World of Warships - HMS Duncan
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- The Royal Navy battlecruiser HMS Duncan, named after Admiral Duncan who led the British fleet to victory against the Dutch in 1797 at the Battle of Camperdown. Somehow, the Dutch just keep sneaking their way into these videos!
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Actually Jingles... The quote "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today" was from Admiral Beatty, not Admiral Jellicoe. Don't worry though, it was entirely his fault for pressuring the officers and men to remove the safety systems in an attempt to improve rate of fire, resulting in spare charges being held in the turrets, and interlocks between the magazines and handling rooms being removed. Further, don't worry more, this had no detrimental effect on his career, as he went on to be First Sea Lord between 1919 and 1927.
The Mad Minute worked well for the Army; not necessarily as well for the Navy.
@@WalterReimer Though, the Army did tend to avoid purposefully setting up their artillery magazines to explode if the enemy had the audacity to return fire.
AND. Jingles did voice-over work in Drachinifels excellent battle of Jutland videos.
All true. But the armour on the battlecruisers could be penetrated directly anyhow. Indefatigable (6" armour) was likely sunk by a direct magazine penetration. As was the Hood. And British cordite, unlike German cordite (see Seydlitz), exploded rather than burned....
Last I knew, this is regarded as an apophrycal quote (that is, did not actually happen). But it's a good story.
"Howdy folks, hope you're all having a good one, and welcome back to World of Broken Replays with Rear Admiral Jingles"
Lmao
Saw Flambass rush the middle of Two Brothers in an aircraft carrier once, and *still* made it work. It was just jaw-dropping.
In a carrier!? What did he do, go the Daniel Rusev route and made it a secondary build carrier?
@@tsunami729 Wouldn’t surprise me if he went balls deep with the Zeppelin.
@@tsunami729 I believe he was in Kaga if the original comment is about the same match im thinking of. He had 2 division mates as well.
Flambass could sail a turd down the middle of two brothers and still make it work!! That guy is just hilariously epic 😂😂😂
@@sunshower6560 Nope, it was a Kaga th-cam.com/video/Zkt6J_MwIrA/w-d-xo.html&t
Don’t forget that the floating storages of aviation fuel and ammo known as CVs are one of the classes (can you guess the second?) which are immune to *Detonation.*
Wasn't it Admiral Beatty who said something along the lines of, "there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today"?
And our bloody system. He made this remark after Queen Mary blew up while he was chasing Hipper’s Battlecruiser Squadron. Come on Jingles.
It was Beatty who said that to his Flag Captain Chatfield.
"Uuuuh actually Jingles"
@@johnfisher9692 Beatty then went on to blame his failures on his Flag Officer, Seymour, whom he employed in that role knowing that Seymour wasn't qualified as a Flag Officer and hadn't completed training in fleet communications. Seymour had a mental breakdown and died by suicide in the early 20s after Beatty essentially publicly laid the blame for the losses at Jutland on his shoulders.
@@DERP_Squad the sign of a good leader...always make sure there is someone in line to take the blame if things go South!
Can we take a second to appreciate the final map position of the Haarlem? Still protected by that island, long after the carrier had left.
The G3 design were actually very, very powerful and had an armour scheme that was unsurpassed by any other battlecruiser; in fact the armour was better than some battleships. The N3 design, the battleship companions to the G3s, would have had guns matching the Yamato class and armour that was even thicker. Vert much kick-ass ships had they been built.
World of Warships doesn't measure all-or-nothing internal armour schemes that well, so ships with that armour schemes end up eating significant amounts of penetration damage on the unarmoured parts of their hulls and superstructures.
Exactly. My favorite discription of the G3s goes like so:
An Iowa class, but 20 years earlier, and with better armor.
Yeah, don't tell me these things were badly protected, also, imagine the refit potential.
@@forcea1454 WOWS doesn’t measure any armour schemes very well. Ships that don’t have the all or nothing style just get chewed to bits through their superstructure.
The last time WoWS accurately did citadel armor, was also the last time there was only 2 tech trees in the game.
@@novatopaz9880 Cleveland has two cits, small ones. Somehow it grew vertically a lot, and runs nose to tail. But, once upon a time ...
Jingles videos are such a joy and a pleasure. No matter hwo crap the day is, listening to his knowledge and laughter is just the fucking best.
"There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today" Adm David Beatty
....and historically Jingles is wrong : The British BCs (HMS Indefatigable, HMS Queen Mary and HMS Invincible - ironic name there ) all got blown to pieces (well detonated in the WoWs' sense) by German 11" Battlecruiser Guns, not the 13"-15" guns deployed by the BB in that battle. While the German Battlecruisers - better armoured with smaller guns (11" vs 12" and up to 15" in in HMS Renown and HMS Repulse ) took a monstrous pounding by everyone and every shell type including 15" shell hits ( on KMS Seydlitz ) but made it home safely except for KMS Lützow who sank on the way back because on the retreat she could not be assisted in pumping out her smashed bows.
Goes to show : you can build sturdy BCs who do their job and make it home, just't don't follow the "pack of cats" doctrine with speed as their armour that the Royal Navy espoused
If Beatty had self-awareness, it would have been 'there's something wrong with my gunnery practice, flag officer and my own brain today'
@@mynameiswritinwater Nothing wrong with speed as your armour in practice or theory. Just don't send them into battle with lax safety standards and poor gunnery against large caliber enemy weapons. Even if Beatty had been more competent, they still weren't designed for that. Notably, he squandered the large range advantage the bigger guns on his BCs compared to their German equivalents due to incompetence, robbing the British of the opportunity to counter superior German armour with their superior guns.
@@mynameiswritinwater Technically, the 11 and 12-inch guns on the German BCs were the same guns as what their BBs had. The German capital ships just used smaller guns than the British ones across the board. Also, part of the reason several German ships survived as much of a pounding as they did was that the British shells at the time were largely defective. Properly-functioning shells would have sunk at least a couple more German BCs, though it's certainly true that the German BCs were more durable than the British ones.
@@silverhost9782 it also doesn't help when all the battle cruisers ignore safety standards and keep all of the bulkhead doors open to increase reloading speed, effectively increasing the size of the magazines outside of their armor protection and ensuring a massive chain reaction when they got hit.
I almost wanted to correct the mighty jingles when he was describing a carrier as a citadel from the water line to the flight deck.
I was on the now decommissioned USS John F Kennedy. Older carrier.
As I wasn't in the air wing explosive departments, I have seen them parading bombs and missles around not only the hangar Bay but also the flight deck.
A small elevator brought up the ordnance to the hangar Bay from a protective hold deep in the ship. And then the ordnance went to the flight deck by way of the big elevators.
So, yeah. During combat, a carrier IS a probably the best Pickens for instant clapping of their a$$ cheeks.
It is very ironic that people obsess about the battleships that were sunk by airpower when it was the aircraft carriers that were really the most vulnerable to air attack. Basically no battleships sailing as part of a major fleet going at speed in open water were lost to aircraft, all the BBs sunk being either surprised at anchor like at Pearl Harbor or traveling with little to no support, allowing airpower to overwhelm them like Operation Ten Go. Meanwhile, be it Midway or other battles, even well-protected CVs with lots of escorts were being lost regularly because it only took one good hit to start an uncontrollable death spiral for the carrier.
Small correction: the G3's were actually very well armoured. Much like Hood, they would've been fast battleships, just twenty years early. The G3 design was actually, on paper, superior to most WW2 battleships.
I mean, you can say that about anything. Doesn’t mean it holds any bearing in reality. I could make a BB designed with superior armour to any other ship, four quadruple turrets of 510 rifles, and a top speed of 40kts, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually possible to make it.
@@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ work started on the G3s, they were only cancelled because of the washington treaty. they absolutely could have, and would have been built. and if completed, they would have been the most powerful ships afloat.
@@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ The G3's weren't fantasy designs. The Royal Navy completed the design work and were on the cusp of laying down the first keel when the Washington Naval Treaty forced the class's cancellation. The G3's numbers are faily accurate to what the ships would've been like.
Watching this at work, air pods decide to swap to my phone randomly just in time for my laptop to play out loud in the office: "Thor's rosey arse cheeks remain unclapped" LOL
Whoops! 🤣🤣
Jingles, thank you for providing some fun listening and a few laughs this morning!!
The turret layout in the G3 design is basically another type of compromise - we need even with a long ship a lot of power = large machinery spaces (with 1920 tech)
We would like this armament = this type of ammu
How to maximize ? Put the magazines fairly close together with the machinery spaces aft (and use most of our armour budge for these areas.)
A large queen Anne mansion for the command crew between B and X gun battery.
We need a fair bit of armour for installations in the mansion... !
Currently sick but still need to go to school. Thank you Jingles for this slight reprieve.
Also, no DDs in this battle. First time I've seen that before
"Thor's ass cheeks remain un-clapped." Well, there's a reason why you are called Rear Admiral Jingles
Underrated comment
Actually Jingles it was Admiral Beatty who said, "there seems to be something wrong with out bloody ships today."
Jingles?
*Shotgun cocking*
Another day, another battle. Thanks for the video as always! :]
Unlocked this ship a few days ago. Really good ship if you understand angling and overmatch game mechanics.
The mental image of someone getting their ass clapped from the front was quite interesting to say the least.
Jingles:"They're all glass cannons."
:Hood has entered the chat😄
Hood's belt armour was actually comparable to a North Carolina Class Battleship, so jokes and unlucky hits aside, she wasn't really a glass cannon
Hood was designed with a similar level of armour protection to the Queen Elizabeth class BBs: try calling Warspite fragile.
Can I applaud the non clapping of the clappable rosey parts!
That poor Albemarle though, that thing is basically a t5 cruiser stuck at t8. Show a bit of broadside = instant boom.
Worth noting that the British BCs lost at Jutland was during the run south while they were fighting the German BCs, something they *were* intended to do. Additionally as evolutions of the Armoured Cruiser concept BCs were actually intended from the start for most nations as secondary battleline units. It's only really the Americans and some of the very early Brit BCs that were intended to disengage during a fleet action. By the time you get to the G3 design proposals of the early interwar they are clearly still BCs, but have significantly better armouring.
Additionally, forgot to mention it, but WG, modeling of AP performance, "overmatch" and angling is.... incredibly iffy. How a ship and it's armour layout performs in WoWs isn't even vaguely accurate to reality, especially when discussing AoN style armour layouts.
It has been a long time since I laughed out loud on watching a video, but I salute your humor by laughing out loud during the Kearsarge part.
Actually Jingles... Sorry, but couldn't resist. It is somewhat of a myth that battlecruisers were not designed or meant to go up against battleships. In Fisher's initial meetings with the board he had set down to envision and specify the specifications for these new fast armoured cruisers, there was a specific point that was brought up again and again in the design phase. They were not only meant as a fast scouting force but also to act as the fast division of the battle line, to steam ahead and cross the enemy's T.
They were meant to go up against battleships from the very beginning.
And if you see Beatty's deployment of his battlecruisers once he joined up with the Grand Fleet, he did exactly that. Positioned his division ahead of the battle line to act as the line's fast division.
It was Admiral Beattie who made the comment about there seems to be something wrong with our ships today not Jellicoe. This after Princess Royal wax reported to have been blown up when she was actually covered by smoke and gun salvo splashes
WoWS and the word "Bugged" seem so natural together.
For a moment, I thought that this was the Type 45 destroyer... then I realized that this was the never-built G3 battlecruiser. Then I learned that the crazy WoWS driver #Flambass was driving it! Yup, just another classic game of his...
This wasn't flambass, jingles was just talking about him cuz he's known for two brothers
@@kyleroach-smith1291 oh, my bad... oh well.
The funny thing about the kearsarge. He is running an ammo det flag to prevent citadels. His flight deck is a massive AP sponge cause it never damage saturates. Can say this from experience of both fighting and playing kearsarge.
Hurray! Jingles upload
Once Mr Torpedo has left the launcher, he's not your friend
i love that quote from mr. Jingles when he was playing cold waters and got nuked by his own fish xD
Back in the day, my friend use to call me weird for liking the Izumo more than Yamato
I like it for it strange turret placement
Nowadays we have French and British Battle Cruiser that look super awkward, i love it
I love seeing aggressive gameplay from someone that knows what they're doing.
Hell yes, just a couple days ago I watched Flambass push Two Brothers mid in the Graf Zeppelin.
I'm currently grinding through the British battlecruiser tech tree. The lack of armor makes them challenging and I frankly wasn't having that much fun with the lower tier ships, but I'm up to Hawke at T8 now and it is a surprisingly good ship - I had one of my best ever games in it yesterday. As Jingles said, you have to recognize your shortcomings while playing to your strengths and you can do well... just don't think you can go head-to-head with REAL battleships! 😳
I wasn't aware the T9 was a G3 design - something to look forward to.😎👍
Really? I'm at the Hawke and the guns, at least for me, have been surprisingly poor. I haven't enjoyed it too much, which is a shame because I was fine with the grind until I got the tier 8.
@@dundermuff3402 It may well depend on the situation. Yesterday I had one of my best games ever in the Hawke: today I got smacked and sunk almost immediately. In any ship if you get in a bad situation and can't escape easily you're going to get hurt: a battlecruiser's lack of armor just makes things that much worse. I do find the Hawke's larger guns more effective than the earlier tier ships - that may just be me.
That's fair. The 406's are certainly nice when cruisers try and bow in. Although I've had terrible luck on broadside cruisers for some reason.
@@dundermuff3402 It all depends on RNG. Yesterday I obliterated several broadside cruisers; today I blasted away all (admittedly short) game before finally sinking an Atago. It is what it is.
That was a great game. I love those torpedoes! They look drunk, lol
I think it appropriate that the British had a Naval Admiral named 'Goodenough" speaks so well of the standards involved..
I nearly only had good games with that ship. I like the Duncan.
As a matter fact Jingles, Bismarck and affiliates' turtleback armor scheme has one weakness. It's very vulnerable to 45 degree from the bow or stern at whatever range. You can joust a Bismarck and punch right through it if you fire under turret Anton or Dora at the right angle. Also works on GKs, and other high tier German fatties. On lower tiers, just fire at the bow section with an angle of 45 degrees, it works with other nations BBs as well.
I also tried it in Antlantic Fleet. If you don't aim for the center of the ship but under the turrets, a King George can sink a Bismarck in two salvos. I think the Brits didn't know how to really use their guns, they were trained with a 19th Century aiming tactic whereas the engineers where aware of armor angles. In short, Rodney and King Goerge could have sunk the Bismarck much more quickly if they aimed their guns more accurately to tactical effect instead of just pummeling the target down. (of course at too short range, it's not possible...)
There is no such thing as a perfect armor scheme in fact.
Admiral Jellicoe.. " The prelude to Battle is the responsibility of the Engine Room Department."
I really hope we get a N3 as a premium T10 British BB, maybe steel or coal
The torpedos are so comical "Go go gadget torpedo!" ~~~~~~~
Well to be fair, that Ibuki HAD about two thirds of its health before the captain was reminded that he's in a cruiser. Thor just managed to finish the poor bastard off.
jingles welcome back!!!!!!!!
Actually, Jingles, I've citadeled many a carrier (though not a hybrid) even with HE shells.
I love that somehow the ship designers at WGing have gone full British when it comes to ship designs now.
The age of the Battleship ended, and yet they want to make Battlecarriers
Jingles, I just got the Duncan.
"Akshually, Jingles..."
I have citadeled plenty of CVs that weren't low health.
And Pan-Asian cruisers get a torpedo reload booster starting at T8 (maybe T7?)
12:26 -- citadel on a Russian BB giving full broadside at point-blank range? I call hax! That's impossible unless Thor was using some kind of cheat. 🤣
Honestly, two borthers middle rush meme has always been a thing, when I still had people I could play with we always went through it, and for some utterly braindead reason, we mostly succeeded.
Also, people still underestimate the British Battlecruiser line, the Duncan and St.vincent are straight up broken. They can outrun cruisers, keep up with some DD's. guns hit like a truck, have good reload, British HE, wiggle torps can also hit like a truck, have low cooldown, reprint half your HP.
It took forever for people to wake up and see just how broken they are.
Also, Sejong has 4x4 tubes on two sides and a Torpedo reload booster, sooo, you can send out 32 torps out rather quickly.
those torpedoes are so funny to watch, lmao.
Hey Jingles appreciate the videos
I love the fact that there's a panasian dd lurking around where there's actually no dd in that match
Hello Jingles! Hope you're having a great day!
Glad to see some know their history and who said what (and that it was his fault that the Battlecruisers were more vulnerable than they should have been).
I really wished AA did something. I can shoot a handfull of them down in my Izumo. But it's never ever enough. Especially when you are focused on by a CV.
Good morning Rear Admiral Jingles
Battlecruisers...eggshells armed with sledgehammers.
Got to note. While the G3 was never built. The Keel was laid. So the designs were finalized and not unengineered sketches like most of a certain other nation.
Edit: according to drach the G3 should have been better armored then an Iowa and KGV. So there's wargames bullshit.
I've never taken a trip to the salt mines... but wasn't it Beatty who said the "there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today" line not Jellicoe?
yeah jingles got a lot wrong this vid. that's ok he's our entertaining old man, just don't take him too seriously when he talks history
Fun fact the G3 battle cruisers were nearly made as the keels had been layed down by the time the Washington naval treaty ended it as well as many other fun big old ships
Jellico? It was Beatty that said that!
I didn't expect to like the weird turret layout of the Duncan but it hasn't hindered me yet. Quite like her, actually.
As per your video description, these Dutch people don't just keep popping up in your videos, they are also sneaking into your comment section!
Take that Jingles! And have a pleasant day.
Ow and that Haarlem was thoroughly useless. The friendly carrier went further ahead than that ship did. Sad Dutch noises.
I think Mid-Rushing on Two Brothers is equal parts Flambass’s fault, and Yuro’s fault. The SEA meme lord put his fair share of work into making it a widespread meme.
I sure hope we can stay safe until the next video!
battle cruisers are fun to play. just have to remember they are squishy.
Earliest I've ever been to a jingles vid blessed to be here this early lol
hybrids are so fun to play with was havin fun in my gebard we had ise that playd his ship like a cw sat behind an ilsand
Fun fact: the one time a battleship vs battleship duel occurred in the Pacific, IJN Kirishima badly lost to USS Washington who had better radar and aiming systems.
To be fair, that was a 27 year old battlecruiser fighting a brand new fast battleship. And Washington got the first salvos in, since Kirishima was busy pounding the hapless South Dakota. That fight was only going to end one way.
Wasn't that at night, though? So of course the radar equipped ships will win.
.....*awkwardly glances at the full health Serov that I got two citadels against and deleted from existence earlier today while driving my Hyuga*
Admittedly, was World of Warships: Legends on the XBone, so I'm sure there will be people screaming 'that doesn't count', but well...there you have it.
just played against a game against a Duncan, it is so broken. the repair is so fucking OP
Morning Mighty Jangles
Jingles: you assignment now is to watch all of Drach's Dry Dock episodes (in entirety) going back to the dawn of time for that one...even I, an unschooled former Colonial know the correct answer to that one?
The concept of the battlecruiser should have remained in the roll of cruiser hunter/cruiser killer. I don't know what the Royal Navy, ESPECIALLY First Sea Lord Jackie Fisher, were thinking putting battlecruisers in the battleline with full-fledged battleships duking it out with enemy battleships. They shouldn't be considered capital ships because of the roll they're primarily to do. Which is why the USS Alaska was the perfect idea and concept of the battlecruiser doctrine. Not as big as the Iowa-class battleships, but bigger and heavily armed than the Baltimore-class and Des Moines-class heavy cruisers and just as fast. The ships that were envisioned like the Alaska fit the roll of what a battlecruiser really is. Anyways, great video as always, Jingles. Love the history talk you normally put out with these videos.
Comparing 1900s-1910s BCs to Alaska is a bit unfair. Back then, a distinction between fast capital ships and slow capital ships was necessary due to technological limitations, especially in terms of the power plants available. You simply couldn't have BB armour and guns with BC speed on the same ship without trying to build some absurd 100k ton monster. By the time Alaska appeared, BCs weren't even a thing any more, since they had merged with BBs to create the fast battleship concept.
At that point, with the extremely cost inefficient nature of the Alaskas, just building fast battleships was a better idea anyway, hence why the Iowas survived significantly longer than Alaska or Guam.
@@silverhost9782 True. I forgot to factor in the technological limitations between them. Though, it does go without question that even when the Alaska-class was being built, the characteristic of the battlecruiser is there.
@@NFS_Challenger54 I agree, although suggesting that the Alaskas were BCs or even BC-esque does tend to annoy some people i've noticed, so be careful with that one lol
@@NFS_Challenger54 it's not: the Alaskas were designed as bigger Baltimores and had neither the speed nor the guns to be classified as battlecruisers. 305mm guns might have been battleship calibre in early WW1 but by WW2 they wouldn't even have been considered.
@@silverhost9782 Hey, I'm American and it doesn't bother me one bit.
OMG THATS ME! YOU MADE MY DAY
The G3's were actually very well armored, had they been built beyond a keel their armor layout would have been thicker than any other battleship built except for the Yamato. They are "battlecruisers" by the sense of speed, not armor as during the 20s when the G3's and N3's were finalized, the intent was to have two types of Battleships, one Faster but with smaller guns and slightly worse armor, and one slower with heavier guns and better armor. Despite that the British Battle cruisers rivaled the armor layouts of their rivals battleships.
You can citadel carriers reliably, but you have to use HE, otherwise it’s overpen.
[incendiary bombs] Well said.
Oh boy two brothers, this should be fun
#ActuallyJingles the PA Cruisers have smoke and torp reload booster
Stay safe HMS Daring, Dauntless, Dimond, Dragon, Defender, Duncan and their crews.
I mean to be completely fair to the British during the Battle of Jutland, at least 2 of the 3 battle cruisers (HMS Indefatigable and HMS Queen Mary) were sunk by Admiral Hipper’s battle cruisers. It was only HMS Invincible that was sunk by german battleships.
World of Warships or a some Brits call it Carry on Warships, you make Wargamblings game mechanics sound so bl**dy hilarious Oh Mighty One 🍺🇬🇧🍺
A battlecruiser is a battleship wearing bathing trunks, wifebeater and golfcap.
I think the old argument about battlecruisers should not be in the battle line is incorrect. Keep in mind that both fleets in Jutland, the battlecruisers were NOT in the main battle line. They were in separate scouting divisions. The idea being that they would be ahead of the fleet and outgun any enemy scouting formations (cruisers) they encountered. They would scout the enemy formation and then return allowing the main line battleships to do the heavy fighting. In both fleets, they attempted to perform this duty. The German battlecruisers who were outnumbered and theoretically outgunned turned to draw the British battlecruiser back to the German battle line. The British battlecruisers upon spotting the German battle line turned to draw the German fleet back to the British battle line. The Queen Elizabeth battleships were attached to the battlecruiser squadron because they were faster than the rest of the battleships and sticking them in the main battle line would negate that advantage. By putting them with the battlecruisers, if they encountered German battlecruisers, they would provide extra ships with super heavy guns and armor. As for vulnerability, the German battlecruisers took heavier beatings than any other ships and the only one lost would have still made port if the pumps hadn't failed. The British battlecruisers were famous in the fleet for the rapid rate of fire. They achieved this by bypassing almost every shell handling safety precaution with predictable results. Admiral Beatty should have been flogged for this.
Isn't it about time you had a promotion Juingles? lol
That sun yat sen should have slapped him so hard...
I hate to be the "Actually Jingles" guy, but the british battleruiser didnt trade shots with the German BB's when they exploded, They fought the German BC's.
“Clap his asscheeks from the front” Jingles 😂😂😂
The Talon probably got caught on a submerged rco/part of the island.
Was it not "there's something wrong with our bloody ships"
Ughh jingles it wasn’t jellicoe who said that quote that was admiral sir David Beatty who was in charge of the British battle cruisers at Jutland…@themightyjingles
Great game have not tried the BC yet will have to start, I think he wanted revenge for the Hood, After all a single torp hit did in a way cause the Bismarcks death
That was an amazing game, played quite well BUT (ofc theres a but) this mans tendency to extinguish every single fire makes my toenails curl up. If the enemy would have had just this tiny bit more RNG- luck thor would have been dead probably by the time he cleared the right flank.
He didn't seem to realise his heal was improved either. Completely wasted his 1st and nearly did the same with his 2nd.
Actually Jingles, that comment at Jutland was from Admiral Beatty not Jellicoe.
Bismarck: *Killed British Battlecruiser*
Also Bismarck: It ain’t much, but it’s honest work.
G3 battlecruiser armour was as thick as WW2 battleship armour using new boiler tech and a flat stern (can’t remember the name).
If the Kearsarge is anything like the new hybrid US line, it’s hard to cit not because of the flight deck, but because the entire citadel is underwater.
wish the Forrest Sherman torps worked like the Duncan