How To: DT Swiss 370 54T Ratchet LN Upgrade -- Install Video -- Specialized Roval Traverse Wheels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- How to install a new set of 54 tooth ratchet rings on your DT Swiss 370 LN hubs. This set is on my 2022 Specialized Stumpjumper Evo, and is a fantastic, easy to install wheel upgrade.
This will not work on your 3 pawl 370 hubs, you will need a different drive ring and parts kit.
This video was a godsend. I found it after my first spin on the exact same bike. Same boat - TOTALLY love the bike but was disappointed by the hub. Bought the DT Swiss upgrade kit. It arrived today, and so I'll get the new rings installed this weekend. But I'm just totally flabbergasted that what looks like about $3 worth of raw materials costs in excess of $100. WHAT THE ACTUAL F*UCK?!?!? Crazy...
Tell me about it 😆 this should be $25
Sound much better!!! I will order the 370 for my sons bike upgrade from 24 to 26". And i didn`t like "schmutz" 🤣 but handgloves on both hand. The set cost in germany from 63 till 93 Euro...much mony for the sound...
A couple yeats later and this video is still helping. Just made the upgrade. Thanks for the solid step by step! 🙌
Have this same bike and after watching this video decided to make sure my 2022 EVO Stumpjumper did in fact have the same ratchet system. And as usually happens when I try to do something after watching a TH-cam video I encountered weirdness. Pulled the cassette off with my hands, checked and yep, Star Ratchet system, made sure the springs were oriented correctly, put the cassette back on, put the wheel on the bike, turned the pedals and found I had turned my bike into a fixie. What the heck???? Dismounted the wheel and removed/replaced the cassette several times and still had the fixie problem. Took the wheel to the LBS where a mechanic well versed in DT Swiss hubs found that the axle seal had dropped into the hub body where I couldn't see it (it's small, black and looks like a sag ring on a fork) and without the seal in the correct place, too much force was being transferred to the hub when I tightened the axle not allowing the ratchet to disengage. Watching numerous installation videos for this system I have never seen the axle seal mentioned so I thought I would post about my experience in case someone else encounters this.
Thank you. This has been the most helpful step-by-step video on the whole process (starting from the actual beginning) to switch to 54t. I swapped mine out on my new Yeti SB130, which came with a 36T DT Swiss 350.
wow. sounds unusual, but seems to work great. i don't know bike tech at all, my local bike shop said you cannot increase poe without changing the whole hub and spokes. which seems like wrong information now :)
Great video! I have a 2022 Specialized Stumpjumper Expert with the Roval Wheels, which I believe it has the DT 370 hub on the back wheel, so I'm assuming this should be an easy swap like in your video. Keep on riding!
3 pawl 370 hubs are upgradable to the LN, dt Swiss sells a kit or you can piece it together yourself
Wakeboards and bikes, looks like my garage! cheers
Awesome video!Any idea why on the smallest cog my cranks spin forward after installing the 54t?thanks
Does it work on my canyon Spectral Al6 with the dt swiss 370 al ln 2024?
Thanks for this, I'm getting the 2022 Canyon Spectral with a 370 LN hub and wasn't sure if it was ratchet, appears the 2022 version is, whilst the old version uses pawls. I'll be upgrading the ratchet just the same.
I got same bike and wan to do same... did you already check that or are you able to tell me what parts no. I need to do that uprage?
Have you upgraded yet?? i just ordered 54t
I am also getting the 2022 Spectral with the 370LN hub should I buy the upgrade kit for 54t or is it already installed in there from the manufacturer. I am soo confused. And if I have to buy it, can you please give me the material number of the DT Swiss upgrade kit? Thanks in advance.
@@michalkamensky1622 the Canyon Spectral 2022 comes with the exact hub from the video. It‘s a DT Swiss 370 ratchet LN with the standard 18t.
The Canyon Webside isn‘t that clear about that…
The 370 ratchet LN does come with the „SL“ ratchet discs. (You can see that on the DT Swiss webside) So if you order a 36t or 54t upgrade, make sure you order the SL version as well.
I have ordered my upgrade for my Spectral Mullet today. 🙂 have fun with that awesome bike!
Thank you for the helpful video but please grease your axle
AWESOME Video. I ordered the Huzar exhaust and Tusk Tail Tidy after watching your video!
If there's space to add more pawls. They can be updated 😊
Thanks for this video! I have the same bike, also with a Zeb, it’s brilliant. I also upgraded to TRP DHR EVO brakes, so much better.
No cassette lock nut??
Nice video and guide man, keep safe always supporting here!🤟🏻😁
you showed me what i wanted thank you so much your video is perfect!
What is the DT swiss part No. of these rings?
Thanks for this looks so simple but tell me- is the pedal kickback an issue for you?
@@kaneda4102 never noticed it haha
That sounds so much better.
my dt swiss 370 ratchet ln 18 is very quiet. I got a brand new yeti sb115 and came with DT Swiss 1900 with this freehub and is quiet when freewheeling when riding. It is a little louder when freewheeling with no load (video) th-cam.com/video/wuFnOdLltgs/w-d-xo.html
One viewer said too much grease!
Great video instruction! I am preparing myself to service own dt swiss 240 hubs. Probably will even downgrade them from 36 to 24 tooth as I like their sound more
Hi
Im using specialized enduro and its using DT Swiss 360 3 pawl may I ask what kit do i need to purchase for upgrading it?
Just the viceo I was looking for and so well done! I ordered a 36t upgrade kit and I know exactly how to do the install thanks to your video.
Thanks a lot to your video i upgrade my bike already
You are awesome on camera. Getting vertigo though from the fast panning 🤢
Can you post a link to the 54T ratchet rings? :)
Ah just found the prat numer in the video. Tank's in advance :D
Hi Kyle, nice video.
just a quick question are those ratchet rings made of alluminum or steel?
thanks!
They'd have to be billet steel
@@kylehasfun3114 thanks! I'm going to order one then :)
I have the DTSwiss M1900 wheels, I'm guessing are 370hubs, with the 3paws. This can be upgraded to the ratchet rings but the 3paw hub body needs to be replaced to the LN ratchet hub body
Plus, you need $150 worth of DT Swiss tools to remove the old hub pawl ringdrive and install the ratchet ringdrive. Plus the upgrade kit, whatever that costs. Worth spending the extra money to buy a ratchet based wheelset in the first place, end up costing you about the same.
@@achn2b True but if the wheels/hubs comes with the bike than the cheapest thing to do is upgrade the internals. But yes the upgrade kit is about $100 and the tools is also about $100 but there is a work around for that...a 1" hex head can be used so I just used a parktool that has a 1" hex on it to fit into the hub paw ring drive. Use a heat gun or blowdryer to heat up the hub body first, it really makes a difference in getting the hub paw ring drive off.
@@DaBinChe True, if you already have the wheels. And, there are off brand tools for the DT Swiss ring nuts that are much cheaper, not sure how good a quality they are, but would think they have to be better than bodging a tool meant for another purpose.
@@achn2b I bought one of those off brand tools made in china and it did not work didn't fit. The park tool one worked just fine and really for a one time use who cares if it not the proper tool. The park tool worked fine with out even getting mar up. There is a YT video of this, where I got the idea and how I knew it worked. Uses a cassette tool.
I got 36t kit but it dont turn right or freewheel but if put bk 18t its ok its very odd . Maybe to much grease but i cant work out whats going on yet
Is this gonna be same process on the ( DT Swiss 370 Boost 148mm | 18T Star-Ratchet ), this is what I have on my rear hub.
Should be, you'll have to take it apart and see. Simple process
Thanks
What is the parts no. or where did you order it?
An i9 Torch hub would be a full wheel build. Prob the easiest upgrade right there.
Hey thanks for the great video. I have a question I just bought a 2022 chisel Comp with traverse Alloyed rims with a 370 hub (For the Specialized Roval wheelset )Would this be compatible with this ratchet system or is the new mechanism in the hub (where you have to use a special tool to take out the ratchet system). I guess what I’m asking is does this still work? Thank you again
Thanks thats what ia gonna do, but is t right that the 54t cost abozt 100 bugs
Ok so I have a DTS 370 hub but it looks totally different inside. I have seen another video that calls my setup the 3 pawl system. Has anyone had the same or know the procedure for that one? I think the kit part number is HWYXXX00N9376S?
Different process and requires specialty tools to swap from 3pawl to ratchet.
What? Wait… don’t you need to unscrew the cassette? 😮
@@ineedsolution not to remove the driver. The cassette stays on the driver 👍
@@kylehasfun3114 nice, is it sram solution?
Upgrading the g1800 to the 370ln ratchet seems like an affordable option.
What kit did you buy?
@@tobydoesoutdoors DT Swiss 54T ratchet Kit
I have the same 370 hub and am trying to find a place to order the 54t ratchet. Are there 370 vs 350 ratchet sizing or do they all fit the same? Thanks
If it's a 370 LN ratchet hub, all the ratchets are same, so the one for the 350 will work 👍
I am confused about the "3-pawl" vs "ratchet" DT Swiss hubs. I thought the 370 was a 3-pawl hub and 240 and 350 are ratcheting. Did the 370 change in 2022 to also be ratcheting now?
I am looking at some DT Swiss "P1800 Spline" road wheels with 370 hubs. Do I need to ask the retailer "which" version of 370 that it has? I doubt they would know. They also have "PR1600 Spline" wheels with 350 hubs for about $100 more. Now I'm not sure what the difference is.
350 will always be a nicer hub than 370. SOME 370 hubs form 2022 are ratchet mechanism, I believe they are all labeled as 370 LN hubs, if they are not denoted at 370 Ratchet LN or 370 LN, you should probably assume they are 3 pawl.
@@kylehasfun3114 I wrote to DT Swiss, they said yes the 370 was changed in 2022 to the new "Ratchet LN" design. Unfortunately you have to pull the cassette to see the labeling which is on the freehub body. Also, since making that change, so far (as of 2/1/2023) they have only used the new 370 in mountain bike wheels. (Not at all in road wheels which is what I was asking about.) If an old 370 was upgraded using the official kit, that will also say "Ratchet LN". Pictures on their web site.
I recently bought some new Roval C38 wheels with 370 hubs (18t Ratchet). Can I do this upgrade on this hub by switching to the 54t ratchet kit? It is compatible?
If it's ratchet, yes, if it's 3pawl, no.
This is the new version with ratchet
On the fence between this & the stumpy expert. $300 different. Less travel on the non-Evo. What’s your opinion on one vs the other
For sure get the evo
link to upgrade kit?
Part number? Thanks
HWTXXX00NSK54S
Service Kit Ratchet 54T SL
@@kylehasfun3114 thank you!
dove posso acquistare?
I have a DT 370 hub and mine is not like this
probably yours is pawl hub
Awesome, thanks for posting this! I've got a 2022 SC Tallboy on the way with 370 hubs. I'm used to an I9 hub, so I'll definitely have to check into the upgrade.
For the money and ease, it's worth it. It's not i9, but the 54t engagement really is good for the trail.
I have a 2022 Tallboy and I checked the 370 hub and it’s the upgraded version without the pawls. I ordered the 54t kit to upgrade it as well. Stoked I don’t have to first convert it from a pawl system first
@@lathamstylemtb yes, I checked with SantaCruz Tech, and they said they're building certain wheelsets with the newer DT 370 LN hub, which has the star ratchet already. Funny thing is my build is listed as having the 370 hubs, but actually came with e*thirteen hub which has 6° engagement.
@@jg2wheels I wish mine came with those hubs lol lucky you 👍🏻
Could you please give me the specs of the upgrade so I could purchase it
Go for it . It's worth it.
Is it a lot different for when you have Shimano? (SLX or XT for example)
Yep 😆
Wait Shimano cassette? Shouldn't be, as long as it's this same hub
Great video! Surprised you don’t have more subscribers!
Haha thanks man, I have fun doing the videos, but don't chase followers too hard.
Great video! About to recieve my M1900 wheels with the new Ratchet LN Hub. Its a Shimano HG hub. Will this come off easy aswell? Thanks!
Yep! Should pop right off!
@@kylehasfun3114 Nice! Thanks for your reply.
@@stefreuvers853 it might be a little snug at first, but you should be able to lift it by hand
I thought 370’s had the three paw
before 2022 they did, i think
Will this work in the comp carbon version ?
If it's a dt swiss ratchet hub, then yes
Great video and timely. Likely getting this same bike tomorrow. Currently my 27.5 bike has Onyx hubs as do my bmx race bikes. The stock 18T is horrific coming from Onyx instant engagement. Seems like a good upgrade until the full hub changeout.
To be honest, on mtb 54t feels good enough. Like obviously I can feel the difference between this and my torch hubs, but this will totally fine on trail.
@@kylehasfun3114 for this price point seems like an easy upgrade that should have already been included.
Beautiful bike!
@@VanPelt408 totally agree
@@VanPelt408 also, thank you!!
Can you please share the article number for ordering?
This kit I installed was
HWTXXX00NSK54S
Service Kit Ratchet 54T SL
Thank you! But I heard that when using this you often need to look at the ratchet to re grease it. Is that true? Would 36t be better then?
@@rossifumi4650 same exact mechanism for both. And routine bicycle maintenance is important no matter the tooth count
Do you have the part number of the 36t?
I have dsame bike as yours but the 2021 evo i can do that also on my bike
Probably not, but pull your freehub off and look
I got the evo expert do you they are not dsame?
@@Boovvamp 2021vs 2022 is different hubs
Even if i got roval hub they are different?
@@Boovvamp pull it apart and see bro, idk what else you could do. Takes 15 seconds to pull it apart 👍
Any idea what a good mileage is to replace those springs? My bike is only 2 months old so I’m debating if I should replace them and just save the current ones as a backup.
In my opinion it’s a downgrade l prefer a nice quiet hub
Link for the kit?
www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology
Just scroll down the page a bit…
Link for The kit ?
Fantastic vid..! I bought the same bike and a few things I hate about the bike and the looosy goosy play in the pedals was driving me nutts. I just switched out the brakes for XTR, as I wasn't happy with SCRAM progressive feel. I need to either change the dropper seat post or tweak it as its terrible to activate...
The 54t is not a great upgrade for MTB riding in my experience. It tends to slip under hard load. That's just my experience.
was wondering about this ... the 54t seems a little "less" mass, less height for each tooth ... and like you sad, possibly slip under load ???
@@JohnPhan1 and would wear quicker causing it to definitely slip under load
@@JohnPhan1 found this on dt swiss's website " Strength of ratchet is highest with lower tooth count. For E-bikes do not exceed 24T"
so we have the right mindset, it's all for the angle of engagement and noise, not for reliability
What about I9 hubs then that have way more than 54t?
@@HD-on2eg no comparison really. They are a completely different system. DT is ratchet and i9 is pawls
Can i put 62t
Nice video. Where did you get the kit from?
Local Bike Shop 👌
I always wonder why they just don’t do this from the factory and sell a better hub right out of the gates. Just charge the extra money, nobody wants less engagement!
Agreed
Do you have article number for me of this ratchet?
Reason you choose these over the 36t?
I like higher engagement hubs.