Gethsemane: a discussion with Andrew Skinner (week of June 11, only episode)
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- In this episode Kerry and Andy discuss the importance of Christ's suffering, His teachings on unity and His solitude in suffering, what we know about His suffering, how we can think about it, and other elements of the atoning sacrifice of Christ in Gethsemane.
In the episode, we talk about Andy's book, which you can buy here (amzn.to/3N3HUdR) (just copy and paste it into your browser) or for just the book on Gethsemane you can buy it here (amzn.to/3CozFo4)
We are grateful for our sponsor, Lisa Spice, and for our editor, BJ Muhlestein, and for Rich Nicholls, who composed and plays the music for the podcast.
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I'd never thought of this before, but as Brother Skinner spoke of the pains and travail of the Savior's suffering having moments of reprieve or pauses, I realized the similarities to women in childbirth. It makes even more sense when coupled with Isaiah's writings and Revelation also.
You are sooo right! His suffering is often compared to childbirth for so many reasons (including the joy that comes because of the new life it produced), but I hadn't thought of this aspect before. Thank you!!!!
I think our Heavenly Mother was with our Heavenly Father during this excruciatingly painful time. I feel for her as much as I do our Father.
I agree!!!! Of course we know nothing of it, but I can't imagine you are not right. And what pains She must have felt!
I'm 75 years old and for the first time in my life am the gospel doctrine teacher. I'm so grateful to you both for expanding my understanding! I love you both. 'God Will Prevail' has opened my eyes and ears to all the covenant language in the scriptures and enriched my awareness and understanding of my covenant promises and precious binding power. I was just up visiting my sister and she had a book that I did not, 'Gethsemane'. I read it and ordered a copy of my own. Perfect for my preparation for my 3rd Sunday lesson coming right up!
Thank you both so much!!!
I am so very glad that this has been helpful for you! So glad!!!
For years, my husband and I have thought that it made no sense for Peter to have lacked faith outside the palace of the High Priest when only a short time before, he had drawn his sword and attacked when he was so heavily out numbered by armed men even without hearing that some scholars think Jesus commanded Peter to deny him. So it was good to hear Peter defended by Dr. Skinner by talking about what happened in the garden. Instead of running away as did most of the other Apostles, he followed Jesus to the palace and situated himself among a crowd who would have included some of the very men who had gone to the garden to arrest Jesus.
Part of the problem is that we so often study the scriptures in Sunday School in isolated chunks. I know in past podcasts you, Dr Muhlestein, have made the point of asking what question did Jesus ask and have connected what happened at the end of a chapter to what's going on in the beginning of the next one. Whereas so often we just deal with the parables or statements after the question and treat each chapter as a self-contained unit.
Thank you for these podcasts - always informative and enlightening.
John and Peter stayed with the Savior all night, John heard the actual words Peter said that night, and according to John, at no time did Peter actually deny Christ; two times Peter was asked if he was a disciple of Christ, and both times he said “I am not”, then once the kinsman of Malchus (the one Peter cut the right ear off of) asked Peter if he was the one he saw cut off his kinsman’s ear in the garden, and Peter says again “I am not”
Peter denied being himself three times, he never actually denied Christ… I take the account of John over the other writers, because John was actually with Peter all night and heard himself what Peter actually said, the others were not there…
I love Peter, and have always been hurt by the remarks teachers have made in classes about him as it relates to that night, I am glad to discover others have had the same heart for Peter that I have
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I agree! We can make our best sense of this story when we look at everything we know of Peter up to this point.
@@brendamartin3444100 agreed!
Thank you for edifying my soul! Again and again!! If you are ever in the Newport Beach Temple, come say hello! I am so grateful for you all! Amazing insights! Thanks again! 💟
I would love to be in Newport Beach sometime! If so I will look for you.
This podcast was powerful and beautiful!
I am glad it was that way for you! It was for me too.
Your compassionate readings and detailed discussions of the pain which Jesus suffered made His atonement seem more real and much more agonizing than I had ever imagined. Throughout this podcast, both of your thoughtful messages and insights greatly increased my gratitude and love for my Savior.
Nothing could make me happier to hear! I am so, so grateful that together we all come to appreciate and understand His sacrifice better.
I feel truly blessed to have listened to you two wonderful men during this episode. So thankful for my savior! The Atonement is real 🌸
AMEN!!!
I loved to see your emotion when you talked about your dad and how much I appreciate your insights about -maybe- Joseph, his earthly father, being the angel that came to stay with Christ. Wow! So touching!
I think sometimes when we put ourselves in their place we either come to understand things better, or we at least understand how it works for us better.
I love you Brother Skinner.
Me too!
My soul has been filled. Thank you both for this discussion.
So glad!
That must have been so painful for Heavenly Father! I appreciate your thoughts on this. I know how hard it hurts my heart when my children hurt.
Amen!!!
Thank you!
So glad you liked it!
Fantastic 👌🙏❤️
The topic and the guest are fantastic, aren't they!
Luke 24 has a link to D&C 64:8. We need to be aware of this in our own lives and church callings.
Thank you!!!
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Wonderful discussion. In reference to Mark 14:33, the KJV translation of "...sore amazed..." seems much closer to the Greek than what modern translations like the ESV do with the text in connection with Jesus who was "...distressed and troubled.." at this point. The JST tells us in the equivalent verses 34-36 that it was the disciples that were sore amazed and still wondering if this was the Messiah because in Jewish mythology Messiah wasn't supposed to die. I guess the old original manuscript of Mark (what ever language it was originally composed in) might have lost something in translation or transmission?
You raise a good point. Joseph did shift the amazement to the disciples. But the "terror" aspect doesn't quite seem to fit them. It seems to me that something was being said about the Savior and His disciples, and that we have to read both versions to capture both sets of emotions. I suppose we will have to wait until the next life to find out for sure.
Where can I access the show notes for these wonderful episodes
We don't have much in the way of show notes. What we have you can see in the "description" portion above.
@@TheScripturesAreReal That is fine. No worries. Thanks so much for your reply and all that you do.
The Transcript Form Takes Excellent Notes! Aloha🕶️🤙🏾
I don’t see links in the notes
Sorry. I put them in now.