I don’t think TDB was bad, but time hasn’t been the kindest to it. We’ve had $10 seasons that have had more content than TDB (Opulence is the first that comes to mind).
I really miss the little teasers we used to get in the live game about the coming content. Shortly before The Dark Below came out, we saw those groups of Hive spawning in the live game that had the chance to drop Husk of the Pit, which you would eventually need for the raid exotic. We saw something similar before House of Wolves, but then they stopped. The only other one of these I can remember is the spawns before Black Armory that could drop the refurbished Black Armory versions that had glitched perk drops like double rampage.
I've just realized what I've missed so much about destiny, it's the not knowing how to get stuff, like seeing a new path in a strike and finding out about black spindle or turning in a bounty and getting 3 to choose from and you don't know what you'll get and you don't know what's left to find and that kept the game fresh for me for years
@@evanf1997 definitely think tracking an expansion-by-expansion history of destiny; gauging community sentiment, playerbase attitudes, etc. and maybe have a sister-series for seasons, or combine seasons into the video for the same years expansion. Your content is just too good, having the history of destiny expansions, releases, and seasons chronicled so well is just perfect.
I remember we did flawless raider 2-man on Crota. Me and my friends John were not sure that our other friends will not die for entire raid, so we did 2-man flawless. I will forever remember that bridge skip with striker titan from the top of the tower)
I was still blown away by the concept of Destiny, so The Dark Below took that further for me. I’ll always have good memories about Crota’s End. I did it before I did VOG so it’s a bit special to me.
@@Knights0fBlood they both inflict the same emotion. So you can be horrified and scared and still have the same feeling. Yes they mean different things but in reality if you're scared or horrified you're gonna have the same reaction more or less depending on the scenario
Love the videos man! For any future ones referencing guns and that, the dark below gun the husk of the pit turns into is eidolon ally with eidolon being Ancient Greek for spirit/ghost/ image of a dead person, ally being normal language for a friend so it’s supposed to be a ghost on your side 👍 not a Harry Potter reference
Ngl, when you show that clip of farming Draksis for exotics by killing yourself I felt an uber wave of nostalgia remember when that first came out. I also remember farming Omnigul in that little room for a fuckload of Grasp of Malocks. Those were indeed the days of magic.
I honestly loved Dark Below. The Raid was great, the exotics were great, the crucible maps were excellent, and this was just the start of more to come. House of Wolves is imo one of the best expansions we ever got in Destinys history.
I wouldn't say the best, but HOW was a good further intor to the Awoken outside the intro cutscenes in D1, I like HOW and DB for further laying a ecent foundation with D1 for future story developments for Taken King onward, I do wish we could still fight randomly spawnin House of Wolves troops and pick up the bounties for their commanders. WOuld have been really fun for whenever I replay House of WOlves, maybe have it be that they're all available with Petra and update them to scale to near your level, you can run through them all and they'd reset each week.
“Bliss of the unknown” perfectly encapsulates the biggest problem with the seasonal model. While I understand Destiny is a much more established game now, it no longer has the excitement of the unknown. The game is too predictable, and not in a good way either. First season of Witch Queen was a battleground centered around Hive Guardian subordinates. First season of Lightfall was a battleground centered around Shadow Legion Cabal subordinates. Second season of Witch Queen was a destination activity on a slightly altered sunset location with repackaged seasonal weapons from Forsaken. Second season of Lightfall is going to take place on a slightly altered sunset location with repackaged seasonal weapons from Forsaken. This is a trend likely to continue with the last two seasons of Lightfall. The only two surprises in the last 4 expansions were the Corridors of Time and the Witch Queen campaign. The free yearly raid was a nice addition but we were told about them in advance. Plus I don’t believe free content is something we need to clap for or be thankful about when the game is free to play. Especially when you consider the fact that by the end of 2019 we had 3 free to play raids, while by the end of 2023 we will still only have 3 free to play raids.
Will always hold a special place in my heart just due to the fact that i started playing during this period in the game. It also didnt really let me down because it wasnt a new release for me, it was just... another chunk of content i had, because i got it alongside the base game. For me its linked so inherently to my initial days getting into the franchise.
I remember going in underleveled and being forced to use my sniper to get kills. I miss level advantage in iron banner, it really felt like cheating the system going in there barely able to do damage and still getting kills and farming high level gear😂
2:10 little did we know that Bungie have always been the worst culprits when it comes to price, and they would only get greedier and greedier, which we still haven’t seen the peak of.
I started playind Destiny shortly before The Dark Below, I loved every minute of it. It was so mysterous and interesting, I started to hate the Hive in that expansion but I alos loved knowing and learning more about them, that's when I got into the lore of the game as well. And I've done Crota's End so many times it's like an old friend, it was just really fun after the first few times once you learned what to do. I love Destiny still, but there is something about old Destiny 1 that is just magical: the music, the atmosphere, I don't know how to explain it. Also I never got to upgrade Husk of the Pit sadly but in D2 I finally got Thorn, the weapon I wanted the most since D1 so that's a plus.
People seem to forget in the halo 3 and modern warfare 1 days we used to pay $10 for a map pack with 3-4 pvp maps. And that was it. A map pack plus campaign plus a raid with 2 difficulty modes plus 13 exotics plus strikes plus a higher light cap for an extra $10? It was absolutely worth it.
I remember back when my friends and I would hop on TDB raid after school and 3/4 man it. Years later it made me realise that it wasn't the game, but the people you played with that made the experience great.
It's Eidolon Ally as in an Eidolon who is your ally, not an alleyway =P I only played D1 after D2 launched. It's something my clan boots up sometimes if we're bored of D2 but want to play still. But given what I've heard, and what you describe here, it sounds like I would have liked it. I never held with the notion that because map assets exist in a game behind a locked door, means that later use of those assets is a cash grab. Development is a long and complex process and sometimes things start and stop at odd times. I do wish there was a way to keep unused assets like this out of the game until they're in use though, because it ends up spoiling things when people inevitably OOB their way inside. Great vid! I love the journalism and historian role you've taken on and I think it adds a great deal of value to the community that isn't offered by other channels or creators!
I though the OOBs were so fun at the time, you could also get certain dead ghosts already by OOBing. It felt like a whole different part of the game to explore, never understood people complaining about it.
@@SpicyCheeseSpread I don't mind it too much as long as it's optional and folks are considerate of others when it comes to spoilers. I generally seek them all out unless they're related to raids or new dungeons. Where it gets over the top is when things like raid zones and new dungeons or major story beats are discovered through it.
I actually loved Crota's End. Doing Hard Mode at 31 and not being carried. Abolutely amazing looking armour, especially for my Hunter. Doing solo flawless during HoW times for the achievement. Nearly failing a kill once because swordbearer died and I rushed in to grab it to kill Crota. Doing the Age of Triumphs version when it came out and having so much practice as swordbearer that I made the challenge a cake walk. So many good memories from it.
The Dark Below’s thing isn’t that it’s a big story expansion, but that it is designed to help set up the coming storms. TBD, House of Wolves, Curse of Osiris, Warmind, Shadowkeep, and Lightfall are all just little expansions that set up and occasionally foreshadow the even bigger expansions coming ahead. House of Wolves and TBD set up The Taken King. Curse, Warmind, and Shadowkeep all helped to set up Beyond Light and the coming of the Witness. Lightfall is probably setting up Final Shape.
Bosses like the Fist of Crota always have me imagine scenarios in my head of what the fight with him would actually be like. Just like how I imagine Last Wish and Riven would be like an anime fight against a dragon like the ending animatic for the raid.
If we're crucifying Lightfall for being "that bad" then The Dark Below absolutely was that bad. A cool exotic quest and pvp maps are not saving it. If we're treating it like a big season, i could get behind praising it a bit. people are nostalgic for the memories and destiny being "fresh", nothing more.
it brought way more stuff than lightfall tbh, if you just look at the amount of exotics that were added. also some crucible maps added in tdb are still in the game to this day.
I’ve been playing since the beginning and it always makes me laugh hearing people sing the praises of D1’s DLC, or discount how disappointing they were at the time, as if there wasn’t a chorus of people complaining about the lack of things to do through all of D1. Rose tinted glasses, as they say.
although I never had the opportunity to play D1, what I can take from this video is that despite the fact that TDB did not have much content, what was really worth it was the experience (and some of the most relevant exotics in the Destiny story). It's also worth mentioning that considering the price, budget, and creative freedom Bungie had with Lightfall, it seems to me that the criticism is justified since they're charging you $60 for a subclass, a nice landscape, and a ticket to Trials and not much more
@@blasvallejos1656 criticism is always justified especially with bungie's recent business models. but recently its just been a lot of fawning over "the good old days" while excusing the numerous issues of those days with the same talking points you giving me now, "the experience, the vibes, ect." when it really just be nostalgia. and thats cool but say that then. you didn't play d1 so im not really talking to you, but then again a lot of people didn't play d1 and claim to miss them old days. the community of this game is never pleased lol
@@k3nnyisgood238 well yes its true that a lot of the praise for D1 is driven by nostalgia but still, bungie should have learned from their mistakes in TDB and do a proper "filler" expansion, lightfall its agrat example of the same mistake being repeated but in this case its not the exotics carrying the expansion but strand. I feel like the "this community is never pleased" stopped working when bungie started to give us just a fraction of what they used to and we still praise them because "they are going in the right direction with this or that" in fact i said that a large portion of the comunity its too indulgent with bungie or just complain and then dont do anything about it
I really wish they made legendry's hard to get agian rather than handing them out like they're blues. And honestly in D1 I think blues were even more rare than legendry's in d2
I still think that dark below is disappointing because its short narrative does a huge disservice to the bigger picture that would later unfold in destiny future. We were fighting the hive god the destroyed out moon and we basically snuff out part of him in a small room and finally kill him in a short raid that feels like a dungeon. Definitely doesn't do justice to the lore. Also Dark Below had some pretty annoying changes to the economy. I still hate when we had to grind commendations to buy legendaries and our exotics had to be upgraded with a new currency at a high price. Even if we got full vendor refreshes and a whole bunch of exotics, it wasn't enough to justify the price.
House of wolves is next? For me this dlc has the most hard pve end game activity of all destiny 1 and 2. Forget about GMs on year one with Jhon Cena. Prison of elders is the most challenging activity of all times
I honestly don't have a good perspective when it comes to individual D1 expansions. I started Destiny with The Taken King, so I played through all of the expansions one after the other. Vanilla, The Dark Below, House of Wolves, and TTK in order. The story was a bit nebulous until MyNameisByf and the Grimoire Cards filled in the gaps, but I didn't even realize that TDB and HOW were expansions until much later. It just felt like different chapters of the main story.
I solo-ed every campaign from D1 about 8 months ago. It was fun. Dark below was pretty good, although I didn’t do any of the raids or anything like that.
I enjoyed TDB as well as HOW DLC's. D1 in my opinion, was the exact game we all needed. It's what go us all emerged in this universe. I would much rather have D1 back than play D2, my own personal opinion of course. I get that D2 has progressed the game and intricacies of the game.....I just prefer D1. I feel like the friends I made because of the game played D1 more consistently than anyone does D2 these days
Just like in D1 how we got new areas and planets with new mystery, we need to get that back in D2. Also the devs shouldn’t feel the need to show us where to get every item, stop holding our hands and hide more things that get discovered by grind and community.
I'm glad I didn't get into destiny until Taken King, in particular the Taken King's April update. I got a year and a half of amazing destiny content after that point
Dark Below first entry into Destiny long ago. Though, at the time, I felt like it was solid. Jumping into Destiny with its vanilla content, plus Dark Below, kept me busy. My only negative comment on this expansion was the story and how short it was; I wish it was expanded a bit more.
Great video, just one irk. Eidolon Ally: Eye-doh-lon Ah-lie. Eidolon is Greek for spirit or phantom, or idealized person. And we know Ally means friend or companion. It's Phantom (ghost/imaginary) Friend. Not a Harry Potter reference at all, unfortunately. I'm not sure how that conclusion was made 😅
It may not be very relevant to the expansion itself, but there’s two things about Crota I’ve wondered; How did part of Crota’s soul get trapped in that crystal? It couldn’t have been Eris’ team because they got butchered. And I think Omnigul might have been the mother to Crota’s children. Omnigul was totally devoted to Crota, and in the Scarlet Keep strike, Eris sometimes mentions how Hashladun mourned the loss of Oryx, Crota and Omnigul, but none of Crota’s other servants.
Omnigul was Crota’s mate, his wife. As for Crota’s soul, he was defeated a long time before Destiny even begins. At some point there was a massive Vanguard assault on the moon that was meant to retake it for humanity, but it ended with the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of Guardians.
@@keulron2290 Yes, but doesn’t explain how Crota was partially in the crystal. That Vanguard operation was a total loss and they gave up on taking back Luna because of it.
@@silverthehero1295 I think either a Guardian did eventually kill him or another of the Hive did. Actually, I think Eris says what happens at some point, though I could be wrong.
I actually came into the game late into tDB's release, so I have zero experience on why there were a lot of people who thought vanilla & tDB were bad. I just had a really fun time getting into it and exploring everything.
I started Destiny like a week before Dark Below came out, so I have a lot of nostalgia for this expansion. Having said that, it was eh, especially since I didn’t raid when I first got the game.
I don't know about everyone else, but I had very good RNG for the Crux haha people said it was worse than Mythoclasts drop rate at a point. How you mentioned strikes back in D1 brought it all back. Never really have it the same these days. And I'm still awaiting the day they bring Longbow and LDR back. RIP
For the time? I loved it since it focused on a more mysterious and dark element(at the time,now we have too much hive time😑) and the raid(strike) was pretty amazing at the time as well,it felt pretty horror focused as well and the scenery/mechanics were pretty badass
And I remember deleting my Murmur because I thought it was just another random trash gun, then not being able to get it back when my brother was showing off how cool it’s was on his account
NOW HERE'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. My answer is different bcuz of my start date. I began D1 when wrath of machines released. For me, there was everything to do n if I had to pay 20 to continue into TDB knowing there was more... Yeah it's worth it bcuz it means progressing further into a great franchise ending with Taken King
I really really enjoyed The Dark Below. The loot chasing, the raid grinding, the exotics and let us not forget the loading music to D1! I didn't hear about all the hate until later and I wondered why people were so negative about the DLC.
Obsidian was great! I used shatter Nova so shooting out 3 bombs and then killing enough thrall in Crota's End was so satisfying because I would immediately get another Nova bomb and blow them up again
Just recall what you never obtained in the micro expansions you thought were bad… Dark Below had incredible hive themed armor from Eris. HoW had amazing faction gear that was top notch Curse of Osiris had the *BEST* armor ornaments in the *entire - game* Warmind had the most “Destiny” style raid D2 ever had. There was much that everyone ignores in these amazing expansions
Destiny was still in its what i like to call it mysterious stage. When no one new nothing. Players found there was a white gun dropping and farmed it just cause. Fun times 😂
I don't hate Dark Below, sure it's the weakest story, but nw that you no longer need to buy it seperate from D1 makes it better. Plus it gave us an intro story for Eris, and laid the groudn work for leading into Taken King and other story beats in D2.
"You could upgrade it to the Eiedon Alley, a reference to Harry Potter's Diagon Alley" - lolwut? No. No. No. _Eidolon_ (read it carefully), meaning "spectre" or "phantom", is also used in reference to the nightmares on the moon: every Season of the Haunted armor piece has "Eidolon Pursuant" in its name. It can also mean the quintessential or idealized version of something (as is implied in the Eidolon Bird sparrow's flavour text, "on holy wings you fly"). In either case, an "Eidolon Ally" is certainly the type of ally we'd want to take with us to fight the horrors on the Moon. (Speaking of which, "ally", as in someone fighting on your side of a battle, is pronounced entirely differently from "alley", as in narrow road between buildings.) I'm not here to pick on your dyslexia, but dude, pay attention to the lore and stop making things up.
I honestly thought TDB was fun, great fun in fact, and the Crota's End was a cool challenging raid at the time it released. Would it work in today's Destiny landscape? Maybe. With some major revisions and cheese prevention. I fear between skating and strand, much of it might be just entirely too cheesy if implemented as was lol
It's a little weird to hear Evan glaze up stuff like the longbow synthesis (pretty much every legendary weapon model in TDB is a reskin) during a time where players are lighting up neomuna weapons for reskinning moon weapons
I think "comfort food" is the best term to use for The Dark Below. It may not be the best, but you still enjoy it. I know I did. The Dark Below holds a special place in my mind.
Lemme just say this: Bungie has always been consistently excellent at one thing - trailers. They're so infuriatingly good at making trailers. Final Shape teaser? Damn near sold me instantly on the expansion. Even though I've endured years of Bungie's sub-par story releases thus far, and expect nothing more for Final Shape...the trailer nearly instantly sold me on it.
i think the dark below was a pretty decent dlc at the time, it brought so many new things, and added on a new raid too. i was also like 9 back then too so it seemed a lot more mysterious and whatnot, followed by barely any coverage too on how to do things. idk i liked it but i was also 9
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I don’t think TDB was bad, but time hasn’t been the kindest to it. We’ve had $10 seasons that have had more content than TDB (Opulence is the first that comes to mind).
Not in terms of strikes and crucible maps
Content is still content opulence did provide a decent amount
I think it's the opposite, time might be the biggest benefit of this one, seeing as it focused on core first, story later
Pretty much all seasons have the same amount if not more than TDB
Not really
The one thing that has stayed constant across my destiny career is the phrase "crotating" for weird boss movement
In the fuckin 8-9 years playing destiny as a whole, this is the first time I've ever heard the phrase "Crotating".
I feel robbed.
@@ASimpleGodzillaFan same
I really miss the little teasers we used to get in the live game about the coming content. Shortly before The Dark Below came out, we saw those groups of Hive spawning in the live game that had the chance to drop Husk of the Pit, which you would eventually need for the raid exotic. We saw something similar before House of Wolves, but then they stopped. The only other one of these I can remember is the spawns before Black Armory that could drop the refurbished Black Armory versions that had glitched perk drops like double rampage.
There was one for rise of iron i think
@@hardluckmk.52 The nanite viruses and Owl Sector :)
I've just realized what I've missed so much about destiny, it's the not knowing how to get stuff, like seeing a new path in a strike and finding out about black spindle or turning in a bounty and getting 3 to choose from and you don't know what you'll get and you don't know what's left to find and that kept the game fresh for me for years
exactly, now you know where to get everything and almost nothing is hidden anymore.
You should do this for each expansion and combine the seasonal stuff together and comment on community sentiment at the time and what not
kinda what he has done already
will be doing house of wolves next, stay tuned
@@evanf1997 definitely think tracking an expansion-by-expansion history of destiny; gauging community sentiment, playerbase attitudes, etc. and maybe have a sister-series for seasons, or combine seasons into the video for the same years expansion. Your content is just too good, having the history of destiny expansions, releases, and seasons chronicled so well is just perfect.
I remember we did flawless raider 2-man on Crota. Me and my friends John were not sure that our other friends will not die for entire raid, so we did 2-man flawless. I will forever remember that bridge skip with striker titan from the top of the tower)
I was still blown away by the concept of Destiny, so The Dark Below took that further for me.
I’ll always have good memories about Crota’s End.
I did it before I did VOG so it’s a bit special to me.
Eye-doe-lon is how Eidolon is pronounced, and it's ally, not alley, as in a friend.
Came here to say this
And Eidolon is (ancient) Greek and means something like "Image".
This was driving me crazy as well. Lol
Lol, I love seeing all of the examples of how illerate Destiny youtubers are.
This darkness and horror aspect is whats needed for Destiny 2.
bring back the horror.
It was never really scary
@@itskxrda7080 never said scary, said horror.
different things here.
if you dont know the difference go look it up.
@@Knights0fBlood they both inflict the same emotion. So you can be horrified and scared and still have the same feeling. Yes they mean different things but in reality if you're scared or horrified you're gonna have the same reaction more or less depending on the scenario
All memes aside, I genuinely think Bungie should reprise Crota’s End as a dungeon.
they're gonna reprise it as a raid bc that's what it really is. just happened to be easy
@@mercury9060 bungie have already said they aren't bringing back crotas end
@@masondowling5967 They said they won't bring it back as a raid
@@masondowling5967 classic bungie L
@@masondowling5967 bungie also said they would never bring gjalla back 🤷
House of Wolves was the 1st worth it DLC but the Taken King almost felt like a new game with the amount of content it gave
TDB is when I came into the game and Crota's end gave me my flawless raider by doing it solo. I have very good memories of this DLC
Same my fire team couldn't be trusted
Your videos are really high effort. You're one of my favorite D2 content creators
Love the videos man! For any future ones referencing guns and that, the dark below gun the husk of the pit turns into is eidolon ally with eidolon being Ancient Greek for spirit/ghost/ image of a dead person, ally being normal language for a friend so it’s supposed to be a ghost on your side 👍 not a Harry Potter reference
Came here to say something along these lines!
that's awesome
Ngl, when you show that clip of farming Draksis for exotics by killing yourself I felt an uber wave of nostalgia remember when that first came out. I also remember farming Omnigul in that little room for a fuckload of Grasp of Malocks. Those were indeed the days of magic.
I honestly loved Dark Below. The Raid was great, the exotics were great, the crucible maps were excellent, and this was just the start of more to come. House of Wolves is imo one of the best expansions we ever got in Destinys history.
I wouldn't say the best, but HOW was a good further intor to the Awoken outside the intro cutscenes in D1, I like HOW and DB for further laying a ecent foundation with D1 for future story developments for Taken King onward, I do wish we could still fight randomly spawnin House of Wolves troops and pick up the bounties for their commanders. WOuld have been really fun for whenever I replay House of WOlves, maybe have it be that they're all available with Petra and update them to scale to near your level, you can run through them all and they'd reset each week.
That is probably the worst HoW take I've ever heard but I respect your opinion.
@@ASimpleGodzillaFan k
Lol bro we pay $100 for unfinished DLC with zero pvp maps. It's sad that Bungie is what it is.
Remember Crota is in the raid because to fully kill a powerful hive you have to kill them in their throne world.
Not sure if that was commonly known at the time.
Man, i miss these times. Getting home from school and grinding destiny vanilla all day long. Legendary
TDB was a great season with lots of exotics and a decent dungeon
I love dark below bro wtf
Same, necrochasm is my favorite d1 exotic
Same bro, doing crota with my homies back in the day was so fun.
Same crota is and always be my favorite thing about destiny
Same
Same grinding them Tuesday morning resets before school😂
We got way more crucible maps in a DLC than we do with a big release nowadays
Necrochasm was not 'great' as you say when it came out. It was one of the worst exotics in the game for quite a while until Bungie buffed it later on.
“Bliss of the unknown” perfectly encapsulates the biggest problem with the seasonal model. While I understand Destiny is a much more established game now, it no longer has the excitement of the unknown. The game is too predictable, and not in a good way either. First season of Witch Queen was a battleground centered around Hive Guardian subordinates. First season of Lightfall was a battleground centered around Shadow Legion Cabal subordinates. Second season of Witch Queen was a destination activity on a slightly altered sunset location with repackaged seasonal weapons from Forsaken. Second season of Lightfall is going to take place on a slightly altered sunset location with repackaged seasonal weapons from Forsaken. This is a trend likely to continue with the last two seasons of Lightfall. The only two surprises in the last 4 expansions were the Corridors of Time and the Witch Queen campaign. The free yearly raid was a nice addition but we were told about them in advance. Plus I don’t believe free content is something we need to clap for or be thankful about when the game is free to play. Especially when you consider the fact that by the end of 2019 we had 3 free to play raids, while by the end of 2023 we will still only have 3 free to play raids.
Will always hold a special place in my heart just due to the fact that i started playing during this period in the game. It also didnt really let me down because it wasnt a new release for me, it was just... another chunk of content i had, because i got it alongside the base game. For me its linked so inherently to my initial days getting into the franchise.
Got level 32, before I even bought the DLC, through iron banner haha. Good times.
I remember going in underleveled and being forced to use my sniper to get kills. I miss level advantage in iron banner, it really felt like cheating the system going in there barely able to do damage and still getting kills and farming high level gear😂
Dark below is when i started playing so i have fond memories of it but my glasses may be rose tinted
2:10 little did we know that Bungie have always been the worst culprits when it comes to price, and they would only get greedier and greedier, which we still haven’t seen the peak of.
Yoooooo Bdobbins! Loved his videos on Destiny. I go back and watch them time to time.
The Hard Boiled Heavies theme for the Manscaped ad is solid gold
Its insane to me to remember how long we've teased rasputin to just have him be a story crux for a season haha
15:45 I smiled and grinned so hard when I saw the clip in the background, I did that for hours
Mysteries need to come back to destiny
I started playind Destiny shortly before The Dark Below, I loved every minute of it. It was so mysterous and interesting, I started to hate the Hive in that expansion but I alos loved knowing and learning more about them, that's when I got into the lore of the game as well. And I've done Crota's End so many times it's like an old friend, it was just really fun after the first few times once you learned what to do. I love Destiny still, but there is something about old Destiny 1 that is just magical: the music, the atmosphere, I don't know how to explain it. Also I never got to upgrade Husk of the Pit sadly but in D2 I finally got Thorn, the weapon I wanted the most since D1 so that's a plus.
People seem to forget in the halo 3 and modern warfare 1 days we used to pay $10 for a map pack with 3-4 pvp maps. And that was it. A map pack plus campaign plus a raid with 2 difficulty modes plus 13 exotics plus strikes plus a higher light cap for an extra $10? It was absolutely worth it.
I remember back when my friends and I would hop on TDB raid after school and 3/4 man it. Years later it made me realise that it wasn't the game, but the people you played with that made the experience great.
No Land Beyond is my favorite exotic of all time and i will never forgive Devrim for not giving me his in D2
It's Eidolon Ally as in an Eidolon who is your ally, not an alleyway =P
I only played D1 after D2 launched. It's something my clan boots up sometimes if we're bored of D2 but want to play still.
But given what I've heard, and what you describe here, it sounds like I would have liked it. I never held with the notion that because map assets exist in a game behind a locked door, means that later use of those assets is a cash grab. Development is a long and complex process and sometimes things start and stop at odd times. I do wish there was a way to keep unused assets like this out of the game until they're in use though, because it ends up spoiling things when people inevitably OOB their way inside.
Great vid! I love the journalism and historian role you've taken on and I think it adds a great deal of value to the community that isn't offered by other channels or creators!
I though the OOBs were so fun at the time, you could also get certain dead ghosts already by OOBing. It felt like a whole different part of the game to explore, never understood people complaining about it.
@@SpicyCheeseSpread I don't mind it too much as long as it's optional and folks are considerate of others when it comes to spoilers. I generally seek them all out unless they're related to raids or new dungeons.
Where it gets over the top is when things like raid zones and new dungeons or major story beats are discovered through it.
I actually loved Crota's End. Doing Hard Mode at 31 and not being carried. Abolutely amazing looking armour, especially for my Hunter. Doing solo flawless during HoW times for the achievement. Nearly failing a kill once because swordbearer died and I rushed in to grab it to kill Crota. Doing the Age of Triumphs version when it came out and having so much practice as swordbearer that I made the challenge a cake walk. So many good memories from it.
The Dark Below’s thing isn’t that it’s a big story expansion, but that it is designed to help set up the coming storms.
TBD, House of Wolves, Curse of Osiris, Warmind, Shadowkeep, and Lightfall are all just little expansions that set up and occasionally foreshadow the even bigger expansions coming ahead.
House of Wolves and TBD set up The Taken King. Curse, Warmind, and Shadowkeep all helped to set up Beyond Light and the coming of the Witness. Lightfall is probably setting up Final Shape.
Bosses like the Fist of Crota always have me imagine scenarios in my head of what the fight with him would actually be like. Just like how I imagine Last Wish and Riven would be like an anime fight against a dragon like the ending animatic for the raid.
If we're crucifying Lightfall for being "that bad" then The Dark Below absolutely was that bad. A cool exotic quest and pvp maps are not saving it. If we're treating it like a big season, i could get behind praising it a bit.
people are nostalgic for the memories and destiny being "fresh", nothing more.
it brought way more stuff than lightfall tbh, if you just look at the amount of exotics that were added. also some crucible maps added in tdb are still in the game to this day.
I’ve been playing since the beginning and it always makes me laugh hearing people sing the praises of D1’s DLC, or discount how disappointing they were at the time, as if there wasn’t a chorus of people complaining about the lack of things to do through all of D1. Rose tinted glasses, as they say.
although I never had the opportunity to play D1, what I can take from this video is that despite the fact that TDB did not have much content, what was really worth it was the experience (and some of the most relevant exotics in the Destiny story). It's also worth mentioning that considering the price, budget, and creative freedom Bungie had with Lightfall, it seems to me that the criticism is justified since they're charging you $60 for a subclass, a nice landscape, and a ticket to Trials and not much more
@@blasvallejos1656 criticism is always justified especially with bungie's recent business models. but recently its just been a lot of fawning over "the good old days" while excusing the numerous issues of those days with the same talking points you giving me now, "the experience, the vibes, ect." when it really just be nostalgia. and thats cool but say that then. you didn't play d1 so im not really talking to you, but then again a lot of people didn't play d1 and claim to miss them old days. the community of this game is never pleased lol
@@k3nnyisgood238 well yes its true that a lot of the praise for D1 is driven by nostalgia but still, bungie should have learned from their mistakes in TDB and do a proper "filler" expansion, lightfall its agrat example of the same mistake being repeated but in this case its not the exotics carrying the expansion but strand.
I feel like the "this community is never pleased" stopped working when bungie started to give us just a fraction of what they used to and we still praise them because "they are going in the right direction with this or that" in fact i said that a large portion of the comunity its too indulgent with bungie or just complain and then dont do anything about it
I really wish they made legendry's hard to get agian rather than handing them out like they're blues. And honestly in D1 I think blues were even more rare than legendry's in d2
It boggles my mind how well executed loot was in d1 compared to d2
I don't see any people talking about this, during season of the haunted, Eris had the Urn of Sacrifice in the Crown of Sorrow room
I would say the only bad thing about TDB was sunsetting gear and vendors selling better gear than what was available in the VOG.
I still think that dark below is disappointing because its short narrative does a huge disservice to the bigger picture that would later unfold in destiny future. We were fighting the hive god the destroyed out moon and we basically snuff out part of him in a small room and finally kill him in a short raid that feels like a dungeon. Definitely doesn't do justice to the lore.
Also Dark Below had some pretty annoying changes to the economy. I still hate when we had to grind commendations to buy legendaries and our exotics had to be upgraded with a new currency at a high price.
Even if we got full vendor refreshes and a whole bunch of exotics, it wasn't enough to justify the price.
House of wolves is next? For me this dlc has the most hard pve end game activity of all destiny 1 and 2. Forget about GMs on year one with Jhon Cena. Prison of elders is the most challenging activity of all times
I honestly don't have a good perspective when it comes to individual D1 expansions. I started Destiny with The Taken King, so I played through all of the expansions one after the other. Vanilla, The Dark Below, House of Wolves, and TTK in order. The story was a bit nebulous until MyNameisByf and the Grimoire Cards filled in the gaps, but I didn't even realize that TDB and HOW were expansions until much later. It just felt like different chapters of the main story.
Bro the last time I was this early Cayde was still alive
I'm happy to see this series starting off, always looking forward to new uploads.
I solo-ed every campaign from D1 about 8 months ago. It was fun. Dark below was pretty good, although I didn’t do any of the raids or anything like that.
Love seeing these videos about Destiny 1, brings back the memories from that time, can still recall the names of all the guys I played with haha
I enjoyed TDB as well as HOW DLC's. D1 in my opinion, was the exact game we all needed. It's what go us all emerged in this universe. I would much rather have D1 back than play D2, my own personal opinion of course. I get that D2 has progressed the game and intricacies of the game.....I just prefer D1. I feel like the friends I made because of the game played D1 more consistently than anyone does D2 these days
Just like in D1 how we got new areas and planets with new mystery, we need to get that back in D2. Also the devs shouldn’t feel the need to show us where to get every item, stop holding our hands and hide more things that get discovered by grind and community.
I live the memories more then the actual DLC
The unplug your network cable DLC
I'm glad I didn't get into destiny until Taken King, in particular the Taken King's April update. I got a year and a half of amazing destiny content after that point
Dark below was when I started destiny, that holdfast armor is the best drip ever
Dark Below first entry into Destiny long ago. Though, at the time, I felt like it was solid. Jumping into Destiny with its vanilla content, plus Dark Below, kept me busy. My only negative comment on this expansion was the story and how short it was; I wish it was expanded a bit more.
Great video, just one irk. Eidolon Ally: Eye-doh-lon Ah-lie. Eidolon is Greek for spirit or phantom, or idealized person. And we know Ally means friend or companion. It's Phantom (ghost/imaginary) Friend. Not a Harry Potter reference at all, unfortunately. I'm not sure how that conclusion was made 😅
If you buy the full destiny 1 expansion collection today (about $60-$70AU) it is amazing value for money.
It may not be very relevant to the expansion itself, but there’s two things about Crota I’ve wondered;
How did part of Crota’s soul get trapped in that crystal? It couldn’t have been Eris’ team because they got butchered.
And I think Omnigul might have been the mother to Crota’s children. Omnigul was totally devoted to Crota, and in the Scarlet Keep strike, Eris sometimes mentions how Hashladun mourned the loss of Oryx, Crota and Omnigul, but none of Crota’s other servants.
Omnigul was Crota’s mate, his wife.
As for Crota’s soul, he was defeated a long time before Destiny even begins. At some point there was a massive Vanguard assault on the moon that was meant to retake it for humanity, but it ended with the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of Guardians.
@@keulron2290 Yes, but doesn’t explain how Crota was partially in the crystal. That Vanguard operation was a total loss and they gave up on taking back Luna because of it.
@@silverthehero1295 I think either a Guardian did eventually kill him or another of the Hive did. Actually, I think Eris says what happens at some point, though I could be wrong.
I actually came into the game late into tDB's release, so I have zero experience on why there were a lot of people who thought vanilla & tDB were bad. I just had a really fun time getting into it and exploring everything.
I started Destiny like a week before Dark Below came out, so I have a lot of nostalgia for this expansion. Having said that, it was eh, especially since I didn’t raid when I first got the game.
I don't know about everyone else, but I had very good RNG for the Crux haha people said it was worse than Mythoclasts drop rate at a point. How you mentioned strikes back in D1 brought it all back. Never really have it the same these days. And I'm still awaiting the day they bring Longbow and LDR back. RIP
CONGRATS ON 300K BROTHA!! BIG UPS
Would LOVE to see Necrochasm is D2!
Great video! 😊
For the time? I loved it since it focused on a more mysterious and dark element(at the time,now we have too much hive time😑) and the raid(strike) was pretty amazing at the time as well,it felt pretty horror focused as well and the scenery/mechanics were pretty badass
I remember doing the urn quest but I was a stupid kid and could never get past the melee cursed thrall step.
And I remember deleting my Murmur because I thought it was just another random trash gun, then not being able to get it back when my brother was showing off how cool it’s was on his account
NOW HERE'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. My answer is different bcuz of my start date. I began D1 when wrath of machines released. For me, there was everything to do n if I had to pay 20 to continue into TDB knowing there was more... Yeah it's worth it bcuz it means progressing further into a great franchise ending with Taken King
I really really enjoyed The Dark Below. The loot chasing, the raid grinding, the exotics and let us not forget the loading music to D1! I didn't hear about all the hate until later and I wondered why people were so negative about the DLC.
That intro earned you 2 gifted subs from me next season.
Obsidian was great! I used shatter Nova so shooting out 3 bombs and then killing enough thrall in Crota's End was so satisfying because I would immediately get another Nova bomb and blow them up again
Just recall what you never obtained in the micro expansions you thought were bad…
Dark Below had incredible hive themed armor from Eris.
HoW had amazing faction gear that was top notch
Curse of Osiris had the *BEST* armor ornaments in the *entire - game*
Warmind had the most “Destiny” style raid D2 ever had.
There was much that everyone ignores in these amazing expansions
Crota is one of my favorite raids and the DLCs
3 crucible maps & 13 exotics is worth the price of admission alone
To me it felt like it was "ok" but it felt like i bought it just for the raid.
That's better than paying $20 for two dungeons you feel me?
@@beandealer3348 Crota's end was a dungeon
Bungie should have added Crota's End when they brought King's Fall to D2.
I genuinely don't mind the idea of a DLC using and expanding existing gamespace to create new experiences.
Necrochasm should return with Final Shape.
Destiny was still in its what i like to call it mysterious stage. When no one new nothing. Players found there was a white gun dropping and farmed it just cause. Fun times 😂
At first I thought this was gonna be about Lightfall, but this is a really great video!.
also, I liked the ad-read. it was good.
Congrats on the 300K subs!
It’s so weird to see weakened enemies without the little yellow finisher bubble above their heads!
I don't hate Dark Below, sure it's the weakest story, but nw that you no longer need to buy it seperate from D1 makes it better. Plus it gave us an intro story for Eris, and laid the groudn work for leading into Taken King and other story beats in D2.
I remember when everyone heard it was only 3 story missions we all lost all hope lmao
"You could upgrade it to the Eiedon Alley, a reference to Harry Potter's Diagon Alley" - lolwut? No. No. No.
_Eidolon_ (read it carefully), meaning "spectre" or "phantom", is also used in reference to the nightmares on the moon: every Season of the Haunted armor piece has "Eidolon Pursuant" in its name. It can also mean the quintessential or idealized version of something (as is implied in the Eidolon Bird sparrow's flavour text, "on holy wings you fly"). In either case, an "Eidolon Ally" is certainly the type of ally we'd want to take with us to fight the horrors on the Moon. (Speaking of which, "ally", as in someone fighting on your side of a battle, is pronounced entirely differently from "alley", as in narrow road between buildings.)
I'm not here to pick on your dyslexia, but dude, pay attention to the lore and stop making things up.
1:50 until you realize Destiny 2 dlcs cost 50 bucks😆
I honestly thought TDB was fun, great fun in fact, and the Crota's End was a cool challenging raid at the time it released. Would it work in today's Destiny landscape? Maybe. With some major revisions and cheese prevention. I fear between skating and strand, much of it might be just entirely too cheesy if implemented as was lol
Nope the Dark Below was magical very fond 2 man raid runs
It's a little weird to hear Evan glaze up stuff like the longbow synthesis (pretty much every legendary weapon model in TDB is a reskin) during a time where players are lighting up neomuna weapons for reskinning moon weapons
I liked TDB. Good loot. Eris Morn?!?!
The grind back then wasn't bad. Played with my boys and grandson.
Grand was 8 and the DLC was scary for him!😊
Dark below was when I started playing destiny. I'm glad you brought up murmur. That was on of my first guns.
I think "comfort food" is the best term to use for The Dark Below. It may not be the best, but you still enjoy it. I know I did. The Dark Below holds a special place in my mind.
necrochasm was complete ass till age of triumph what are you talking about lmao
Actually took mw two years to get a crux drop. Finally got one right after rise of iron hit XD
Lol 20 dollars a dlc sounds better than paying for 100 dollars for dlc every season and a exotic weapon.
especially when you get multiple exotic weapons and armor, crucible maps and a raid in the 20 dollar one😂
Be sure to get the Lawnmower 4.0 for your Scrota 😎
Lemme just say this: Bungie has always been consistently excellent at one thing - trailers. They're so infuriatingly good at making trailers. Final Shape teaser? Damn near sold me instantly on the expansion. Even though I've endured years of Bungie's sub-par story releases thus far, and expect nothing more for Final Shape...the trailer nearly instantly sold me on it.
i think the dark below was a pretty decent dlc at the time, it brought so many new things, and added on a new raid too. i was also like 9 back then too so it seemed a lot more mysterious and whatnot, followed by barely any coverage too on how to do things. idk i liked it but i was also 9