If you look at DGs website they are coming out with a box…. But it duplicates a couple recordings you can get in the Decca mixed conductor box with the VPO.
Here’s one reason they exist. I’d never listened to any Bruckner before I heard the first release in this series (the third I think it was) and was totally blown away - and now I have something like 70 Bruckner recordings and looking forward to attending my first live performance of a Bruckner symphony later this year
That's a very good point. It would be even more interesting if you could remember what you heard! When something blows me away, I usually remember what it was.
Seen him conduct twice. His debut with the VPO. The orchestra sounded fabulous. Found Nelsons' non-stop podium antics infuriating. Will never watch him again.
@@petroslinardos Because his jumped-up bandmaster antics distracted from the music! How can you watch an orchestra perform WITHOUT being aware of the central figure on the stage? Perhaps think a little before posting in future.
You've summed up my thoughts on this (and DGs other brilliant paper projects) perfectly. Such a waste. Looking forward to your T-Man Bruckner review...Sony doesn't have good sound anymore either.
I heard Nelsons' Boston Lady Macbeth. I'm afraid he can't even do Shostakovich all that well now. He's awfully young to have lost his mojo. I'm afraid we're going to be hearing a lot of panicked neighing from the stable in this Bruckner year.🐎
Hey Dave, would you ever bother reviewing the Berlin Philharmonic‘s multi-conductor Bruckner box, issued on their own label? I can’t make my mind up and I’d love to get your insight. In any case, keep up the wonderful work!
That is true indeed. But some folks seemingly pay the admittedly hefty price for these recordings (I’ve only streamed them). Berlin may be the “culti-est” of all orchestras, exerting this strange magic that leads to slavish devotion and completely uncritical following of its fans (maybe a possible future talk? Orchestra cults? Especially the obsession with German orchestras as the ne plus ultra?).
The Boston bruckner performnces Nelsons did weren’t that great either, to be honest. But I’m curious what you think of the combined Boston+Leipzig Strauss box that Nelsons conducted. Strauss was always a more natural fit for Nelsons.
Is there a contemporary conductor who does Bruckner well? Bruckner isn't kid stuff. The Wagner might be good, but there's plenty of competition. Here's the problem with Bruckner: as with Mahler a performance of a long symphony must be strong enough to stand the test of an hour or more of playing time. There are plenty of snares that can bring failure.
Say it ain't so but it is! Early in his BSO tenure I heard him conduct a very good Bruckner 7th and spoke to maestro after and agreed a full cycle would be great; something BSO has never done. Next year he did the 3rd which was ok and then the 4th which was not and after that I gave up. Nelsons seemed more interested in revealing all the inner workings the scores much as an autopsy reveals clinical human biology with no passion. I regret he was better at the start and sadly only rarely show that former glimmer. There will be a complete Beethoven cycle next year with BSO. The chance that he will restudy and listen to the greats of the past and synthesize his experiences and give us his own interesting and personal vision of Beethoven is doubtful.
Nelsons should have stuck to Shostakovich, which whilst still spotty performance wise had some smokers (the 4th... wow). I think perhaps a Prokofiev cycle in Boston, given his fab 5th at last years Proms, suggests he at least has an affinity with Russian music. That would be an intriguing prospect with Boston to boot
Not to mention his equally great Tchaikovsky and Stravinsky. Indeed, it seems like the guy has feeling for Russian music. I never heard him in Prokofiev but I'd be curious to know how well he does!
Third time's a charm? Leinsdorf's aborted Prokofiev cycle was tantalizing, but then came the Ozawa which is easily outclassed by others. I still want Boston to do homage to those New England composers who wrote music for the BSO: Chadwick, Beach, Hanson, et al.
@martinhaub6828 Well, more like second times a charm...Ozawa's disastrous cycle was with the Berlin Phil. Again, perhaps Ozawa should have been Boston bound (I believe he made a complete Romeo and Juilet there, which is very good - though not heard it myself).
I'd like to suggest a new series of videos, if i may: Instead of releasing a meaningless new recording of work w as played by artist x, label y should have kept their previously released recording of said work[s] as played by artist z in print - which, in this case, would be Barenboim?
You got it in a nutshell: only the mediocre are always at their best especially if they suffer from a complete lack of objective artistic criticism of themselves & have an ego boosting record contract. Never mind about good reputations or even decent sonic recording quality, do a moronic cycle of something just to waste everybody's time & money. We don't need any more pointless bad Bruckner, there's just nothing more tedious. . Good job I have my old LP's of the stuff that really matters which still satisfies me after all these years.
I wouldn't say it is necessarily "boring" as you suggest; but it is weird. Nelsons makes unusual choices and has less than a cogent sense of how the music works together. I find the choices interesting if uncompelling and strange. I would contrast this with Thielemann, who simply gets it all wrong and then slathers it over with loud. My guess is not something you suggest here at all -- that Bruckner really has been overdone and Nelsons was simply trying to put together a "new" approach to the works. Is there really much at all that can be done with Bruckner that hasn't been done before? That can be done and done well-enough and differently-enough to justify a purchase? I'm not so sure. Kudos to Nelsons for trying, but I'm afraid his effort comes-up well short.
It's better than his Vienna Beethoven, but that's not saying much. Nothing exciting, but nothing really wrong too in his Bruckner. His Shostakovich in Boston is better though.
I think the Thielemann/V.P.O. Bruckner cycle is actually worse than this A. Nelsons one. Go figure! Frankly, I wish DG would issue the Wagner items separately.
Here’s a crazy paper idea for the Gewandhaus Orchestra, try a William Grant Still symphony cycle or a Howard Hanson one. Who needs another Bruuuckner 🐎🐎cycle? I know I don’t. Just a suggestion to DG and the Gewandhaus. Paul D. Hattiesburg, Mississippi
Lol...i love your analysis David on anything... Bruckner is one of those composers that needs special understanding and interpretation anyways, otherwise his music can either come across brash and tasteless or on the other extreme, dull and wooden. Thanks David..
What a crock. I've heard the BSO going back to Munch. Have You? Stand up and be specific and tell me what has been so terrible. Off the top of my head I give you Nelsons inspiring performances of Ein Heldenleben, Brahms Requiem, Beethoven 7, Four Black American Dances, Le Sacre du Printemps, Romeo & Juliette. These are what makes me want to keep returning to Symphony Hall 🎶
DG should put together a mixed Bruckner cycle - some Karajan, some Jochum, some Böhm some Barenboim (Chicago).....etc
If you look at DGs website they are coming out with a box…. But it duplicates a couple recordings you can get in the Decca mixed conductor box with the VPO.
Jump the shark 🦈
Just a thought - how about putting links in your video descriptions to topic-related classicstoday reviews? Might be helpful
I'll look into that. It's a good idea if I can figure out how to do it.
Here’s one reason they exist. I’d never listened to any Bruckner before I heard the first release in this series (the third I think it was) and was totally blown away - and now I have something like 70 Bruckner recordings and looking forward to attending my first live performance of a Bruckner symphony later this year
That's a very good point. It would be even more interesting if you could remember what you heard! When something blows me away, I usually remember what it was.
Could never figure out how he got the jobs
They should just re-release the Chicago Barenboim cycle!!!!! Can't find it anywhere!!!!!
That would be smart.
Presto Music has it as a download.
That is a stunning Bruckner cycle. My favourite for consistency of excellence. Possibly Barenboim's greatest recorded cycle of anything.
@@scotttobias-rh6hu It’s on Spotify too, but for certain cycles, I want to have a hard copy on my shelf.
I've seen Nelson conduct and he has this habit of hunching his face directly on top of score on his podium stand . Drives me absolutely Crazy!
Seen him conduct twice. His debut with the VPO. The orchestra sounded fabulous. Found Nelsons' non-stop podium antics infuriating. Will never watch him again.
Why watch? How did his annoying habit affect the music?
@@petroslinardos Because his jumped-up bandmaster antics distracted from the music! How can you watch an orchestra perform WITHOUT being aware of the central figure on the stage? Perhaps think a little before posting in future.
He’s crap 💩
I always enjoy the neighing horses!
You've summed up my thoughts on this (and DGs other brilliant paper projects) perfectly. Such a waste. Looking forward to your T-Man Bruckner review...Sony doesn't have good sound anymore either.
I heard Nelsons' Boston Lady Macbeth. I'm afraid he can't even do Shostakovich all that well now. He's awfully young to have lost his mojo.
I'm afraid we're going to be hearing a lot of panicked neighing from the stable in this Bruckner year.🐎
Hey Dave, would you ever bother reviewing the Berlin Philharmonic‘s multi-conductor Bruckner box, issued on their own label? I can’t make my mind up and I’d love to get your insight. In any case, keep up the wonderful work!
Probably not. It's too expensive, but we'll see.
That is true indeed. But some folks seemingly pay the admittedly hefty price for these recordings (I’ve only streamed them). Berlin may be the “culti-est” of all orchestras, exerting this strange magic that leads to slavish devotion and completely uncritical following of its fans (maybe a possible future talk? Orchestra cults? Especially the obsession with German orchestras as the ne plus ultra?).
Don't forget Nelsons's Strauss orchestral works....flat, flat, flat! And also no sense of how the stuff is supposed to go........
His Strauss box is so underwhelming and uninteresting. Would love to hear Dave's verdict on it
The Boston bruckner performnces Nelsons did weren’t that great either, to be honest. But I’m curious what you think of the combined Boston+Leipzig Strauss box that Nelsons conducted. Strauss was always a more natural fit for Nelsons.
lets admit that due to several contributing factors, there is a great deal of bad bruckner.
BRUCKNER 🐴🐴 always cracks me up!!
Is there a contemporary conductor who does Bruckner well? Bruckner isn't kid stuff.
The Wagner might be good, but there's plenty of competition. Here's the problem with Bruckner: as with Mahler a performance of a long symphony must be strong enough to stand the test of an hour or more of playing time. There are plenty of snares that can bring failure.
Markus Poschner's Bruckner series on Capriccio has been mostly very good, as far as I know.
Some great, some lousy.
I agree. I have been very disappointed with this, and regret the purchases I made. I would 4:22 have preferred a Sibelius set with Boston.
Say it ain't so but it is!
Early in his BSO tenure I heard him conduct a very good Bruckner 7th and spoke to maestro after and agreed a full cycle would be great; something BSO has never done.
Next year he did the 3rd which was ok and then the 4th which was not and after that I gave up. Nelsons seemed more interested in revealing all the inner workings the scores much as an autopsy reveals clinical human biology with no passion.
I regret he was better at the start and sadly only rarely show that former glimmer.
There will be a complete Beethoven cycle next year with BSO. The chance that he will restudy and listen to the greats of the past and synthesize his experiences and give us his own interesting and personal vision of Beethoven is doubtful.
Nelsons should have stuck to Shostakovich, which whilst still spotty performance wise had some smokers (the 4th... wow). I think perhaps a Prokofiev cycle in Boston, given his fab 5th at last years Proms, suggests he at least has an affinity with Russian music. That would be an intriguing prospect with Boston to boot
Not to mention his equally great Tchaikovsky and Stravinsky. Indeed, it seems like the guy has feeling for Russian music. I never heard him in Prokofiev but I'd be curious to know how well he does!
Third time's a charm? Leinsdorf's aborted Prokofiev cycle was tantalizing, but then came the Ozawa which is easily outclassed by others. I still want Boston to do homage to those New England composers who wrote music for the BSO: Chadwick, Beach, Hanson, et al.
@martinhaub6828 Well, more like second times a charm...Ozawa's disastrous cycle was with the Berlin Phil. Again, perhaps Ozawa should have been Boston bound (I believe he made a complete Romeo and Juilet there, which is very good - though not heard it myself).
Sorry for the stupid question, but... I don't understand the horse joke! Can someone explain, please?
Look up "Frau Blucher" on TH-cam.
I'd like to suggest a new series of videos, if i may: Instead of releasing a meaningless new recording of work w as played by artist x, label y should have kept their previously released recording of said work[s] as played by artist z in print - which, in this case, would be Barenboim?
I talk about that all the time, especially in the "ripe for reissue" series.
You got it in a nutshell: only the mediocre are always at their best especially if they suffer from a complete lack of objective artistic criticism of themselves & have an ego boosting record contract. Never mind about good reputations or even decent sonic recording quality, do a moronic cycle of something just to waste everybody's time & money. We don't need any more pointless bad Bruckner, there's just nothing more tedious. . Good job I have my old LP's of the stuff that really matters which still satisfies me after all these years.
I wouldn't say it is necessarily "boring" as you suggest; but it is weird. Nelsons makes unusual choices and has less than a cogent sense of how the music works together. I find the choices interesting if uncompelling and strange. I would contrast this with Thielemann, who simply gets it all wrong and then slathers it over with loud. My guess is not something you suggest here at all -- that Bruckner really has been overdone and Nelsons was simply trying to put together a "new" approach to the works. Is there really much at all that can be done with Bruckner that hasn't been done before? That can be done and done well-enough and differently-enough to justify a purchase? I'm not so sure. Kudos to Nelsons for trying, but I'm afraid his effort comes-up well short.
Like I said, it's boring. Really boring.
It's better than his Vienna Beethoven, but that's not saying much. Nothing exciting, but nothing really wrong too in his Bruckner. His Shostakovich in Boston is better though.
I think the Thielemann/V.P.O. Bruckner cycle is actually worse than this A. Nelsons one. Go figure! Frankly, I wish DG would issue the Wagner items separately.
Here’s a crazy paper idea for the Gewandhaus Orchestra, try a William Grant Still symphony cycle or a Howard Hanson one. Who needs another Bruuuckner 🐎🐎cycle? I know I don’t. Just a suggestion to DG and the Gewandhaus.
Paul D.
Hattiesburg, Mississippi
Lol...i love your analysis David on anything...
Bruckner is one of those composers that needs special understanding and interpretation anyways, otherwise his music can either come across brash and tasteless or on the other extreme, dull and wooden.
Thanks David..
Thanks for helping me save
money. I'll pass
I always think Gramophone reviews are a wind up.
This guy is thé worst conductor that Boston Symphony has ever had
What a crock. I've heard the BSO going back to Munch. Have You? Stand up and be specific and tell me what has been so terrible. Off the top of my head I give you Nelsons inspiring performances of Ein Heldenleben, Brahms Requiem, Beethoven 7, Four Black American Dances, Le Sacre du Printemps, Romeo & Juliette. These are what makes me want to keep returning to Symphony Hall 🎶