USA and that's so mor*nic if you ask me.
Every country should first and foremost think about their own population. Doesn't matter "nobility" in 2023 when you have the highest index of homelessness and unemployment. I'm Italian and over 2.000.000 kids under the years of 12 are currently living UNDER poverty (so not even on the level of poverty) and cannot afford educational material for school and their parents cannot afford three full meals per day.
Meanwhile we want to dictate geopolitics? What the H.
I am not justifying the war in Ukraine, mind you, however I do find it hypocritical that people push for freedom in Kosovo while negating the same in Donbas and Crimea and negating the same to Palestine.
I guess that's what we are in the end, hypocrities.
We love to make rules for thee but not make them apply for me!
@@clintwestwood3539 Its the USA. They are the ones who control the political and ideological narrative and propaganda in Europe. Europe didn't have much of an opinion about Kosovo until USA declared what that opinion is. EU countries don't have any interest in Kosovo whatsoever, but USA does. Same with middle east, the only ones who truly care about what happens there is USA and they care about their partner, Israel, the country that allows them to reach into the middle east and do whatever they want. Same with Donbas and Crimea. They don't want to give to Russia what they want, so they will gladly sacrifice whole Europe if needed just to show to Russia who is the boss. Serbia is suffering for not playing USA game, although we do have politicians who do listen from time to time their american bosses... Its just that there is a large part of population that is against USA dictating what we should do or not, so they have to move lightly. While in EU, its a little different, but the funny thing is that EU is also suffering, but for listening to USA. Basically whatever you do with that damn country you end up hurting yourself, its ridiculous. But i fear Russia is the same, and China is even worse, its just that they dont have that much influence in the west(for now), so we dont see it. Let them take the wheel and we might as well regret that as well. While there was always big super powers who wanted to control all the others, the reach that they have today thanks to the advancements in technology is INSANE and unfortunately no one is immune to propaganda, even if you try to be careful what information you read, you will end up being brainwashed one way or another. The one thing is for sure. EU could be way friendlier with Russia if it wasnt for USA. Unless Russia doesnt want to go full time insane and try to spread its borders, whole continent would have benefits. But as you said, first and foremost, each country should focus on their national interest. Its sad to hear about 2 million kids who are basically starving, never visited Italy, but i didnt know it was that bad. Hope that your people will start figuring out that they have been played, whole Europe needs to stop acting as a proxy of damn super powers, we always had enough of our own problems...
Why does it need to decide?
Money from East, money from West... 😂😂
Seselj may be many things, but he is not a convicted war criminal. He faced trial in the hague for years and was never convicted.
Resolution 1244 UN say Kosovo i Metohija is part of Serbia!!!
That thumbnail tho 💀
Serbs are free people they sre not nobodies puppets.Proud people independent full respect from Germany.Amazing people.❤❤
When it comes to trade, China's biggest partners in the west are the UK, germany and France, but no, we have to talk about Serbia!
Those countries aren’t in the belt and road nonsense
@@mersifullwolf4054 "The belt and road nonsense" is there to reach those countries, because they are China's biggest partner, you don't think "the belt and road nonsense" is there to reach Serbia, do you?
@@mentesIV no, the belt and road nonsense is a debt trap
@@mentesIV it’s a debt trap that increases their power and influence in Europe
@@mersifullwolf4054 DUDE We can say this for every international investment. So guess which nationalities are at the head of every "international" investment fund?!
Is China now trying to do what the French, Germans, British, Americans have been doing for centuries, OMG I am shocked(!)
Do you think the small countries are not aware of this? Do they think the Chinese give them money for free or something?
At least China, unlike the West, does not want to lend money to these corrupt little countries that it knows they will spend on nonsense and then charge them horrible interest rates that it knows they will not be able to repay.
Take the Republic of Côte d'Ivoire for example, where engineering know-how is almost non-existent. Look at China's offer to this country, "let us build your infrastructure, which is critical for the economy, and in return you give us your minerals, which you don't know how to extract and process, for 40 years"... I don't know about you, but this offer is far more humane, honest and good than what most western funders would do.
PS: I am a Turk, this is how France and England ruined the Ottoman Empire, they lent them money knowing that the corrupt sultan and the uneducated visionless people around him would waste the money, what do you think happened in the end? Is there still a place called Ottoman?
A false dilemma, also referred to as false dichotomy or false binary, is an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available
Why should they have to?
Serbia has to be with the West because of their investments. It must also be with the East because of their position on Kosovo.
East is investing in Serbia too, China alone is doing God's work.
@@clintwestwood3539The number of projects carried out by China in Serbia is 8.2% of all projects in the country. The value of these projects is 10.7% of all projects. These data are from June 2023.
@@Dansutra2804 Isn’t China building a railroad that goes from Shanghai (China) to Trieste (Italy) passing through Belgrade (Serbia)?
This alone is so important.
@@clintwestwood3539 I talked about investments in Serbia. China certainly has big projects, which no one can deny, but the fact is that Serbia receives most of the investments from the West.
@@Dansutra2804 I am too.
That railroad is an investment in Serbia to connect a railroad with Shangai and Italy so that resources go into Serbia.
President Zaia of regione Veneto (Italy) was in Serbia just last month for some investments in wine and grapes there because Serbia is one of the biggest producers of berries and grapes in Europe.
The railroad that goes into Trieste (Italy) will benefit their export.
Serbia is the only truly neutral country we have in Europe funnily enough considering they are the sole bridge between UE/USA and China/Russia. I hope they play on this, to their strengths, like Tito did once.
Tito was the most respected politician to ever be alive for this reason, his funeral attendances rate is a proof of this.
Serbia wants a western style economy w/a eastern (Russian) style goverment.
More like western style economy and freedoms, with Russian and Chinese traditional values. Nobody wants an autocratic leader.
Those 2 don’t mix well
No, Serbia wants for west to stop being hypocritical criminals and give us back our region that they stole in their illegal war against us. We want them to stop arming and funding terrorists, and drug cartels in the Balkans. We want them to also stop bribing and puppeting our politicians. We want them to stop destroying our economy so they can swoop in and take over our companies and resources for cheap.
Yeah I know that not gonna happen, but it would be nice.
БЪЛГАРИ И СЪРБИ - ВЕЧНИ БРАТЯ ЗАВИНАГИ!!!!!!!!❣❣❣❣❣❣
The president and boomers want that, all the youth is voting with their feet and already is in the eu
Ovako izgleda kada neko ko nema pojma o ostvarima o kojima govori izvrce istinu zbog propagande ,Sramota!
There is a option called NEUTRAL!
Easy, choose neither. Be neutral. Because the choice of going either West or East will simply divide people up. Because of the conveniences that either side has but with a few proviso's. So if Serbia wants to succeed, well independently build your economy work on that. And when you are in a powerful position you'll have a probability of choosing neither side because you've would of already established yourself. To promote everything and anything Serbia.
It will take time, the EU has learner there lessons with Poland and Hungary, the y now look sharper to the behaviour of Slavic states to joint EU not as a symbol of integrity but more as a business move. As long the Kosovo is not peacefully recognised there will change nothing's. Bosnia also a artificial state with bosians just being opportunistic
Any sebr who recognise Cosocvo will be deemed as trator and is a traitor@@Diego-ozz
I think all the Albanian speaking people have to accept they are just Albanian speaking gypsie and just because of the common spoken language their are not part of bigger Albania
@@alexlehrersh9951 Proud to be a traitor.
@@alexlehrersh9951 Serbia betrayed its own population. With genocide.
By the way, Vucic is giving away Kosovo. And you elected him head of state.
Such coherence.
Russia wont help serbia with kosovo for the same reasons they abandoned armenia
Homie said Voszislav Seszesz
What you mean by decide??
Serbia is free country like India they choose whatever they want
Many of us in Serbia harbor a strong desire for our country to join the European Union (EU). However, there exists a prevailing sentiment that the EU's support is directed towards a political party marred by pervasive corruption, diverting EU funds away from genuine reformative endeavors. Additionally, a noteworthy concern is the prevalence of individuals within the government who are remnants of the right-wing ideologies prominent in the 1990s, masquerading as EU-aligned politicians. Engaging with the EU feels arduous when our efforts seem overshadowed by a reliance on figures like Vucic, primarily as a means to address the Kosovo issue, as was envisioned during Merkel's tenure. The situation is distressing for the Serbian populace, feeling akin to hostages amid political tumult, perpetually trapped in a state of limbo. At the age of 26, the pervasive sentiment is one of stagnation, with an absence of transformative political and societal changes. We yearn for recognition akin to other Balkan nations and fervently advocate for the amplification of youthful voices and alternative political parties. A reevaluation of the EU's affiliations is imperative if substantive progress is to be witnessed in their direction.
I imagine the EU also doesn't really know what to do. In the end it's not an organization really meant to change who runs countries. As can be seen in even anti-EU leaders at times having power in EU countries.
So they probably feel chained to having to watch and trying to provide some incentives to perhaps change course... But if the power structures in that country don't want to bite, not sure how much they can really do further.
In that sense it's probably for a large part an internal Serbian matter to decide... assuming the general population gets much say in that I guess.
a bunch of empty words written...if we're talking about corruption, it lives in the corridors of Brussels
Aj glasaj za SPN
@@ivopatiera8427 Well yeah, that's exactly my point written.
@@Crocodebil Glasam:)
"EU insists on the rule of law" LOOOOOOL
Anyone from Serbia can tell you they don't really care
Serbia flag looks awesome in security council meetings
Look at the Hungary . Do you really wanted to bring another trojan into the European Union ???
Serbia sould join BRICS.
I am not Serb but I live in Belgrade for years and I can assure you that there is no such thing as big love towards Russia and Putin. It is a mix of marriage of convenience, some historical ties (also forged in convenience), an adverse opinion against sanctions against common citizens and the understanding that without Russia (and China), Serbia loses geopolitically.
Serbs have a better opinion about Russia than the rest of EU citizens and some extremist political/religious/social groups voice it out loud. But 1) Belgraders are not in love of many Russian expats, especially from Moscow region (the ones from St Petersburg are more welcomed), 2) the biggest manifestation that I saw in Belgrade was pro-Ukraine, not pro-Russia and 3) local business people are more comfortable dealing with EU companies than with Russians and 4) Serbians never look to Russia when deciding to live and work in another country.
There is no such thing as a Serbian-Russian brotherhood, it is more propaganda than reality. That said, Serbia in the EU is far from happening and it will drag for many years...
lol how do you know that serbians can see who is from moscow and who is from petersburg, and moreover why they would more welcome those from petersburg than one from moscow lol
@@ZoranJovic-li2ee I share the lol with you
You spent so many years among us for nothing.
Living in Belgrade, the most liberal and progressive part of Serbia, might not give a true picture of Serbian feelings. Serbian orthodox church is stounchly pro-Russian as well as many Serbian politicians, especially those in Bosnia (Dodig)
It's more like genocidal countries tend to have common values 😂
Serbia doesn't have any economic benefits from UN just loans that we are going in bigger depth.
Obviously, it chooses the ''East'' meaning Russia
When you say "it worker remarkably well for him" I cringe.
Yes, highest inflation levels, very high bank interests, high rise in real estate prices, very high raise in cost of living and above all, the most corrupt judicial branch probably in Europe (or on level with Hungary, Bulgaria and alike).
So yes it did work remarkably well for him personally and his rulling circle but it doesn't really work all that well for people of Serbia.
A, ću da te Karam 😊
I suggest you go live in germany, UK, france, even croatia for a couple months. I guarantee you'll be crying to come back to serbia. Because the only reason you're talking this nonsense is because you actually never lived anywhere else long enough to realize how those places work. NO, vacation in greece doesn't count.
Things for people in Serbia would be much better if the idiots would stop smoking. EVERYBODY there smokes. Wherever you are in towns, you are suffocated by cigarette smoke.
The idiots are paying to poison themselves. They would be healthier and would have more money, if they would stop smoking.
Not to mention nonsmokers would be able to breathe in smoke-free air.
@@MB-ng8mv😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Does Serbia still have cheap Russian gas? Didn't Bulgaria increase the transit fees?
KOSOVO JE SERBIJA
MAKEDONJA JE BULGARSKA
BG❤❤❤RS
That is still very cheap, compared to other gas exporters. Today the negotiations started with Bulgaria. Hungary is also protesting.
Touch choices.
ОБИЧАМ СЪРБИЯ С ЦЯЛОТО СИ СЪРЦЕ❤❤❤
BG❤❤❤❤❤❤RS
Suck it.
Are you alright?? 🤡🤡
Things are quite simple, the majority of the people are against EU membership and for more cooperation with Russia, China, and other non-western countries. And our politicians
who are all in the Western pocket are for EU membership and less cooperation with non-Western countries. So in a way, Serbia is just like the Western countries, the ruling class
does exactly the opposite of people's wishes.
Balance is bad?