The Controversial Microtech - Unboxing The Socom Bravo
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- Unboxing the new Rike/Microtech Socom Bravo
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Microtech and China...just no. Their knives are expensive and exclusive for a reason, let's keep it that way,
Microtech and Rike, Rike actually have better fit n finish than any Microtech, lets just say Rike "polished" the errors of Microtech
It’s interesting how knife companies make intelligent and foolish choices in the same knife. The great decision was making this knife with the material choices they did, design, and going tip up on the carry option. The foolish? MT was spot on. Get rid of the lanyards hole and make that brilliant looking pocket clip deep carry, end mounted, and reversible. It would look better and would interest and sell to more people.
I have not been into EDC folders for long but I never understood the fascination with lanyard holes.
If it didn’t have a lanyard hole and it was deep carry it would be awful. Thank god they didn’t.
@@bertdog7639 nice way to personalize a knife if you have a cool bead, extra grip when pulling from pants/bag, emergency cord
I hate knives so much. And I hate metal complex so much. And I hate microtech so much. And I hate switchblades so much. And I hate the Socom so much. And I hate China so much. And I hate rectangles so much
LOL
Circles are better.
@@metal_complex I'm kidding btw, I just wanted to see how people would react. Greta video
@@brianrobinson3961 no
@@brianrobinson3961 TRIANGLE
Tony Marfione once said: "If it's not made by Microtech, it's not a Microtech." How far we have come from that statement, lol.
@John Doe but it’s not machined and assembled in the USA so it isn’t really made in America still a great looking knife though
Aside from the damn lanyard hole and the clip placement...
Very cool Socom. Pretty piece for the collection.
I LOVE my scocom elite, this socom bravo looks like just a fancier luxury version and I'm totally down for that.
I get more of a luxury at&t imo, to each his own 😏
Lanyard Holes: exist
MC: "And I took that personally."
$325 for a knife made by communist labor so Mircotech’s owner can increase his margin and buy more pre-work out and dip… hard pass.
Woohoo! Controversy!.... At least they aren't trying to hide where it was made.
Right!!! Dude I’ve seen so much shade thrown at this one knife!!! Me!? God!!! I just wish I could touch it!!!
Pretty interesting to see the differences in machine work allowed at this price point between a US and Chinese made version.
Hey Brian! Quick question... do you have any idea of how much this Chinese version sells for? I'm kinda new to the whole knife game... and all I can find is the US version that seems to have sold for (when available) around $400. Is this a similar price point? Asking because I did see this rike se selling for $1500 somewhere... what am I missing? Are they just selling for more because they are sold out or...?
Thanks again... really appreciate yall... seems like a really nice community.
@@mustread-this4955 it’s about $370
I actually like having a bit of my knife sticking out of my pocket because where I live it is illegal to carry a knife concealed.
Fun Fact - All iPhones are assembled in China. Anyone complaining? Not a single soul.
The quality of Chinese-made products depends almost entirely on how much you are willing to pay, and how much the manufacturer values you as a customer. Apple-Foxconn is a prime example of this. Looking at the price of this Socom Bravo, and also who manufactures it (Rike Knife), it's no surprise that the quality is top notch.
Never understood the tip up or down argument I carry both randomly and never had a single issue what's the complaint seriously. I can have either out of my pocket deployed and back in my pocket in a few seconds with no trouble. Is there some quick draw competitions I'm missing lol.
Edit: carrying the Socom Elite today and haven't been in any knife related accidents 😅
I prefer tip up but it’s just a preference thing. There’s no big reason. I guess an argument could be made that it keeps the blade up against the side of your pants so it won’t open. But the thing is, it’s just what I’m used to, so it’s what I carry.
Agree with you, for anything over 3.5” I actually find tip down faster as you don’t have to walk your hand up the knife
I have a SOCOM Elite and I carry it regularly. For what it’s worth, it has opened in my pocket a couple times. Nothing bad happened, but would prefer it stayed closed 100% of the time.
Same. I dont really get what the difference is
When I carry tip down, I prefer the "left handed" position. The blade is still against the seam and less likely to cut your pockets up. Just my 2¢ though.
When a strong foundation and a mission statement doesnt mean shit anymore 🤷♂️ this socom bravo is as much a microtech as a microtevh stitch is a borka. 🙄
My thoughts exactly.
I can’t wait to buy this Chinese made Socom Bravo, it looks so much better made than US made Elite and so much more attention to detail. The build quality is so much higher too I mean just look at those tolerances.
Well there was a third reply for a second there but it mysteriously disappeared 😂
Itty bitty little teeny weeny deenky little silly Willy DING DONG 🤣🤣🤣🤣 cracked me up so much 😂😂😂
Stunning, Wow. I may grab one...
That clip position change was huge! "Mega Improvement" as you said is correct.
It's not that tip up, or tip down matters functionally for me- it's the appearance of where the clip is placed always looks better tip up rear scale...
Look @ that gorgeous carbon fiber composition. A smooth transition to the titanium and that blue collar-wow.. Milled Ti pocket clip & even the detail work on the back of the scales...
Can manufacturers go ahead and lose these lanyard holes by the way? Pls give us deeper carry..
Yeah I'm thinking this one might make my collection even if it's one of only a few Chinese knives I own...
What would you think about a black collar to match the carbon fiber instead of silver
U mean blue? I like the blue
Black would look nice also
Carbon fiber looks solid, I really love that full size back spacer and hardware, contouring of the blade is beautiful, solid pocket clip that I wish was higher, and I'm diggin that blue collar. Damn I love that full size back spacer. Definitely prefer the Bravo over the Elite.
I do as well might I suggest watching the torture test by micros tech on TH-cam they actually shoot this blade and run it through it 2x4 chopping it in half chopping copper wire panties nails and are still able to shave paper with it the torture test was just unbelievable two or three times on steel and the tip just chipped a little bit and that was it I've never seen a folding knife go through such torture in my life the most I've ever seen a folder go through was an Emerson CQC 7 extra heavy duty and I believe this knife is even stronger than that
“I don’t like color” says the guy who loves timascus. Haha 💙
People still naively believing that US made knives have a better quality to price ratio than Chinese knives these days are just living in a fantasy land. Maybe in the past, but its not the case anymore, blinded by patriotism. If this knife was in the mainline MT lineup with these materials (full TI body and CF), with these levels of milling, made in the US. They would be 500+ easy, people need to wake up.
what if people just don't want a chinese knife
@@justin_y1454 I mean i guess do what you do, just feels a little.... weird. My comment wasnt about that anyways, its just me thinking its funny that people still think a knife is "crap" just because its made in china.
Red collar red pocket clip and screws would look sharp
That's a beautiful knife for sure.
I want one the thing looks sweet. The box is nice as well imo
I used to work for a firearms manufacturer, corporate asked us to peel off any "made in china" stickers off of any parts. To which the customer wasn't aware of, thinking that their product was "assembled" in the USA, when all we did was peel off a sticker. It's all capitalistic marketing schemes, quality definitely matters but at a certain point it's pretty arbitrary.
Microtech has to deal with a lot of fraudulent products made in China. If producing a line by a manufacturer in China eliminates or reduces that fraud, and allows them quality control of the products that come from there, it’s a smart move.
I don't know how having one of Microtech's knife models made IN China would reduce fraud one bit my friend? The Chinese are never going to stop cloning Microtechs unfortunately- This almost guarantees there will be good replicas...
Now the Rike factory in China has the blueprint, you think the counterfeiters aren't going to get their hands on it?
Of course! not only that....they may make the knockoff in the same Factory now, or across the street with the exact blueprint and specs...
As Soon as you manufacture products in China, you can count on it being knocked off immediately- this only makes it faster and more convenient in my opinion...
You are welcome to your opinion as well though, maybe I'm misunderstanding what you were implying..
@@BuffaloNickel9 yup the moment they had the blueprints Microtech was screwed & so were consumers. All this does is allow far better counterfeits to be made
@@blackdragon44 yup anytime the Chinese market can get their hands on IP it's to the moon they don't gaf
Lmao @ all of the ignorant, racist, reactionaries in this silly little gutter puddle.
@@Stahlwerk88 the only ignorant one here is you if you think this has anything to do with race or racism. But these days it's far easier to just dismiss things in such a manner than it is to face certain realities. Simple fact - the Chinese counterfeit everything from clothes to small consumer goods to toys to electronics & yes knives & much much more.
Try reading up on the counterfeit goods problems with Amazon for instance. Now where do those come from? The answer is China. It's a literal widely known fact that China has a gigantic counterfeiting problem add to that industrial espionage and the stealing of various forms of data related to both products, vital intelligence, design data & the list goes on.
All of this can be easily verified with a little reading. How about you try using your brain next time before showing your ignorance and throwing around baseless accusations.
I know usually with my Emerson's and Al Mars and my SOGS they usually require a certain amount of break-in period each one varies difference amount of time but this knife came as if it was already broken in this is actually one of my favorite purchases I've ever made regardless of where the knife is made I mean if you really want to get down to it China is capable of putting out a knife is good as any us knife it will rival it if you're willing to pay the money I mean look at we they put a great knives I mean it's just a day also make a lot of $14 gas station knives as well you know for a long time Japan had that reputation as well with certain items and now look at Japan well they're steel knives have always been legendary but look at their cars I mean the bodies rust out in that motors are still running I don't care where it's made I care that it's made well and this knife is made well
My local dealer thinks it will be like the benchmade red series
Meaning it won't last?
Man these are gorgeous. I'm glad people are throwing a hissy fit over the collab. Makes it easier for me to get my hands on one
Exactly! It's not even a comparison how much better this version is...
All you have to do is turn the original over and look at the nonsensical upside down positioning of the pocket clip is an automatic Loss...
And that's before even getting into the materials: carbon fiber, titanium and milled Ti pocket clip the new one has...no brainer
China made, not my first preference, but when it's done better than Microtech could have probably done it, I'll take china made and save five hundred bucks...
@@BuffaloNickel9 well said. Alot of people don't understand that these Chinese OEMs (reate, rike, bestech, WE, etc) are manufacturing some of the highest quality production knives on the market at a fair price
@@AudibleVisibIe yes sir...especially anything Reate for me, I already know the quality will be the best you can get QC, fit and finish, etc
Honestly after seeing these close up's, I still prefer the American made original. Not seeing anything I would prefer to have over the original.
Idk how you guys do tip down.
You pointed out that you could put the lanyard hole inside the back spacer, my mind was blown. That is by far the best solution I have ever heard within knifemaking and I never want to see a lanyard hole again. A clean scale with no lanyard hole is far superior to the opposite, I just hope manufacturers and designers will see this.
I have a lot of knives that already have lanyard posts or however else they want to work it done into the backspacer. It isn't a new idea or anything
Just dip the pivot collars on some winks rust remover for a few seconds. Boom silver pivot collars.
I have some and have been considering it. I think it would look much better
Do it and post to your YT channel! I will give a view brother ;)
@@timothy7172 I would but I sold my Bravo a couple weeks ago
@@LUC.Knives Why oh why brother?
@@timothy7172 just trying to make some cash for LVCKS
The Socom Bravo feels like a custom. I like it better than the Socom Elite.
I agree with you 100%. It feels like a handmade knife I have several handmade knives Emerson almar and a few special edition handmade sogs from seki Japan and you're right this thing feels handmade and it is very rugged if anybody that's that just watch the torture test done on it on TH-cam
I just got the black DLC signature series version and I'm disappointed. Two glaring reasons... 1, the lockbar is rather sharp, making it not so fidget friendly. I'm a knife junkie who collects knives not for the tool aspect, but for the craftsmanship, action, fidgetability, and feeling in hand.
2... the detent is very weak, to the point of being able to shake it open easily with the flick of the wrist. I took it apart and tuned it myself but the problem remains.
It's a beautiful knife but it's going back to bladehq.
I’m so happy I was able to find an American made Socom before this came out.
Yep not long before the American made starts to slip with micro tech after results like that.
I have never wanted a second because of the tip down carry. Now I might have to pick one up.
You're nuts if you like those stiff clips that don't actually clip over the standard MT clips. There's a reason they're bent like that. Those clips on the Bravo are garbage for EDC imo.
Digging the videos but dude are you super high or on laughing gas before you make the video?😂😂 love the enthusiasm and that you’re always laughing
I had a socom elite and the handle has a hollow feeling to it that i didn't love. I really want to check out the Bravo
I just would rather have it be made in the US for that price, the knife is still insanely expensive and it doesn’t go to their in house makers, kind of disappointed
If they made this in the USA, it'd be $600+ There's no magic lamp to rub.
How could it possibly be that price and made in the US. Its basically the same price as the normal Socom Elite and that doesn't have the extra milling on the blade or the finish and its an aluminum liner lock not a ti frame lock with CF. It would easily cost 2-3x as much if it was made in house by Microtech. There was customs made before think the last one I saw was $1500 so there you go a US version of basically the same knife.
A Zirc pivot collar would be SICK
The hardware screws tiny weiny ding dong small T6 screws.. I know I messed that up.. but I can’t stop laughing!! MC!!!! Dude you crack me up! 😂😂😂😂
Hey MC, do you still recomend breakfree milspec clp as your knife cleaner of choice?
Where was this knife for sale at ?
A year-maybe two- then quality goes in the shitter.
No... Rike has been around for years. Your comment doesn't have any reasoning or knowledge behind it.
They just became available with partial serrations and a Marfione signed box on the Microtech Gear site so I ordered the s/e version. China or not there are a lot of them sold on Ebay for more than retail. Check their sold listings.
well it looks heavy as hell! i wonder what it weighs! i will stick with my udt and ludt!
Awesome vid MC, cheers!
I can already hear the poachers weeping and gnashing their teeth😃
I am very pleased Microtech finally got into the production groove with their SoCom.
Now all we need is for Hinderer to kick out some production lines for us.
Hinderer already has. Kershaw and ZT as well as Viper knives.
@@matsherwood6277
No I’m talking Hinderer Firetac, XM 18, etc in production.
I really don’t care where something is made as long as it’s a good product
Yeah. You know why?? Cause no matter what we do or don't buy, regardless of who made it, and how much they got paid to do so (if at all), it won't change what the position of the worker. Especially from factories and it doesn't change the fact that the product is the quality it is.
@@jimdobbs1861
But that means 85% of products are off limits then 😢
Very informative videos. Keep up the great work. I just found the Socom Bravo in stock and purchased one. Do you know of a deep-carry pocket clip option for this knife?
I haven't wanted a new knife for awhile, but I WANT one of these!
Also I actually prefer a knife that sticks up a bit from my pocket, I wear pretty thick gloves at work so a knife that sits deep in my pocket can be somewhat hard to grab from my pocket
Got the Elite, will get the Bravo. Looks fantastic.
"Overseas" ? Just say where it's made ffs.
You serious? You don't think it's obvious? Does the Chinese dragon on the front not give it away? It's made in CHINA! 🤦♂️
Would it matter where though? I mean honestly if it’s not made in the US are you going to buy it anyway?
@@metal_complex seemed like you were really avoiding saying China for some reason. Idk
@@landontreinen3062 not from Microtech but I do own a Kizer and a Civivi so I'm not opposed to it.
@@Vex-Milk sweet, more better made Bravo’s for the rest of us. Thanks for taking one for the team bud. I’d rather spend less money for a better made product lol.
I think it is really cool. I have always wanted the regular Socom Elite
So glad you made a vid on this, I just bought one and it's awesome to see your expertise on this knife. Now I know I made an excellent choice.
this wasnt a review... he is offering his first impressions... It probably is a great knife since Rike does good work but basing the validity of your purchase off an unboxing and first impressions isnt what I would suggest, what matters is that you like it because you spent your money on it.. but just go look at the difference between MC's first impressions of the SOG Pentagon OTF and his actual review, his reaction was a positive and hopeful one, the review revealed a lot of negatives... take my opinion with a grain of salt just thought you should know this was not a review of how good or bad the knife was.. just first impressions
@@Rollshambo I don’t think he asked for your “suggestions” or “grains of salt.”
Lol! The Bravo is waaaaay nicer.
Slave made microtechs....what!!!!
I want one… don’t care about location in this case… If my XM18 was how it is now, but made somewhere other than the US I’d still love it… I think this would be the case with the Bravo too….
I use all my knives and some hard usage also, so maintenance is a must to keep that great action so T8s are a must for me now. The good manufacturers are listening?
Your comment on the small hardware of the socom elite had me cracking up that was hilarious
I got one of the socom bravo's and I love it my favorite knife is my Emerson extra heavy duty CQC 7 and this is about time with that as my favorite life as well now it is made in China but it's assembled here and it's lasered with microtech here and all the parts are American the steals American all the parts are made from a mirror or from America so it's basically made in China but with American steel and titanium and regardless of where it's made it's a reputable knife company and they did an excellent job I watch the torture test on this knife and would challenge any folder to match it in a torture test
That tip up pocket clip is nice.
Lanyard hole is Part of the Signature silhouette.
Sure, this is a beautiful knife and way more value but no real Microtech to me.
I'm a Hinderer Xm18 guy, but I like that knife. I'm in Canada so no Otf's, I might just buy a Microtech.
325 is a solid price. Not sure why you'd ever pay similar for the elite
Never used a pocket clip not wise in the uk.
Gravity is only a theory. What you are describing is density and buoyancy.
I'm just gonna go with gravity. Thanks though 👍
Companies like this one and Reate are redefining what Made in China means. Top quality.
Looks better than my Socom Delta! Definitely dressier!
I don’t buy Chinese knives anymore. I’ve handled WE and Reate knives but to me they are all the same. To see Microtech moving some of their products to China is really disappointing especially because of their reputation as one of the leading American knife companies.
You will eventually or you won’t be buying knives anymore unfortunately it’s the way the world is going. China will rule us soon. 😢
If this was US made by Marfione it would be 2 grand. I can’t wait to get one and tie my 300 dollar titanium combat bead to that lanyard hole.
It's just a Chinese rebrand. You should just save up and buy a microtech....er, wait,...🤣 The 300 dollar bead is too nail on head!!! Love it 😂
@@joeisabella6811 what does Chinese rebrand even mean honestly? I keep seeing that and I don’t get it. I’m not really a microtech guy tbh they’re a bit too “tactical ninja/overpriced because we sell them in gun stores to gun people” for me lol.
@UC3Zy885S23yMV_Z_KY1HoHA PFFFFFFF 😂😂😂 kick rocks buddy. You can throw away your money if that’s your prerogative.
@@landontreinen3062 every non microtech otf video on TH-cam has at least one, usually more, rabid microtech fan calling anything but a microtech, Chinese made rebranded junk sold here under a different name. I know it's not an otf in the video but it's just funny to say it about microtech and watch people try to say it's any different. Lol. I'm a big fan of knife collecting and have both cheap and expensive ones built all over the world. Collect what makes you happy is my opinion. Still, I do enjoy a good laugh and stirring the pot now and then 😄
@@joeisabella6811 yeah we think exactly the same. Enjoy 😄
Supposedly it’s quite easy to deannodize titanium back to its original color. Was what I had planned but as I am left handed the grip did not work at all for me. So sad I had to return, but you need a knife that locks in and the improved pocket clip is really terrible to grip left handed. Bummer.
The blue is for plain edge and the gold ring is on serrated and half serrated
Either the tip down gang or the lanyard lobby is gonna win out. You can't get rid of both of them.
I don't really understand the lanyard hold on the original Socom Elite. Its tip down. Isn't the point of the lanyard to help get the knife out of your pocket and its tip down so the lanyard sure isn't helping there or if the knife is small I could see having a lanyard but you would have to have some massive hands to need that with a Socom I can see with a fixed blade too if you are chopping or something but that is a fixed so I just don't get the lanyard hole with the Elite lol
The US. Made now looks like a clumsy knockoff. 🙈
What are you saying? 🤣
Looks great! Would love to have one. All nationalism aside it does strike me oddly that microtech decided to make this move. At the end of the day though we have an interesting and probably well made knife in our pocket
It's not about nationalism. It's about not giving a dime to the CCP for your hobby.
@@LordTywinLannistertheBased so nationalism is when a country and its people believe that the nation should come first especially at the detriment of another. What you are saying is inherently nationalism and thats fine but you should see it for what it is
@@mcsquirgle Nationalism implies favoritism for one's own country at the expense of others. But I have no issue ordering from Taiwan, Japan, Germany, or any other friendly nation. It's not just about America. I'll order a knife from China once they stop committing crimes against humanity, attempting to exterminate entire ethnic groups in their country, trying to claim swaths of international waters and sovereign soil of other nations, and threatening the longest period of peace that the major powers of the world have had in history, but not a moment sooner. You can call it nationalism all you want, I simply see it as being morally against horrid practices of a hostile government and refusing to allow the money I spend on my hobby to used to finance their crimes.
@@LordTywinLannistertheBased nationalism doesnt imply anything. You can pick and choose which nations you promote and which ones you dont and still be a nationalist. Be loud and proud bro
@@mcsquirgle Ok Dunning-Kruger, look up the definition of a nationalist. Regardless, I don"t care if you do, because I would much rather be considered a nationalist than to kowtow to such an iniquitous organization as the CCP.
Two things right off the bat. Carbonfiber on both sides and friggin love the back spacer. That's a winner.
I think it looks a lot better than the Elite IMO, and I've been wanting a Socom for a while now. I'm not hung up on where it's made as long as it's quality.
I've had mine about a week now and wait give it some more time it gets even smoother my only issue is the pocket clip it's hard to get in and out of my pocket otherwise rike did a nice job
i bought a chaves tak and the pocket clip is similar because there both made by rike knives it tore up my pants pocket! i took the clip to a belt sander and fixed the clip
What do you think about the Sokosha? Marfione/CKF collab
we have been waiting years for that collab and now its finally here and they only make 200 or so knives and give them to one distributor. kinda stupid
Love mine and the Bravo. I was itching to buy one of the fancy CKFs NC Blade just had too but I think they started at $1200 and as much as I have spent lately didn't need to drop that much more. The normal Sokosha was $600 alone
I think having ryke make the knife gives people a chance to own a more custom knife at a reasonable price. We all know if that knife was made here it would be double if not triple the price.
I just wish they were regularly making the US made socoms. I prefer the grippy inserts and aluminum handles to titanium and carbon fiber. If they had reate make socom elites for around $250 I would probably buy one if the US version wasn't available.
Chicom Bravo
I’m a proud owner of a WE 811 tyche but I’m not sure if I’d buy a Chinese knife as easy as I’d buy an American knife.
I love it. Out of stock though.
Nice! A high quality knife 👍👍
Excellent knife. Only thing to add is like if not shut up! Lol
If I ignore that it is made in China, there are still two features I do not like. First, the unnecessary machined channels on the blade. Smooth blade profile makes for better cutting AND the channels will just collect gunk. Second, frame lock. Yuck.
Well, time to sell my Socom Elites, might pick up a Hinderer to replace it.
Made in China make me lose respect for Microtech. It devalues the name to people that only buy Made In USA knives. Taiwan i can do from Cold Steel but a China Microtech? No thanks.
Gotta have a HUGE lanyard hole for the $100.00 fricking beads and sh!t urrrgghhhh
Thumbstudds look exactly the same.
Gotta help Tony get that bigger house and Lambo.
I want to see a comparison between this and the new CKF Sokosha Marfione collab
I have both. There was just another drop with some special Sokosha I was drooling over but I already have the one and didn't really want to spend $1k to $1500 whatever they were think the timascus was $1500 and those others with polished DLC and fatcarbon were $1200 maybe something like that. They are both amazing just the CKF is one that was really hard to get not sure if there is anymore either so you might be better off just buying the Bravo since it isn't one that is so hard to get and its about half the price but both are amazing
I couldn't care less where the production Socom Bravo is made, my issue is how Microtech has handled the release and sale of the model. I emailed them to purchase the day it was released. No reply. Emailed again. No reply. Turns out, they ignored me because I have a California shipping address and they refuse to ship any products to CA. Microtech has some great designs but their customer service and communication are really lacking. Not to mention all of the warranty horror stories that have been circulating over the last decade.
It's just a rebranded Chinese knife....😂
I had to say it!! Lol! Great video per usual brother!
I think you have it flipped lol
Brand new to the knife world... Can anyone guide me to where I can purchase this? All I'm finding are sold out knives by way of the link in description... or one on the secondary for almost $700. Are these all sold out?
Thank you... love the video and reading the comments.
These are being sold directly from Microtech. You won't see this knife listed at their site. Visit the website, and send an email to customer service.
Thank you@@garydales5233 ! I wrote them and was instructed on how to purchase one BUT they didn't say how much they cost. Do you have a general idea on cost? Thanks again!
$325
@@metal_complex Thank you!!! Btw... yes.. the "controversy" is what drew my attention to this piece... you were right. Lol
Thanks again!
They are currently available on Microtech gear (their website) for $400 because they are signed by Anthony Marfione
I need this! U selling it?
if they would've made it all titanium i would buy it not a big fan of the carbon fiber
I dig it. Wonder if they will eventually migrate north to Canada @_@