I hate him due to what I found out later in the game. When you first meet him he has splashes of blood on his cloth and he knew right away you are maidenless. Did it ring a bell ? He probably killed the maiden who is supposed to guide the tarnished at the beginning.My suspicion is confirmed later on when Varre asks you kill a maiden as an initiation to see Mogh . Varre is literally trying to prime the tarnished early on to either die( go find Godrick at early lv) or get recruited by Mogh if Varre finds the tarnished worthy( defeating Godrick). Either way Varre is a manipulator, and I despite him.
@@wisl8122 He was covered in blood and the dead lady near where you woke up looked slashed to death recently. Also interesting when you realise Varre fights with knives
The thing I like about Varre is that his quest starts in such an obscure spot, that many players probably ran right past it on their way to Raya Lucaria. So for most, Varre literally just showed, told you you get no bitches, and pissed off for the rest of the game. Based
Still upset there's no Lord of Blood/Mohgwyn Dynasty ending. Dung Eater gets one, but not Varre? Mohg? With all that grandeur and talk of bringing upon a new dynasty it's sooo insane there's not an ending related to Mohg or Varre, easily one of the most interesting questlines with one of the most disappointing/hollow endings. Also the reason Varre's eyes aren't red is likely tied to his outfits description, this part specifically: "Of the surgeons that were abducted by the Lord of Blood none were able to tame the accursed blood. None but Varré, that is; though he was an exception."
I think other pieces of cut content suggest that there may have originally been factions that the player could join at some point in development. The bloody fingers and the volcano manor in particular seem like they were originally intended to be deeper than in the final release of the game. Also, I definitely agree on your point about Varre's eyes. That feels intentional, at least to me.
Ranni's ending is the only one that you really follow through most of the game. The only other character that truly deserved some kind of ending by virtue of the magnitude of her quest is Millicent. The endings are one of elden ring's weak points, most feel rushed and undeserved.
It's pretty obvious that Mohg trying to become Miquella's consort wouldn't amount to anything since he was unresponsive. Even when you ask Gideon about it he tells you to just leave Mohg alone since what he's doing is pointless.
Nah all lore in the game points to Mohg’s dynasty never being able to come to fruition. Trying to give an ending related to it wouldn’t make sense at all because Miquella is dead after being removed from the Haligtree. The Formless Mother that Mohg spoke to doesn’t hold any power intrinsically in this realm. Even Gideon says to just leave Mohg alone cause there is no way his dynasty actually succeeds. Even the Dung Eater has a more sensible reason for his own ending, using the pox to curse future generations, rather than some Omen with blood magic feeding an already dead body to start a dynasty. It is an interesting questline, but if there was a Mohg ending, it defeats the purpose of environmental storytelling that the writers have done with Mohgwyn Palace. Maybe I’m biased but I feel like a Mohg ending would be too out of place. Everyone involved in this “dynasty” is either dead or insane and maybe that’s the point.
Another clue hinting towards the corpse in the chapel of anticipation being our maiden is that you loot the tarnished wizened finger (the item that allows you to write messages) from her, and, the message in front of her on the ground reads “Though the path be broken and uncertain, claim the throne of elden lord!” We could infer that this message was left by her, for the tarnished.
My appreciation for Sellen increased so much from hearing that quote. As... questionable as her goal is, she genuinely cares about the Tarnished and won't let anyone harm them.
I mean, she kept saying "My apprentice" during all her lines lol. Also, she never once forced her will upon her player but merely asks for help but states that if you don't want to, it's perfectly fine. The way she respects you is actually very impressive because most other characters don't, unless you literally bonk them to death first. So yes, she did. She invited you over to Raya Lucaria if you side with her at the end of her questline as an honored guest. Sellen's goals were dubious, but I don't think she was evil, merely misguided. I believe the other sorcerers she used to fuse into a graven mass were all willing to be subject to her experiments, even if she used trickery to get her way.
Varré's voice actor did a brilliant job, as you said you can hear the insincerity in his voice if you say the two fingers were magnificent and if there wasn't an option to talk to him again and say they seemed off you would probably want to make a new character to see his response to that.
One thing to note, this quest is no longer tied to online, you can complete the quest offline if you invade the npc's through the volcano mansion quest.
Extra note: The invasion requirement for Varré's quest can be instantly completed if you invade Magnus the beast claw at Altus plateau (at writheblood ruins, if i remember the name right)
My own personal take on the 'Guided by Grace' scenario is that all proper Tarnished are guided by Grace when they first enter, though many lose sight of it later (Nepheli mentioned that she once saw grace, but no longer does). Roderika, however, isn't a Tarnished in the same sense as the Player Character; she was a noble who for some reason fell out of favor, and her family got rid of her by claiming she was touched by grace and thus needed to go to the Lands Between. In reality, it was a polite way to exile her and be fairly sure she couldn't come back.
you don't have to finish her quest, you can just leave her in the academy. Not doing something is also a choice you make, especially in Fromsoft games, it's not like there's an achievement or a quest log that you need to complete.
The unused Sellen line makes me think they had quest lines that interfered with others. Then took them out because they didnt want the player to accidentally kill their fav npc.
The maiden in the chapel is implied to have been killed by the spider found not too far from her. Given that there's a gaping hole in the ceiling and the door is barred. It's also the closest enemy that has a reason for being their, that being that they are actively hunting tarnished for grafting. It's fair to assume that the maiden barred the door trying to barricade herself in, but was killed after the grafted spider came in through the ceiling.
@Bill Clinton Enjoyer It is the only reasonable explaination as to how the maiden died. The grafted scion was the only one in the area hunting tarnished at the time. It would explain why there was a struggle in that room as well as the hole in the ceiling. Even if the grafted scion didn't make the hole in the ceiling, it did wound the maiden before she locked the doors and was the closest enemy with a reason for hunting the maiden.
Yeah he transfuses blood into your finger. If he ripped it off it wouldn't be described the way it is in the description. It also fits much better into the whole rape and abortion stuff that goes on in Mohg's and Varré's lore.
Man i really wish they had left the Sellen content in, would have been a cool move for her to reverse the curse and protect you, plus her speech sounds bad ass.
You're right when you point out that we shouldn't rely on cut content to inform us about the game's world without taking it with a grain of salt, but I still think it's interesting to consider that in cut content, Varré would have been able to take us to the Roundtable Hold himself, meaning we wouldn't have needed to have Melina do it.
This is super interesting, it kinda hints that qe could have had a nimber of characters be our "Maiden" as it were. True and proper NPCs that help and guide us to the ending we desire. We kinda do see this through Ranni in the Age Of Stars, as well as Hyetta in the Frenzied Flame and Fia in the Age Of Dusk. All characters that give huidance to an end of the story in the Lands Between. If this is a strong theory, perhaps the choice of "Maiden" made it too easy for the player to decipher if this was a game changing event/consequence. It also sort of hints at the possibility of romance options via these questlines. There are a few more NPCs who could have fit the role of guidance upon the player to have multitudes of endings. Characters that come to mind are Tanith of Volcano Manor, Patches, and of course, Varré. After writing this, I'm a bit sad it didn't come to fruition, but it doesn't take away from the experience Elden Ring delivers.
I've seen in a comment under another Elden Ring lore video claiming that the characters that get a "bad ending" are the ones who are consumed by their ambitions/wishes/weaknesses/etc. Following this idea, Varré would be the result of an excess of love, unable to contain or temper it, Varré is in the end consumed by his own love for Mogh and his Dynasty. He had some affection to the Tarnished in a fatherly way I think, and because of this affection he let the player get to the Mausoleum which will ultimately lead to Varré's and the Dynasty's dismise.
This is a really neat perspective. That's definitely a trend (Varre, Boc, Thopps, etc.), and it reminds me a bit of Dark Souls' trend of NPCs dying or going hollow after they accomplish their personal goals and have nothing left to pursue.
The bouquet implies, at least to me, that his love is also purposefully malicious. Whether or not it's insincere, probably better said with a direct translation on-hand.
I love Varre, he has a great voice and is one of the first two-fingers-bad characters, he also makes dudes mad when he calls them maidenless which is funny. Though I don't do online so I can't do his quest.
>forces you to pay for online on consoles to do his quest >calls you maidenless even if you get married >works for an incestuous pedo rapist >talks like a Discord mod >drops one of the worst weapons in the game Fucking Varre
I don’t do pvp either but I did it for his quest. All you have to do is invade three different times, you don’t have to actually even fight. You can invade and then immediately leave. It’s worth it just to complete his quest.
@Pink Dream I think the best reward is her dialogue at the end of her quest (if you sided with her) Unlike most NPCs, she had some kind of character development, from believing in their potential to fully respecting the tarnished by the end. I think her final dialogue is meaningful/moving on purpose to make the players feel bad about how she ends up.
Due to it's close proximity with Stormveil Castle I believe that the Chapel of anticipation is a well know place by Godrick who leaves a Scion to kill arriving tarnished and his maiden and be added as a potential graft for their kind. Varré might realized this reoccurring phenomenon of tarnished exiting the cemetery alone so he just jumps to the assumption that the player is maidenless cuz he might used to this event
this would imply that all tarnished arrive from the same area, which i believe isn’t true simply due to the opening cinematic showing where several other tarnished (fia, gideon come right to mind) rising to seek the ring again. i believe that the reason we come from the chapel is simply for the irony of us “rising from the dead” from what has essentially become a graveyard, rather than that being spawn point 1 of 4 for tarnished. if this makes no sense so sorry it’s 3 am.
What makes you think he’d assume every Tarnished he met was guided by Grace if that’s supposed to be very rare to see? I think the implication is more likely that it is very rare for a Tarnished that has been adventuring in the Lands Between for a long time to still see the guidance of Grace. Freshly risen, newly arrived Tarnished probably can still see Grace’s guidance as a rule. It’s how they get to the Lands Between in the first place.
One little correction. I believe Mogh is actually reaching into the Formless Mother's body with his spells, and it's her blood that he scatters and sets on fire.
When I 1st saw the cutscene of Mohg and that cocoon (Mequlla) I immediately thought if I beat Mohg then Mequlla will absorb mohg powers and rises beginning another boss fight.... its a shame that didn't happen.
For the Blood Favor quest: you can use the blood of Hyetta (the blind woman that asks for shabriri grapes) and it will still count. But note that doing this will prevent you from doing the Frenzied Flame ending. 👍
Great video! Thank you for the insight. I did not know that Mohg was trying to awaken Miquella with the blood. How awesome would it be if we got the Miquella DLC we’re all wanting, but a corrupted version? Maybe us shedding the blood of Mohg, or us invading enough times, will satisfy the Formless Mother and awaken him. Maybe the Formeless Mother will incarnate in Miquella himself?
Much like the story of Aldrich in Dark Souls 3, a lot of item descriptions and dialogue refer to how Mohg's dynasty is inevitable, including the items that Mohg drops on his death. The same applies to Rykard, so it'd be cool if they followed up on these prophecies at some point.
I had a busy past few weeks, so I apologize that this video took a bit longer and covers a relatively shallow topic. I'll try to have the next one out sooner rather than later. I also recently created a twitter account at twitter.com/vlimit_11 I want to interact with the community more, so I'll try to find more time to respond to comments and feedback going forward. I hope you enjoy this video!
It always surprised me how almost flirty Varre’s tone of voice becomes when he starts calling you lambkin - that in addition to him always talking about love and being under the service of Mohg, the one and only gay icon, Varre be looking a bit fruity. Also that scene where you’re given the bloody fingernail. I mean come on. He 1000% is into the player character, no matter which body type you pick. This comment started out as a joke but I think I’ve convinced myself.
The image I got of the entire Mohgwyn dynasty project was one of a small, but delusional group of people. Varre, while I think he is right to be sceptical of the existing order and the 2 Fingers, seems weak, thinking he's smarter than he actually is. He's not seeing Mohg's delusions of grandeur and he places all his hopes in someone who clearly never cared about the tarnished. He's misguided to say the least. At the end of the day, Mohg is no better than the 2 Fingers.
I wish the quests in elden ring were a tad more explicit in explaining what the heck is going on - my interpretation of this quest was that you tell Varre you are having doubts about the two fingers just to test him, and when he opened up and told you about the lord of blood and all that, you were just playing him to be able to kill mohg like a good tarnished. But it's confusing - you are given an audience with the lord of blood and he just comes out of a cocoon and tries to kill you, there's should have been some explaination as to what you were doing
I just wish that there was not only a Mohg ending, but joining the bloody fingers actually bloxked off access to the round table hold and you had access to other NPCs. They still have a smith and Spirit tuner, but they maybe had different items or could make different improvements. Also same for volcano manor. *edited for clarity and spelling
Some people theorize he "killed" your characters maiden and your character (hence his comment about being maidenless) but you lost your memory at the beginning of the game before you meet him. Edit: this was in the video
Damn both of the PVP clubs in this game really suck lol. No matter how long you wait for Mohg to call upon you his dynasty never forms and then when you work your way up in the lava Manor to gain audience with Rykard he just tries to eat you 😢
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It is my belief that Varré was looking to steal the player's strength sort of like the ultimate villain trope. He acts like your friend and like he cares for you, just so he can betray you just before you're too strong for him to handle. Except for Varré, he miscalculated the situation and he did get defeated. I'm uncertain about the details of the Japanese here, but in the original Japanese it was mentioned that Varré has a much more intimate form of speaking to the player as if they're a married couple already (there's no equivalent to that in English, so they essentially used the word "lambkin" as a replacement for that), so Varré's questline is obviously supposed to mirror Mohg's relationship with Miquella to some extent. So like Mohg, Varré doesn't actually care for the player, as much as he just wants them to elevate him to the status he believes they deserve. I can't say this with certainty but it's probably likely that Varré also used the Japanese word "ai" for love rather than "daisuki", with the former being a more intimate, deeper but also conceptual bond between two or more people or between a person/people and a concept e.g. a nation, and the latter is what I'd say is how English usually understands love as something you like a lot e.g. I love chocolate. In Mohg's lore, love plays an integral role especially vis-a-vis becoming an Elden Lord and between an Empyrean, and the love manifests as a mixture of bloody fluids (Mohg's "laying" with Miquella by essentially injecting Miquella with his blood would certainly make many people associate it as a form of rape). It is also notable that Mohg's lore has strong connections to pregnancy, childbirth and abortion, and it is not too farfetched to see Varré as he is dressed up as an earlier style for midwives rather than the surgeon most people see him as. That the player has to kill a maiden and stain a piece of cloth with their blood makes sense from a conceptual perspective, because a) it was very common and still is in many parts of the world, to die of childbirth and childbirth can be a very bloody ordeal and b) according to many cultures across the world, what separates a maiden i.e. an unmarried woman from a married one, is that she has laid with her husband on the wedding night and the proof of her virginity is the bleeding from her broken hymen. Varré really suggests that you go rape a woman to prove that you're the real deal and ready to have kids, essentially (which he wants to have with you but doesn't say it), because you're maidenless i.e. you were supposed to be married but you no longer can, so he offers an alternative to family union which doesn't necessitate marriage. And that's honestly just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Mohg's and Varré's lore. Varré's weapon is a bouqet of red roses - in at least western culture which Elden Ring is mostly modeled of, a bouqet of red roses usually represents love between spouses and is a common decoration during the wedding.
okay, the way sellen raises her voice when she said her name, kinda emphasized her notoriety. it sounds badass, but maybe that was also the cause it was cut from the content. like who is she talking to? curse peddler. she said. if she's talking to varre, then yea, sellen should be stronger than him. but who's behind varre again? mohg. if sellen know all about the curse of the bloody finger. she should also know who is the demigod behind it. there is no way in hell sellen would be able to threaten mohg. so yea.. that threat.. kinda doesnt make sense in a way. maybe at first, they designed sellen to be as strong as rennala, but scratched it off in the final game. instead, they would just give us with a generic witch hunter enemy for that quest.
Sellen try to protect us in cut content and she also have a very beautiful face and she is also a doll but not blue Damn she should have been the best waifu
Funny moment when I first played, I got pissed off at Varre and made him agro but he was too op, so I kept respawning and he killed me over again to the point where I had to start a new game :')
I killed varre right at the beginning and I only found 2 nameless white masks in mohgwyn, could be I just missed him but I’m pretty sure I scanned that place up and down
@@GodAmbition_1997 if you go into literally any video talking somewhat about Radahn you will see like hundreds of people crowing about how much they love Radahn. People love his crazy ass
@@knightogourd because he wasn't always crazy or a villain to others. He wasn't in his right mind to be a beast. This is how I know you didn't pay attention to the lore.
Well I mean it says multiple times that all the tarnished are initially guided by grace but it wears out rather quickly for most people. Given we are brand new it's reasonable for him to assume that we can see it currently
3:10 small correction. You don't NEED to play online to complete varres quest. There's an NPC in altus called Magnus the beast claw you can invade and that will satisfy the quest. You can find the red summon sign at writheblood ruins. So this quest will never become "impossible".
There is a way to invade an NPC and then use finger severer to come back to your world. Do this thrice and you will finish varre's requirements. It works without online play. I think there is such an npc invasion possible in atlus plateau.
There is an npc up north you can invade,and do it one time and it counts.There are ruins that have a summons sign enable that and go into the ruins and on the ground is a red glowing summons sign.Hit that up and a dude will come after you.
So the shattering of the elden ring created a power vacuum and now all the fingers and empearyons are fighting for control. This is partially why I went with the frenzied flame to just destroy it all lol.
There are actually 3 maidens you can kill. The two you mentioned, and Irina/Hyetta. You can either murder her when she first gives you the letter or collect her blood after finishing castle morne
I showed up to Mohgwyn palace through a portal in Consecrated Snowfileds. Never started Varre's quest, so there are no Nameless White Mask invaders and no summoning sign for Varre .__. Though now I can troll him back that, however maidenless I might be, he's now masterless. Why isn't it a dialogue option?
Varre was such a great early character overall. His lines alone had to sell hundreds of thousands of copies with the maidenless memes.
I hate him due to what I found out later in the game. When you first meet him he has splashes of blood on his cloth and he knew right away you are maidenless. Did it ring a bell ? He probably killed the maiden who is supposed to guide the tarnished at the beginning.My suspicion is confirmed later on when Varre asks you kill a maiden as an initiation to see Mogh .
Varre is literally trying to prime the tarnished early on to either die( go find Godrick at early lv) or get recruited by Mogh if Varre finds the tarnished worthy( defeating Godrick). Either way Varre is a manipulator, and I despite him.
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He was covered in blood and the dead lady near where you woke up looked slashed to death recently. Also interesting when you realise Varre fights with knives
@@josedorsaith5261 wait what, he uses the rose mace not knifes.
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My mistake. I was getting him mixed up with the invader in the blood swamp in Mohgs realm
@@wisl8122 he's literally a surgeon
The thing I like about Varre is that his quest starts in such an obscure spot, that many players probably ran right past it on their way to Raya Lucaria. So for most, Varre literally just showed, told you you get no bitches, and pissed off for the rest of the game. Based
For me, I never got the quest because after he called me maidenless, I beat him to death.
i dunno man that might be why youre maidenless lmfao
yup. ran right past that church the first time dont even remember seeing any blood themed flowers or enemies until that godforsaken lake
@@yall_might Based
Becomes Sellen's apprentice "I REFUSE TO CODDLE"
Proceeds to coddle whenever possible
I'd cuddle with Selen tbh
I feel like we might be her favorite
What is coddle? A different way of saying cuddle? Like gaol is a way of saying jail?
@@capperbuns spoil, pamper
@@capperbuns coddle is another way for spoiling someone. Acting as if they were your child and doing things you wouldn't.
Really seems like we were *this* close to having covenants in this game. That unused line from Sellen only reinforces that.
yep especially since you can *also* get an invasion item from the Volcano Manor, the Recusant's Finger.
I wish. Covenants in DS2 were such a good fit for the game.
Was a big mistake not to have them. 0 incentive to invade or play co-op.
@@Kurozu1991 speak for yourself I love co op and pvp
@@___.51 Okay? Doesn’t change the fact there’s no reward for doing it.
Still upset there's no Lord of Blood/Mohgwyn Dynasty ending. Dung Eater gets one, but not Varre? Mohg? With all that grandeur and talk of bringing upon a new dynasty it's sooo insane there's not an ending related to Mohg or Varre, easily one of the most interesting questlines with one of the most disappointing/hollow endings.
Also the reason Varre's eyes aren't red is likely tied to his outfits description, this part specifically: "Of the surgeons that were abducted by the Lord of Blood none were able to tame the accursed blood. None but Varré, that is; though he was an exception."
I think other pieces of cut content suggest that there may have originally been factions that the player could join at some point in development. The bloody fingers and the volcano manor in particular seem like they were originally intended to be deeper than in the final release of the game.
Also, I definitely agree on your point about Varre's eyes. That feels intentional, at least to me.
Ranni's ending is the only one that you really follow through most of the game. The only other character that truly deserved some kind of ending by virtue of the magnitude of her quest is Millicent. The endings are one of elden ring's weak points, most feel rushed and undeserved.
It's pretty obvious that Mohg trying to become Miquella's consort wouldn't amount to anything since he was unresponsive. Even when you ask Gideon about it he tells you to just leave Mohg alone since what he's doing is pointless.
Nah all lore in the game points to Mohg’s dynasty never being able to come to fruition. Trying to give an ending related to it wouldn’t make sense at all because Miquella is dead after being removed from the Haligtree. The Formless Mother that Mohg spoke to doesn’t hold any power intrinsically in this realm. Even Gideon says to just leave Mohg alone cause there is no way his dynasty actually succeeds. Even the Dung Eater has a more sensible reason for his own ending, using the pox to curse future generations, rather than some Omen with blood magic feeding an already dead body to start a dynasty.
It is an interesting questline, but if there was a Mohg ending, it defeats the purpose of environmental storytelling that the writers have done with Mohgwyn Palace. Maybe I’m biased but I feel like a Mohg ending would be too out of place. Everyone involved in this “dynasty” is either dead or insane and maybe that’s the point.
@@lerosallyn9279 while I agree I still think either he or Rykard should have gotten an ending over dung eater
Another clue hinting towards the corpse in the chapel of anticipation being our maiden is that you loot the tarnished wizened finger (the item that allows you to write messages) from her, and, the message in front of her on the ground reads “Though the path be broken and uncertain, claim the throne of elden lord!” We could infer that this message was left by her, for the tarnished.
My appreciation for Sellen increased so much from hearing that quote. As... questionable as her goal is, she genuinely cares about the Tarnished and won't let anyone harm them.
Ngl I’m glad I was her apprentice
Turns out coddling was on the table after all
Sellen a real one fr.
I mean, she kept saying "My apprentice" during all her lines lol. Also, she never once forced her will upon her player but merely asks for help but states that if you don't want to, it's perfectly fine. The way she respects you is actually very impressive because most other characters don't, unless you literally bonk them to death first.
So yes, she did. She invited you over to Raya Lucaria if you side with her at the end of her questline as an honored guest. Sellen's goals were dubious, but I don't think she was evil, merely misguided. I believe the other sorcerers she used to fuse into a graven mass were all willing to be subject to her experiments, even if she used trickery to get her way.
Varré's voice actor did a brilliant job, as you said you can hear the insincerity in his voice if you say the two fingers were magnificent and if there wasn't an option to talk to him again and say they seemed off you would probably want to make a new character to see his response to that.
One thing to note, this quest is no longer tied to online, you can complete the quest offline if you invade the npc's through the volcano mansion quest.
Extra note: The invasion requirement for Varré's quest can be instantly completed if you invade Magnus the beast claw at Altus plateau (at writheblood ruins, if i remember the name right)
@@MothDaxyes, I believe this was added in a patch specifically to give players an offline way of completing Varres invasions
My own personal take on the 'Guided by Grace' scenario is that all proper Tarnished are guided by Grace when they first enter, though many lose sight of it later (Nepheli mentioned that she once saw grace, but no longer does). Roderika, however, isn't a Tarnished in the same sense as the Player Character; she was a noble who for some reason fell out of favor, and her family got rid of her by claiming she was touched by grace and thus needed to go to the Lands Between. In reality, it was a polite way to exile her and be fairly sure she couldn't come back.
Because of Varre, I clasp my hands together when I’m standing still.
The news about Sellen makes me even more depressed for her questline T_T. She really did care about the player character.
Yeah but i cant bring myself to feel bad for her. Everything points to her getting what she deserves
Wish there was a way to have an alternate quest ending like boc
you don't have to finish her quest, you can just leave her in the academy.
Not doing something is also a choice you make, especially in Fromsoft games, it's not like there's an achievement or a quest log that you need to complete.
@@mightystronk4361 true. Did it my first play thru. Sad times lol
The unused Sellen line makes me think they had quest lines that interfered with others. Then took them out because they didnt want the player to accidentally kill their fav npc.
Like Nepheli...
The maiden in the chapel is implied to have been killed by the spider found not too far from her. Given that there's a gaping hole in the ceiling and the door is barred. It's also the closest enemy that has a reason for being their, that being that they are actively hunting tarnished for grafting. It's fair to assume that the maiden barred the door trying to barricade herself in, but was killed after the grafted spider came in through the ceiling.
Yeah man my boy Varre is innocent!
@Bill Clinton Enjoyer It is the only reasonable explaination as to how the maiden died. The grafted scion was the only one in the area hunting tarnished at the time. It would explain why there was a struggle in that room as well as the hole in the ceiling.
Even if the grafted scion didn't make the hole in the ceiling, it did wound the maiden before she locked the doors and was the closest enemy with a reason for hunting the maiden.
First person I met was a murdered maiden. Guy says I'm maidenless.
Hmm... 🔍
Killed him.
So he transfuses blood into our finger? I've seen so many people saying he rips off your finger lol.
Also wtf, Sellen is a lot more precious now
Yeah he transfuses blood into your finger. If he ripped it off it wouldn't be described the way it is in the description. It also fits much better into the whole rape and abortion stuff that goes on in Mohg's and Varré's lore.
I kinda love how much Selene cares about the player
Man i really wish they had left the Sellen content in, would have been a cool move for her to reverse the curse and protect you, plus her speech sounds bad ass.
You're right when you point out that we shouldn't rely on cut content to inform us about the game's world without taking it with a grain of salt, but I still think it's interesting to consider that in cut content, Varré would have been able to take us to the Roundtable Hold himself, meaning we wouldn't have needed to have Melina do it.
This is super interesting, it kinda hints that qe could have had a nimber of characters be our "Maiden" as it were. True and proper NPCs that help and guide us to the ending we desire.
We kinda do see this through Ranni in the Age Of Stars, as well as Hyetta in the Frenzied Flame and Fia in the Age Of Dusk. All characters that give huidance to an end of the story in the Lands Between.
If this is a strong theory, perhaps the choice of "Maiden" made it too easy for the player to decipher if this was a game changing event/consequence.
It also sort of hints at the possibility of romance options via these questlines. There are a few more NPCs who could have fit the role of guidance upon the player to have multitudes of endings. Characters that come to mind are Tanith of Volcano Manor, Patches, and of course, Varré.
After writing this, I'm a bit sad it didn't come to fruition, but it doesn't take away from the experience Elden Ring delivers.
Maybe varre at some Point could have been Our own Maiden. Now, i know that only woman can turn runes into strenght, but at some Point, maybe man too.
@@B1g_B0sssss Varré could have been a woman at the start, after all the mask he wears doesn't exactly look like a male face.
@@RevengedSevenfold he clearly sounds like a male. But in 2022 everything is possible
I've seen in a comment under another Elden Ring lore video claiming that the characters that get a "bad ending" are the ones who are consumed by their ambitions/wishes/weaknesses/etc.
Following this idea, Varré would be the result of an excess of love, unable to contain or temper it, Varré is in the end consumed by his own love for Mogh and his Dynasty. He had some affection to the Tarnished in a fatherly way I think, and because of this affection he let the player get to the Mausoleum which will ultimately lead to Varré's and the Dynasty's dismise.
This is a really neat perspective. That's definitely a trend (Varre, Boc, Thopps, etc.), and it reminds me a bit of Dark Souls' trend of NPCs dying or going hollow after they accomplish their personal goals and have nothing left to pursue.
The bouquet implies, at least to me, that his love is also purposefully malicious. Whether or not it's insincere, probably better said with a direct translation on-hand.
I love Varre, he has a great voice and is one of the first two-fingers-bad characters, he also makes dudes mad when he calls them maidenless which is funny. Though I don't do online so I can't do his quest.
Varré is indeed a good character.
>forces you to pay for online on consoles to do his quest
>calls you maidenless even if you get married
>works for an incestuous pedo rapist
>talks like a Discord mod
>drops one of the worst weapons in the game
Fucking Varre
Why don't you do online?
I don’t do pvp either but I did it for his quest. All you have to do is invade three different times, you don’t have to actually even fight. You can invade and then immediately leave. It’s worth it just to complete his quest.
@@LyGon-pw5mt invading is easier now in the recent patch, Varre’s quest now also doesn’t require online
Varre is the real Maiden
Wtf I love sellen now. Wish we could help her
I feel even worst for Sellen's final fate now...
@Pink Dream Not finishing her quest doesn't count as "saving her". That way you could "save" every NPC.
@Pink Dream I think the best reward is her dialogue at the end of her quest (if you sided with her) Unlike most NPCs, she had some kind of character development, from believing in their potential to fully respecting the tarnished by the end. I think her final dialogue is meaningful/moving on purpose to make the players feel bad about how she ends up.
Due to it's close proximity with Stormveil Castle I believe that the Chapel of anticipation is a well know place by Godrick who leaves a Scion to kill arriving tarnished and his maiden and be added as a potential graft for their kind. Varré might realized this reoccurring phenomenon of tarnished exiting the cemetery alone so he just jumps to the assumption that the player is maidenless cuz he might used to this event
this would imply that all tarnished arrive from the same area, which i believe isn’t true simply due to the opening cinematic showing where several other tarnished (fia, gideon come right to mind) rising to seek the ring again. i believe that the reason we come from the chapel is simply for the irony of us “rising from the dead” from what has essentially become a graveyard, rather than that being spawn point 1 of 4 for tarnished. if this makes no sense so sorry it’s 3 am.
Varre is a homie. He at least tries to tell us the truth.
well Mohg is not exactly the path of truth either...
@@fumomofumosarum5893 he's literally in communion with the Mother of Truth tho, Varre just doesn't understand what that means
What makes you think he’d assume every Tarnished he met was guided by Grace if that’s supposed to be very rare to see? I think the implication is more likely that it is very rare for a Tarnished that has been adventuring in the Lands Between for a long time to still see the guidance of Grace. Freshly risen, newly arrived Tarnished probably can still see Grace’s guidance as a rule. It’s how they get to the Lands Between in the first place.
One little correction. I believe Mogh is actually reaching into the Formless Mother's body with his spells, and it's her blood that he scatters and sets on fire.
That's not really a correction if its a theory
When I 1st saw the cutscene of Mohg and that cocoon (Mequlla) I immediately thought if I beat Mohg then Mequlla will absorb mohg powers and rises beginning another boss fight.... its a shame that didn't happen.
I love Sellen even more after seeing this vid.
For the Blood Favor quest: you can use the blood of Hyetta (the blind woman that asks for shabriri grapes) and it will still count. But note that doing this will prevent you from doing the Frenzied Flame ending. 👍
It wont prevent you from doing the ending, you just wont get the frenzy seal.
@@CKER-cl8in oh, I just assume I couldn't afterwards and didn't do that ending. My bad 😅
Easily one of the best lore creators on TH-cam, love watching your content man keep it up
Selen probably could kill Varre now that I think about it. That line was metal as shit.
Man, I wish Sellen would've had a part in this questline. That's so neat
Great video! Thank you for the insight. I did not know that Mohg was trying to awaken Miquella with the blood. How awesome would it be if we got the Miquella DLC we’re all wanting, but a corrupted version? Maybe us shedding the blood of Mohg, or us invading enough times, will satisfy the Formless Mother and awaken him. Maybe the Formeless Mother will incarnate in Miquella himself?
Much like the story of Aldrich in Dark Souls 3, a lot of item descriptions and dialogue refer to how Mohg's dynasty is inevitable, including the items that Mohg drops on his death. The same applies to Rykard, so it'd be cool if they followed up on these prophecies at some point.
Varré killing our original maiden theory seems to make a lot of sense IMO
I had a busy past few weeks, so I apologize that this video took a bit longer and covers a relatively shallow topic. I'll try to have the next one out sooner rather than later.
I also recently created a twitter account at twitter.com/vlimit_11
I want to interact with the community more, so I'll try to find more time to respond to comments and feedback going forward. I hope you enjoy this video!
nice pfp, love it man
Hey V-limit glad your back! Great stuff as always. You have a very calming voice
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Fun fact, you can actually kill Irina in the weeping peninsula to complete Varré’s quest line as well! I’m not sure about Hyetta though
The way he said my lambkin is so sus
He killed your maid to be your maid
It always surprised me how almost flirty Varre’s tone of voice becomes when he starts calling you lambkin - that in addition to him always talking about love and being under the service of Mohg, the one and only gay icon, Varre be looking a bit fruity.
Also that scene where you’re given the bloody fingernail. I mean come on. He 1000% is into the player character, no matter which body type you pick. This comment started out as a joke but I think I’ve convinced myself.
Varre has hella swagger
Varré deserved better. I felt sad for him.
The image I got of the entire Mohgwyn dynasty project was one of a small, but delusional group of people. Varre, while I think he is right to be sceptical of the existing order and the 2 Fingers, seems weak, thinking he's smarter than he actually is. He's not seeing Mohg's delusions of grandeur and he places all his hopes in someone who clearly never cared about the tarnished. He's misguided to say the least. At the end of the day, Mohg is no better than the 2 Fingers.
@@octavianpopescu4776 Miquella
I wish the quests in elden ring were a tad more explicit in explaining what the heck is going on - my interpretation of this quest was that you tell Varre you are having doubts about the two fingers just to test him, and when he opened up and told you about the lord of blood and all that, you were just playing him to be able to kill mohg like a good tarnished. But it's confusing - you are given an audience with the lord of blood and he just comes out of a cocoon and tries to kill you, there's should have been some explaination as to what you were doing
I'd probably never do this quest due to the fact of him calling me maidenless enacts a primal rage to kill him not matter how many tries it takes.
..."with LUHV!"
Incredible video, as always ! Which explains in detail a lot of things some players might have missed
As an observation, online play is not required. There are some offline invasions you can do in certain places to help you complete the quest.
Man made a background check video on varre after he got told he got no maidens
I just wish that there was not only a Mohg ending, but joining the bloody fingers actually bloxked off access to the round table hold and you had access to other NPCs. They still have a smith and Spirit tuner, but they maybe had different items or could make different improvements. Also same for volcano manor.
*edited for clarity and spelling
Would've been cool and some quests like
"Go kill yura because He killed nerijus"
I feel so bad for varre
He has a similar type of speech to Petelguese from Rezero. With the whole talk of love and such
I believe they have changed Varré's quest in a patch now, so it can be done without relying on multiplayer.
Thanks for making this video. I never got this quest and voicelines, because he called me maidenless, then I killed him.
So.. Varré killed the maiden at the start of the game to lure you into Mohg's palace to become a Mohg knight?
No there's a huge hole in the roof fitting the size of a scion
No it was the scion
love the lore vids my man. some of my fva stuff.
keep doing wut u do Big preash
It was funny when Varre in his message invited us to the rose church promising us a maiden. I thought he was going to become maiden himself for us lol
Oh my Sellen is such a girlboss
Well sht i know this is a vid about varre but that sellen unsused voiceline is top notch
Some people theorize he "killed" your characters maiden and your character (hence his comment about being maidenless) but you lost your memory at the beginning of the game before you meet him.
Edit: this was in the video
You can do varre quest now thanks to the update
Damn both of the PVP clubs in this game really suck lol. No matter how long you wait for Mohg to call upon you his dynasty never forms and then when you work your way up in the lava Manor to gain audience with Rykard he just tries to eat you 😢
Yeah I also hoped for something else when playing these questlines
Who could of seen this coming, the murder cult leaders wanted to murder you in the end.
@@trevorhallihan5529 @Trevor Hallihan damn bro your reply got Shadow banned by youtube, I can only view it in notifications gg
@@AnonAsd they stole our two love interests from us - Varré and Rya 😤😤😤😤 we deserve better
As usual I will never skip the ads for this kind of good content so can get the money from it, and the reason why I don't use youtube premium so could contribute to the creator that way
I actually appreciate that a ton, you're awesome for that
It is my belief that Varré was looking to steal the player's strength sort of like the ultimate villain trope. He acts like your friend and like he cares for you, just so he can betray you just before you're too strong for him to handle. Except for Varré, he miscalculated the situation and he did get defeated. I'm uncertain about the details of the Japanese here, but in the original Japanese it was mentioned that Varré has a much more intimate form of speaking to the player as if they're a married couple already (there's no equivalent to that in English, so they essentially used the word "lambkin" as a replacement for that), so Varré's questline is obviously supposed to mirror Mohg's relationship with Miquella to some extent. So like Mohg, Varré doesn't actually care for the player, as much as he just wants them to elevate him to the status he believes they deserve.
I can't say this with certainty but it's probably likely that Varré also used the Japanese word "ai" for love rather than "daisuki", with the former being a more intimate, deeper but also conceptual bond between two or more people or between a person/people and a concept e.g. a nation, and the latter is what I'd say is how English usually understands love as something you like a lot e.g. I love chocolate. In Mohg's lore, love plays an integral role especially vis-a-vis becoming an Elden Lord and between an Empyrean, and the love manifests as a mixture of bloody fluids (Mohg's "laying" with Miquella by essentially injecting Miquella with his blood would certainly make many people associate it as a form of rape).
It is also notable that Mohg's lore has strong connections to pregnancy, childbirth and abortion, and it is not too farfetched to see Varré as he is dressed up as an earlier style for midwives rather than the surgeon most people see him as. That the player has to kill a maiden and stain a piece of cloth with their blood makes sense from a conceptual perspective, because a) it was very common and still is in many parts of the world, to die of childbirth and childbirth can be a very bloody ordeal and b) according to many cultures across the world, what separates a maiden i.e. an unmarried woman from a married one, is that she has laid with her husband on the wedding night and the proof of her virginity is the bleeding from her broken hymen. Varré really suggests that you go rape a woman to prove that you're the real deal and ready to have kids, essentially (which he wants to have with you but doesn't say it), because you're maidenless i.e. you were supposed to be married but you no longer can, so he offers an alternative to family union which doesn't necessitate marriage.
And that's honestly just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Mohg's and Varré's lore. Varré's weapon is a bouqet of red roses - in at least western culture which Elden Ring is mostly modeled of, a bouqet of red roses usually represents love between spouses and is a common decoration during the wedding.
That Sellen cut part was pretty cool tho, it would make her further fate more impactful
At first I thought Varre was gonna be like frampt. turns out he is kaathe
7:50 Hades probably was the one giving him love tips.
if you kill irina or complete her quest her blood can be used on the cloth
okay, the way sellen raises her voice when she said her name, kinda emphasized her notoriety. it sounds badass, but maybe that was also the cause it was cut from the content.
like who is she talking to? curse peddler. she said. if she's talking to varre, then yea, sellen should be stronger than him. but who's behind varre again? mohg. if sellen know all about the curse of the bloody finger. she should also know who is the demigod behind it. there is no way in hell sellen would be able to threaten mohg. so yea.. that threat.. kinda doesnt make sense in a way.
maybe at first, they designed sellen to be as strong as rennala, but scratched it off in the final game.
instead, they would just give us with a generic witch hunter enemy for that quest.
Sellen try to protect us in cut content and she also have a very beautiful face and she is also a doll but not blue
Damn she should have been the best waifu
god i wish they kept the sellen content i love her so much
He's a puddle of blood in the mud, for calling me Maidenless, that's what he is.
Thumbnail got me like "yeah, no maidens, no need to remind me"
Funny moment when I first played, I got pissed off at Varre and made him agro but he was too op, so I kept respawning and he killed me over again to the point where I had to start a new game :')
you couldve gone to the church of vows with the dog pope
@@adrenaline4323 Yeah but that was my first playthrough, I didn't even know liurnia or even caelid existed!
I killed varre right at the beginning and I only found 2 nameless white masks in mohgwyn, could be I just missed him but I’m pretty sure I scanned that place up and down
I never killed Varre and will never do it. He is so underrated like Sellen, Radahn, and Patches
Radahn is underrated?? LOL
@@knightogourd Melania cheated against him and before that battle he was the most honorable warrior before his brain rotted to the beast we know.
@@GodAmbition_1997 if you go into literally any video talking somewhat about Radahn you will see like hundreds of people crowing about how much they love Radahn. People love his crazy ass
@@knightogourd because he wasn't always crazy or a villain to others. He wasn't in his right mind to be a beast. This is how I know you didn't pay attention to the lore.
@@knightogourd Yes he is because he is unsung dude, he didn't deserve to be a beast nor a boss.
You can also kill irina or hyetta for the maidens blood aswell
Well I mean it says multiple times that all the tarnished are initially guided by grace but it wears out rather quickly for most people. Given we are brand new it's reasonable for him to assume that we can see it currently
3:10 small correction. You don't NEED to play online to complete varres quest. There's an NPC in altus called Magnus the beast claw you can invade and that will satisfy the quest. You can find the red summon sign at writheblood ruins. So this quest will never become "impossible".
That was actually added in patch 1.06, which unfortunately came out a few weeks after this video's upload date
@@VLimit11 ah gotcha
You can complete Varre's quest with the recusant invasions. They count.
Is a fool who projects his maidenlessness onto the tarnished.
Evil King Baldwin... I will prob dress as both on Halloween i went as Cleric Beast 5 years ago and practiced the scream.
Awesome as ever
Sellen sincerely cares about her apprentice 😥
You don't actually need to invade somebody's world, if you do the quest for volcano Manor you're invading an NPC's world and it counts for the quest
Or invading Magnus
6:30
Oh my god, that's adorable.
She's really like:
"Bitch, who dares touches my precious student?"
There is a way to invade an NPC and then use finger severer to come back to your world. Do this thrice and you will finish varre's requirements. It works without online play.
I think there is such an npc invasion possible in atlus plateau.
Thank you for your interest in me, Tarnished.
There is an npc up north you can invade,and do it one time and it counts.There are ruins that have a summons sign enable that and go into the ruins and on the ground is a red glowing summons sign.Hit that up and a dude will come after you.
Est poster boy they have had in awhile. Reminds me of solaire levels.
Varre: " I'm afraid you are Maidenless "
Tarnished: " oh yeah? *WHERE ARE YOURS?!* "
Oh yeah? Y make You My mainden now!!!!
I honestly feel like he was the guy that killed your maiden at the start.
So the shattering of the elden ring created a power vacuum and now all the fingers and empearyons are fighting for control.
This is partially why I went with the frenzied flame to just destroy it all lol.
I have no idea how I never realized that the corpse in the Chapel we start in was suppose to be our Finger Maiden.
There are actually 3 maidens you can kill. The two you mentioned, and Irina/Hyetta. You can either murder her when she first gives you the letter or collect her blood after finishing castle morne
Hey, that's the guy who called me maidenless
He’s the first person I killed then started a new game because of that
You can do his questline with the invasions you do for the volcano manor
I've found you can also redden the lord of bloods favor by killing Hyetta when you have the cloth in your inventory
I showed up to Mohgwyn palace through a portal in Consecrated Snowfileds. Never started Varre's quest, so there are no Nameless White Mask invaders and no summoning sign for Varre .__. Though now I can troll him back that, however maidenless I might be, he's now masterless. Why isn't it a dialogue option?