All this talk about “killing Overwatch” is overblown. I switched to rivals and it’s been way more fun for me personally. If it no longer becomes fun, then I’ll play a different game.
💯☝🏻 this It's just a lot of fun. I lost my interest in Overwatch2 about half a year ago - only played it here and there. Marvel Rivals gives me the fun I was missing in OW2 which was there 2022 but lost over 2024.
I’m having more fun on Rivals than I’ve had on overwatch in years. Peak Overwatch will always be the best game I’ve ever played but that was so long ago man and I don’t know if we’ll ever return to that. It’s too little too late from Blizzard. Overwatch should have been the biggest game in the world but they fumbled it time after time. I won’t be going back to overwatch unless they do something drastic.
and for me, I cant get behind 3rd person its not natural enough for me, which is why I preferred apex over fortnite. I also cant get behind a lack of optimization or balance. Its a very fun game im sure, but its not at all filling the niche I need from OW.
Aside from no self regen, Optimization is a major factor keeping me from playing Rivals much, otherwise it's a fun game, Tank synergy is fun, I don't feel like I'm hitting a brick wall trying to get elims, play making feels good OW has just felt like a blur the past couple months & sometimes I'll go back to TF2 to scratch that itch. I just hope MR remains a strong competitor for years to come, we kinda need it rn.
@@whatisthis9951 Sick insult bro. You quite literally said the most generic, overused insult on the internet. If this guy is an NPC you are the boss of NPCs.
I like Marvel, it's pretty fun tbh, and it has had a successful launch no doubt. But the real test for games like this is how they hold up at the 3 month mark, the 6 month mark etc. Something people don't seem to understand.
i mean pubg, fortnite, apex, and warzone all manage to coexist in the battle royale genre because they occupy different niches, same with rivals and OW, they arent the same game, theyre not targetted at the same consumers, they'll live, maybe the genre as a whole grows because of it.
Swapping to expand their brand is one thing, but a lot of creators are pretty burned out with overwatch and are gladly taking the opportunity to try something new that also appeals to the vast majority of their viewerbase. I don't think a long time full swap to rivals will be common, but if things go well it could be a consistent addition to many overwatch streamers' monthly activity.
Its ok to play both. Personally I was ready to go all in on marvel rivals until I realized it throws you in to bot matches after you go on a losing streak and it kinda killed my drive to play.
You're overthinking it-it's pretty straightforward. People switched to Marvel Rivals because they find the gameplay loop more enjoyable than playing against raid-boss-style tanks, which often dictate the outcome of the game with their overwhelming sustain caused by overbuffed support heroes. Rivals offers players more agency, and the intentionally "broken" nature of every character adds to the fun, and it's completely intentional. Meanwhile, more players are hyped for 6v6 in OW2 than ever before, and that's largely because of how tanks impact the gameplay in a very negative way.
Can you really say that? You can only tell if its really intentionally broken and the gameplay loop is fun after some time, when players find a way to really abuse heroes and their abilities, in that moment the developers will be forced to balance it out and then we will know if the gameplay loop is actually enjoyable. For me personally both gameplay loops are enjoyable for the moment. Funnily Overwatch became a little bit enjoyable after Marvel Rivals launched, because the toxic community seem to have switched to Rivals right now.
its because you play against and with 5 other dps players lmao, but on another note, as soon as a anti-dive character is released rivals is gonna turn into goats since the sustain on there is insane
@@Ca_tGirl girl, check the characters. Wolverine, captain america, magneto, hela, those are anti dive and a lot more exist. It's more than what overwatch has to offer.
Some people like Marvel Rivals Some people like Overwatch 2 I don’t see the need for discourse on this - I think it’s more telling of the state of the Overwatch player bases’ mentality at the moment - generally speaking as a community we’re dissatisfied and want something less stale. Rather than discussing “marvel rivals is amazing” or “marvel rivals is trash” or “overwatch glazers” or “marvel rivals glazers” - this isn’t useful and misses what I feel is the compelling issue - Overwatch 2 isn’t evolving, it’s stale, players want something fresh, they find something fresh, they enjoy it - rather than criticising their enjoyment, we should look at why they’re enjoying it so much more
They are enjoying it more because it's that new shiny toy that's the main factor of course Overwatch is more stale it's been out almost an decade now 😂
Overwatch is a much better competitive game, Rivals is a much better casual one, the balancing is an absolute joke in Rivals. Hawkeye and Hela run circles around every other character. Sustain is also way better in Rivals, feels like nothing dies if I miss even one shot on most characters
My friend REALLY wants me to make the switch to rivals. And I told him that I prefer the pacing and flow of overwatch games. Marvel rivals can be pretty fast and hectic, with a large focus on flanking. It's just not for me lol.
It just annoys me all these people who were saying "yeah ow is in a pretty good spot right now, the balance is pretty good, etc." now saying "fxck overwatch, that game sucks." Feels very fake and disingenuous. And then you have people like samito hard glazing rivals when it has many of the same issues that he despises in ow, like tanks that never die, extreme healing/sustain, and lack of player agency. If he doesn't call these things out in MR with the same ferocity that he did with ow then he's gonna look like a massive hypocrite.
im very interested in how rivals will do over time, a lot of people arent thinking about the honeymoon phase (which they dont have to) but wait until its 1 year in and you see similar if not the same exact issues ow and apex have.
@@Cake_uncanny697him using xdefiant and that other one as evidence of overwatch’s continued success was weak (valorant and Fortnite would be far better markers alongside apex legends) - two games that were dead on arrival and had no fanfare are not worth talking about, they made no impact - marvel rivals has - and, I need to stress this - it has been out for just about a week - this has exposed a terrible insecurity within the Overwatch community, we don’t have confidence in the success of our game and that’s a problem - we should really focus on that
Def honeymoon phase. All the creators who were crying about widowmaker last week seem to have no issues with Hawkeye, who not only is the only 1 shotter, but also gets a 20% seasonal damage boost. NO Overwatch creator would brush off a 20% buffed widowmaker. Other things like Peni web being a long range hard cc with a 3 second CD would also never be tolerated in OW and gets called D tier in Rivals lol.
It's competition. Competition is good. I think in a year this game will still be going strong with significantly less players and overwatch will still be doing it's thing too, hopefully with a fire lot under them. Fortnite didn't die when Apex rose up. Nor did PUBG. They thrived together, hated yet played by all. And when the sweats got ahold of valorant, Counter Strike was fine. So too will this be
To be fair, Fortnite hasn’t been the same game in years…Fortnite in 2017 is nowhere near the same as what it is in 2022, hell even 2022 isn’t the same as 2024
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your video was good i just thought it was inaccurate or i disagree about your point at 10:07 stating "I dont think marvel rivals is gunna be a direct competitor to overwatch".. It's about the most 1 to 1 direct competitor to overwatch we've ever seen. No game has competed in as many similar categories as marvel rivals. If marvel rivals isnt a direct competitor to overwatch then what would be or what would it take for you to consider it a direct competitor. It is a direct competitor to overwatch. Not saying its gunna win or better, but its competing in a direct way for sure and with similar playerbases .
It’s the closest competitor ow has had but that still doesn’t mean it’s a direct competitor. People play both games for very different reasons and the vast majority of players that say they’ll quit overwatch did so before even playing marvel rivals
@@DeertickDanielMarvel Rivals was clearly targeted to compete with Overwatch. It's literally the same exact game, except in 3rd person. Come on, they even copied the game modes from Overwatch exactly.
@DjNaste it's more of a direct competitor to paladins than to overwatch2 imo. It's only targeted to compete with ow2 because paladins is hanging by a thread.
Biggest issue with Overwatch is that Blizzard refuses to balance the game to something top level players are asking for. They are not following up on promises and now with the release of Overwatch2, going back to 6v6 after I paid for the game and not being compensated in any way feels like a scam.
Tbh marvel rivals needs to work on the tanks and supports because they're just not as fun as dps are not to say they cant be fun just literally there is more depth with just psylockes kit alone than most tanks and supports
Max 3, it's light yet hard as there's still flexibility but you can't have 4 dps and 1 healer, people will be pushed to learn diverse roles in case they need to swap! I love playing Spider-Man but if I can't perform well, I can always lean back on a tank or support if needed by my team. Max 3 per role still can push diversity in team comps but doesn't allow for comps that force a loss because people are stubborn
I’m only going to play rivals because my friends are playing it. Overwatch is like an abusive ex that I can’t get rid of plus rivals doesn’t have genji 🙂↕️
If they ever added hard role lock into Rivals I will drop it as well. With how comparable tanks to DPSes and how OP supports are you will much rather have at least 1 of them in your team than none. Speaking from personal EXP after 10 hours in the game with some of them in comp
Not scared in the slightest about Rivals. OW is a great game, so it will thrive - especially if some of the worse people of the OW community move over to Rivals for good (they likely won't). Being a great game is not enough (look at Tribes: Ascend), but OW is luckily popular and also well supported enough to continue doing well. Also, I am barely hearing actual positive comments about the gameplay or anything else that indicates long-term health besides "it's Marvel" and "gooning". People might say "it's fun", but not more than that
See, the worst people are the ones who mass report for made up things like hate speech. Overwatch is going to keep that crowd, and that's fine because those are the real toxic gamers.
@@StriderYGO The woke people are the worst people. They will stay with their ideological trash and be in the OW community. The normal people will go to Rivals.
@@mikasoul1332 "scummy cash grab" - Literally free game where you don't need a single cent to get to top 1. Your fault if you feel like you need to have skins. You can play this game on ancient devices on top of that. "unfathomable mess of a game" - crazy take, very insightful. You could have said "agugaga, wuaaaa, mommy where's my pacifier" instead. Same shit tbf
Marvel Rivals is popular because it's a colossal hero IP attached to a decent game (it's no Marvel Avengers or Marvel Heroes). Marvel Rivals is popular because it's the most explicit "not OW therefore good"-like yet in a world where it is hip to hate on OW. Marvel Rivals is the closest in-genre alternative for lapsed or current OW players who weren't satisfied with Blizzard's shooter. Marvel Rivals is a needed and welcome source of competition to inspire and further motivate Team 4 to keep pushing ahead. Marvel Rivals is a source of hilarity and my sides would like to testify on that 2:03 clip if they weren't already dead and in orbit.
I started to play Overwatch in mid season 3 and stopped enjoying it with the season 9 changes. HP buffs, bigger hitboxes, dps passive, super tanks reduced the skill gap and made it too noob friendly.
I think it will just follow the same path as overwatch. Crazy overpowered abilities might be fun at first, but dying to them over and over just isnt. Playing in games that are unbalanced will always happen in hero shooters and allowing free roles will only make it worse. This first period is just about playing something new (even for the S tier creators as the viewers are also interested in the similar big games), but in 2-3 months time we'll get a better idea of its likely longevity.
i wanted to main scarlet witch but her design is so fucking miserable. theres 0 depth going for it, id say shes worse designed than moira or support symmetra...
@@polar6066 she's accurate to the comic books. Continuity may be a strange new concept for you being an overwatch fan, but it is 100% on point and comic book accurate representation.
You people said we was wearing rose tented glasses when we said ow1 was better now yall saying it because we playing a game that's not overwatch smh. Most of people who say overwatch is bad rn are regular ow2 players not content creators unless you think the large streamers are 90% of the player base.
Like how you enthusiastically discuss Overwatch’s competitiveness, ignoring the poor quality of rank/QP matchmaking. No game has caused such massive loss streaks as 15 or 20 losses in a row. This makes the game extremely unfair and unfun to play.
I love Rivals and think it’s better than current OW but OW is NOT going anywhere. Whether you love it or hate it, the success of Rivals is a good thing because now OW has an actual competitor and have to step their game up otherwise Rivals WILL take over
I tried rivals with my mate and it had absolutely zero staying power, fun and flashy in the moment, completely dumb and unbalanced and then we ended the session and never booted it back up. Wait til people play to win and start optimizing such as wanting a balanced team comp, even role queue, start complaining the enemy team has a good sniper player, how ults are completely wackily balanced. It's a fischer price baby jangling keys version of OW. Which is what some casuals or people burnt out on OW want and thats great for them. If only theyd just quietly gtfo the OW community instead of trailing their diaper dookie on the way out.
I know rivals isn’t perfect but thats what makes it good also just to let you know being mistreated by a Dev team for 2 years and still playing the game is not a flex
I've been loving MR but I think a lot of the issues OW ran into were kinda unavoidable, Blizz has definetly done some stupid decisions with OW but everytime someone mentions balance as the reason they're leaving OW to go to MR I just roll my eyes at this point, like buddy just you wait, games like these are extremely hard to balance if you want them to be competitive, and MR does have a competitive mode so they're gonna have to balance it at some point and we have no clue which balancing decisions they'll make with the game What I'm 100% sure of though is that no matter which route they go they'll get backlash from some part of the playerbase, you can't please everyone I'm personally sticking with OW as my preferred shooter game but MR has earned a permanent spot in my hard drive becuase it's just fun to play
They will probably be competitors in the same way fortnite and apex are competitors. Same genre, different gameplay, yet fighting for similar publics. Despite that, overwatch isn't doing much to compete, what is new for the start of this season? Hazard? Winter event? Besides that, the balance patch was meh.
@@whatisthis9951who. Cares. Like.. seriously. Even if they are in the "honey moon phase" Seriously, what is the problem with that? You are having fun, don't like it? Stop playing. You don't lose anything lmao. He is having fun, let him.
@@EraOfKingsMMORPG So what? What's wrong with acknowledging the honeymoonphase and how it's currently affecting peoples view on Rivals aswell as Overwatch? People make Overwatch out to be this really bad game simply because there's another option that isn't shitty Paladins now. Overwatch is not a bad game, when the phase is over people will re-discover the polish, the mechanics and above all the fun that is Overwatch.
@whatisthis9951 I also had a similar honeymoon phase when Halo first released, Resident Evil, Smash Bros., Mario kart. All of those things are still around because of how impactful their release and exposure were. You're coping so hard and it's sad.
And your recent viewership surge doesn't make you bias at all. You're right though, follow the money to find the answer. Ow is the right bet for you, money wise.
Bro marvel rivals tank and support hero design is terrible, Thor and hulk are cool but no way in hell it’s a overwatch replacement with shitty design like that
i dont think rivals will or could kill ow, the only thing that can kill overwatch is team4/microsoft. i personally believe that rivals success will only depend on how bad overwatch does. basically this game is a cockroach and will probably survive way more than anyone can think of, if the game turns into a shop cycle it will still have players, especially kiriko players, who will keep buying the slop skins just like little piggies.
idk who you are but i pretty much said the same thing to myself when i saw your title, then was pleasantry surprised you didnt needlesssly stall yapping and just said the truth in the 1st second of the video
Performance is ass in rivals + no role que, its still fun though more fun than overwatch's giga tank flavor of the month garbage (for now at least, we'll see what next few patches bring that will determine the fate of the game for me)
Rivals is fresh and fun but it has nothing on overwatch in relations to competative. It cannot be taken seriously with this amount of heroes and skills, the janky movement, the janky hitboxes.. Nah.
I’m sorry but I don’t care what anyone says but don’t force role q the game just came out it’s been a week open q is way better and the q times are so much better and the balance I think there already better then Ow dude they just hella buff Orisia and doesn’t address Juno still
the reason people didnt want to play tank and support in ow1 is because there were barely any heroes available to you as a player. to this day, dps is the role with the most amount of heroes. the truth is, role queue or not, variety is what makes people want to play the role, and rivals has more options on release than overwatch did, with many more heroes coming soon
And I guess rivals failed to make people want to play the role too? Every game is 4 dps or 5 dps and 1 tank or healer. Its gonna get even worse once people are done trying the different characters
Yea, it's not like people avoiding responsibility of creating space or keeping their teammates alive by choosing dps, it's all about amount of characters, got it.
Nah as someone who thought marvel rivals was a joke when first announced I am actually having so much fun even when I lose. This unironically might be a overwatch killer, Its season zero so things are not going to be fully competitive or balanced and we are most likely going to get role queue in season 1. Plus people not having a good team comp is mostly a low Elo problem.
Yes but where will the competitive community go if overwatch keeps up these dumbass patches? Probably to rivals, maybe other games, either way you have to take into account how much overwatch just sucks to play atm.
Overwatch has just set the bar so low that it really doesn’t even matter how bad rivals is. And rivals has some major issues, even ignoring the gameplay side of things. It runs like absolute ass (just upgraded to 9800x3d and 4070tis and I can’t even get 240fps at 1080p, absurd). I’ve crashed more times than I ever have in OW. Dr strange portal tanks your frames for some reason. No regs are very common. But you know what? It’s not Overwatch. However unbalanced it is, there aren’t raid boss tanks. There aren’t supports who’ve been given absurd denial abilities while remaining the best duelists in the game. Stuff actually is dying. The bar is on the floor. Marvel rivals doesn’t even compare to the last patch of OW1. Honestly it’s probably even worse than the giga sojourn initial period of OW2. But compared to the current game? It’s like you’re discussing the annoying things of traveling on an airplane when your alternative is to travel by wagon on the Oregon trail. Yeah airplane food sucks, but it doesn’t even make sense to levy that criticism when your alternative is to die by cholera.
Recently uninstall ow2 but no hate to it tho it will do fine with a actual competitor I haven’t had fun playing overwatch2 in a long time I started playing when junker queen was released but every season the game just got more and more boring to me and I only really played it cuz my friends forced me to play tank (which I love playing) but tank in ow2 sucked so bad I couldn’t really enjoy it Well it took awhile but my friends finally realized that they don’t have fun playing ow2 and they also uninstalled now off to greener pastures with characters we like and skins we can actually see in game
Literally 🤣 He mentions "S and A tier content creators" leaving but that wouldn't be the case if overwatch wasn't garbage. In other games there have been "S tier" creators that completely stick to one game because its actually sustainable while overwatch has been going downhill in playercount, heroes getting added, and more. No one likes the new heroes, the balance team is considered a joke, and the fact that videos like these are getting made exemplifies the insecurity people have for no reason.
Me personally I think rivals is so boring and unbalanced y should I as a Jeff 1 trick btw,be able to 3 shot someone or spit up to 6 players of the map with 0 skill required, even my own teammates it’s hella boring most heroes need big nerfs the maps feel and look horrendous and no role queue is not healthy, I consistently get 3 supp and 2 tanks and a dps so no1 ever dies.
All this talk about “killing Overwatch” is overblown. I switched to rivals and it’s been way more fun for me personally. If it no longer becomes fun, then I’ll play a different game.
💯☝🏻 this
It's just a lot of fun.
I lost my interest in Overwatch2 about half a year ago - only played it here and there.
Marvel Rivals gives me the fun I was missing in OW2 which was there 2022 but lost over 2024.
I laughed when I stumbled upon a Marvel Reddit post on the front page whining about losing in teams where 5 players choose dps.
Redditors are regards. You get banned if you don’t support the current thing.
Support circlejerk all over again, history repeats it self
I also feel like the creators are just tired of playing ow everyday for almost a decade, i cant blame them tbh
I’m having more fun on Rivals than I’ve had on overwatch in years. Peak Overwatch will always be the best game I’ve ever played but that was so long ago man and I don’t know if we’ll ever return to that. It’s too little too late from Blizzard. Overwatch should have been the biggest game in the world but they fumbled it time after time. I won’t be going back to overwatch unless they do something drastic.
and for me, I cant get behind 3rd person its not natural enough for me, which is why I preferred apex over fortnite. I also cant get behind a lack of optimization or balance. Its a very fun game im sure, but its not at all filling the niche I need from OW.
Your cleary don't play alot games
Aside from no self regen, Optimization is a major factor keeping me from playing Rivals much, otherwise it's a fun game, Tank synergy is fun, I don't feel like I'm hitting a brick wall trying to get elims, play making feels good
OW has just felt like a blur the past couple months & sometimes I'll go back to TF2 to scratch that itch.
I just hope MR remains a strong competitor for years to come, we kinda need it rn.
there is self regen in the health packs
Yeah I can't even run the game properly. Then again my hardware is pretty old, so that might be it.
If you truly want what's best for Overwatch, you should 100% be supporting Marvel Rivals.
You're an npc
@@whatisthis9951 Sick insult bro. You quite literally said the most generic, overused insult on the internet. If this guy is an NPC you are the boss of NPCs.
I like how blizzard are in shambles rn, in theory they should think that actually listening to the player base will get the players back
@@jimraynor7788 npc detected.
@@whatisthis9951 You are a bloody normy
I like Marvel, it's pretty fun tbh, and it has had a successful launch no doubt. But the real test for games like this is how they hold up at the 3 month mark, the 6 month mark etc. Something people don't seem to understand.
i mean pubg, fortnite, apex, and warzone all manage to coexist in the battle royale genre because they occupy different niches, same with rivals and OW, they arent the same game, theyre not targetted at the same consumers, they'll live, maybe the genre as a whole grows because of it.
Overwatch❌
Marvel Rivals✅
Swapping to expand their brand is one thing, but a lot of creators are pretty burned out with overwatch and are gladly taking the opportunity to try something new that also appeals to the vast majority of their viewerbase. I don't think a long time full swap to rivals will be common, but if things go well it could be a consistent addition to many overwatch streamers' monthly activity.
Its ok to play both. Personally I was ready to go all in on marvel rivals until I realized it throws you in to bot matches after you go on a losing streak and it kinda killed my drive to play.
You're overthinking it-it's pretty straightforward. People switched to Marvel Rivals because they find the gameplay loop more enjoyable than playing against raid-boss-style tanks, which often dictate the outcome of the game with their overwhelming sustain caused by overbuffed support heroes. Rivals offers players more agency, and the intentionally "broken" nature of every character adds to the fun, and it's completely intentional. Meanwhile, more players are hyped for 6v6 in OW2 than ever before, and that's largely because of how tanks impact the gameplay in a very negative way.
You explained it perfectlyT_T
Can you really say that? You can only tell if its really intentionally broken and the gameplay loop is fun after some time, when players find a way to really abuse heroes and their abilities, in that moment the developers will be forced to balance it out and then we will know if the gameplay loop is actually enjoyable. For me personally both gameplay loops are enjoyable for the moment. Funnily Overwatch became a little bit enjoyable after Marvel Rivals launched, because the toxic community seem to have switched to Rivals right now.
its because you play against and with 5 other dps players lmao, but on another note, as soon as a anti-dive character is released rivals is gonna turn into goats since the sustain on there is insane
@@Ca_tGirl girl, check the characters. Wolverine, captain america, magneto, hela, those are anti dive and a lot more exist. It's more than what overwatch has to offer.
@@derunfassbarebieleckiu said whats on my mind perfectly
The only overwatch killer could be Overwatch 1
Some people like Marvel Rivals
Some people like Overwatch 2
I don’t see the need for discourse on this - I think it’s more telling of the state of the Overwatch player bases’ mentality at the moment - generally speaking as a community we’re dissatisfied and want something less stale. Rather than discussing “marvel rivals is amazing” or “marvel rivals is trash” or “overwatch glazers” or “marvel rivals glazers” - this isn’t useful and misses what I feel is the compelling issue - Overwatch 2 isn’t evolving, it’s stale, players want something fresh, they find something fresh, they enjoy it - rather than criticising their enjoyment, we should look at why they’re enjoying it so much more
They are enjoying it more because it's that new shiny toy that's the main factor of course Overwatch is more stale it's been out almost an decade now 😂
Now a days people don’t know difference between competing with a game and killing it Rivals is competing Paladins is probably dead
Overwatch is a much better competitive game, Rivals is a much better casual one, the balancing is an absolute joke in Rivals. Hawkeye and Hela run circles around every other character. Sustain is also way better in Rivals, feels like nothing dies if I miss even one shot on most characters
There is no casual in OW2 and that's why the community is so small and growing smaller.
@@lockednloaded9867 there are a lot of casual players in ow2.
My friend REALLY wants me to make the switch to rivals. And I told him that I prefer the pacing and flow of overwatch games.
Marvel rivals can be pretty fast and hectic, with a large focus on flanking. It's just not for me lol.
And ow isnt fast paced?
@@KiraMahManI think he meant it's more methodical and technically it's also more balanced but really most hero shooters are fast paced
ow pacing is slowing down significantly
It just annoys me all these people who were saying "yeah ow is in a pretty good spot right now, the balance is pretty good, etc." now saying "fxck overwatch, that game sucks." Feels very fake and disingenuous. And then you have people like samito hard glazing rivals when it has many of the same issues that he despises in ow, like tanks that never die, extreme healing/sustain, and lack of player agency. If he doesn't call these things out in MR with the same ferocity that he did with ow then he's gonna look like a massive hypocrite.
im very interested in how rivals will do over time, a lot of people arent thinking about the honeymoon phase (which they dont have to) but wait until its 1 year in and you see similar if not the same exact issues ow and apex have.
Ive decided to uninstall OW2 after this season, I was severely displeased with the battle pass content and balance changes
I’m just waiting for the 6v6 test
"Overwatch isn't dead because I'm betting on it's success."
if you still think marvel rivals is an overwatch killer you should look at the past for like 99% of new games
"Overwatch2 isn't dead bc I believe in it" was his point...
@@Cake_uncanny697 the whole killer debate is nonsense. I hated it with XDefiant and I do here.
@@Cake_uncanny697him using xdefiant and that other one as evidence of overwatch’s continued success was weak (valorant and Fortnite would be far better markers alongside apex legends) - two games that were dead on arrival and had no fanfare are not worth talking about, they made no impact - marvel rivals has - and, I need to stress this - it has been out for just about a week - this has exposed a terrible insecurity within the Overwatch community, we don’t have confidence in the success of our game and that’s a problem - we should really focus on that
Bro didn’t watch the video lmao
Def honeymoon phase. All the creators who were crying about widowmaker last week seem to have no issues with Hawkeye, who not only is the only 1 shotter, but also gets a 20% seasonal damage boost. NO Overwatch creator would brush off a 20% buffed widowmaker. Other things like Peni web being a long range hard cc with a 3 second CD would also never be tolerated in OW and gets called D tier in Rivals lol.
Tbf we don't know what he is like without the dmg boost lol he also can't one shot you as soon as you turn the corner so people are more ok with him.
Hela is the problem now not hawkeye buddy get the facts straight
Hawkeye hasn’t been an issue tbh
@@DNYLNY You clearly haven't played the game.
ah yes OW2 the competitive game where whatever is selling the most skins, is meta
Mercy kiriko rein isnt meta tho
@REALArkose shill
@@dotkittyraptorThey pointed at the flaws of your argument and you call them a shill wow😂😂
@@realbadhunter6165 shill
Yet they still never buff mercy. only revert nerfs.
It's competition. Competition is good. I think in a year this game will still be going strong with significantly less players and overwatch will still be doing it's thing too, hopefully with a fire lot under them. Fortnite didn't die when Apex rose up. Nor did PUBG. They thrived together, hated yet played by all. And when the sweats got ahold of valorant, Counter Strike was fine. So too will this be
To be fair, Fortnite hasn’t been the same game in years…Fortnite in 2017 is nowhere near the same as what it is in 2022, hell even 2022 isn’t the same as 2024
@TheCuboneSwordsman But it's still around despite the competition. You could say the same for overwatch
No.
Also I was not expecting the full fricking economy breakdown of ow2 creators switching to marvel rivals
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bro im so happy kajor is doubling down on overwatch. love your content bro keep up the good work.
It’s an overhyped flavour of the month game that will be forgotten about in 2 months.
Cope
XDD yea yea, imagine you still want to be fucked by blizzard
I really hope marvels doesn't die, competiton is good, it's bad for the companies but good for us consumers
I doubt that, but i also don't think it'll kill overwatch.
Imagining only thinking with 2 extreme possibilities
your video was good i just thought it was inaccurate or i disagree about your point at 10:07 stating "I dont think marvel rivals is gunna be a direct competitor to overwatch".. It's about the most 1 to 1 direct competitor to overwatch we've ever seen. No game has competed in as many similar categories as marvel rivals. If marvel rivals isnt a direct competitor to overwatch then what would be or what would it take for you to consider it a direct competitor. It is a direct competitor to overwatch. Not saying its gunna win or better, but its competing in a direct way for sure and with similar playerbases .
It’s the closest competitor ow has had but that still doesn’t mean it’s a direct competitor. People play both games for very different reasons and the vast majority of players that say they’ll quit overwatch did so before even playing marvel rivals
@@DeertickDanielMarvel Rivals was clearly targeted to compete with Overwatch. It's literally the same exact game, except in 3rd person. Come on, they even copied the game modes from Overwatch exactly.
@DjNaste it's more of a direct competitor to paladins than to overwatch2 imo. It's only targeted to compete with ow2 because paladins is hanging by a thread.
Biggest issue with Overwatch is that Blizzard refuses to balance the game to something top level players are asking for. They are not following up on promises and now with the release of Overwatch2, going back to 6v6 after I paid for the game and not being compensated in any way feels like a scam.
Tbh marvel rivals needs to work on the tanks and supports because they're just not as fun as dps are not to say they cant be fun just literally there is more depth with just psylockes kit alone than most tanks and supports
Max 3, it's light yet hard as there's still flexibility but you can't have 4 dps and 1 healer, people will be pushed to learn diverse roles in case they need to swap! I love playing Spider-Man but if I can't perform well, I can always lean back on a tank or support if needed by my team. Max 3 per role still can push diversity in team comps but doesn't allow for comps that force a loss because people are stubborn
I’m only going to play rivals because my friends are playing it.
Overwatch is like an abusive ex that I can’t get rid of plus rivals doesn’t have genji 🙂↕️
If they ever added hard role lock into Rivals I will drop it as well. With how comparable tanks to DPSes and how OP supports are you will much rather have at least 1 of them in your team than none. Speaking from personal EXP after 10 hours in the game with some of them in comp
Not scared in the slightest about Rivals. OW is a great game, so it will thrive - especially if some of the worse people of the OW community move over to Rivals for good (they likely won't).
Being a great game is not enough (look at Tribes: Ascend), but OW is luckily popular and also well supported enough to continue doing well.
Also, I am barely hearing actual positive comments about the gameplay or anything else that indicates long-term health besides "it's Marvel" and "gooning". People might say "it's fun", but not more than that
Tbf Overwatch2 is a niche game (looking at Fortnite) and Rivals is another niche game. So we shouldn't worry about both. They'll coexist.
See, the worst people are the ones who mass report for made up things like hate speech. Overwatch is going to keep that crowd, and that's fine because those are the real toxic gamers.
@@StriderYGO The woke people are the worst people. They will stay with their ideological trash and be in the OW community. The normal people will go to Rivals.
Overwatch is nowhere near close to a "great game" other than being a great scummy cash grap and an unfathomable mess of a game 💀
@@mikasoul1332 "scummy cash grab" - Literally free game where you don't need a single cent to get to top 1. Your fault if you feel like you need to have skins. You can play this game on ancient devices on top of that.
"unfathomable mess of a game" - crazy take, very insightful. You could have said "agugaga, wuaaaa, mommy where's my pacifier" instead. Same shit tbf
Marvel Rivals is popular because it's a colossal hero IP attached to a decent game (it's no Marvel Avengers or Marvel Heroes).
Marvel Rivals is popular because it's the most explicit "not OW therefore good"-like yet in a world where it is hip to hate on OW.
Marvel Rivals is the closest in-genre alternative for lapsed or current OW players who weren't satisfied with Blizzard's shooter.
Marvel Rivals is a needed and welcome source of competition to inspire and further motivate Team 4 to keep pushing ahead.
Marvel Rivals is a source of hilarity and my sides would like to testify on that 2:03 clip if they weren't already dead and in orbit.
I’m so happy you said something different than everything else
I started to play Overwatch in mid season 3 and stopped enjoying it with the season 9 changes. HP buffs, bigger hitboxes, dps passive, super tanks reduced the skill gap and made it too noob friendly.
6:53 never heard of any of those players in my life except flats
I think it will just follow the same path as overwatch. Crazy overpowered abilities might be fun at first, but dying to them over and over just isnt. Playing in games that are unbalanced will always happen in hero shooters and allowing free roles will only make it worse. This first period is just about playing something new (even for the S tier creators as the viewers are also interested in the similar big games), but in 2-3 months time we'll get a better idea of its likely longevity.
i wanted to main scarlet witch but her design is so fucking miserable. theres 0 depth going for it, id say shes worse designed than moira or support symmetra...
She basically IS Moira. With a bit more utility.
@@polar6066 she's accurate to the comic books. Continuity may be a strange new concept for you being an overwatch fan, but it is 100% on point and comic book accurate representation.
You people said we was wearing rose tented glasses when we said ow1 was better now yall saying it because we playing a game that's not overwatch smh.
Most of people who say overwatch is bad rn are regular ow2 players not content creators unless you think the large streamers are 90% of the player base.
Right and most people are still in the honeymoon phase, just like they were when there was no role queue in 6v6 classic.
Not mentioning PGE and Sugarfree in the tier list kinda crazy ngl
Yeah i agree i am sticking to overwatch 2 glad i am not alone!
Like how you enthusiastically discuss Overwatch’s competitiveness, ignoring the poor quality of rank/QP matchmaking. No game has caused such massive loss streaks as 15 or 20 losses in a row. This makes the game extremely unfair and unfun to play.
I love Rivals and think it’s better than current OW but OW is NOT going anywhere. Whether you love it or hate it, the success of Rivals is a good thing because now OW has an actual competitor and have to step their game up otherwise Rivals WILL take over
I tried rivals with my mate and it had absolutely zero staying power, fun and flashy in the moment, completely dumb and unbalanced and then we ended the session and never booted it back up.
Wait til people play to win and start optimizing such as wanting a balanced team comp, even role queue, start complaining the enemy team has a good sniper player, how ults are completely wackily balanced.
It's a fischer price baby jangling keys version of OW. Which is what some casuals or people burnt out on OW want and thats great for them.
If only theyd just quietly gtfo the OW community instead of trailing their diaper dookie on the way out.
Honestly you can just play the game.. Make 2nd channel for it.. If it dies then no worries.
I know rivals isn’t perfect but thats what makes it good also just to let you know being mistreated by a Dev team for 2 years and still playing the game is not a flex
I've been loving MR but I think a lot of the issues OW ran into were kinda unavoidable, Blizz has definetly done some stupid decisions with OW but everytime someone mentions balance as the reason they're leaving OW to go to MR I just roll my eyes at this point, like buddy just you wait, games like these are extremely hard to balance if you want them to be competitive, and MR does have a competitive mode so they're gonna have to balance it at some point and we have no clue which balancing decisions they'll make with the game
What I'm 100% sure of though is that no matter which route they go they'll get backlash from some part of the playerbase, you can't please everyone
I'm personally sticking with OW as my preferred shooter game but MR has earned a permanent spot in my hard drive becuase it's just fun to play
jumpscared by own name appearing in a coach kajor video LMAO
dawg i ain't know u watch me 😭
@Kajor1 LMAO the non guide videos mainly (I do not care to improve at ow anymore sadly), it's some good content!
They will probably be competitors in the same way fortnite and apex are competitors. Same genre, different gameplay, yet fighting for similar publics.
Despite that, overwatch isn't doing much to compete, what is new for the start of this season? Hazard? Winter event? Besides that, the balance patch was meh.
the first stage is denial
The only ones in denial are people like you who don't realize you're in the honeymoon phase right now
@@whatisthis9951who. Cares.
Like.. seriously. Even if they are in the "honey moon phase"
Seriously, what is the problem with that? You are having fun, don't like it? Stop playing.
You don't lose anything lmao. He is having fun, let him.
@@EraOfKingsMMORPG you care.
@@EraOfKingsMMORPG So what? What's wrong with acknowledging the honeymoonphase and how it's currently affecting peoples view on Rivals aswell as Overwatch? People make Overwatch out to be this really bad game simply because there's another option that isn't shitty Paladins now. Overwatch is not a bad game, when the phase is over people will re-discover the polish, the mechanics and above all the fun that is Overwatch.
@whatisthis9951 I also had a similar honeymoon phase when Halo first released, Resident Evil, Smash Bros., Mario kart. All of those things are still around because of how impactful their release and exposure were.
You're coping so hard and it's sad.
And your recent viewership surge doesn't make you bias at all. You're right though, follow the money to find the answer. Ow is the right bet for you, money wise.
Bro marvel rivals tank and support hero design is terrible, Thor and hulk are cool but no way in hell it’s a overwatch replacement with shitty design like that
Bro just repeated what spilo said last video 😭🙏🏾🙏🏾
Same narrative as when valor ant came out. OW remains untouched. There are no real direct competitors.
I just want the game I fucking paid for. 6v6 and I also want my level board back and I want the sr system so I can see my fucking rank.
i dont think rivals will or could kill ow, the only thing that can kill overwatch is team4/microsoft. i personally believe that rivals success will only depend on how bad overwatch does. basically this game is a cockroach and will probably survive way more than anyone can think of, if the game turns into a shop cycle it will still have players, especially kiriko players, who will keep buying the slop skins just like little piggies.
Been waiting for another of overwatch creator to mention Viveros nice to see Spilo reacting to Realth was hilarious
idk who you are but i pretty much said the same thing to myself when i saw your title, then was pleasantry surprised you didnt needlesssly stall yapping and just said the truth in the 1st second of the video
Performance is ass in rivals + no role que, its still fun though more fun than overwatch's giga tank flavor of the month garbage (for now at least, we'll see what next few patches bring that will determine the fate of the game for me)
Gs is not leaving yet
Maybe, but ultimately the question is: will you switch to a Disney owned game or stay with an Activision owned game?
Wdym?
Well , Overwatch is more similar to Apex Legends than it is to Marvel Rivals imo
Agreed
Rivals is fresh and fun but it has nothing on overwatch in relations to competative. It cannot be taken seriously with this amount of heroes and skills, the janky movement, the janky hitboxes.. Nah.
You totally left out TimTheTatman. I uninstalled OW and have way more fun playing MR.
this video sucks and so do the delusional comments
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REAL
I’m sorry but I don’t care what anyone says but don’t force role q the game just came out it’s been a week open q is way better and the q times are so much better and the balance I think there already better then Ow dude they just hella buff Orisia and doesn’t address Juno still
Juno has been nerfed like 2 or 3 times
@@realbadhunter6165 yeah they nerf and buff the wrong part of her kit
@@JesManVP I have seen a Juno buff but only to glide boost and medi blaster and the majority complain about her ULT mainly so they have nerfed her ULT
Dont forget Samito😂
U are the goat i love u ur a man a gigiachad i love you so much u didnt Fell
yes
4 minutes ago is crazy
No
Are flats and all the "S-A tier streamers" gonna still do overwatch or are they just straight up switching
I don’t think they are switching
Gigachad Kajor
No way s-tier streamers are millionaires, right?
All of the ones he named are millionaires
@@deezpeople4315 that's wild if you're not lying, how could you even check this?
Cooked so hard Kajor
the reason people didnt want to play tank and support in ow1 is because there were barely any heroes available to you as a player. to this day, dps is the role with the most amount of heroes. the truth is, role queue or not, variety is what makes people want to play the role, and rivals has more options on release than overwatch did, with many more heroes coming soon
And I guess rivals failed to make people want to play the role too?
Every game is 4 dps or 5 dps and 1 tank or healer. Its gonna get even worse once people are done trying the different characters
Yea, it's not like people avoiding responsibility of creating space or keeping their teammates alive by choosing dps, it's all about amount of characters, got it.
Where voldsparks T^T
Marvel rivals is better than ow2, not better than ow1 tho
If the devs keep on doing what they’re doing now yes rivals will kill overwatch
You cooked so hard. Rivals it hot garbage. Literally skibidi toliet brainless overwatch.
Nah as someone who thought marvel rivals was a joke when first announced I am actually having so much fun even when I lose. This unironically might be a overwatch killer, Its season zero so things are not going to be fully competitive or balanced and we are most likely going to get role queue in season 1. Plus people not having a good team comp is mostly a low Elo problem.
i love you bro
Irrelevant
Yes but where will the competitive community go if overwatch keeps up these dumbass patches? Probably to rivals, maybe other games, either way you have to take into account how much overwatch just sucks to play atm.
Overwatch has just set the bar so low that it really doesn’t even matter how bad rivals is.
And rivals has some major issues, even ignoring the gameplay side of things. It runs like absolute ass (just upgraded to 9800x3d and 4070tis and I can’t even get 240fps at 1080p, absurd). I’ve crashed more times than I ever have in OW. Dr strange portal tanks your frames for some reason. No regs are very common.
But you know what? It’s not Overwatch. However unbalanced it is, there aren’t raid boss tanks. There aren’t supports who’ve been given absurd denial abilities while remaining the best duelists in the game. Stuff actually is dying. The bar is on the floor. Marvel rivals doesn’t even compare to the last patch of OW1. Honestly it’s probably even worse than the giga sojourn initial period of OW2. But compared to the current game? It’s like you’re discussing the annoying things of traveling on an airplane when your alternative is to travel by wagon on the Oregon trail. Yeah airplane food sucks, but it doesn’t even make sense to levy that criticism when your alternative is to die by cholera.
Recently uninstall ow2 but no hate to it tho it will do fine with a actual competitor
I haven’t had fun playing overwatch2 in a long time I started playing when junker queen was released but every season the game just got more and more boring to me and I only really played it cuz my friends forced me to play tank (which I love playing) but tank in ow2 sucked so bad I couldn’t really enjoy it
Well it took awhile but my friends finally realized that they don’t have fun playing ow2 and they also uninstalled now off to greener pastures with characters we like and skins we can actually see in game
This guy is coping while making this video HAHAHAHA you can literally hear it
He doesn't need to cope once OW switches back to 6v6 with the new modern abilities that it has now it clears rivals no problem easy work.
This guy is talking about how much of shill you are💀
This video sucks
POV: youre 12 years old
@propulsidereal BMI?
@@ratsmasher2583 19.3 9%bf you?
This video is full of bad takes. 2024 has been the full rejection of woke and Overwatch is poisoned with woke rhetoric.
yea but ov 2 have 20k players when marvel rivals have 450k
steam numbers + those numbers will be significantly closer in half a year
Crazy to me that people still look at ow steam numbers as a resource
The short answer yes😂
Literally 🤣 He mentions "S and A tier content creators" leaving but that wouldn't be the case if overwatch wasn't garbage. In other games there have been "S tier" creators that completely stick to one game because its actually sustainable while overwatch has been going downhill in playercount, heroes getting added, and more. No one likes the new heroes, the balance team is considered a joke, and the fact that videos like these are getting made exemplifies the insecurity people have for no reason.
Short answer yes
Yes
Me personally I think rivals is so boring and unbalanced y should I as a Jeff 1 trick btw,be able to 3 shot someone or spit up to 6 players of the map with 0 skill required, even my own teammates it’s hella boring most heroes need big nerfs the maps feel and look horrendous and no role queue is not healthy, I consistently get 3 supp and 2 tanks and a dps so no1 ever dies.
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How is this coping? people not wanting to switch to rivals is copium? grow up.
No lol
Overwatch is better