Looks better than some electric boxes I’ve been in where they could care less what color they were using. You at least made it clear that your greens Are hot. At the price a copper right now you have to do what you gotta do though and I think it turned out great.
Seeing your boy smile made my day on this video bro. God bless your family thanks for sharing this I'm working on my own and this helped me see what I needed to do. 😎🤘
i understand why you made the both green wires hot instead when you got to the subpanel. for simplicity and covering them both with black tape made it identifiable. great job
As an electrician the only problem that I see is that the green wires are completely covered and you have a white on the isolated ground bus. Finnish covering the greens as much as possible and paint or tape the white wire green and you would be good to go. Great job though.
If I do this myself, I can save some money. Well, I say, put an electrician on a "Picnic - tainer". ( A retainer paid for with a picnic basket) or beer or whatever. A quick visit by them can get you more knowledge than you need and you can still do the work. Little points might help greatly. PVC piping is to be supported not to exceed 3.feet. That is a lot of ladder movement to reach the pipe. EMT is to be supported not to exceed every 10 feet. EMT can be bent with a tool, but your new buddy might be able to bend it at work from scrap. And much more.
As an electrical guy, there is a seperate nec section for welders, however. 210.8 talks about accessory buildings, shops, and garages needing gfci protection for all recepticles. Double check in your individual are to make sure you are good for your build.
I have a hottub breaker in my backyard which has 4 wires. 1 red, 1 black, 1 white, and 1 copper ground. I know the white and black wires are my 2 hots for the 240v. But which wire do I put in my 3rd prong the copper ground or the white neutral?
Really coming along nicely! I see a lift in the background, is it going up soon and are you planning on covering the floor at all? I'm getting ready to put up a 56x112x16 storage building and I have also ordered a few lifts (single & double) from Advantage Lifts and will be putting commercial epoxy on the floor. It's so hard trying to find a good piece of land to build on that's flat and ready to go!
Thanks. It’s race tools direct lift going up next week hopefully. I’d like to get epoxy soon haven’t priced anything yet though. Yea land is super hard to find around here also.
The whole part of wanted to see was how you connect a plug to the metal cable at the ends and you didn’t do it. I want to disconnect my water heater hard wired, and put a plug on the end of it. And then a wall outlet. Which is better 3 pronged or 4 pronged 220?
Where can I buy the male and female plug plus the outlet. Will you please send me the website where I can buy the necessary parts so that I can make a welding extention cord and outlet. I already have the wire guage #8. Thank you very much.
Great video as usual! On a 240v outlet, the white wire (on this case) are neutral or ground? I understand that both should be the same but I just wonder. May be a fellow electrician can help me on this one
@ Maximiliano Besso- the white the way he used it in this scenario is ground. But just to slide information your way since you asked. The ground and neutral are different. The neutral normally Carry’s current as a return path back to source. The ground only carry’s current if a fault happens like a hot touching a ground (ground fault) or hot touching neutral (short ciruit). The Neutral and ground are only connected at the first means of disconnect from the transformer feeding your house. That can be at the meter, the main panel, or even at the service drop although most times it’s in the meter where I am or the main panel. For si panels they are separated to keep the return current from traveling on the ground as it would be paralleled back to the panel. I hope that helps you. Also I will add that a neutral that is below size # 4 has to be white insulation or black with 3 white or yellow stripes it can’t be reidentified with white tape, a # 4 or bigger may be reidentified by phase tape or other means. And while the colors he used aren’t what we normally use for this type of install. He did reidentify the hots, and as far as I know it doesn’t violate any codes I’m aware of.
Thanks mate, I just bought a 200A MMA machine and was worrying a bit about this. I'll try it in a regular outlet and keep an eye on the wiring... Here in the Philippines the locals will plug in anywhere and stick weld just about anything vaguely metal.
I ran it high just to have room on the wall for shelves and workbench space really. The other walls I’ll probably run them mid wall. Thanks for watching
@@keithharrington8715 yeah honestly I didn’t even look for a code but I knew I didn’t want my power conduit always being right there on the wall having to deal with and go around all the time.
im looking to run a Lincoln electric 180T-HD which also has the 3 prong factory install male prong plug. I need to install the same setup to my main breaker box which is GE branded. My question is can I use 8/2 romex for a 2-pole 40amp breaker or do I need to run the separate strands like you did....
The the gfci breaker I agree with, but the # 8 wire he used in this video since it is Thhn is rated for 50 amps in the table 310.15(b)(16) in the 75 degree C column because the receptacle and breaker are rated at 75 degree C. So you can use #8 but if he had used romex he would have had to use number 6 because although the insulation rating is 90 degree C the NEC says you have to use it at the 60 degree C column. That in article 334 if I’m. Or mistaken. Codes are changing, different states have adopted different code cycles and all are not on the same cycle, but the gfci breaker I would agree should since it’s a workshop outside of the home should be gfci protected.
Yes sir that’s why I and everyone should take the bonding strap off the sub panel. It Separates the ground and neutral bars. Then add a grounding rod to the sub panel! Safe and sound
In summary, there are two or three NEC violations here. It certainly wouldn't pass inspection in my area: (1) Green can't be reidentified as black, and white can't be reidentified as green, ever. (2) PVC must be glued. In fact it must be glued before the any wires are pulled (so you can't even use the trick of adding the box after pulling the wire through). (3) If you are on NEC 2020 or later, every receptacle in a garage must be GFCI protected.
What about a traveler white being designated as hot? That’s a white to black. I hear ya about inspectors making silly rules but they’re just that, silly rules. The pipe is line of site and both end can plainly be seen in the panel and the outlet this is a satisfactory install IMO.
Yup, I would never run the wrong color line and who cares if the pipe is line of site. This particular line wasn't that long, spend the money and buy the right stuff. We can't classify whether a rule is silly, just follow them and we'll all be much safer. Oh sh*t, I see another comment asking about neutrals and grounds and copper. Leave the volts and amps to the pros!
I'm going to reach out to you because you seem qualified to answer, can I connect two 20 amp individual circuits to the outlet to achieve the necessary voltage at outlet?
A wiggy is more of a double check for peace of mind - I never trust one by itself to check if a panel is on or off, that's what my meter is for. After a slum lord almost killed me with bootlegged power from a separate building to a dishwasher I was replacing (I had the panel off on the unit I was working on) I now; Cut the Power - Test the Power - Short the wires just to be sure. Getting hit with 110v while laying in a puddle of water was not a good start to the day.
Please "DON'T!" -- you have just canceled all your insurance coverage on the building . If it is an attached garage, house coverage is gone too ! Insurance Companies check for wiring violations before any payouts and will use that to NOT pay any claims sighting found electrical violations.
You’re not allowed to use green cable and identify it as a feeder And I read in the comment before that it someone said tape up the green can I do that the insulation rating is not the same
Cuteness alert with the little electrician's apprentice! Dad made it look easy. Nice video.
Thank you!
your video made my 220v anxiety cease and I am doing pretty much exactly the same setup, so thank you
Looks better than some electric boxes I’ve been in where they could care less what color they were using. You at least made it clear that your greens Are hot. At the price a copper right now you have to do what you gotta do though and I think it turned out great.
Thanks man. I was thinking about buying black but just couldn’t bring myself to lol. It’s pricey for sure.
Thanks for the vacuum trick....wish I knew about it at 2am when I accidentally pulled the string back into the pipe. Thank you!
Seeing your boy smile made my day on this video bro. God bless your family thanks for sharing this I'm working on my own and this helped me see what I needed to do. 😎🤘
Thank you very much I’m glad it could help someone! Thanks for the support
i understand why you made the both green wires hot instead when you got to the subpanel. for simplicity and covering them both with black tape made it identifiable. great job
Thank you
The fans an circuit boards usually run off 120v , making the white wire a neutral not a ground.
As an electrician the only problem that I see is that the green wires are completely covered and you have a white on the isolated ground bus. Finnish covering the greens as much as possible and paint or tape the white wire green and you would be good to go. Great job though.
Thank you. Hopefully getting some green tape tomorrow to finish it up.
So a typical home can handle a decent amperage welder?
Like the work you do and the content that you share.
I'm wiring a adapter for my welder to 30 amp generator plug. It doesn't matter which side the hots go?
@@hinds90 Correct, the only issue was how they were identified.
Pretty good, gave u a like because of your kid.
If I do this myself, I can save some money.
Well, I say, put an electrician on a
"Picnic - tainer". ( A retainer paid for with a picnic basket) or beer or whatever.
A quick visit by them can get you more knowledge than you need and you can still do the work.
Little points might help greatly. PVC piping is to be supported not to exceed 3.feet. That is a lot of ladder movement to reach the pipe. EMT is to be supported not to exceed every 10 feet. EMT can be bent with a tool, but your new buddy might be able to bend it at work from scrap.
And much more.
If anyone gets confused by this wiring scheme they should not be opening any panel or outlets
I pull my wire through as I install each section of conduit. I can't imagine pulling all that wire at once through those bends.
It actually pulls super easy
As an electrical guy, there is a seperate nec section for welders, however. 210.8 talks about accessory buildings, shops, and garages needing gfci protection for all recepticles.
Double check in your individual are to make sure you are good for your build.
I have a hottub breaker in my backyard which has 4 wires. 1 red, 1 black, 1 white, and 1 copper ground. I know the white and black wires are my 2 hots for the 240v. But which wire do I put in my 3rd prong the copper ground or the white neutral?
Really coming along nicely! I see a lift in the background, is it going up soon and are you planning on covering the floor at all? I'm getting ready to put up a 56x112x16 storage building and I have also ordered a few lifts (single & double) from Advantage Lifts and will be putting commercial epoxy on the floor. It's so hard trying to find a good piece of land to build on that's flat and ready to go!
Thanks. It’s race tools direct lift going up next week hopefully. I’d like to get epoxy soon haven’t priced anything yet though. Yea land is super hard to find around here also.
Nice Job
Thanks!
Are you not gluing the PVC 10' sections?
No not at this time. Since there not underground and it’s just a few I like to keep my options open in case I ever want to move it.
The whole part of wanted to see was how you connect a plug to the metal cable at the ends and you didn’t do it. I want to disconnect my water heater hard wired, and put a plug on the end of it. And then a wall outlet. Which is better 3 pronged or 4 pronged 220?
Pretty sure using green wires as hots is how covid 19 started 🤣😅. Just kidding, great job and the shop is looking great 👍
😂 😂 thanks man!
Where can I buy the male and female plug plus the outlet. Will you please send me the website where I can buy the necessary parts so that I can make a welding extention cord and outlet. I already have the wire guage #8. Thank you very much.
I have the exact same welder :)
awesome you still like it.
Its almost collectable now lol
Yea man. Love it. It does everything I need it to. Funny thing is I am wiring up my new shop for it too.. 🫡🤷
This is great thanks
Great video as usual! On a 240v outlet, the white wire (on this case) are neutral or ground? I understand that both should be the same but I just wonder. May be a fellow electrician can help me on this one
Thank you!
@ Maximiliano Besso- the white the way he used it in this scenario is ground. But just to slide information your way since you asked. The ground and neutral are different. The neutral normally Carry’s current as a return path back to source. The ground only carry’s current if a fault happens like a hot touching a ground (ground fault) or hot touching neutral (short ciruit). The Neutral and ground are only connected at the first means of disconnect from the transformer feeding your house. That can be at the meter, the main panel, or even at the service drop although most times it’s in the meter where I am or the main panel. For si panels they are separated to keep the return current from traveling on the ground as it would be paralleled back to the panel. I hope that helps you. Also I will add that a neutral that is below size # 4 has to be white insulation or black with 3 white or yellow stripes it can’t be reidentified with white tape, a # 4 or bigger may be reidentified by phase tape or other means. And while the colors he used aren’t what we normally use for this type of install. He did reidentify the hots, and as far as I know it doesn’t violate any codes I’m aware of.
In the case of most 240 volt welders there doesn't need to be a neutral, the 110 volts is made within the transformer of the machine. Hope this helps.
Where did you get the gang box?
home depot i believe
Wait, is the white wire neutral? Or is it just the ground like a copper wire?
I apologise first. Here in the UK we just plug the welder in as normal using that very British Ring Main and standard plug fitted with a 13 Amp fuse.
Thanks mate, I just bought a 200A MMA machine and was worrying a bit about this. I'll try it in a regular outlet and keep an eye on the wiring... Here in the Philippines the locals will plug in anywhere and stick weld just about anything vaguely metal.
A fat black jiffy marker would have turned the green wires to black much quicker and easier than taping them ?
Wry true
Very true
Why did you have to run your conduit thru the ceiling and down instead of, say 44” above floor”, was that a code requirement?
I ran it high just to have room on the wall for shelves and workbench space really. The other walls I’ll probably run them mid wall. Thanks for watching
I do not know of a code requirement on this. It is just bueaty or space consideration on the wall.
@@keithharrington8715 yeah honestly I didn’t even look for a code but I knew I didn’t want my power conduit always being right there on the wall having to deal with and go around all the time.
im looking to run a Lincoln electric 180T-HD which also has the 3 prong factory install male prong plug. I need to install the same setup to my main breaker box which is GE branded. My question is can I use 8/2 romex for a 2-pole 40amp breaker or do I need to run the separate strands like you did....
8/2 Romeo is fine
Where is the gfci and where it the 6 gauge wire ?
The the gfci breaker I agree with, but the # 8 wire he used in this video since it is Thhn is rated for 50 amps in the table 310.15(b)(16) in the 75 degree C column because the receptacle and breaker are rated at 75 degree C. So you can use #8 but if he had used romex he would have had to use number 6 because although the insulation rating is 90 degree C the NEC says you have to use it at the 60 degree C column. That in article 334 if I’m. Or mistaken. Codes are changing, different states have adopted different code cycles and all are not on the same cycle, but the gfci breaker I would agree should since it’s a workshop outside of the home should be gfci protected.
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That boy is gonna be a chick magnet in about 12 years!😊
Haha yes sir he is!
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PVC indoors?? By code don’t you gotta use emt??
sub panels need a separate ground bar
Yes sir that’s why I and everyone should take the bonding strap off the sub panel. It Separates the ground and neutral bars. Then add a grounding rod to the sub panel! Safe and sound
You can't use green for hot
Just wondering why you didn’t use 2 whites taped color and green as ground?
Well I guess now I’m wondering also. 😂
@@ProjectDadLife Life will go on!
In summary, there are two or three NEC violations here. It certainly wouldn't pass inspection in my area: (1) Green can't be reidentified as black, and white can't be reidentified as green, ever. (2) PVC must be glued. In fact it must be glued before the any wires are pulled (so you can't even use the trick of adding the box after pulling the wire through). (3) If you are on NEC 2020 or later, every receptacle in a garage must be GFCI protected.
What about a traveler white being designated as hot? That’s a white to black. I hear ya about inspectors making silly rules but they’re just that, silly rules. The pipe is line of site and both end can plainly be seen in the panel and the outlet this is a satisfactory install IMO.
Yup, I would never run the wrong color line and who cares if the pipe is line of site. This particular line wasn't that long, spend the money and buy the right stuff. We can't classify whether a rule is silly, just follow them and we'll all be much safer. Oh sh*t, I see another comment asking about neutrals and grounds and copper. Leave the volts and amps to the pros!
Damn I guess wires can change there genders too like these woke chicks do
I'm going to reach out to you because you seem qualified to answer, can I connect two 20 amp individual circuits to the outlet to achieve the necessary voltage at outlet?
A wiggy is more of a double check for peace of mind - I never trust one by itself to check if a panel is on or off, that's what my meter is for.
After a slum lord almost killed me with bootlegged power from a separate building to a dishwasher I was replacing (I had the panel off on the unit I was working on) I now; Cut the Power - Test the Power - Short the wires just to be sure. Getting hit with 110v while laying in a puddle of water was not a good start to the day.
No PVC glue?? Lol
Years ago I worked with a guy and he got fired because he marked a green wire in a panel This Is Red.
Please "DON'T!" -- you have just canceled all your insurance coverage on the building . If it is an attached garage, house coverage is gone too ! Insurance Companies check for wiring violations before any payouts and will use that to NOT pay any claims sighting found electrical violations.
Did you mean a two man or a man and a woman job?
Either way is effective if you work together
You’re not allowed to use green cable and identify it as a feeder And I read in the comment before that it someone said tape up the green can I do that the insulation rating is not the same
You guys don’t believe in PVC glue ??
So in order to save money. You are willing to let someone get hurt later on if they work on that box.