Frank is always impressive, but maybe the most impressive thing is how long he can carry a single take offloading just OODLES of information and not missing a beat or jump cutting every 2 seconds. Respect.
It's nice but they really need to lower the price quite a bit in order to make it compelling, $120 for the Elgato Stream Deck vs $279 for the Razer Version which realy just has a few more buttons/dials really doesn't seem worth it to me. Also, I would have liked to see some Razer integration for things like Razer Chroma for RGB and such.
Build quality, feel, design, stability on the desk while pressing buttons... There are things barely or not touched on at all in this video, which greatly contribute to user experience. He fails to mention that you can get something like AutoHotKey and write scripts with Chat GPT that can easily automate A LOT & about anything in your PC with the multitude of controls that the RAZER SC has... I feel like Random Frank has yet to understand the product properly. Also, going on & on about how complex it is... firstly, if you're even a bit tech savvy this will surely NOT seem daunting; secondly, complaining about a product that allows you to do a whole lot with a slew of professional applications (Premiere, DaVinci, Photoshop, Lightroom, etc) that many serious streamers would need use and giving you room to grow and learn without quickly reaching a point where you're gonna feel like you need better gear... that makes little sense, IMO.
It cost more than the allready established stream deck that has way more features more buttons and its own software.. Razer dont know what it is they want to do!
Wrong. Razer wants to do everything. Which is why they make some really bad products sometimes. They have some bangers, and they have some major flops. Like their monitor *cough cough*
@@wavytoad9983 that's what I like about them. They try everything. And yeh, sometimes shit isn't good, but its not like we have to buy everything they make, and even if one good new innovation is made every 3 products they try, that's a win imo.
It´s disappointing to see a company like Razer take the easy and lazy road by just paying Loupdeck for the rights to put the Razer name on their product without adding anything new. You´re right, who in their right mind would wait for the release of the Razer versionm if the original is already on sale.
Really really hoped it would have Razer controls in it. I really wish to have something like the stream deck that can control my Razer Chroma and Profiles because i have way to many lighting profiles on all my Razer devices.
you can have a button on your keyboard that leads to a profile with a bunch of keys remapped to change your lighting profile and the same button to change it back to your other kb profile :) hope this helps
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Razer Chroma is already in the marketplace. I don't have a Chroma so I can't test it out, but it seems to have a lot of features. 17 if I count them correctly, with switch profile as one of them.
I just got one, two years after this video. Changing the sensitivity of my Razer mouse with one of the knobs is 1) possible now, and 2) really cool and useful! I don’t have to flip my mouse over and push a button to select a preset now. …but I’m still struggling with the software. Less than 24 hours in though. At least I got it for $129, which seems closer to what it’s worth, rather than $279
My favorite use of this is mapping to MIDI, and controlling Voicemeeter Banana and OBS to manage multiple audio sources and routing in one place. That’s actually the most significant reason I got it. Thinking about it now I wonder if I could just do that with a MIDI controller.
You're underestimating the appeal this will have for the Razer fan boys. Brand recognition alone will probably sell more units than loopdeck ever did even with a head start.
Touch portal and a fire hd10 for 80$ total is what I went with the last week instead of buying this or a elgato. We have the elgato at work just laying around so i used that and it was nice having buttons but I used the work tablet "2019 fire hd" and that honestly was better. so yeah I picked the tablet on sale for 70 and the app was like 13 or something and hella nice software other than having to restart it sometimes.
I wanted either the loupedeck or stream deck for shortcuts mainly and streaming down the line. I choose the loupedeck as it looked better and was many years newer. I never really enjoyed it too much, the only thing I use it for today is to be able the use the dials to control the volume for each app, which even that is a bit iffy as you cannot control the order that the apps appear or hide apps such as razer synapse or the steam app which you would never need to control the volume for those. For example, Chrome might be on page 1 then I might need to change to page 2 to control the game volume. I spoke to Loupedeck about it they said it's coming from the computer mixer and cannot be configured at all. The software is not user-friendly as mentioned. Simple things like adding a bookmark was really hard at the start, and their folder approach which is that there are no folders just pages which use created shortcut buttons is really stressful. A year later I brought the Streamdeck on sale, which I love and would recommend it over the Loupedeck no matter what. Hopefully, in the future, the loupedeck software will be much better, but right now it's trash. 😥
loupedeck live isn't available officially in Malaysia. The cost of some company importing the thing is rather ridiculous, so with Razer branding, the price would be a lot more comparable and competitive against the elgato stream deck.
Question, can each wheel be independently assigned the audio of the programs? For example, one for discord, another for a game, another for spotify, etc? Some say that if you have these entries configured in OBS, it is possible. But without using OBS, does it allow you to do it?
I like my streamdeck because I keep it towards the back of my desk near my monitor. This big gadget you'd need to keep right by you to access all the buttons. For the buttons I really enjoy my tour box. The streamdeck and the tourbox is a perfect combo.
coming from 2 years into the future its weird seeing what was projected and theorized flipped around where the loupedeck is $280 (and with dead end hair ripping support) and the same exact thing down to the mistake marks on the plastic but with the razer logo on it be $130
I bought this man, the software is not allowing for customization, the "add action" but is missing. The contact support for razer isnt working and the loupedeck support is 2 day wait time...... This is crazy... Every product I have bought for audio adjustment/macro has started with contacting support due to a core feature not working correctly...WTH
I've been lusting after the concept of the Loupedeck Live for a while, but the software shortcomings have kept me from pulling the trigger. I'm hoping Razer's involvement will boost the software development and optimization as well as linking into Synapse. My use cases would be CAD, Adobe, controls during gaming, Home Assistant controls from my desk, and general use shortcuts/control
This is what's keeping me from jumping off my Stream Deck, it's probably a better device overall in terms of features, but Elgato's software and plugin support isn't something I'm willing to give up.
I need Elgato to make this product. Make it a DAC as well. An all in one mic, audio, and stream deck. Literally perfect for creators and the integration with Elgato's other software and hardware
Got to have physical push buttons, otherwise its just a touch tablet/phone and that sucks when in the heat of a stream and not able to constantly look at what you're pressing.
LoupeDeck made a great product ahead of its time and now with many more Techtubers giving the TH-cam space a go, these devices are becoming more essential. Just hope the prices come down for what they are and the software does improve.
Dude... Frank... lol @ 10:10 - "the ONLY silver lining is the FACT that we are PROBABLY GUARANTEED EVENTUALLY to be getting a...." oh and don't forget that there is most likely a "MAYBE" in there somewhere LMAO - that is the most "FACTUAL" GUESS at the POSSIBILITY of MAYBE getting a product AT SOME POINT.... PROBABLY.. lmao - do you see what I'm gettin at here?? - I just wanted to make you laugh, I'm not trying to insult you at all... I hope I didn't, I just wanted to give you a bit of a chuckle about your FACT that there is a POSSIBILITY of you GUESSING they'll come out with this AMAZING Keyboard/StreamDeck combo (which I would LOVE to own!!!) :)
I just use a 75% keyboard with a MAX Keyboards Falcon 20 and have all of my OBS hotkeys set to F13-F20. Alongside that I also use all the numpad keys as those are distinct from the number bar keys and that gets the job done just fine.
the stream deck has some stuff going for it because elgato is owned by corsair so theyll have some integration there. this could have been great if it was an on the fly synapse piece or something equivalent to that. i dont really need a dedicated macro to launch synapse because i dont find myself opening it all that often to begin with but having all the control over synapse at my fingertips might change that. hopefully it does eventually get proper support there because aside from their siren v2 mic i dont see them really doing anything great in the streaming space
Here's an idea, stream deck phone app. If Clip Studio can make a Tab-Mate controller app for artists to access tools without having the UI on the tablet screen, a stream deck app for Twitch is totally possible.
Too many options? I can't complain about too many options! Imagine having too little option, now that's worth a complaint. They probably wanted to push it more into the gaming sphere instead of video editing sphere. I'd like to have one, it's just a tad expensive.
I own both. It is not the many options but the bad implementation and how hard and complicated it is to make simple stuff work, like a website shortcut for example. Stream deck is equally powerful when it comes to automations but 10 times easier and more user friendly. Except if anyone has a very specific use for the knobs, that are loupedeck only, I would suggest go for the legato.
I wanted the loupe deck live so bad and still kind of do but its crazy to see there's no update with the razer what would be the purpose? to sell it on razer website?
Glad to see it uses loopdeck software. Razer… their software has become nearly inoperable for many. Pointless crashes constantly. I used to have a Razer Kiyo and every time I turned on the camera feed preview, synapse would crash. (All on a top spec pc) currently am looking for other ecosystems than Razer…
I'm pretty much all in on alexa now, considering Google, but all the pc branded systems just aren't made to be all rounded let alone highly functioning
Can you use it to control multiple audio outputs? For example I have a razer audio controller where I can switch voice chat/game audio levels separately, but I’d like to be able to control more such as music or videos
The beautiful irony in the fact that I started scrolling down to see if there was a price listed anywhere in the description only seconds before he started talking about attention spans being so little these days 🤣
Half the time my synapse just shits itself. Out of the blue nothing is working with it. Never had it blue screen yet. I should try and blue screen my PC.
I have a Loupdeck Live so does the Razor Profile exclusive only to the Razor Controller and not the Loupdeck Live itself ? 🤣 Cause I don't see a the *"Streaming"* profile in the marketplace ? But if that's the case then its Loupdeck Live profile creators vs Razor Controller default software ?
I get it's daunting, but I've gotten used to that. Try running windows 10 and modern programs on 20 year old pc's 😂 Besides, I always know what I want and will change up regularly anyway. Might just get the loopedeck or a streamdeck mk.2 though 😜
Why doesn't Elgato go the route of knobs and faders. I would buy an Elgato stream deck with knobs and faders. Look at the beacn and goxlr. Get on it Elgato
Frank is always impressive, but maybe the most impressive thing is how long he can carry a single take offloading just OODLES of information and not missing a beat or jump cutting every 2 seconds. Respect.
This is true, he crams more useful info into 10 minute overview than many do in a 40 minute full on review
It's nice but they really need to lower the price quite a bit in order to make it compelling, $120 for the Elgato Stream Deck vs $279 for the Razer Version which realy just has a few more buttons/dials really doesn't seem worth it to me. Also, I would have liked to see some Razer integration for things like Razer Chroma for RGB and such.
agree on this
Build quality, feel, design, stability on the desk while pressing buttons... There are things barely or not touched on at all in this video, which greatly contribute to user experience.
He fails to mention that you can get something like AutoHotKey and write scripts with Chat GPT that can easily automate A LOT & about anything in your PC with the multitude of controls that the RAZER SC has... I feel like Random Frank has yet to understand the product properly.
Also, going on & on about how complex it is... firstly, if you're even a bit tech savvy this will surely NOT seem daunting; secondly, complaining about a product that allows you to do a whole lot with a slew of professional applications (Premiere, DaVinci, Photoshop, Lightroom, etc) that many serious streamers would need use and giving you room to grow and learn without quickly reaching a point where you're gonna feel like you need better gear... that makes little sense, IMO.
They slapped a Razer logo on it and upped the price by $100
Edit : It was a joke I’m pretty sure the price change is only $30
That’s razer for ya
Hard pass because of that
apple be like
Huh? the price of loupedeck n razer one is the same. Both are 269 usd
@@jackfittell1760 its only $10 more, what ya on about
It cost more than the allready established stream deck that has way more features more buttons and its own software.. Razer dont know what it is they want to do!
but it looks so cool
Id love an Elgato deck with knobs
Wrong. Razer wants to do everything. Which is why they make some really bad products sometimes. They have some bangers, and they have some major flops. Like their monitor *cough cough*
@@wavytoad9983 that's what I like about them. They try everything. And yeh, sometimes shit isn't good, but its not like we have to buy everything they make, and even if one good new innovation is made every 3 products they try, that's a win imo.
Hmmm, depending on how assignable that is. It could be a fantastic button box for sim games. Since the Stream Deck lacks knobs.
what about the stream deck+
They should make a smaller one to compete with the Elgato Stream Deck mini.
They should make a bigger one
@@The00man I agree... Razer should make a keyboard...
Razer Stream Controller x
I love you man, been watching for 7 years, if I had to guess. Still here and you do NOT disappoint.
Whenever I have software with lists like that, I usually start leaning on the search function which I hope is decent enough for people out there
It´s disappointing to see a company like Razer take the easy and lazy road by just paying Loupdeck for the rights to put the Razer name on their product without adding anything new. You´re right, who in their right mind would wait for the release of the Razer versionm if the original is already on sale.
Slapping their Logo on it, but not integrating it into Synapse is pretty dissappointing, imo
Really really hoped it would have Razer controls in it. I really wish to have something like the stream deck that can control my Razer Chroma and Profiles because i have way to many lighting profiles on all my Razer devices.
you can have a button on your keyboard that leads to a profile with a bunch of keys remapped to change your lighting profile and the same button to change it back to your other kb profile :) hope this helps
Razer Chroma is already in the marketplace. I don't have a Chroma so I can't test it out, but it seems to have a lot of features. 17 if I count them correctly, with switch profile as one of them.
I just got one, two years after this video. Changing the sensitivity of my Razer mouse with one of the knobs is 1) possible now, and 2) really cool and useful! I don’t have to flip my mouse over and push a button to select a preset now. …but I’m still struggling with the software. Less than 24 hours in though. At least I got it for $129, which seems closer to what it’s worth, rather than $279
Loving the oppening explanation!🤣🤣
My favorite use of this is mapping to MIDI, and controlling Voicemeeter Banana and OBS to manage multiple audio sources and routing in one place. That’s actually the most significant reason I got it. Thinking about it now I wonder if I could just do that with a MIDI controller.
I was just going to ask if it could be used as a MIDI controller. I'd like some kind of physical controls for my SDR software
Would Beacn Mix Create not do this?
You're underestimating the appeal this will have for the Razer fan boys. Brand recognition alone will probably sell more units than loopdeck ever did even with a head start.
3:40 What's a dragon drop?
Touch portal and a fire hd10 for 80$ total is what I went with the last week instead of buying this or a elgato. We have the elgato at work just laying around so i used that and it was nice having buttons but I used the work tablet "2019 fire hd" and that honestly was better. so yeah I picked the tablet on sale for 70 and the app was like 13 or something and hella nice software other than having to restart it sometimes.
If you are buying this for Spotify controls don't bother-- they haven't fixed the Spotify account integration in over 2 years
I wanted either the loupedeck or stream deck for shortcuts mainly and streaming down the line. I choose the loupedeck as it looked better and was many years newer. I never really enjoyed it too much, the only thing I use it for today is to be able the use the dials to control the volume for each app, which even that is a bit iffy as you cannot control the order that the apps appear or hide apps such as razer synapse or the steam app which you would never need to control the volume for those. For example, Chrome might be on page 1 then I might need to change to page 2 to control the game volume. I spoke to Loupedeck about it they said it's coming from the computer mixer and cannot be configured at all.
The software is not user-friendly as mentioned. Simple things like adding a bookmark was really hard at the start, and their folder approach which is that there are no folders just pages which use created shortcut buttons is really stressful. A year later I brought the Streamdeck on sale, which I love and would recommend it over the Loupedeck no matter what. Hopefully, in the future, the loupedeck software will be much better, but right now it's trash. 😥
There are probably software implementations that could help. Try something like Voicemeeter and route all your audio through that.
Hi frank I’ve been watching for along time I recommend your channel to alots of my friends and they enjoy your channel too!
loupedeck live isn't available officially in Malaysia. The cost of some company importing the thing is rather ridiculous, so with Razer branding, the price would be a lot more comparable and competitive against the elgato stream deck.
Title should read "Razer rebranded a Loupedeck!"
Does anyone know if it's possible to configure a fader to perform the function of gradually increasing the volume (fade effect) on a bus in vMix?
Question, can each wheel be independently assigned the audio of the programs? For example, one for discord, another for a game, another for spotify, etc?
Some say that if you have these entries configured in OBS, it is possible. But without using OBS, does it allow you to do it?
Oh my god what a wild ride the opening explanation was lol
I like my streamdeck because I keep it towards the back of my desk near my monitor. This big gadget you'd need to keep right by you to access all the buttons. For the buttons I really enjoy my tour box. The streamdeck and the tourbox is a perfect combo.
coming from 2 years into the future its weird seeing what was projected and theorized flipped around where the loupedeck is $280 (and with dead end hair ripping support) and the same exact thing down to the mistake marks on the plastic but with the razer logo on it be $130
Can the stream deck be used for reloading or grenades in fps games?
I bought this man, the software is not allowing for customization, the "add action" but is missing. The contact support for razer isnt working and the loupedeck support is 2 day wait time......
This is crazy... Every product I have bought for audio adjustment/macro has started with contacting support due to a core feature not working correctly...WTH
I've been lusting after the concept of the Loupedeck Live for a while, but the software shortcomings have kept me from pulling the trigger. I'm hoping Razer's involvement will boost the software development and optimization as well as linking into Synapse. My use cases would be CAD, Adobe, controls during gaming, Home Assistant controls from my desk, and general use shortcuts/control
Very much the same, I tried and returned it. Stream deck has been having great software support
This is what's keeping me from jumping off my Stream Deck, it's probably a better device overall in terms of features, but Elgato's software and plugin support isn't something I'm willing to give up.
I need Elgato to make this product. Make it a DAC as well. An all in one mic, audio, and stream deck. Literally perfect for creators and the integration with Elgato's other software and hardware
Got to have physical push buttons, otherwise its just a touch tablet/phone and that sucks when in the heat of a stream and not able to constantly look at what you're pressing.
LoupeDeck made a great product ahead of its time and now with many more Techtubers giving the TH-cam space a go, these devices are becoming more essential. Just hope the prices come down for what they are and the software does improve.
Dude... Frank... lol @ 10:10 - "the ONLY silver lining is the FACT that we are PROBABLY GUARANTEED EVENTUALLY to be getting a...." oh and don't forget that there is most likely a "MAYBE" in there somewhere LMAO - that is the most "FACTUAL" GUESS at the POSSIBILITY of MAYBE getting a product AT SOME POINT.... PROBABLY.. lmao - do you see what I'm gettin at here?? - I just wanted to make you laugh, I'm not trying to insult you at all... I hope I didn't, I just wanted to give you a bit of a chuckle about your FACT that there is a POSSIBILITY of you GUESSING they'll come out with this AMAZING Keyboard/StreamDeck combo (which I would LOVE to own!!!) :)
this is like the razer version of the sony wxm4 headphones, basically the same product but with razer branding
I wonder if the knobs will suck after some time, like the one on the Razer Huntsman keyboard
Hm nice, I see an Affinity Photo thing in the video here. Elgato's doesn't have Affinity Photo native support, but there's an icon pack..
what was the steelseries keyboard with the black and cyan keys with the hand rest?
Your product + our logo = "Collaboration"
I just use a 75% keyboard with a MAX Keyboards Falcon 20 and have all of my OBS hotkeys set to F13-F20. Alongside that I also use all the numpad keys as those are distinct from the number bar keys and that gets the job done just fine.
the stream deck has some stuff going for it because elgato is owned by corsair so theyll have some integration there. this could have been great if it was an on the fly synapse piece or something equivalent to that. i dont really need a dedicated macro to launch synapse because i dont find myself opening it all that often to begin with but having all the control over synapse at my fingertips might change that. hopefully it does eventually get proper support there because aside from their siren v2 mic i dont see them really doing anything great in the streaming space
It would be cool if the Razer one could also work with Razor products like headphones and keyboards
Wait, so this also just uses the same Loupedeck software? So the only difference would be the packaging, logo and price?
Where can I find the bnc cable you used?
Could any owner of the Loupedeck Live / Razer Stream Deck advise, whether there is an option to show system stats such as CPU / GPU temps as a graph?
If you were to just get the loopdeck today, does it have the same updated software?
Hey Frank so have you decided which E car you're going with? Tesla or E Mustang? I personally went with the Lightning F150 Platinum
Here's an idea, stream deck phone app.
If Clip Studio can make a Tab-Mate controller app for artists to access tools without having the UI on the tablet screen, a stream deck app for Twitch is totally possible.
Too many options? I can't complain about too many options! Imagine having too little option, now that's worth a complaint.
They probably wanted to push it more into the gaming sphere instead of video editing sphere.
I'd like to have one, it's just a tad expensive.
I own both. It is not the many options but the bad implementation and how hard and complicated it is to make simple stuff work, like a website shortcut for example. Stream deck is equally powerful when it comes to automations but 10 times easier and more user friendly. Except if anyone has a very specific use for the knobs, that are loupedeck only, I would suggest go for the legato.
Do they have sony vegas profiles?
I wanted the loupe deck live so bad and still kind of do but its crazy to see there's no update with the razer what would be the purpose? to sell it on razer website?
I use the Stream Deck for my Alibre CAD software. I wish they had some pre-made profiles for 3D CAD software. Manual setup can be tedious.
Why dont you make video about razer ornata v3? It was released like three weeks already. And its already on amazon.
wuuuut uuup been using the LD for over a year now and i love it $$$$
can i control de volumen of a specific program ?
A refreshed DeathStalker but with hotswap sockets and some modern upgrades would be an interesting product.
Elgato streamdeck + vs loupedeck live witch better bro.?
whats the diffrence between this and the loupdeck ct?
Can I use this to control an iPad?
Yo RFP! a bit new to your channel, good stuff, I'm in love with those black and teal keycaps you're using, where can I find those?
They should have named it Razer Loupedeck. I like it
I see that has cubase ableton etc, thats cool
Glad to see it uses loopdeck software. Razer… their software has become nearly inoperable for many. Pointless crashes constantly. I used to have a Razer Kiyo and every time I turned on the camera feed preview, synapse would crash. (All on a top spec pc) currently am looking for other ecosystems than Razer…
I'm pretty much all in on alexa now, considering Google, but all the pc branded systems just aren't made to be all rounded let alone highly functioning
Can you use it to control multiple audio outputs? For example I have a razer audio controller where I can switch voice chat/game audio levels separately, but I’d like to be able to control more such as music or videos
I'm wondering the same thing
For 279, you might as well get the Elgato XL. It's only $199 and you get 32 damn keys. Or you could get the base Elgato for like $109 on amazon...
That bit in the beginning I need more of that! Haha
can u load wave link into it and use the knobs for all the volumes
Don’t have to wait until fall for the stream deck from razer tho, they are released now
Hey Frank, can you review the Akko MOD 008? The 65% with a knob. It would really be great! Thanks!
Can you please review the cepter Amber mini?
Wow the Razer looks so much better than the Loupedeck 😶
That intro was a ride in itself 😂
1 year later, whats stopping me from buy the Loupdeck live over Razer? $69 more for the Loupdeck lol.
LMAO that intro was legendary
Good info.
Subscribed.
have this gif support?
Dope intro no wonder you said that it took you a bunch of takes.
Thumbs up just for that intro...🤣
ah yes. stream deck and loupdeck live had a baby
Soild intro,
Thank you for the laughs.
So cool I might buy and great video :D
razer is hunting down tons of streaming companies lol
As a writer, I would kill for one of these decks with a preset for Scrivener or Word.
The beautiful irony in the fact that I started scrolling down to see if there was a price listed anywhere in the description only seconds before he started talking about attention spans being so little these days 🤣
i would honestly like more razer products if synapse wasn't so hit or miss. Sometimes it can be brilliant and sometimes it makes my PC bluescreen.
Half the time my synapse just shits itself. Out of the blue nothing is working with it. Never had it blue screen yet. I should try and blue screen my PC.
Loopdeck be like: "yo razer help me sell my product"
Razer: "you mean our product. $100 extra"
Loopdeck: "wait no stop"
Reminds me of someone when they were a teen, they'd call everyone "yo dawg"
That was my 1st thought it looks like loupedeck
Neat product, hilarious price
I have a Loupdeck Live so does the Razor Profile exclusive only to the Razor Controller and not the Loupdeck Live itself ? 🤣
Cause I don't see a the *"Streaming"* profile in the marketplace ?
But if that's the case then its Loupdeck Live profile creators vs Razor Controller default software ?
The Stream Deck XL is so much more useful, especially on the Mac with Keyboard Maestro and Better Touch Tool.
Man I wish these things dont always cost professional studio levels of pricey
Maybe by the time they drop it there will be Razer esk exclusives
yall know the price dif is only $10 right?? like did anyone actually look it up?
I get it's daunting, but I've gotten used to that. Try running windows 10 and modern programs on 20 year old pc's 😂
Besides, I always know what I want and will change up regularly anyway.
Might just get the loopedeck or a streamdeck mk.2 though 😜
Wait is this April fools or did razer just rip off the loop deck mini
Why doesn't Elgato go the route of knobs and faders. I would buy an Elgato stream deck with knobs and faders. Look at the beacn and goxlr. Get on it Elgato
So a loupedeck made by loupedeck with a razer badge that costs more than a loupedeck!!!
I just use touch panel maybe bit more of a set up but can do the same and more and look better then any of these
The analog dial is great, but won't be worth to 279 bucks. Besides, if with wireless it'll be wonderful,seriously.