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Wonder if you could somehow manipulate RNG in one of the more recent games to guarantee the result you want. Sounds like something fun, for someone else to figure out
@usernametaken017 You could, but I think the issue there is how tight it already was to get the order of move execution to enable over 300%. Trying to make it so that someone uses copycat directly after anyone used Ally Switch may mean the damaging move (on the turn for attack) wouldn't be able to trigger? (I'm not 100% on any of this though haha) That problem potentially fixable with Future Sight?? But I don't know for sure and it probably wouldn't take to 2hp again either hahah
wish was changed to work that way in gen 5, and I'm sorry to say, but throughout the entire video I was like "why is he using wish smeargle, it has like no hp"
Before watching, my first thought was a Vaporeon that had been passed Ingrain + Aqua Ring, using Wish + Baton Pass to bring a pre-poisoned Gliscor that'd been tricked Leftovers in on a False Swipe. Vaporeon's base 130 HP stat Wish would heal Gliscor a ton, and the passive recovery of Poison Heal, Ingrain, Aqua Ring, and Leftovers would easily get it from 1 HP to full. Double Healing Wish Ally Switch Eject Pack cycling strategery was not on my bingo card lmao
Of all the Pokémon that learn the move Wish, Pichu has the smallest base HP stat. With 0 IVs or EVs in HP, Pichu has an HP stat of 11, which (depending on whether the game rounds healing up or down) would heal the Pokémon in that slot by only 5 or 6 HP. Alternatively, you could deal 1 HP of damage to a Pokémon holding a leftovers, but I think the Pichu strat is more fun.
4:26 for those who want to know the difference lunar dance also restores the next pokemon's power points to full as well as health while healing wish only restores health (both cure status though) to full So you can miss 8 more fire blasts.
@@ChristmasPterodactyl Was mainly talking about what the move itself does not how it interacts with abilities of another pokemon though that is an interesting fact. I now know how to get rid of my opponent's Oricorio
This is the amount one pokemon can be healed by in one turn, not the amount one pokemon can heal in one turn. Back to the showdown dungeon with you. How much healing can one pokemon be responsible for in one turn
I think instruct + floral healing in grassy terrain and leftovers beats all the suggestions thus far. 75% per instruct and you can probably manage 2 instructs in a turn, coming out to 230%-ish. You can use follow me to redirect the healing target since floral healing is +3 priority
Everything else was arcane bullshit, but man Wish using the users' HP is like a core part of why it's so good; most of the pokemon notorious for using it have stellar HP stats and can fully heal your sweeper if they get stuffed
headlong rush has also been common in smogon singles for all of gen 9. offensive Great Tusk sets use it, as well as a couple other mons like Ursaluna and i forget who else. still correct about EQ being like 70% of ground moves though lol
I have a cursed suggestion. Psychic Noise would stop all healing for the Blissey for two turns, including passive methods, which might allow you to set up Leech Seed, Aqua Ring, and Ingrain for the end of the important turn, but stay at 1 hp at the beginning of the important turn.
Those are 75 percents while the heals from lunar dance/healing wish are 100% and the wishes can actually heal more than 50% of the *target's* HP if the circumstances are right (something he didn't exploit in the video however)
"Am I the only one who didn't know this?" Yes. one of the Huge upsides of wish is that its one of the few moves that can heal a pokemon for more than half its HP with no downsides. It's also why wish Chansey was so powerful when it existed. Edit: realize my lack of tone sounds a bit harsh. I just meant that yeah, it's pretty common knowledge if you're familiar with competitive, and it's really what makes the move unique
It’s funny that when he said, am I the only one that didn’t know this I was thinking yeah probably because I don’t really know all that much I see and somehow I don’t do that about wish blissey
However, there was a change to wish in gen V. gen IV wish always healed the recipient by 50% of it's own max hp. So, no he isn't losing his mind he just never played around with wish after the change.
If I remember right, Ally Switch spam was a serious problem in VGC the previous generation which led to Protect-style restrictions on it due to it functioning along a similar axis in terms of preventing attacks.
3 improvments that can be made 1. use assist to get around ally switch priority, this will clear up both blisseys item slot for the end of turn to allow for leftovers and an extra move 2. end of turn effects have priority, you can get around the healing from ingrain/aquaring/leftovers boosting blisseys hp above 1 the turn prior by having blissey be under the effect of toxic 3. you can increase the amount healed from wish by using a pokemon with a higher base hp, Wigglytuff is best since it has the highest hp stat
thinking about the first point further you can have blissey use metronome into ally switch instead to free up the partner pokemons attack, this would allow the partner to also attack blissey down to 2 hp allowing for a third healing wish/lunar dance (1 on the first tile and 2 stacked onto the second)
Note: Blissey _can_ know Wish through a Gen 3 event Chansey, but since games from Gen 8 onwards reset your movesets on transfer, you can't use Wish on Blissey in the latest gen.
If you give Blissey Strength Sap, you can make work with that. Have like 3 mons use Instruct on mons with high Attack boost and stats. Strength Sap: heals based off of target’s attack stat, so as long as that’s above 714 Atk you can keep healing. If you can somehow do Healing Wish, Lunar Dance, and then Strength Sap like 3 times that’s like 500% HP. BTW idk if this is possible or how it would work but it’s an idea! Brought to you by a Balanced Hackmons player.
@@magica3526 If used Hackmons that part isn’t even an issue, Blissey has the lowest defense in the game. Use Mega Mewtwo X or Kartana. There’s a lot of things that could work, if we want to use Pure Hackmons, Mega Mewtwo X or Eternetus Gmax with Pure Power and False Swipe, guaranteeing 1 HP and 714 HP.
@@magica3526 I’m not good at this but we could get 400% I think, if we do Healing Wish > Lunar Dance > False Swipe #1 > Strength Sap > False Swipe #2 > Instruct. This gets you to 2852 points I think. Idk the heck I’m talking about atp.
11:41 See I've never actually played a Pokemon game, but I like hearing you talk about niche mechanics and also that you're Irish, and the more detail is interesting
Fun fact! I once lost a nuzlocke because I didn't realize that thing about two eject buttons. I had a very specific strategy that relied on getting to switch both pokemon out. All of that went out the window. I feel your pain.
since blissey needs to switch in at the start of the turn theres no way to give it a different ability because all of the other pokemon on the field are using moves that arent skill swap already
6:39 ally switch used to be pretty common move sense it essentially allows your pokemon to tank a resistant hit and fire back while not having to use protect. It is a bit prediction reliant sense obviously the opponent could easily use a different attack then what you were expecting or even outright call the ally switch but still opens up many mind games. The reason it is useful is unlike protect you can spam ally switch as many consecutive turns as you want or even not use it and have the opponent attack expecting ally switch. It's most feared user is Shedinja but anything that learns it is fair game.
@@lucasgreer1736 In that case why bother using it over protect. Why play mind games that could potentially go in your opponents favor when you can just take one free turn?
Re: Wish, I noticed you said 50% originally and just assumed you were simplifying. Then got to the end and realized you didn't know this. It's one of the reasons only specific mons were/are used as clerics in competitive. In addition to knowing wish and either aroma therapy/heal bell, they'll usually be something with a huge HP stat like Blissey, alomomola, or vaporeon as they will pass more health to whatever you switch into than any other mon, so especially if you pass to a low hp mon you can easily heal them to full Also, not to cause you more headaches, but does regenerator interact meaningully with your ejecting loops? Would having a regenerator blissey be looped increase the total healing?
The only other thing that I can think of that might help is that mega launcher boosts Heal Pulse from 50% to 75% but I don't know how to work that in, still good video!
14:17 Only thing I can think of is a spread move that hits everyone ie earthquake so whoever's faster gets to switch out when mons on both sides of the field have eject buttons, but I can't imagine it ever coming up
I feel like there is a viable solution in rest < chesto berry < instruct < rest in order to get 2 100% heals instead of with a super convoluted healing wish set up. Actually, if you stacked both lunar dance and healing wish on the spot and did the eject pack looping after the double rest netting an easy 400% recovery. Set a wish on with blissey on the previous turn with copycat to get an extra 50% you can get put up to 450% + any end of turn effects set such as grassy terrain. Not sure how to precisely set it up tho and I'm not a youtuber with a massive following where I could earn money off a video dedicated to figuring it out.
I find it funny that he didn't know how Wish worked but he LITERALLY showed the page for Wish at 3:14 that clearly states what it does. Simply reading the page would have saved him quite a bit of trouble lol
Love the vids! Possible ideas for getting a bit more healing: 1. Could a higher HP wisher take the spot of the Smeargle? Farigiraf is the highest HP mon that learns Ally Switch in gen 9, and conveniently also learns Wish and Skill Swap 2. I think using a Grassy Surge mon instead of the Magikarp would still be helpful since it would only heal after the Healing Wish and Lunar dance activated Edit: Wondering if it would be possible to just use the highest HP wisher in Gen 9, Alomomola. You'd need to have it Eject Pack out right after the Wish into an Ally Switcher that gets Hospitality Skill Swapped onto it that turn, but I think that works?
3:19, minor mistake here, as shown in the video, it doesnt heal 50% of the hp of the pokemon, it heals 50% of the hp of the pokemon using wish, thats why blissey only healed 20%, because blissey has an enormous hp stat whilst smeargle's isnt too great. explaining for those who don't know. next vid: what is the most moves in one turn in pokemon edit: me after commenting something before watching the rest of the video, explaining this for people who read comments before finishing the rest of the vid (me and only me)
Ok so at 17:16 I think you could technically use a floating Pokémon (maybe with telekinesis or something) with the move Gravity to maybe get grassy terrain healing, but that would be stupid and probably mess everything up but it is technically some way to overcome that dilemma in theory if not in practice
it's incredible that you misunderstood wish this way (and apparently everyone else knew exactly how it worked) because my personal experience with wish was running it on umbreon in Gen 6 Showdown, where it always had a ton of HP compared to its team members, so I always thought until now that wish healed you up to full because I literally never ran into (or maybe just didn't notice) a situation where it didn't do this.
If the Blissey side Smeargle has a moveset of Role Play, Ally Switch, Wish, and Metal Sound, you could get 65 more HP out of it by using a Farigiraf (Base 120 HP, +222 HP Wish) with Ally Switch, Wish, and Skill Swap if you can find another way to reduce Blissey's special defense. If pre-gen 9 transfer moves are on the table, Wigglytuff (Base 140 HP, +242 HP Wish) can have Role Play, Ally Switch, Wish, and Fake Tears for an 85 HP boost over Smeargle's Wish.
I love those sorting videos. I originally put them on as background but ended up being too mesmerized. I can actually pay attention to them, unlike almost anything else. (Ig besides other math and CS...)
it would heal for the same amount it would heal before blissey starts the turn at 1HP to maximize the healing from the first healing wish, had grassy terrain be there and for example heal for 100 HP it would heal for 100P the blissey thus reducing the healing wish heal by 100, then heal 100 at the end, making it completely pointless
I love finding new up and coming channels which go into some heavy academic topics to tackle goofy questions in a children's game Also 17:17 was just words for me. I'm just here for the vibes
LOLOL it's VERY known to competitive players vgc smogon or otherwise, that wish heal is based on hp of the user, from wish chansey (event chansey from gen 3 DID learn wish, so funny that going through the mimic thing was used idk if you can still transfer it this far up, it was also just one event forever ago so it's legality is questionable) or other pokemon like alolomomola or audino, are known as wish-passers, since due to their high hp, their wish often heals far more than 50% to whoever gets it
The only place we've got left to explore, is nowhere. How many times can we do no damage in a single turn. Type immunities + Protect + hazard immunity + watching you suffer more.
Thanks for the video by the way! Fun fact: in later gens, if a Pokémon that has no status at 100% health is unaffected by Healing Wish, and it will instead target the next Pokémon not at 100% or statused that enters that slot. Don't think it would have helped here, I just think it's cool
The highest base HP Pokemon that learns both Wish and Ally Switch required for the Wish Smeargle slot (outside of natdex) is Farigiraf at a solid 120 base HP, that'd let you up the final 157 HP Wish heal to 222 and the final result to 2359. It also gets Skill Swap to make itself useful during setup and get its own Hospitality.
Theoretically it does have to be landing an attacking move, cuz otherwise the least damage would be doing nothing, so healing isn’t really negative damage
wish has always worked like that, yeah. that’s what makes Blissey such a good user of it, you can pass a wish to a pokémon with way lower HP to then get healed by half of *BLISSEY’S* hp, usually to full.
Not only can you not have two Eject Button activations in one move, but an Eject Button will also cancel the self-switch behaviour of U-turn and Volt Switch; I guess the cartridge is only able to process one switch per move.
thats really odd because you can have 2 pokemon use switching moves in the same turn so i guess using an eject item just hard locks switching pokemon for the rest of the turn? does it work with roar/whirlwind too?
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Woudlnt the EoT efects do something since eish doesnt full heal?
Not optimal. Stomp? False swipe and endeavor work to take blissy to 1 hp
You forgot to give the blissey a little kiss at the end of the turn order which would heal it an additional point.
Just wait until this guy figures out that the ability mega launcher boosts heal pulse from 50% to 75% health
was yelling this at my screen the whole video
Don’t think you have the Moves/time required. It’s better than Wish healing but you have to slot it in somehow
Me screaming at the screen "that's not how wish works!!" the whole time was a very immerisve experience
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To have non-priority Ally Switch, you can call it with Metronome. Have fun!
Wonder if you could somehow manipulate RNG in one of the more recent games to guarantee the result you want. Sounds like something fun, for someone else to figure out
can't you use it with copycat or something
This may be the most evil comment I've ever seen anyone post ever hahahahahahaha
@usernametaken017 You could, but I think the issue there is how tight it already was to get the order of move execution to enable over 300%. Trying to make it so that someone uses copycat directly after anyone used Ally Switch may mean the damaging move (on the turn for attack) wouldn't be able to trigger? (I'm not 100% on any of this though haha)
That problem potentially fixable with Future Sight?? But I don't know for sure and it probably wouldn't take to 2hp again either hahah
18:55 The Wish mechanics changed in Gen 5 so you're about... 15 years late lol
He can play showdown gen 5
that google search I just did made me feel like fossil
wish was changed to work that way in gen 5, and I'm sorry to say, but throughout the entire video I was like "why is he using wish smeargle, it has like no hp"
You'd need Smeargle for all these moves anyways, but yeah unofrtunately small wish
I wonder if there's a pokemon with wish and ally switch that has more HP. Since there was a teamslot still open
Before watching, my first thought was a Vaporeon that had been passed Ingrain + Aqua Ring, using Wish + Baton Pass to bring a pre-poisoned Gliscor that'd been tricked Leftovers in on a False Swipe.
Vaporeon's base 130 HP stat Wish would heal Gliscor a ton, and the passive recovery of Poison Heal, Ingrain, Aqua Ring, and Leftovers would easily get it from 1 HP to full.
Double Healing Wish Ally Switch Eject Pack cycling strategery was not on my bingo card lmao
Now what’s the least amount of healing In one turn
Life leech used by Shedinja
@@Play-Ghost-Trick no that heals 0
Leftovers from a level 1 Aron or something
Of all the Pokémon that learn the move Wish, Pichu has the smallest base HP stat. With 0 IVs or EVs in HP, Pichu has an HP stat of 11, which (depending on whether the game rounds healing up or down) would heal the Pokémon in that slot by only 5 or 6 HP. Alternatively, you could deal 1 HP of damage to a Pokémon holding a leftovers, but I think the Pichu strat is more fun.
Level 1 tackle from shuckle vs level 100 max defense aggron shell bell (1)
I like how his character is overall really good, but the mouth is just a void blob.
That's because he uses Joel Haver's method of animating over a recording. It really doesn't work well with movement, so you get the black void.
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@@guymcperson9300it's called rotoscoping
4:26 for those who want to know the difference lunar dance also restores the next pokemon's power points to full as well as health while healing wish only restores health (both cure status though) to full
So you can miss 8 more fire blasts.
I believe another difference is that Dancer pokemon will imitate Lunar Dance but not Healing Wish.
@@ChristmasPterodactyl Was mainly talking about what the move itself does not how it interacts with abilities of another pokemon though that is an interesting fact.
I now know how to get rid of my opponent's Oricorio
If I keep spamming it I'll hit it eventually
This is the amount one pokemon can be healed by in one turn, not the amount one pokemon can heal in one turn. Back to the showdown dungeon with you. How much healing can one pokemon be responsible for in one turn
it'd have to be something like grassy surge healing wish sitrus berry and some other gimmicks
@@jazzheckerdynamax to increase the max hp
Well first you need to get sinistcha into a triple battle
I think that goes back to the blissey at 1 HP using rest
I think instruct + floral healing in grassy terrain and leftovers beats all the suggestions thus far. 75% per instruct and you can probably manage 2 instructs in a turn, coming out to 230%-ish. You can use follow me to redirect the healing target since floral healing is +3 priority
Everything else was arcane bullshit, but man Wish using the users' HP is like a core part of why it's so good; most of the pokemon notorious for using it have stellar HP stats and can fully heal your sweeper if they get stuffed
To be fair, that's not always the case. In gen 3/4 (I believe) it only heals 50% of the recipients health.
2:15 it applies to earthquake, that's like 70% of ground type moves basically (the other 30% is earth power)
In vgc headlong rush and stomping tantrum are pretty common as well
@@KanderUdonI feel like high horsepower is also really common but actually it's just rillaboom that's common
This generation Tera blast ground is also on the map for supplying ground type damage.
headlong rush has also been common in smogon singles for all of gen 9. offensive Great Tusk sets use it, as well as a couple other mons like Ursaluna and i forget who else. still correct about EQ being like 70% of ground moves though lol
@@videogamahagainin vgc basically all calyrex-ices used high horsepower
You always say it's a interesting question but then it's just a bunch of stuff in pokemon
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I have a cursed suggestion. Psychic Noise would stop all healing for the Blissey for two turns, including passive methods, which might allow you to set up Leech Seed, Aqua Ring, and Ingrain for the end of the important turn, but stay at 1 hp at the beginning of the important turn.
U missed a few things like mega launcher clawitzer healing the mon for 75% and synthesis in sun healing 75%
And shore up in sand
Those are 75 percents while the heals from lunar dance/healing wish are 100% and the wishes can actually heal more than 50% of the *target's* HP if the circumstances are right (something he didn't exploit in the video however)
"Am I the only one who didn't know this?"
Yes. one of the Huge upsides of wish is that its one of the few moves that can heal a pokemon for more than half its HP with no downsides. It's also why wish Chansey was so powerful when it existed.
Edit: realize my lack of tone sounds a bit harsh. I just meant that yeah, it's pretty common knowledge if you're familiar with competitive, and it's really what makes the move unique
It’s funny that when he said, am I the only one that didn’t know this I was thinking yeah probably because I don’t really know all that much I see and somehow I don’t do that about wish blissey
However, there was a change to wish in gen V. gen IV wish always healed the recipient by 50% of it's own max hp. So, no he isn't losing his mind he just never played around with wish after the change.
If I remember right, Ally Switch spam was a serious problem in VGC the previous generation which led to Protect-style restrictions on it due to it functioning along a similar axis in terms of preventing attacks.
3 improvments that can be made
1. use assist to get around ally switch priority, this will clear up both blisseys item slot for the end of turn to allow for leftovers and an extra move
2. end of turn effects have priority, you can get around the healing from ingrain/aquaring/leftovers boosting blisseys hp above 1 the turn prior by having blissey be under the effect of toxic
3. you can increase the amount healed from wish by using a pokemon with a higher base hp, Wigglytuff is best since it has the highest hp stat
thinking about the first point further you can have blissey use metronome into ally switch instead to free up the partner pokemons attack, this would allow the partner to also attack blissey down to 2 hp allowing for a third healing wish/lunar dance (1 on the first tile and 2 stacked onto the second)
Note: Blissey _can_ know Wish through a Gen 3 event Chansey, but since games from Gen 8 onwards reset your movesets on transfer, you can't use Wish on Blissey in the latest gen.
Are you sure about that? I remember that there was an NPC that would make your Pokémon "VGC usable" by wiping its moveset but that doesn't apply here.
@@urkerab That's in SwSh, yes. My bad for not including that.
Wild to me that an event Chansey in Gen 3 had such a lasting impact on competitive singles for so many generations.
5:44 ZEKROM KICK HAD BREACHED CONTAINMENT
Good heavens
holy sunday
@@aiezarnew move name just dropped
If you give Blissey Strength Sap, you can make work with that. Have like 3 mons use Instruct on mons with high Attack boost and stats. Strength Sap: heals based off of target’s attack stat, so as long as that’s above 714 Atk you can keep healing.
If you can somehow do Healing Wish, Lunar Dance, and then Strength Sap like 3 times that’s like 500% HP. BTW idk if this is possible or how it would work but it’s an idea!
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the bigger problem becomes getting blissey down to 1 hp between heals
@@magica3526 If used Hackmons that part isn’t even an issue, Blissey has the lowest defense in the game. Use Mega Mewtwo X or Kartana. There’s a lot of things that could work, if we want to use Pure Hackmons, Mega Mewtwo X or Eternetus Gmax with Pure Power and False Swipe, guaranteeing 1 HP and 714 HP.
@@stealthgamer4620 if they're using instruct, they're not using attacking moves
@@magica3526 I’m not good at this but we could get 400% I think, if we do Healing Wish > Lunar Dance > False Swipe #1 > Strength Sap > False Swipe #2 > Instruct.
This gets you to 2852 points I think. Idk the heck I’m talking about atp.
@@stealthgamer4620 the only way I can think of giving it strength sap is through mimic
11:41 See I've never actually played a Pokemon game, but I like hearing you talk about niche mechanics and also that you're Irish, and the more detail is interesting
Fun fact! I once lost a nuzlocke because I didn't realize that thing about two eject buttons. I had a very specific strategy that relied on getting to switch both pokemon out. All of that went out the window. I feel your pain.
Even if its a stressful and exhausting job, you're doing great at it.
And yes the thing at 17:16 made sense.
I was really hoping the clawitzer healing pulse tech would be used :(
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I’m in the middle of watching so this may be unneeded, but the ability Rain dish also heals 1/16 a turn in rain
i was thinking this too, or putting an ability like water absorb and hitting with a very strong water move could prove fruitful
If you're swapping an ability onto the healing recipient, poison heal would be better
since blissey needs to switch in at the start of the turn theres no way to give it a different ability because all of the other pokemon on the field are using moves that arent skill swap already
@@wroometh9208water absorb only heals by a fixed amount
6:39 ally switch used to be pretty common move sense it essentially allows your pokemon to tank a resistant hit and fire back while not having to use protect. It is a bit prediction reliant sense obviously the opponent could easily use a different attack then what you were expecting or even outright call the ally switch but still opens up many mind games.
The reason it is useful is unlike protect you can spam ally switch as many consecutive turns as you want or even not use it and have the opponent attack expecting ally switch.
It's most feared user is Shedinja but anything that learns it is fair game.
they actually nerfed it this gen to have protect's decreasing success rate
@@lucasgreer1736 In that case why bother using it over protect.
Why play mind games that could potentially go in your opponents favor when you can just take one free turn?
@@petelee2477 that's why it hasn't been used much this gen
Re: Wish, I noticed you said 50% originally and just assumed you were simplifying. Then got to the end and realized you didn't know this. It's one of the reasons only specific mons were/are used as clerics in competitive. In addition to knowing wish and either aroma therapy/heal bell, they'll usually be something with a huge HP stat like Blissey, alomomola, or vaporeon as they will pass more health to whatever you switch into than any other mon, so especially if you pass to a low hp mon you can easily heal them to full
Also, not to cause you more headaches, but does regenerator interact meaningully with your ejecting loops? Would having a regenerator blissey be looped increase the total healing?
To be fair, if he is just a mostly older gen player then his confusion makes sense. Wish was changed in Gen 5.
It may not actually improve the setup but the fact that the move rest isnt even mentioned in this video is kinda crazy to me
Did they forget rest also heals you to full?
6:35 WeedleTwinneedle. They've used Healing Wishes mechanics effectively in their competitive battle videos for years now
Rest also heals you to 100%
the real most healing is the mechanics we made along the way
Kinda weird that rest didn't get a mention, was waiting for it to pop up
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The only other thing that I can think of that might help is that mega launcher boosts Heal Pulse from 50% to 75% but I don't know how to work that in, still good video!
14:17 Only thing I can think of is a spread move that hits everyone ie earthquake so whoever's faster gets to switch out when mons on both sides of the field have eject buttons, but I can't imagine it ever coming up
Heal pulse can be given a 1.5 x boost by claunchers ability. Making it a 75% heal.
17:14 in the actual run we found out this theory doesn't line up, so the percentages here are wrong? Meaning end of turn moves would make it higher?
7:20 you couldn't be more wrong about this lmao
yeah, dusclops ally switch is one of the most annoying things ever created in gen 8
imagine watching that turn play on pokemon diamond
Ally switch was nerfed since it was so anoying with shedinsha in restricted double formats.
I feel like there is a viable solution in rest < chesto berry < instruct < rest in order to get 2 100% heals instead of with a super convoluted healing wish set up. Actually, if you stacked both lunar dance and healing wish on the spot and did the eject pack looping after the double rest netting an easy 400% recovery. Set a wish on with blissey on the previous turn with copycat to get an extra 50% you can get put up to 450% + any end of turn effects set such as grassy terrain. Not sure how to precisely set it up tho and I'm not a youtuber with a massive following where I could earn money off a video dedicated to figuring it out.
I find it funny that he didn't know how Wish worked but he LITERALLY showed the page for Wish at 3:14 that clearly states what it does. Simply reading the page would have saved him quite a bit of trouble lol
Love the vids! Possible ideas for getting a bit more healing:
1. Could a higher HP wisher take the spot of the Smeargle? Farigiraf is the highest HP mon that learns Ally Switch in gen 9, and conveniently also learns Wish and Skill Swap
2. I think using a Grassy Surge mon instead of the Magikarp would still be helpful since it would only heal after the Healing Wish and Lunar dance activated
Edit: Wondering if it would be possible to just use the highest HP wisher in Gen 9, Alomomola. You'd need to have it Eject Pack out right after the Wish into an Ally Switcher that gets Hospitality Skill Swapped onto it that turn, but I think that works?
Came to say the same about grassy surge
3:19, minor mistake here, as shown in the video, it doesnt heal 50% of the hp of the pokemon, it heals 50% of the hp of the pokemon using wish, thats why blissey only healed 20%, because blissey has an enormous hp stat whilst smeargle's isnt too great. explaining for those who don't know.
next vid: what is the most moves in one turn in pokemon
edit: me after commenting something before watching the rest of the video, explaining this for people who read comments before finishing the rest of the vid (me and only me)
Tripp from Facade has a mental breakdown over pokemon mechanics
Ohhhhhh I can't un hear it now 😂😂😂
you can increse the amount of healing wish does by replacing jirachi with a wigglytuff since it has a higher hp stat
I love seeing your process! The pain I felt at you not realizing ally switch was priority was palpable.
Mega launcher clawtizer
Ok so at 17:16 I think you could technically use a floating Pokémon (maybe with telekinesis or something) with the move Gravity to maybe get grassy terrain healing, but that would be stupid and probably mess everything up but it is technically some way to overcome that dilemma in theory if not in practice
it's incredible that you misunderstood wish this way (and apparently everyone else knew exactly how it worked) because my personal experience with wish was running it on umbreon in Gen 6 Showdown, where it always had a ton of HP compared to its team members, so I always thought until now that wish healed you up to full because I literally never ran into (or maybe just didn't notice) a situation where it didn't do this.
"Healing wish is.. the only way to heal a pokemon to 100% from 1 hp"
Rest: am I a joke to you?
7:20 The game devs are like "fuck this person in particular."
If the Blissey side Smeargle has a moveset of Role Play, Ally Switch, Wish, and Metal Sound, you could get 65 more HP out of it by using a Farigiraf (Base 120 HP, +222 HP Wish) with Ally Switch, Wish, and Skill Swap if you can find another way to reduce Blissey's special defense. If pre-gen 9 transfer moves are on the table, Wigglytuff (Base 140 HP, +242 HP Wish) can have Role Play, Ally Switch, Wish, and Fake Tears for an 85 HP boost over Smeargle's Wish.
I love those sorting videos. I originally put them on as background but ended up being too mesmerized. I can actually pay attention to them, unlike almost anything else. (Ig besides other math and CS...)
these videos really heal something in me that i've been missing about Unraveleds. absolutely obsessed, thank you
Great humour, funny and informative video and the editing is also really great. Also respect for the dedication!
Hate to be that guy, but since wish didn't heal you full, Grassy Terrain would have healed Blissey.
it would heal for the same amount it would heal before
blissey starts the turn at 1HP to maximize the healing from the first healing wish, had grassy terrain be there and for example heal for 100 HP
it would heal for 100P the blissey thus reducing the healing wish heal by 100, then heal 100 at the end, making it completely pointless
@@nexpersonal5066 You're right, he even said that, I'm dumb.
Could you pls pls tell me the music around 1:30 ?
Its a menu from pokken tournament
I love finding new up and coming channels which go into some heavy academic topics to tackle goofy questions in a children's game
Also 17:17 was just words for me. I'm just here for the vibes
I was expecting endeavor to reduce hp without blissed losing Def or spec Def
What if instead of a Magikarp you use a Grookey to set up grassy terrain 🤓☝️
LOLOL it's VERY known to competitive players vgc smogon or otherwise, that wish heal is based on hp of the user, from wish chansey (event chansey from gen 3 DID learn wish, so funny that going through the mimic thing was used idk if you can still transfer it this far up, it was also just one event forever ago so it's legality is questionable) or other pokemon like alolomomola or audino, are known as wish-passers, since due to their high hp, their wish often heals far more than 50% to whoever gets it
That technicality with Wish is funny because I noticed it in one of the clips at the start.
Yeah man, the process is half the content in this case. Very happy to see more of the process and madness, lol.
The only place we've got left to explore, is nowhere. How many times can we do no damage in a single turn. Type immunities + Protect + hazard immunity + watching you suffer more.
I'd swear 11:16 adds up to 438, not 338...
By far one of my favourite channels, it proves silly questions and thas awesome
Super enjoyable video, very much enjoy the deep dive into the details.
Suddenly end of turn healing items become necessary again.
Hearing how all the various ways to double swap don't actually work, makes me think it's an engine limitation, not a balance problem.
Hey man just wanted to say thanks for the videos, you put in lots of effort and I’m sure and hope your channel grows more!
14:05 iron ball or whatever lowers priority at first and then eject
So obviously we are doing what’s the most amount of damage in one turn now surely
Dude the earthquake thing just got me recently too!!! I had no idea!!! Interesting terrain tech confirmed???
HE'S BACK, LET'S GO GAMBLING!
Thanks for the video by the way!
Fun fact: in later gens, if a Pokémon that has no status at 100% health is unaffected by Healing Wish, and it will instead target the next Pokémon not at 100% or statused that enters that slot. Don't think it would have helped here, I just think it's cool
Lmfao watching your descent into madness. Was hilarious. Thank you for these amazing videos. 😅
The highest base HP Pokemon that learns both Wish and Ally Switch required for the Wish Smeargle slot (outside of natdex) is Farigiraf at a solid 120 base HP, that'd let you up the final 157 HP Wish heal to 222 and the final result to 2359. It also gets Skill Swap to make itself useful during setup and get its own Hospitality.
This is what I imagine competitive Contest YT would be like
i would not have the patience to do this, its honestly kinda impressive that you put up with this much work
this thumbnail was very good, the title alone wouldn’t have got me. this was indeed an interesting video !!
If youre wondering most healing thru an entire battle, its regenerator+stealth rock and just keep swapping
Theoretically it does have to be landing an attacking move, cuz otherwise the least damage would be doing nothing, so healing isn’t really negative damage
Honestly i do actually really like this more in depth explanation of the process
wish has always worked like that, yeah. that’s what makes Blissey such a good user of it, you can pass a wish to a pokémon with way lower HP to then get healed by half of *BLISSEY’S* hp, usually to full.
Rest.
17:42 they round down in their calcs all the time, so certain numbers are harder to hit
Now, what’s the most damage you can do in a single attack?
Insert Obligated least amount of HP can be healed comment
I am here for most healing, not least damage! Woo!
I've learned to trust thumbnails that promise they have interesting info
the quicksort animation was a jumpscare
Not only can you not have two Eject Button activations in one move, but an Eject Button will also cancel the self-switch behaviour of U-turn and Volt Switch; I guess the cartridge is only able to process one switch per move.
thats really odd because you can have 2 pokemon use switching moves in the same turn so i guess using an eject item just hard locks switching pokemon for the rest of the turn? does it work with roar/whirlwind too?
Editing is far and above a lot of similar videos I see, great job!