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yeah was thinking the same thing, about a year ago when I last played props quite a bit, it was usually true except US teams were lawnmowing from the start. Now it seems no matter which nation, most of your team doesn't bother to climb
@@kilux85 i used to climb at the start of every game as a us pilot but now it seems that lawnmowering works better because i just end up getting lasered by some bomber or some unholy russian plane and also on deck i can kill off the planes that came out of a dogfight out of energy
@@syfi9531 its a time invested vs rewards gained equation. if you can get to the middle of the map, kill a bunch of tanks/pillboxes and maybe one or two enemy planes doing the same thing before dying in the first 5 min, you can be into the next game doing the same thing gaining more rp and SL by the time the people on your team in the first game who climbed even get to see the enemy. its just the most efficient grinding technique, throw your plane at the wall, die and re-queue as fast as possible. climbing is objectively the best way to influence the match and win, its the best way to achieve the HIGHEST score games, games where you get huge kill counts etc. its also the most fun from a simulator perspective. but its also the easiest way to spend 8 minutes climbing and have the entire enemy team die before you even see anyone and finish the game with lower score after 15mins than a guy who crashed being shotdown by AA bonus points to the grind if you can get a super fast prop at its BR with an airspawn (wyvern/tempest vickers P/do335 etc). because that headstart gives you 3 minutes of grinding ground targets before the enemy fighters have even taken off almost. this is bad teamwork, its bad for the game, but its good for the individuals grind
An important thing to note, there is such a thing as climbing too much. You dont want to have so much of an energy advantage that your plane cant take advantage of. Be aware of your max speed and when your controls start to lock up and you cant turn or pull out of the dive. If you have to bleed energy to get down to then go full speed on a dive, you went too high.
It's also worth noting that some planes really start suffering above a certain altitude; for example, the Yak-3(P) is effectively useless once you exceed about 5 km
It is also worth mentioning that not every plane can climb well enough to ever get in a good position compared to the enemy. Italian planes are especially suffering from this. Often by the time you get to a useable altitude there are no more enemies to kill or your team is dead and you will eventually get too many enemies going after you to deal with. I found that these planes are best flown at a lower altitude, close to your team. If you are alone and two or three aircraft with better engines start chasing you it is only a matter of time when you are forced to turn and stall out in front of their guns. It is sad to say as a completionist but some vehicles are just not worth grinding. I'm sure someone can make even those work but I only fly aircraft to get cas planes for ground rb and it's not worth the effort in my case.
I remember when I started playing this game back in 2013, it would always be a matter of which team could climb the most. It is so rare now to have dogfights above 5k meters and it seems like matches always end up like the one at 3:32.
Can confirm. I used to dog fight in Battlefield and GTA V Online originally, so the concept of altitude wasn't new to me, but for some reason when I recently started playing War Thunder, literally everybody fights below 3000 meters, so it's always only me and some bombers being at really high altitudes. But there's also the skill issue of me hardly turning and having poor ass aim lol.
So long story short... if you're playing an american plane, you will try to climb and by the time you have climbed, there will be 5-6 BF 109s above you waiting in the middle of the map. Unless you're playing a King Cobra. Then you're on the same altitude, but there's 5 of them. So buy a premium UFO...I mean xp 50 and grind out everything in it. EDIT: But I do say , your video is good and your tips ARE valid. They are easier with some nations then others, this is embedded in the chore grind mechanic of the game. Keep up the good work!!!
The UFO reference made me chuckle cause that's what it feels like when I get in a dogfight with an XP 50. Never had one follow me under a low bridge or weaving thru the trees successfully tho
@@OGMaverickGaming Air RB would be an awesome mode if it had one side attacking, so bombers with escorts - and the other side defending with fighters and interceptors. And everyone starts at say 6 km height. And the action starts 2 minutes after you spawn. That way , the whole gotcha mechanic of climbing is out of the window. And some premiums should not be so OP.
@@mrcaboosevg6089 The sad part is that this wouldn't make the grind quicker, but the game more fun! The best way to grind air rb is to play a bomber. More consistent and reliable then playing a fighter.
@@garathminis5108 I've played as a bomber plenty of times and it always ends the same way, dead before even getting close. At least with jets, props is better if i remember right. Tier late tier 4 to early 5 if you try and fly a heavy bomber, you have props and they have jet engines, you can't climb fast enough to get away and the entire enemy team sees you as an easy kill. Higher tiers like the F4 are great for bombing, easily kill a base and you can join in the dog fight with good tactics
One thing NO ONE ever talks about is landing and taking off, it gives you a 50% bonus to RP and SL (or something, I don't know the exact number (I'm not a data miner OK)). If you have time to RTB or kill 3 ground units, go for base you get wayyyyyyyyyy more (but if you can do both then yeah, do that) but the most important part is the take off. If I remember correctly it was added as a way of giving bombers in SIM a reason to land and not just 'J' out after dumping bombs . bombers finally did something good for the game
@@Thunderbox247 wait so you're saying that if I say - kill 2 guys - instead of immediately going for ground units after, it's better to return to base cause I will legit gain a huge boost to my score?
I have been playing ground RB since like forever as my last air RB battle was in like 2015 or so. I recently decided that I wanted to play more planes (I already play them a lot in ground RB, but I wanted to only play those). The tech tree I was the most advanced in was the french tech tree, having to grind only one plane to get my first jet, and when I got it I was CLUELESS. Like really, the best I could do in a match was taking down some AI planes or some ground pound. Started seeking help on youtube, stumbled on your channel, started to apply the tips and things I saw in your vids (and some other creators as well) and I'm now comfortably pulling off 3 to 4 kills games in the MD 452 IIA (which I don't think it particularly good, but that's the best I have for now). I gotta say that that's oddly satifying to see a game from start to finish, actually using your skills and game sense towards really tipping the balance towards victory or defeat. In ground RB, there is so much player that even if you get 15 kills, you're not guarranteed to win at all and sometimes there is just so much you can do that actually getting kills doesn't matter. You'd get the victory sooner or delay defeat for a bit longer and that's about it.
There is another very important thing: It's better to lose your altitude than your life If multiple people are fighting you, don't go into a sustained turnfight. You'll die, period (unless you're flying a kawasaki). Instead, become faster than one of them and perform a "smashed barrel roll" maneuver. When done correctly, you will end up with flyable speed and an overshooting opponent
Researching faster and getting more lions does not come from getting good, it comes from not being bad. If you can get atleast 1 or 2 kills a game, then you will usually get around 2k RP. But going on 5 kill games or so still seems to give about the same. Atleast for me thats usually how it goes.
@@gman7281 well yeah that's arcade. Arcade has insanely low gains for currency. To be completely honest, I don't even recognize arcade as a game mode anymore. It really just isn't worth playing in almost every form.
Honestly Mt friend earns more rp than I do all the time yet performs bottom of the leaderboard in kills etc where I can be top and have 7 kills and end the match with 800rp where he with 0 captures maybe 1 kill will get over 3k rp
*_For more than 5 years in War Thunder i've never touched an Plane once because i have been always scared (i just cannot aim properly without this helping dot on the Ground Radar Vehicles) but now i want to start my Sky Journey for zero with Germany but a im so bad at flying. This video gives me a Courage to try...... flying! Thank You Sir!_* 🤗
Remember the velocity of each type of rounds, then use one as the reference (e.g. 800m/s) and adjust from that if your current rounds are faster/slower than that
just a tip, try not to consider yourself a failure if you are only showing bad aim. if you are having good approaches, and are surviving for long time periods, your tactics are probably heading in the right direction. unfortunately your aim is what decides your score. just try not to be too brutal on yourself if you are at least able to get good placement and attack. aim will come with time and experience with the plane. also, get the hell out of arcade battles unless you are trying to unlock mods for multiple planes at once. all arcade is going to do is make you dependent on an aim reticule that isnt all that acurate anyways since it only considers where the enemy will be if they continue to fly straight at that precise moment
if only i had this issue, i dont even survive when i try to engage or when i try to survive i often dont even shoot a single shot before getting chased and shot-down myself :/. i climb but im either too slow at climbing or too high and cant do anything anymore and its really fucking frustrating... and losing money for such a match is just the cherry on the brown icecream
@@organicleaf it's really tough to "see the moment" like defyn does.. choosing who to go after, judging what to risk when... Also what are you flying? Is it bad at high altitude?
@@organicleaf if i recall, the yak is better below 3000 meters, the prop looses effectiveness, and the surfaces suck up high, do you know if the yak u use has the super charger? That's prolly why you are getting chased down so much, a yak up high going slow is considered an easy kill in a lot of lobbies.
Bro big fan, and this video couldnt have come at a better time. Ive recently found the courage to play air rb bc of ur vids and im now making stupid lions and rp on that tech tree, thank you!
i got better in Ta-152H, mainly played this for 1.5 years and became almost immortal doing defensive flight and shutting down engine when on fire, get kills with stall fighting, vertical fighting, boom and zoom.
I think the most important thing to learn is not altitude advantage, is knowing the planes, because if you don't know how the planes stack against each other you are not going to put that altitude and energy to it's best use, for example at 4:09 going straight up right there was pretty risky because even if you have more energy than him the P-36 is very maneuverable, has very low stall speed and has .50 cals, so if he wasn't engaged by the spitfire he could just pitched up for you and spray you down. You said that having altitude advantage is a huge advantage, you are not wrong, but again depends on the plane because say the enemy has a altitude advantage but he is in a bad plane like the S-199 and you are in a very strong plane like the P-39N, if you dodge his first past he is dead because the performance difference is so big that it doesn't matter if he has the altitude advantage if you are paying attention.
i am a very new player to air rb and i havent quite got the situational awareness to get kills in matches as common as others but this has made more sense than any other guide i have watched. too bad that everybody on the enemy team always goes just that bit higher and my brain just forgets to be on the lookout.
Helps a lot to ace a crew for a plane and to play lower tiers than your highest tier unlocked. I've been messing around with the German G.50 the last couple days and have a 50:1 k/d without trying much and no flying to camp airfield AAA like 90% of scrubs. The death was from bellyflopping onto ground from packet loss 😂
Also, when organising crews, it's more efficient to have all planes to one crew slot, as you can quickly increase the skill levels of your pilot compared to having your planes distributed among many crew slots.
It continues to be painful to not see people even in the higher tiers exercise this concept. Even in the damn harrier where I have not much dogfighting capability I'll get many kills just because I went to 20k feet faster than anyone and got on to someone's six.
the reason you got to 20k feet before anyone else is because its a harrier, you get off of the airfield about a solid minute before anyone else, and when i try to go to altitude, there's already a harrier going pretty fast compared to me going around 350-400 kph (217-248 mph) and cannot evade. it ruins the gameplay.
@@u_nuub339 Im well aware, yet Ill see harriers remaining on the deck when they have a clear advantage to a10/su25 spam in climb. This video really is only wrong when going 11.3 br with radar missiles, but even then a f14 with a height advantage wins.
Please do a vid on your controls man... its one thing to look behind you when someone is on your 6 - but that smooth way you keep the camera on them after they over shoot and then you line up the shot - can't get that going. I release the look around and it snaps back to center and I end up losing the plane in front of me... plus the look around is restricted to 360 in the vertical plane for some reason... so sometimes in a long loop session camera gets stuck and then lose the plane. Would be greatly appreciated!
As a beginner I can say with more altitude other things like artillery, tanks and armored cars during ground control are a lot easier to kill and hit than zooming right by them in your enemies sights soon for you to be shot down
For beginners: The thing that kills you in ARB is usally a mistake you made up ti 2 minutes ago or so. Positioning is everything. If you always have good position you are either really hard or impossible to shoot down When it comes to missle BRs, positionig AND awareness.
allso knowing your manouvrebility and firepower can make or break a grind. example: a lot of british planes make use of the hispano 20mm. while i have seen people shittalk the hispanos the reality is that once you learn them you can consistently use only them for your planes. great damage, mabye low velocity but that can be learnt with leading. other than that top speed is less important than horsepower per ton. sadly wt doesnt say how heavy a plane is, but you can still go for planes with strong engines to get better speed recovery in a dogefight. if you can manover good thats fine. but if you are a sitting duck afterwards that puts you in a bad spot. if you have bombs and get caught up in a dogefight drop em! they are no use to you if you are dead. learn to lead. get consistent. set a targeting range that works for you. keep your eyes occationally on the hit message bellow the map. if you hit an elevator or flap chanse is that your enemy is severly crippeled. hitting for example a radiator is not gonna do much for you immediatly. know how to engage heavily protected targets. if a plane have heavy turretcoverage you can bait it to shoot before you actually are within engagement distance. evaluate if you actually can take that thing down. how much damage can you take in the process before you must turn back. where to approatch on certain targets. damage: it is your friend. the bf109g6 gets 20s and 30s. use the 30s and get used to be conservative with your ammo. having only 70 bullets is a great exercise to force the brain to make better use of each shot. fire in bursts. in a head on lay down a net of bullets then get out of your enemys bullet trajectory. congrats you live to shoot again, he doesnt. learn how to take care of your plane. before getting to the central battlefield it can be beneficial to stay off wep and let the engine cool. wep can help in a dodgefight, and having a cooler engine makes you more prepaired. know your fuel time! occationally you will get a big map. know how to land your plane. most props can be belly landed no sweat. if you allso wingtoutch before setting down you can create more drag and slow down faster. when you get to jets you quickly find out that some jets just plain explode if you try to belly land tho. so be careful with those. for instance if your left gear is shot it is still smarter to pull out the right and land on a wingtip and a gear. tho some times you can belly land jets. controls: c(freecam) is important. you can be aware of where enemies are even if you dont face them right click(zoom) seeing the enemy can help with leading. as you know the enemys orientation and can thus predict its path mouse wheel, shift, control(throttle) please for the love of god dont use w and s for throttle. you need those for pitch. pitch and roll is very important to executing manouvers while looking at your enemy. yaw is less important but is useful on runways and formation flying. 1, 2 (guns) if you have several diffrent gun calibres onboard, sometimes it can be beneficial to use just one type for a sitioasjon. mouse click still fires all of them anyways. squadron point can allso help if you have friends. can be usefull in air matches, but most usefull while flying in ground matches. allso turn off orientation restriction near the ground so you have full control
I have to opposite problem. I'm not just that they seem to be able to hit me with one shot every time. When thrre underneath me or above me .... I would hit their plane thousands of times they get one shot I'm gone . When doing ground strikes I climbed to the highest altitude takes 2 to 3 minutes one small shity plane hits me once and my plane explodes. And if I try to do that and I hit him 100 times and he still do not die. That's the problem I'm having with this broken game
The reason that at the start at the game i didnt like realistic battles is because i kept ripping my wings or slamming to the ground, now, 2 years later, is where i farm with my swede planes, researching tier 3 right now babeee.
Ive been intimidated for a long time by air battles. Kept trying them and getting chewed out immediately. Finally spent an afternoon getting familiar with 4 planes in a private room and gave it another shot. Worked better but still was getting chewed out badly, so i left em alone for a while again. But like all things, something was missing from my ground force and i gave in for another shot at planes. So i started flying high and diving down on enemies like you do in your video and i immediately saw some results. I then learned how to properly dog fight by trial and error and now i can condidentely say that im leaving planes once again because man i suck theres nothing to be done in my case, i just suck at it 🙃
What if you climb to like 5 km altitude and entire enemy team is at like 1-2 km? How do you do in that situation? And what if you face a more maneuverable plane at the same altitude as you (japanese planes) then what? Everybody says to climb and not what to do afterwards. I know to point my nose up and go afk but that wont get me kills.
@@ugarit5 Didn't answer their question. If a fighter who's faster and more maneuverable than you is on your level you are fucked. The best you can do is play defensively, get them on your ass, hope they can't nail you with a lucky 20mm, and if you survive and they passed you, you have one shot to tail them and nail them. Otherwise you're dead.
I heard everybody say this but actually used this in a game (just now) and it made the game so much eaasier.Thx for such simple words that make all the difference.
ive been using the boom and zoon technique and been after bombers as well. Progression is going fast and smooth sailing. been getting at least 5 kills in each plane.
Its true what you say, but might be a really good thing if you show a little video of how to get to a good altitude,I find it difficult in Air RB, to climb to a decent altitude from take off. So that might be a quick vid for you to make. Other than that, great vid.
I will comment: climbing to space to catch an enemy in space while your team dies also isnt a good choice. Target selection is key and you'll learn good target selection over time.
i mean..this whole video is true but a thing that people dont really speak about is the other side, depending on the nation and the plane you might have a hard time outclimbing your oponent so...Any tips on defensive flight against booming oponents?
I'm so glad I only played the game to get the vehicles I like or I think would be fun to play. Which all of them were either in tier 3 or tier 2. With maybe one or two in tier 4.
It feels like ayers on WT have become more dumb, like, I remember when almost EVERYONE used to climb, now, it's usually only half, or sometimes only 1 or 2 people from each team, I mean it makes it fun for us that climb, just feel a little boring.
> Play American > Climb for 5 mins to have a chance > take one (1) stray .50 from a german plane 2.3 km below > whole plane explodes -Realize that the game is played in 10 second bursts with 5-6 min wait times for matches (the 10 second death and the 5 min climb)
>climb for 5 minutes >see the entire enemy team below >try to dive on a japanese plane >he sees it coming and rolls away >you miss your strafe >now the japanese plane is on your ass' within 5 microseconds >dies pathetically
It feels like if someone shoots a single bullet in your direction and it misses you lose all of your oil and fly away to die somewhere. At least that has been my expirience unless im about to get a kill then i lose connection
I hope America mains watch this and finally start climbing above 1km. And/or stop diving on the first attacker they see. I'm tired of trying to solo 3 spits, 2 190s and an a7m almost every game. It causes physical pain when I see a fighter carrying bombs in ARB. They might as well be an empty slot on your team.
the biggest problem i have with air RB is that half the time you spend 15 minutes climbing to a good altitude only for the whole enemy team to have died already to people who didn't bother climbing and you've wasted the match with absolutely no participation whatsoever
so ive been playing for about 3-4 months now and i have not once heard boom and zoom NOR did i hear about 'altitude-is-best' thing... THANK YOU SO MUCH... I can now reach podium finishes W/O using a bomber :D I am what they call a VETERAN NOOB hahaha yay me!
If i don't have altidute i always wair for the enemy to come to me and keep my speed up so i can maneuver away from their attacks, never go to the enemy if they are higher because you will fail and die
I love how I shoot 1000 rounds into an airplane and maybe get 2 hits, but this guy has clips of him just casually one tapping pilots out of their planes
hmmmm yes…. but what if im in my Ta 152H in jet match with SU 11 on my six? 😂 i mean i still manage to reverse (or stall out) literally anything in my old rusty trusty Ta 152 but what if i’m in 8v8 match, 3 fighters in my team, 1 of them goes ground pounding and the second one stays low and dies on first head-on with a frickn… idk lol… let’s say bearcat… what do you do in that literally 1v7 scenario where most of your enemies are faster, climb better than you, turn better than you and they can sit on your ass forever since you just can’t reverse them (bcs of awesome energy retention of ta152)? what do you do? it ends up usually with 2-4 kills on my side but i still die and we lose because we have a shitload of ju 288s? but in general everything you said is true, confirmed :D
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Flies American planes. Sideclimbs for five minutes. Rest of the team is now dead and most of the enemy team is still at an higher altitude.
I tried this in the p51c10 either it's that scenario or it's a flight simulator you're 7000m up and the enemy's camping on the AF.
Or watch as 5 teammates chase the first bomber they see and either die or waste all their ammo in the first 2 minutes.
@@ccramit or dive to 1m off the ground and get boom and zoomed and then he is at 1m and gets boom and zoomed
This is the most true statement I’ve ever read!!! It’s so frustrating.
So damn true.
"That's why you see every single person climb as high as they can at the start of a match"
tell me more of this fantastical land of milk and honey.
yeah was thinking the same thing, about a year ago when I last played props quite a bit, it was usually true except US teams were lawnmowing from the start. Now it seems no matter which nation, most of your team doesn't bother to climb
@@kilux85 pretty sure most people just play air rb to farm SL
@@kilux85 i used to climb at the start of every game as a us pilot but now it seems that lawnmowering works better because i just end up getting lasered by some bomber or some unholy russian plane and also on deck i can kill off the planes that came out of a dogfight out of energy
@@syfi9531 its a time invested vs rewards gained equation.
if you can get to the middle of the map, kill a bunch of tanks/pillboxes and maybe one or two enemy planes doing the same thing before dying in the first 5 min, you can be into the next game doing the same thing gaining more rp and SL by the time the people on your team in the first game who climbed even get to see the enemy. its just the most efficient grinding technique, throw your plane at the wall, die and re-queue as fast as possible.
climbing is objectively the best way to influence the match and win, its the best way to achieve the HIGHEST score games, games where you get huge kill counts etc. its also the most fun from a simulator perspective. but its also the easiest way to spend 8 minutes climbing and have the entire enemy team die before you even see anyone and finish the game with lower score after 15mins than a guy who crashed being shotdown by AA
bonus points to the grind if you can get a super fast prop at its BR with an airspawn (wyvern/tempest vickers P/do335 etc). because that headstart gives you 3 minutes of grinding ground targets before the enemy fighters have even taken off almost. this is bad teamwork, its bad for the game, but its good for the individuals grind
@@TheBrDeath Me with the Wyvern, Tempest Vickers P, and both (non-premium) Do-335s: I feel attacked
An important thing to note, there is such a thing as climbing too much. You dont want to have so much of an energy advantage that your plane cant take advantage of. Be aware of your max speed and when your controls start to lock up and you cant turn or pull out of the dive. If you have to bleed energy to get down to then go full speed on a dive, you went too high.
It's also worth noting that some planes really start suffering above a certain altitude; for example, the Yak-3(P) is effectively useless once you exceed about 5 km
It is also worth mentioning that not every plane can climb well enough to ever get in a good position compared to the enemy. Italian planes are especially suffering from this. Often by the time you get to a useable altitude there are no more enemies to kill or your team is dead and you will eventually get too many enemies going after you to deal with. I found that these planes are best flown at a lower altitude, close to your team. If you are alone and two or three aircraft with better engines start chasing you it is only a matter of time when you are forced to turn and stall out in front of their guns. It is sad to say as a completionist but some vehicles are just not worth grinding. I'm sure someone can make even those work but I only fly aircraft to get cas planes for ground rb and it's not worth the effort in my case.
I remember when I started playing this game back in 2013, it would always be a matter of which team could climb the most. It is so rare now to have dogfights above 5k meters and it seems like matches always end up like the one at 3:32.
25 minute match-time really hasn't helped either
Can confirm.
I used to dog fight in Battlefield and GTA V Online originally, so the concept of altitude wasn't new to me, but for some reason when I recently started playing War Thunder, literally everybody fights below 3000 meters, so it's always only me and some bombers being at really high altitudes.
But there's also the skill issue of me hardly turning and having poor ass aim lol.
Sounds like you don't play high teir realistic.. more sweaty than rust
So long story short... if you're playing an american plane, you will try to climb and by the time you have climbed, there will be 5-6 BF 109s above you waiting in the middle of the map.
Unless you're playing a King Cobra. Then you're on the same altitude, but there's 5 of them.
So buy a premium UFO...I mean xp 50 and grind out everything in it.
EDIT: But I do say , your video is good and your tips ARE valid. They are easier with some nations then others, this is embedded in the chore grind mechanic of the game. Keep up the good work!!!
The UFO reference made me chuckle cause that's what it feels like when I get in a dogfight with an XP 50. Never had one follow me under a low bridge or weaving thru the trees successfully tho
@@OGMaverickGaming
Air RB would be an awesome mode if it had one side attacking, so bombers with escorts - and the other side defending with fighters and interceptors.
And everyone starts at say 6 km height.
And the action starts 2 minutes after you spawn.
That way , the whole gotcha mechanic of climbing is out of the window.
And some premiums should not be so OP.
@@garathminis5108 That sounds way better but they'll never do anything that makes research quicker
@@mrcaboosevg6089
The sad part is that this wouldn't make the grind quicker, but the game more fun!
The best way to grind air rb is to play a bomber.
More consistent and reliable then playing a fighter.
@@garathminis5108 I've played as a bomber plenty of times and it always ends the same way, dead before even getting close. At least with jets, props is better if i remember right. Tier late tier 4 to early 5 if you try and fly a heavy bomber, you have props and they have jet engines, you can't climb fast enough to get away and the entire enemy team sees you as an easy kill. Higher tiers like the F4 are great for bombing, easily kill a base and you can join in the dog fight with good tactics
One thing NO ONE ever talks about is landing and taking off, it gives you a 50% bonus to RP and SL (or something, I don't know the exact number (I'm not a data miner OK)).
If you have time to RTB or kill 3 ground units, go for base you get wayyyyyyyyyy more (but if you can do both then yeah, do that) but the most important part is the take off. If I remember correctly it was added as a way of giving bombers in SIM a reason to land and not just 'J' out after dumping bombs .
bombers finally did something good for the game
That only is (or was) a thing in Sim battles iirc
@@kilux85 no it works in RB, I use it every chance I get and the difference in very noticeable
@@Thunderbox247 wait so you're saying that if I say - kill 2 guys - instead of immediately going for ground units after, it's better to return to base cause I will legit gain a huge boost to my score?
If this is true, that would be pretty cool. However, I have never noticed any improvements by landing and taking off in the middle of the match.
@@J4ckmaestro yes, it is nuts but it works
I have been playing ground RB since like forever as my last air RB battle was in like 2015 or so.
I recently decided that I wanted to play more planes (I already play them a lot in ground RB, but I wanted to only play those). The tech tree I was the most advanced in was the french tech tree, having to grind only one plane to get my first jet, and when I got it I was CLUELESS.
Like really, the best I could do in a match was taking down some AI planes or some ground pound.
Started seeking help on youtube, stumbled on your channel, started to apply the tips and things I saw in your vids (and some other creators as well) and I'm now comfortably pulling off 3 to 4 kills games in the MD 452 IIA (which I don't think it particularly good, but that's the best I have for now). I gotta say that that's oddly satifying to see a game from start to finish, actually using your skills and game sense towards really tipping the balance towards victory or defeat. In ground RB, there is so much player that even if you get 15 kills, you're not guarranteed to win at all and sometimes there is just so much you can do that actually getting kills doesn't matter. You'd get the victory sooner or delay defeat for a bit longer and that's about it.
There is another very important thing:
It's better to lose your altitude than your life
If multiple people are fighting you, don't go into a sustained turnfight. You'll die, period (unless you're flying a kawasaki). Instead, become faster than one of them and perform a "smashed barrel roll" maneuver. When done correctly, you will end up with flyable speed and an overshooting opponent
"Speed is life. Altitude is life insurance."
when you see those bf 109 above you, it feels like their above the earth's sphere of influence
Researching faster and getting more lions does not come from getting good, it comes from not being bad. If you can get atleast 1 or 2 kills a game, then you will usually get around 2k RP. But going on 5 kill games or so still seems to give about the same. Atleast for me thats usually how it goes.
Yup once landed a 7 kill air rb game, only 4k rp :(
A positive kd in arcade for new players at 2.0 to 3.0 br gives about 2k SL and 500 to 800 rp
@@gman7281 well yeah that's arcade. Arcade has insanely low gains for currency. To be completely honest, I don't even recognize arcade as a game mode anymore. It really just isn't worth playing in almost every form.
Honestly Mt friend earns more rp than I do all the time yet performs bottom of the leaderboard in kills etc where I can be top and have 7 kills and end the match with 800rp where he with 0 captures maybe 1 kill will get over 3k rp
Literally easier said than done 90% of the time I die without a kill. Pretty sure Atleast everyone is hacking no way that’s legit
*_For more than 5 years in War Thunder i've never touched an Plane once because i have been always scared (i just cannot aim properly without this helping dot on the Ground Radar Vehicles) but now i want to start my Sky Journey for zero with Germany but a im so bad at flying. This video gives me a Courage to try...... flying! Thank You Sir!_* 🤗
Remember the velocity of each type of rounds, then use one as the reference (e.g. 800m/s) and adjust from that if your current rounds are faster/slower than that
@@zihongezrali6053nah it’s spray and pray
just a tip, try not to consider yourself a failure if you are only showing bad aim. if you are having good approaches, and are surviving for long time periods, your tactics are probably heading in the right direction. unfortunately your aim is what decides your score. just try not to be too brutal on yourself if you are at least able to get good placement and attack. aim will come with time and experience with the plane. also, get the hell out of arcade battles unless you are trying to unlock mods for multiple planes at once. all arcade is going to do is make you dependent on an aim reticule that isnt all that acurate anyways since it only considers where the enemy will be if they continue to fly straight at that precise moment
if only i had this issue, i dont even survive when i try to engage or when i try to survive i often dont even shoot a single shot before getting chased and shot-down myself :/. i climb but im either too slow at climbing or too high and cant do anything anymore and its really fucking frustrating... and losing money for such a match is just the cherry on the brown icecream
@@organicleaf it's really tough to "see the moment" like defyn does.. choosing who to go after, judging what to risk when... Also what are you flying? Is it bad at high altitude?
@@jschuh0509 im still new and i just stick with the yak-7b rn and the blue lagg (cant remember the name rn)
@@organicleaf if i recall, the yak is better below 3000 meters, the prop looses effectiveness, and the surfaces suck up high, do you know if the yak u use has the super charger? That's prolly why you are getting chased down so much, a yak up high going slow is considered an easy kill in a lot of lobbies.
@@jschuh0509 i dont think so, no, only like the whole standard low br stuff, compressor, new motor, better injector and stuff like that
Bro big fan, and this video couldnt have come at a better time. Ive recently found the courage to play air rb bc of ur vids and im now making stupid lions and rp on that tech tree, thank you!
Hey jet, I was in the stream last night and thank you for making this. Your the only creator I’ve found who gives good tips
Bro you're a literal sniper in that plane. it usually takes me hundreds of bullets to hit someone
i got better in Ta-152H, mainly played this for 1.5 years and became almost immortal doing defensive flight and shutting down engine when on fire, get kills with stall fighting, vertical fighting, boom and zoom.
I think the most important thing to learn is not altitude advantage, is knowing the planes, because if you don't know how the planes stack against each other you are not going to put that altitude and energy to it's best use, for example at 4:09 going straight up right there was pretty risky because even if you have more energy than him the P-36 is very maneuverable, has very low stall speed and has .50 cals, so if he wasn't engaged by the spitfire he could just pitched up for you and spray you down. You said that having altitude advantage is a huge advantage, you are not wrong, but again depends on the plane because say the enemy has a altitude advantage but he is in a bad plane like the S-199 and you are in a very strong plane like the P-39N, if you dodge his first past he is dead because the performance difference is so big that it doesn't matter if he has the altitude advantage if you are paying attention.
even if this novermber im going to buy my first tier 7 plane i still have to learn a lot!! thx for the vid!!!
I like how I'm listening to this in game while making the mistakes he said not to do😂
i am a very new player to air rb and i havent quite got the situational awareness to get kills in matches as common as others but this has made more sense than any other guide i have watched. too bad that everybody on the enemy team always goes just that bit higher and my brain just forgets to be on the lookout.
Is good advice, shows examples, and is concise. Great video!
Helps a lot to ace a crew for a plane and to play lower tiers than your highest tier unlocked. I've been messing around with the German G.50 the last couple days and have a 50:1 k/d without trying much and no flying to camp airfield AAA like 90% of scrubs. The death was from bellyflopping onto ground from packet loss 😂
Also, when organising crews, it's more efficient to have all planes to one crew slot, as you can quickly increase the skill levels of your pilot compared to having your planes distributed among many crew slots.
Prop fighting is the most fun I’ve had playing a game in years I’m not even looking forward to jets
"Altitude is the most important thing".
Mean while Im flying so close to the ground that I can taste the dirt😂😂.
Damn, my guy uploaded the video I needed the most. Thx, keep the content coming.
It continues to be painful to not see people even in the higher tiers exercise this concept. Even in the damn harrier where I have not much dogfighting capability I'll get many kills just because I went to 20k feet faster than anyone and got on to someone's six.
the reason you got to 20k feet before anyone else is because its a harrier, you get off of the airfield about a solid minute before anyone else, and when i try to go to altitude, there's already a harrier going pretty fast compared to me going around 350-400 kph (217-248 mph) and cannot evade. it ruins the gameplay.
@@u_nuub339 Im well aware, yet Ill see harriers remaining on the deck when they have a clear advantage to a10/su25 spam in climb. This video really is only wrong when going 11.3 br with radar missiles, but even then a f14 with a height advantage wins.
@@leftnut7508 fair
Please do a vid on your controls man... its one thing to look behind you when someone is on your 6 - but that smooth way you keep the camera on them after they over shoot and then you line up the shot - can't get that going. I release the look around and it snaps back to center and I end up losing the plane in front of me... plus the look around is restricted to 360 in the vertical plane for some reason... so sometimes in a long loop session camera gets stuck and then lose the plane. Would be greatly appreciated!
As a beginner I can say with more altitude other things like artillery, tanks and armored cars during ground control are a lot easier to kill and hit than zooming right by them in your enemies sights soon for you to be shot down
For beginners:
The thing that kills you in ARB is usally a mistake you made up ti 2 minutes ago or so.
Positioning is everything.
If you always have good position you are either really hard or impossible to shoot down
When it comes to missle BRs, positionig AND awareness.
allso knowing your manouvrebility and firepower can make or break a grind. example: a lot of british planes make use of the hispano 20mm. while i have seen people shittalk the hispanos the reality is that once you learn them you can consistently use only them for your planes. great damage, mabye low velocity but that can be learnt with leading.
other than that top speed is less important than horsepower per ton. sadly wt doesnt say how heavy a plane is, but you can still go for planes with strong engines to get better speed recovery in a dogefight. if you can manover good thats fine. but if you are a sitting duck afterwards that puts you in a bad spot. if you have bombs and get caught up in a dogefight drop em! they are no use to you if you are dead.
learn to lead. get consistent. set a targeting range that works for you. keep your eyes occationally on the hit message bellow the map. if you hit an elevator or flap chanse is that your enemy is severly crippeled. hitting for example a radiator is not gonna do much for you immediatly.
know how to engage heavily protected targets. if a plane have heavy turretcoverage you can bait it to shoot before you actually are within engagement distance. evaluate if you actually can take that thing down. how much damage can you take in the process before you must turn back. where to approatch on certain targets.
damage: it is your friend. the bf109g6 gets 20s and 30s. use the 30s and get used to be conservative with your ammo. having only 70 bullets is a great exercise to force the brain to make better use of each shot. fire in bursts. in a head on lay down a net of bullets then get out of your enemys bullet trajectory. congrats you live to shoot again, he doesnt.
learn how to take care of your plane. before getting to the central battlefield it can be beneficial to stay off wep and let the engine cool. wep can help in a dodgefight, and having a cooler engine makes you more prepaired. know your fuel time! occationally you will get a big map.
know how to land your plane. most props can be belly landed no sweat. if you allso wingtoutch before setting down you can create more drag and slow down faster. when you get to jets you quickly find out that some jets just plain explode if you try to belly land tho. so be careful with those. for instance if your left gear is shot it is still smarter to pull out the right and land on a wingtip and a gear. tho some times you can belly land jets.
controls: c(freecam) is important. you can be aware of where enemies are even if you dont face them
right click(zoom) seeing the enemy can help with leading. as you know the enemys orientation and can thus predict its path
mouse wheel, shift, control(throttle) please for the love of god dont use w and s for throttle. you need those for pitch. pitch and roll is very important to executing manouvers while looking at your enemy. yaw is less important but is useful on runways and formation flying.
1, 2 (guns) if you have several diffrent gun calibres onboard, sometimes it can be beneficial to use just one type for a sitioasjon. mouse click still fires all of them anyways.
squadron point can allso help if you have friends. can be usefull in air matches, but most usefull while flying in ground matches.
allso turn off orientation restriction near the ground so you have full control
I have to opposite problem.
I'm not just that they seem to be able to hit me with one shot every time.
When thrre underneath me or above me ....
I would hit their plane thousands of times they get one shot I'm gone .
When doing ground strikes I climbed to the highest altitude takes 2 to 3 minutes one small shity plane hits me once and my plane explodes.
And if I try to do that and I hit him 100 times and he still do not die.
That's the problem I'm having with this broken game
The reason that at the start at the game i didnt like realistic battles is because i kept ripping my wings or slamming to the ground, now, 2 years later, is where i farm with my swede planes, researching tier 3 right now babeee.
Ive been intimidated for a long time by air battles. Kept trying them and getting chewed out immediately.
Finally spent an afternoon getting familiar with 4 planes in a private room and gave it another shot.
Worked better but still was getting chewed out badly, so i left em alone for a while again.
But like all things, something was missing from my ground force and i gave in for another shot at planes.
So i started flying high and diving down on enemies like you do in your video and i immediately saw some results.
I then learned how to properly dog fight by trial and error and now i can condidentely say that im leaving planes once again because man i suck theres nothing to be done in my case, i just suck at it 🙃
Sweden is the fastest tree. It's a very small tech tree so at around rank 4 and 5 is where the jets start coming around
What if you climb to like 5 km altitude and entire enemy team is at like 1-2 km? How do you do in that situation? And what if you face a more maneuverable plane at the same altitude as you (japanese planes) then what? Everybody says to climb and not what to do afterwards. I know to point my nose up and go afk but that wont get me kills.
Use your speed and do passes on them
@@ugarit5 Didn't answer their question. If a fighter who's faster and more maneuverable than you is on your level you are fucked. The best you can do is play defensively, get them on your ass, hope they can't nail you with a lucky 20mm, and if you survive and they passed you, you have one shot to tail them and nail them. Otherwise you're dead.
I heard everybody say this but actually used this in a game (just now) and it made the game so much eaasier.Thx for such simple words that make all the difference.
ive been using the boom and zoon technique and been after bombers as well. Progression is going fast and smooth sailing. been getting at least 5 kills in each plane.
This guy is headshotting everyone while casually talking the most simplistic things😂
"That's why you see every single person climb as high as they can at the start of a match"
Only on the enemy team tho lmao my team does not. :^)
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How's is this 3 Days ago for something posted today? About 30mins ago?
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Funny thing is this not only helps in war thunder but in wings of glory as well!
Its true what you say, but might be a really good thing if you show a little video of how to get to a good altitude,I find it difficult in Air RB, to climb to a decent altitude from take off. So that might be a quick vid for you to make.
Other than that, great vid.
thanks to this method i won a lot of matches in a row
Thanks for this I used to die like 100,000,000 times in a row before I won
I can’t boom and zoom because my gun are so sh*t that I have to follow them for one minute
Speed is life altitude is insurance
this helped me so much I was getting only 1 kill games before this now I am getting 6 to 5 kill games thanks so much!
I SUCK NOW I JUNXED MYSELF
@@ERRORCODE-mz3nv rip
I will comment: climbing to space to catch an enemy in space while your team dies also isnt a good choice. Target selection is key and you'll learn good target selection over time.
i mean..this whole video is true but a thing that people dont really speak about is the other side, depending on the nation and the plane you might have a hard time outclimbing your oponent so...Any tips on defensive flight against booming oponents?
I'm so glad I only played the game to get the vehicles I like or I think would be fun to play. Which all of them were either in tier 3 or tier 2. With maybe one or two in tier 4.
It feels like ayers on WT have become more dumb, like, I remember when almost EVERYONE used to climb, now, it's usually only half, or sometimes only 1 or 2 people from each team, I mean it makes it fun for us that climb, just feel a little boring.
Yea, I'm just gonna go ahead and climb in my Yak. Absolutely nothing bad is going to happen for sure.
You never win at war thunder you just do a little better every time
> Play American
> Climb for 5 mins to have a chance
> take one (1) stray .50 from a german plane 2.3 km below
> whole plane explodes
-Realize that the game is played in 10 second bursts with 5-6 min wait times for matches (the 10 second death and the 5 min climb)
I subscribed like one min in to the video bc you have a voice that is very easy to lissen to👍🏼
Great info! I never use boom and zoom or altitude advantages. Even after reaching jets this is useful.
luv the video❤. looking forward to a jet vid
The average american air rb experience:
Climb for five minutes, start turning (98364G force)
Gets hit once
dies
>climb for 5 minutes
>see the entire enemy team below
>try to dive on a japanese plane
>he sees it coming and rolls away
>you miss your strafe
>now the japanese plane is on your ass' within 5 microseconds
>dies pathetically
It feels like if someone shoots a single bullet in your direction and it misses you lose all of your oil and fly away to die somewhere. At least that has been my expirience unless im about to get a kill then i lose connection
BOOM AND ZOOM DOESNT WOORK FOR ME😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Stealth ammo is the best in my opinion. People tend not to react well of they can't see the bullets
BRO YOUR START WORKED I KILLLED A BOMBER BELOW ME AS I WAS GETTING SHOT DOWN
he literally said "git gud, just sideclimb bro" in 5 minute video. nice.
I got you to 8k likes😃
Jetnoob giving everyone his tip today 😏
I hope America mains watch this and finally start climbing above 1km. And/or stop diving on the first attacker they see. I'm tired of trying to solo 3 spits, 2 190s and an a7m almost every game.
It causes physical pain when I see a fighter carrying bombs in ARB. They might as well be an empty slot on your team.
Why is bombs bad? They let u hit the enemy bases with the bombers
Cool, now how do I get USA allies to climb above 600ft?
i got better just by watching you for 2 minutes lol
pro tip: you do not want to get to top tier just enjoy the game while you can
what if you sideclimb to get above everybody but your teams already wiped them out?
Then you're kinda boned.
I want that rematch Jet, preferably a jet or so lol
Oh no wonder why I keep dying, I was always below enemy planes
"tap the fire button and that's gonna kill him" meanwhile me who dumps 500 bullets into a plane and they don't die
I remember watching such videos and not mentioning max speed lmao.
Ripped my wings in my first Air RB game 🤣🤣🤣
I need help on this pls every time I play realistic it’s a no respawn thing this wasn’t like this before pls help!!!
Thank you 🙏
the biggest problem i have with air RB is that half the time you spend 15 minutes climbing to a good altitude only for the whole enemy team to have died already to people who didn't bother climbing and you've wasted the match with absolutely no participation whatsoever
Thank you I’m actually good now
ok but how is he one shotting all those planes near the beginning
this is what I've been asking since my first one-shot death
i still think this game is just a classic case of whoever has the better blank wins
so ive been playing for about 3-4 months now and i have not once heard boom and zoom NOR did i hear about 'altitude-is-best' thing... THANK YOU SO MUCH... I can now reach podium finishes W/O using a bomber :D
I am what they call a VETERAN NOOB hahaha yay me!
I love your content so much, I have a question, which Aircraft is better, the Mig17AS or Shenyang F5?
theyre pretty much identical, but tbh i prefer the chinese cuz you get better matchmaking
If i don't have altidute i always wair for the enemy to come to me and keep my speed up so i can maneuver away from their attacks, never go to the enemy if they are higher because you will fail and die
My question would be How would you handle target leading with 290 ms ping....
what control do u use
Listen to grindcore
Based
Isn't it better to first fly straight ,after you get of the run way, to start gaining speed and then climb up?
it's good and all until somehow by pure unluckiness you got over-g or stalled or even worst the plane it's self decided to mess with you
boom and zoom only works if you hvae aim ._. i always end up in a dogfight with a few shots on him and still lose ._. (im ass)
Best way to cheese it is to get a very durable plane bristling with turrets
if you're bad, just use bombers as a cop-out
bombers are unplayable
nice tutorial my winrate went from 0% to 0% thankz
Ur welcome
@@_Joob jokes aside this helped me thanks
I love how I shoot 1000 rounds into an airplane and maybe get 2 hits, but this guy has clips of him just casually one tapping pilots out of their planes
Thanks man I rlly needed these tips!
Any OTHER tips for grinding?
the questions will never end until the grind ends!!!
Great explaining! You earned a Sub.
Thx, though this video was kind of rushed, and a bit vague. I will make a better one in the coming months.
Ahh, of course after the stream it’s gonna be about how to get better at war thunder since so much people ask him about it during streams.
Your games are unbelievable not because of your methods but because of you getting kills with a p39
hmmmm yes…. but what if im in my Ta 152H in jet match with SU 11 on my six? 😂
i mean i still manage to reverse (or stall out) literally anything in my old rusty trusty Ta 152 but what if i’m in 8v8 match, 3 fighters in my team, 1 of them goes ground pounding and the second one stays low and dies on first head-on with a frickn… idk lol… let’s say bearcat… what do you do in that literally 1v7 scenario where most of your enemies are faster, climb better than you, turn better than you and they can sit on your ass forever since you just can’t reverse them (bcs of awesome energy retention of ta152)? what do you do? it ends up usually with 2-4 kills on my side but i still die and we lose because we have a shitload of ju 288s?
but in general everything you said is true, confirmed :D
Haha, 8v8 against Germany at ~6.0 is almost always a slaughter
i just tried this and wong thanks man
:D